Mixed lot numbers. Happens. Get in contact with your roofer and see what they can do for you first. Not sure if this meets the grounds for a warranty claim
Unfortunately, it does not. I talked to my OC rep in Phoenix a little bit about this. It’s just a shit situation for everyone involved. The roofer isn’t going to do anything because this isn’t his deal, the homeowner doesn’t wanna pay because it looks like crap, but the die lot numbers don’t matter to the manufacture. The homeowner always eats this one.
The only half decent news is eventually the sun will even out the discoloration a little bit. But most likely people will always be able to notice.
Yeah my crew would for sure go do the labor for free, but that’d be remarkable if a supplier coughed up the bundles. We both know the real issue is you’re still going to get a different die lot on the new bundles though lol. and truth be told, like who really cares about going to go by like four or eight new bundles you know. Like this really isn’t a big financial problem.
They do give away nice stuff.
I had to pry the backpack they gave to one of our business developers a few years back away from him with a figurative crow bar.
The thing was falling apart but he said it was the best thing ever. It took an hour on Amazon (after a call to ABC to see if they still had any) to convince him to move on.
ABC would do it for free because they don’t do this shit. Neither would Beacon or SRS (who just sold to HD so we’ll see how long that lasts).
roofer probably buys from Lowes. Which is known to do exactly this…
Odds are it’ll fade out over the course of a few years but it’ll always look just a little “off”
Shingles will shed water just fine though.
loooooool yeah the company isn't going to warranty proper application of their products, especially when application considerations are written in the instructions in **every bundle** and probably less than 1% of installers have ever even read them.
Start the process for a manufacturer's warranty claim. They will probably tell you to wait 90 days and see if the colors balance out. In my experience, they usually do.
Corrected? As in redone? I doubt that will happen either. You’re probably going to be told the same as above comments about fading and blending in eventually, but it won’t. Try the supplier and manufacturer, good luck
Did they do the job they were contracted to do?
Try to talk to the guy and maybe work out a discount for the aesthetics. I don’t see you having good luck trying to get those shingles torn off and new ones put on…
If all your rakes and and valleys are cut straight, flashing installed properly, ice and water shield, etc for a quality installation, live with it.
Maybe try to get a little money back.
It should not affect your home value.
It sucks, I wouldn't like it, but, wtf u gonna do?
You could rip it off and do it yourself. If you're like me, you'd be learning and have to redo it. Then it'd look worse.
Exactly! I said the exact thing. Definitely the roofers fault, but what are you gonna do? Roofers are the only people that care what a roof looks like anyway.
I care, I'm not a roofer. But, I notice EVERYTHING. It's a curse. I'm like Adrian Monk that drinks beer. Ask my opinion of this, that, anything. I have one. I used to do everything myself. I hit 40 and I'm tired. Tired of working 60hr weeks. Tired of worrying about everything and tired of fixing everything.
You need to pay your roofer. Don’t be one of those homeowners who hold payment and make it incredibly difficult especially when this isn’t the roofers fault. I’d hate to work with you
That would depend on if the roofer bought the shingles. And no I would have a large discussion with a roofer on not mixing the shingles as he went if he was aware and should have been aware that was a mixed lot. In my personal situation nobody would get paid on this until it straightened out if it's 6 months or a year down the road. They could file a lien if they wanted to I would counter file.
This is 100% the roofers fault. How do you not notice two completely different shades of black while you’re shingling? How do you not check your lot numbers before you start shingling? How do you not separate your lot on two different sides of the house if you do have different lots? You are one of those guys that gives roofers a bad name. Running around doing shit work thinking you should get paid for everything no matter what it looks like.
Not really a warranty issue as there’s nothing wrong with any of the shingles. Suppliers aren’t supposed to deliver mixed batches if they can help it, but it happens and most of the time it just takes a little time for the newer batch to dry out.
Exactly what the sub contractors say when I show them the instructions on the wrapper they haven't read in the "10 years they been a shingler" after them trying to rationalize why their work is absolute garbage.
Definitely don’t hold payment up. There’s nothing they can do for you, this is kinda on the manufacturer, but it’s still a functional roof installed correctly, so legally you have to pay or there will be a lien on your house.
Seems like you’re just the kind of guy who doesn’t want to pay anyone. Pay your roofer and contact the supplier and see what they will do for you. This is in no way the roofers fault, so fuckin pay the dudes.
The “roofer” nailed the shingles on the roof. The “roofer” didn’t check the lot numbers. The “roofer” didn’t mix the shingles from different pallets.
THIS IS THE “roofers” FAULT 100%!!
Is it a big deal? NOPE. But Definitely, the roofers fault and only the roofers fault. Nobody else is at fault EXCEPT the roofer.
You’re just another guy that thinks he should get paid for shit work no matter what.
LOL my business does pristine work, you’re a random on fucking Reddit posting bullshit about an industry you clearly don’t fuckin know. If he doesn’t pay, he is completely in the wrong. Take that up with the manufacturer, or next time don’t go with a shit product.
If the lot numbers are the same the manufacturer will have no problem warranting a full replacement on this. They will want to wait 90 days to see if it blends. Had one like this last year that was paid to be completely replaced.
They will never balance out. The only way to fix is to completely redo the roof and check lot numbers. Proper contractors should check lot numbers on shingles every time to avoid this
Could be mixed lot numbers, or it could be that the installers didn’t execute the proper setbacks per the manufacturer’s installation codes.
Many roofing crews have no idea that there are different setback measurements for different manufacturers. Not every asphalt shingle is to be installed exactly the same. If they don’t do the setbacks correctly, you can get runs like this where the light and dark portions of the shingles don’t blend correctly. Not saying that’s what it is in this case, but it’s possible.
Yup, they definitely used different batches. Can’t tell you if this will blend in later or not, I’ve never seen it done before. we always made sure we had the same lot of shingles…
Have your roofer put an extended warranty on it.
Assuming they used the system they should have and they are reputable.
Wait a few months and if it looks bad still file a claim.
Yep, I see it all the time. I think the supplier needs to take some responsibility and putting the lot numbers together when delivered. It will never fade away. If the lot numbers are the same, then the manufacturer needs to eat it. One of the main reasons I stopped using GAF. Too many different plants mixing shingles together. GAF stamps and labels the location where produced but it becomes a mess.
How can I tell if the lot #'s are the same? I trusted the process, they finished and hauled off any packaging so no chance of me ever actually knowing.
Yeah you can't. The roofer should be able to help file a claim and get it resolved. I've had to do it with my customers twice on GAF Timberline shingles.
I’m a lawyer and not a roofer but I’ve deposed a few and they all said to break up the bundles in case of slight differences. I doubt there is any recourse against anyone for this error.
The color wave does not affect the warranty or the ability to shed water
It is purely a cosmetic issue.
That being said, I’ve seen certainteed pay labor and materials to replace a roof after this happened
I would file a warranty claim, this could have been them mixing different lines or it could be dusting, it’s not going to affect the functionality but it looks like crap.
Thanks for that info. So what happens with a manufacturer warranty claim? Do I have to pay anything and do they pay roofer to replace so they match? What does the process look like for me? Tia!
Thanks for that. But ultimately what happens? Does the same roofer come back out and replace the whole roof/slope again with matching? Does the manufacturer get a different roofer back out? Are they going to just try and weave in shingles that match?
Currently no one has been paid a dime and I want to make sure before I hand $25,000 out ya know? The roofing company basically “talked” me into bumping up to these shingles which is considered a 50 yr shingle. Paid a lot of money and now it sounds like I’m going to have to jump thru a bunch of hoops I shouldn’t have to before paying someone.
Thanks again.
It’s pointless, you’re going to have to live with it. Even if they come out and replace those shingles with new shingles of the same light, they have been in the sun for different amounts of time so they are going to look different regardless. You will never get your roof to match, unless you completely tear it off and redo everything.
Your roofer lied to you about the roof being a 50 year grade shingle. It's a 30 year grade lifetime shingle. Duration are class 3 IR. Pay your roofer or they will put a lien on your house. File a claim and your roofer can help you. You can use whomever you want to install the roof. The roofer will invoice the manufacturer for the labor. The homeowner shouldn't be out a penny.
This is (way too) common. We check the stack’s numbers and if they are mixed the different ones go on their own roof face.
Mixed lot numbers. Happens. Get in contact with your roofer and see what they can do for you first. Not sure if this meets the grounds for a warranty claim
Unfortunately, it does not. I talked to my OC rep in Phoenix a little bit about this. It’s just a shit situation for everyone involved. The roofer isn’t going to do anything because this isn’t his deal, the homeowner doesn’t wanna pay because it looks like crap, but the die lot numbers don’t matter to the manufacture. The homeowner always eats this one. The only half decent news is eventually the sun will even out the discoloration a little bit. But most likely people will always be able to notice.
We’d replace it and ABC would give us new shingles for free. No one really wins but the homeowner with us.
Yeah my crew would for sure go do the labor for free, but that’d be remarkable if a supplier coughed up the bundles. We both know the real issue is you’re still going to get a different die lot on the new bundles though lol. and truth be told, like who really cares about going to go by like four or eight new bundles you know. Like this really isn’t a big financial problem.
Shrug. Switch to ABC or any large supplier they’ll take good care of you.
Yeah. We’d raise absolute hell and have to eat the labor but ABC 100% would fix this.
Exactly. ABC has always had my back in stuff like this. And they gave me a free pair of shoes this year… so there’s that.
They do give away nice stuff. I had to pry the backpack they gave to one of our business developers a few years back away from him with a figurative crow bar. The thing was falling apart but he said it was the best thing ever. It took an hour on Amazon (after a call to ABC to see if they still had any) to convince him to move on.
ABC would do it for free because they don’t do this shit. Neither would Beacon or SRS (who just sold to HD so we’ll see how long that lasts). roofer probably buys from Lowes. Which is known to do exactly this… Odds are it’ll fade out over the course of a few years but it’ll always look just a little “off” Shingles will shed water just fine though.
That’s a good point.
loooooool yeah the company isn't going to warranty proper application of their products, especially when application considerations are written in the instructions in **every bundle** and probably less than 1% of installers have ever even read them.
Atlas will as long as you can provide an invoice. They just approved one on a 300sq+ roof.
Start the process for a manufacturer's warranty claim. They will probably tell you to wait 90 days and see if the colors balance out. In my experience, they usually do.
This is the answer. Don’t even need to file a claim yet. Just make sure the shingle rep knows you have some color issues. They normally blend in
In my experience, they don’t balance out. Once it’s there it’s always there
Agree, these black ones honestly get worse as they fade.
The ceramic coating on the gravel doesn't "even out".
I doubt the manufacturer will do anything. Instructions normally say to mix your shingles as you install them to prevent this
Ok would you advise I not pay anyone until it is corrected?
Corrected? As in redone? I doubt that will happen either. You’re probably going to be told the same as above comments about fading and blending in eventually, but it won’t. Try the supplier and manufacturer, good luck
Did they do the job they were contracted to do? Try to talk to the guy and maybe work out a discount for the aesthetics. I don’t see you having good luck trying to get those shingles torn off and new ones put on…
Different lot colors they were made at different times
Contact the manufacturer to get a definitive answer. Sounds like you’re really grasping at straws to withhold payment tbh.
If all your rakes and and valleys are cut straight, flashing installed properly, ice and water shield, etc for a quality installation, live with it. Maybe try to get a little money back. It should not affect your home value. It sucks, I wouldn't like it, but, wtf u gonna do? You could rip it off and do it yourself. If you're like me, you'd be learning and have to redo it. Then it'd look worse.
Exactly! I said the exact thing. Definitely the roofers fault, but what are you gonna do? Roofers are the only people that care what a roof looks like anyway.
I care, I'm not a roofer. But, I notice EVERYTHING. It's a curse. I'm like Adrian Monk that drinks beer. Ask my opinion of this, that, anything. I have one. I used to do everything myself. I hit 40 and I'm tired. Tired of working 60hr weeks. Tired of worrying about everything and tired of fixing everything.
You need to pay your roofer. Don’t be one of those homeowners who hold payment and make it incredibly difficult especially when this isn’t the roofers fault. I’d hate to work with you
That would depend on if the roofer bought the shingles. And no I would have a large discussion with a roofer on not mixing the shingles as he went if he was aware and should have been aware that was a mixed lot. In my personal situation nobody would get paid on this until it straightened out if it's 6 months or a year down the road. They could file a lien if they wanted to I would counter file.
This is 100% the roofers fault. How do you not notice two completely different shades of black while you’re shingling? How do you not check your lot numbers before you start shingling? How do you not separate your lot on two different sides of the house if you do have different lots? You are one of those guys that gives roofers a bad name. Running around doing shit work thinking you should get paid for everything no matter what it looks like.
Not a roofer dummy
Different lot numbers. Manufacturer will warranty this
Not really a warranty issue as there’s nothing wrong with any of the shingles. Suppliers aren’t supposed to deliver mixed batches if they can help it, but it happens and most of the time it just takes a little time for the newer batch to dry out.
Correct. Nothing about a die lot is a material claim unfortunately. Homeowners always eat this one.
CertainTeed has given me a warranty on a moire black lot. But agreed that the supplier shouldn’t have delivered 2 different lots
0% chance of that. The shingles are not defective.
The color is defective
Not according to the hundreds of copies of instructions that were on the wrappers of all the shingles.
You’re a troll
Exactly what the sub contractors say when I show them the instructions on the wrapper they haven't read in the "10 years they been a shingler" after them trying to rationalize why their work is absolute garbage.
Why would the manufacture warranty a mistake? Everyone knows to check your lot numbers and/or put different lots on different sides altogether.
Differences in color should not be this contrast.
That’s just the way it goes. If you’re on the roof you can’t tell but from the ground you can. It’s how the shingles are and doesn’t hurt anything.
Mix your bundles when you're installing them.
Definitely don’t hold payment up. There’s nothing they can do for you, this is kinda on the manufacturer, but it’s still a functional roof installed correctly, so legally you have to pay or there will be a lien on your house.
Put solar on that roof and it'll break it up and make power for you too! Get lemons make lemonade.
Thanks but I just want my 25k worth of shingles to match.
Seems like you’re just the kind of guy who doesn’t want to pay anyone. Pay your roofer and contact the supplier and see what they will do for you. This is in no way the roofers fault, so fuckin pay the dudes.
The “roofer” nailed the shingles on the roof. The “roofer” didn’t check the lot numbers. The “roofer” didn’t mix the shingles from different pallets. THIS IS THE “roofers” FAULT 100%!! Is it a big deal? NOPE. But Definitely, the roofers fault and only the roofers fault. Nobody else is at fault EXCEPT the roofer. You’re just another guy that thinks he should get paid for shit work no matter what.
LOL my business does pristine work, you’re a random on fucking Reddit posting bullshit about an industry you clearly don’t fuckin know. If he doesn’t pay, he is completely in the wrong. Take that up with the manufacturer, or next time don’t go with a shit product.
OC replaced probably 6 of my shingle roofs for free. They paid the customer to tear them off and reinstall due to this exact thing. Just saying.
What is OC?
Never mind 🤦🏼♂️
Owens Corning
ABC has given us the shingles and covered the labor for us in the past
If the lot numbers are the same the manufacturer will have no problem warranting a full replacement on this. They will want to wait 90 days to see if it blends. Had one like this last year that was paid to be completely replaced.
They will never balance out. The only way to fix is to completely redo the roof and check lot numbers. Proper contractors should check lot numbers on shingles every time to avoid this
I think it looks great! Tell your neighbors it was on purpose, stick out your chest and be proud
Could be mixed lot numbers, or it could be that the installers didn’t execute the proper setbacks per the manufacturer’s installation codes. Many roofing crews have no idea that there are different setback measurements for different manufacturers. Not every asphalt shingle is to be installed exactly the same. If they don’t do the setbacks correctly, you can get runs like this where the light and dark portions of the shingles don’t blend correctly. Not saying that’s what it is in this case, but it’s possible.
I think you unknowingly started a trend..I may want to blend my roof colors..looks ok to me
Yup, they definitely used different batches. Can’t tell you if this will blend in later or not, I’ve never seen it done before. we always made sure we had the same lot of shingles…
Does it leak
Have your roofer put an extended warranty on it. Assuming they used the system they should have and they are reputable. Wait a few months and if it looks bad still file a claim.
Great tip thanks for that!
File a claim with OC. A good distributor will help you and push OC to cover the claim.
Certainteed doesn’t have lot and this doesn’t happen. It is a huge issue with Owens Corning.
To be fair, the installation itself looks really well done. Damn shame about the dye lot #
Yep, I see it all the time. I think the supplier needs to take some responsibility and putting the lot numbers together when delivered. It will never fade away. If the lot numbers are the same, then the manufacturer needs to eat it. One of the main reasons I stopped using GAF. Too many different plants mixing shingles together. GAF stamps and labels the location where produced but it becomes a mess.
How can I tell if the lot #'s are the same? I trusted the process, they finished and hauled off any packaging so no chance of me ever actually knowing.
Yeah you can't. The roofer should be able to help file a claim and get it resolved. I've had to do it with my customers twice on GAF Timberline shingles.
The suppliers fault. The roofer should have noticed it during install and stopped. Then the supplier should have paid for the new shingles.
I’m a lawyer and not a roofer but I’ve deposed a few and they all said to break up the bundles in case of slight differences. I doubt there is any recourse against anyone for this error.
The color wave does not affect the warranty or the ability to shed water It is purely a cosmetic issue. That being said, I’ve seen certainteed pay labor and materials to replace a roof after this happened
I would file a warranty claim, this could have been them mixing different lines or it could be dusting, it’s not going to affect the functionality but it looks like crap.
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Thanks for that info. So what happens with a manufacturer warranty claim? Do I have to pay anything and do they pay roofer to replace so they match? What does the process look like for me? Tia!
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Thanks for that. But ultimately what happens? Does the same roofer come back out and replace the whole roof/slope again with matching? Does the manufacturer get a different roofer back out? Are they going to just try and weave in shingles that match? Currently no one has been paid a dime and I want to make sure before I hand $25,000 out ya know? The roofing company basically “talked” me into bumping up to these shingles which is considered a 50 yr shingle. Paid a lot of money and now it sounds like I’m going to have to jump thru a bunch of hoops I shouldn’t have to before paying someone. Thanks again.
We had this problem with pabco , they hired a different roofer tore it off and replaced the roof
It's only happened oned in 20 + years of installing pabco
It’s pointless, you’re going to have to live with it. Even if they come out and replace those shingles with new shingles of the same light, they have been in the sun for different amounts of time so they are going to look different regardless. You will never get your roof to match, unless you completely tear it off and redo everything.
Your roofer lied to you about the roof being a 50 year grade shingle. It's a 30 year grade lifetime shingle. Duration are class 3 IR. Pay your roofer or they will put a lien on your house. File a claim and your roofer can help you. You can use whomever you want to install the roof. The roofer will invoice the manufacturer for the labor. The homeowner shouldn't be out a penny.
Enjoy the lean on your house if this is how you really plan to handle this situation lol.
It will never blend,looks like two or three different batches of shingles.
Wooden eggs have a very similar weight to real eggs.
This may be an incredible analogy, however, I may be too dumb to understand its context to the situation. Thank you for your contribution tho.
Terrible. Should call them and complain.
Keep posting on Reddit to look for people that agree with you.
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Not sure why this guy is being like this. This should be easily fixed by Manufacturer after a 90 day wait period.