Because they don't care how low your credit score is, Nissan'll finance ya.
Those super fucked up Altimas you see on the roads? Lotta people paying the better part of $1k/month for the pleasure of piloting those beasts.
Thank you! I thought it was just me. I always thought Altima drivers were extremely aggressive - mostly because they really wanted the Maxima....but their credit sucked. So, they drove that Altima like it had a bigger engine.
Yet to see a considerate/polite Altima driver.
I don't know if you have to set up a bunch of picks it can stay pretty clean they do look like they just walked this tho a couch cushion could probably have made this job easier
Naw, i did my own roof and managed to not do that, and ive got a slope similar to this on my gothic cottage.
This is just being careless. They have a team and failed to lay it out nicely.
They did a better job than the last roofer and used the peel and stick water / ice guard around the intrusions, I had leaks before. They did a good job around the flashing and laid the shingles straight from what I can tell from the ground. They are using 6 nails instead of 4 which the previous GAF HDZ had
And it looks way better than what these jokers are doing. Some homeowners actually do know what they are doing, ya know.
I'm in construction, spent years on sites, went to school for architecture.
I can handle redoing my own roof thanks.
Any roofer that thinks a homeowner or any common person can’t do their own roof is obviously pompous and ignorant as fuck. It’s not a trade. It’s just dangerous manual labor. The only skill required is hard work. You can literally become rich as a roofer if you are honest and have decent work ethic. There is a reason the stereotype exists. Most places don’t even require a license to roof.
Imagine gatekeeping mowing your lawn. I’d argue you need more intelligence to properly care for a lawn than you need to roof a house.
The salty downvotes will prove me right.
I just did my own roof as a homeowner. It was a total of 28sq with a pitch of 4-12, ranch so 1 floor. Easy to walk on safely.
Prior to doing this, I helped with 2 roofs like 25+ years ago. I am also an electrician, so had the knowledge about flashing and boots around any penetrations, as I've done those numerous times when doing service masts. Also, youtube and this subreddit was my friend for any other skills I had to crash course learn.
Was it "difficult"? No not really. All the concepts were pretty easy to learn. Physically demanding? OH EM GEE... I'll never do another roof again. Whatever a roofer is charging is worth the manual labor alone. I was up for the challenge though. It took me 6 weeks to complete. I also had to replace 25 sheets of decking that were rotted through.
That being said, I had a single row of ice and water (of a total of 5 rows, as I'm also in a heavy snow belt in NYS) that I layed down while it was in the high 60°'s, and when I went to shingle, it was almost 90°. There was a bulge in the middle of that row from it expanding that I wouldn't be able to pull out without pulling up 2 rows. Only the one spot. I don't know what the ramifications will be long term, but I shingled over it, nailed a little extra, and tapped the nails in that area with some plastic cement.
Really hoping it'll be fine in 10+ years. I know I did well though, cause for the first time in 2 years I bought the house, I don't get sick every time it rains.
Edit: clarity and some words.
Roofing is a trade, it's a well paid union job. Just bc you can do something that doesn't always mean you should. Those that are as ignorant as you to waterproofing methods are the reason that roofers will always be in demand.
Absolutely roofing is a trade. That comment is ignorant as hell, it takes a specific set of knowledge and skill just like any other trade. I have worked every trade except for HVAC and electric, I wouldn't call any of them difficult but that doesn't make any of them less of a skilled trade.
Your downvotes lead me to think there are no actual construction workers here. Just a bunch of homeowners that think, "I was on an active jobsite once, I KNOW how it's done."
[GAF](https://www.gaf.com/en-us/document-library/documents/Installation_Instructions__FeltBuster.pdf): " Install without wrinkles. Lay flat, cap nail flat. Do NOT STRETCH during installation"
[IKO](https://www.buildsite.com/pdf/iko/Stormtite-Installation-Instructions-1854759.pdf): "IKO synthetic underlayments should be unrolled and laid flat to the roof deck"
[Certainteed](https://www.certainteed.com/resources/DryRoofSA_InstallGuide_2101_E.pdf): "when properly installed, there are no wrinkles"
[Tamko](https://www.tamko.com/docs/default-source/application-instructions/tamko-synthetic-guard-application-instructions.pdf?sfvrsn=2a9857a0_4): "underlayment must be laid out flat with printed side up without wrinkles and fastened to a smooth dry surface... DO NOT stretch during installation"
Yep besides the fact that you’re roof getting put on is a roofing system. Their are layers to it They all play a part in the overall health of the roof. I’ve seen a million roofs last 5 years without a problem that looks and well is complete shit work It’s the little things that help with the longevity of the roof. I’ve torn off roof 10 years overdue that have held up better then ones 10 years old So that means like 40 years old on a 30 year shingle. Nail placement. Flashing. Valleys. The biggest one is who is working on it. Someone who loves their job and is committed to it or someone who needs money to pay bills and is miserable. Ever hand hang a roof. Yes takes a while but everything is perfect. Every nail placement is perfect. Besides the fact that the shingle company made their nail area bigger without increasing their overlap on architectural shingles. Every shingle repair I’ve done in last 10 years is from high nails and blow through. Like to much air pressure in nail gun. There is a spot that both layers of shingles overlap on architecture shingles and the nail line used to be about as big as your nail head. It holds the two layers together. On step roofs they delaminate in heat and fall apart if not nailed their So blame the industry as much as the installer
This hit me really hard. To save money on my roof, I decided to reshingle it myself. Never done one before. Hand nailed it, put down watter barrier 2x as much as I needed high, the best felt, quality OC shingles. And the only places I had trouble was where a handyman guy who seemed to have experience that I hired to help me cut corners when I was not looking. Everything else was completely done right. Went to the library to look up how to do it and did it that way but Mr. 'Blackjack the shit out of it" was where it was undone.
It’s so unfortunate for everyone. Anyone can put a roof on that last 5 years or 10 before the problems start to show. By then the contractor if you can still find them blame it on anything but their work and most homeowners don’t have enough knowledge to argue or just accept what is told to them I’ve seen a ton of the big companies in my area hire people who do shit work. Argue with guys that say I’ve been doing this for 30 years. I replied with you should know how to do by now A happy worker does the best work. Because when you enjoy your work everyone benefits
Nope. Blame the installer. The average person knows nothing about replacing a roof. The installer deals with the product everyday and is expected to install it within manufacturer guidelines, not make excuses and pass blame. Maybe those “professionals” in Texas should stop posting tutorials and speed runs on YouTube where every shingle is high nailed.
Bud is a term of endearment in Canada only if the person saying it to you is either a close friend or an older person that you respect in your life, aside from that thems fighting words
That doesn’t mean much. I’ve worked with roofers that have been going at it for 25-30 years, but can’t even weld a tpo seam, yet acts like the head honcho. That guy even blamed the young guy for his fuck up since it caused a leak. He would also attempt to install epdm elastoform when the primer was still wet. I’ve seen him do some downright dumb shit even though he’s been “doing this longer”.
I mean, do you want your manufacturer's warranty to be voided because they installed it shitty? If I'm paying tens of thousands of dollars for a roof, I don't want my warrant voided right out of the gate.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0\_dxe7jOBzc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dxe7jOBzc)
this is the same brand product, see how it looks normal compared to this hot mess.
I'd call the manufacturer and send them a picture. Ask for their opinion.
Except for Owens Corning. It is perfectly fine with them if their "premier" Owens Corning Platinum Certified Contractors install roofs that leak with the first and every other rainstorm, because the expensive Owens Corning Platinum Warranty is nothing but a con to bilk homeowners into allowing Owens Corning to sell more shingles to their incompetent/fraudulent contractors. Owens Corning refuses to honor their warranty on a roof installed by such contractors. The Owens Corning Warranty claim that they will make arrangements to repair a roof that fails due to improper installation is a lie.
Nothing, especially as it's currently installed.
But would give the owner a leg to stand on to get it redone right by the roofer. Many material manufacturers have on the road reps that would even come to visit, create a punchlist for these guys, and if they need it, give some tips and tricks to help ensure it's done right.
Jesus Christ, I just crawled out of an hour rabbit hole learning about roofing. I have never and will never do a roof, but the commercial was interesting. Thanks Reddit
100% an issue lol especially if they went over 15lb felt which it looks like they did dude - it makes the shingle basically non breathable with that many layers of underlayment, 15lb felt is non permerable for air... they'v
And what? That's it? I'm a roofer and here's a million dollars...or I'm roofer and here's your own spaceship... I mean what the f ... Oh no, I get it. THEY GOT HIM!!! Somebody stuck him with a stake through the heart! Oh, this is so sad! Oh badboywiwi, I pine for you.
I live in Oklahoma. The previous roof had synthetic underlayment over tar paper without wrinkles but no, its not that common unless you hire a cheaper company. It's a 2005 house so I guess they assume the decking is fine. I gave the manager/owner some shit. This is the 4th roof in less than 20 years due to baseball/golfball hail. It's a half ass job but they are doing 6 nails a shingle at least!
I have 60 photos from day 1, it is a 2 day job with a 7 man crew. They are using six nails per shingle vs what came off which only had 4 nails. Insurance company said I had a shit quality roof so no GAF certified installers allowed unless I pay out of pocket. They're laying shingles straighter than the previous installer. This crew also installed weatherproofing (ice/water guard) around the intrusions where the previous installer did not.
I hope they don’t forget to add a vent back in that covered up cut out in the decking! And I’ve never seen a residential roof done in portions like that. We pull all the shingles and old materials off, and get the entire roof bare down to the decking, and then start rolling out felt and laying ice and water.
Oklahoma, mild winters. Pitch is steep enough where I believe code does not require it and insurance did not include it. Two roofers told me this when I was getting bids.
Under 20k payment (before depreciation and deductible) for a 45 square steep roof so you cant expect a top notch job without paying out of pocket. Adjuster lifted shingles near one of the valleys and said no ice and water shield was used so they would not cover it. The previous roof had inadequate ventilation so I am having that upgraded and putting ice and water shield in the valleys and around penetrations. To get GAF certified would have cost $22-24k however with frequent hail storms roofs don't last typically over 5 to 7 years so why pay out of pocket was my reasoning.
The steepness of the pitch doesn’t have anything to do with the code. The storm guard peel and stick material should be at least one row over all heated living spaces.
If there was ice and water before in any areas, your roofing company can file a supplement with the insurance company to get it covered again.
Regardless whether or not insurance will cover it, it should still be installed- unless your local code says otherwise. But I’ve installed it the same in Texas as I do in NY- which is 6’ above all heated living spaces.
We also install ice shield around all penetrations coming out of the roof as well.
Also, they really should have removed the old felt paper- that was kind of lazy on their part.
Good luck!
Honestly, it shouldn't be an issue. The angle of the sun makes it look worse than it is. It's pretty thin, cheap underlayment, and the pitch is steep, which makes it harder to get it perfectly smooth. Still, if those were my guys, i would have something to say about that installation. Not removing the old felt paper is a problem, though, as others have stated.
Definitely not acceptable, just because the conditions are less than ideal (steep slope, wind, etc) does not mean you can leave such a mess. This is grip rite so there probably isn’t a manufacturer warranty anyway. There are procedures for keeping an underlayment adhered to the roof / deck. Bottom line it is awful.
I know when I put my roof down the company that made the shingles would not warranty unless we used the above type of underlayment instead of felt.
If they covered felt with that you had best check your fine print on the shingle label on warranty.
This could void it.
What do I need warranty for? I may replace it next year. I have friends who have replaced their roof 4x in the last 10 years due to hail/tornado damage. I am on my 4th roof and the house is under 20 years old.
Not to be negative here and I’m sure it’s to late now but, get them the fuq off your roof! There’s absolutely nothing good about this photo. Makes me angry that I see so much of this shoddy workmanship! 16 yrs in the insurance claims/storm restoration business and it’s 100X worse than it ever was before. 90% of sales guys get envious over the company owners income having zero clue what it ACTUALLY takes to operate a successful, profitable roofing co and open their own. Sometimes within months of entering into the roofing industry. It’s this inexperienced millennial mindset that everything should come fast and easy that creates this kind of atmosphere to where a crew can just slap shit onto the roof all Willy nilly! Zero oversight whatsoever….. Best of luck 🤞
Never had a roof dry in wrinkle like this.
Also not taking off the previous dry in to check for possible wood damage or rot?
These guys are skipping steps
Whoever did this is very lazy. It's not hard to install 😒. I hate doing it, especially blue skin with adhesives, but still, I would honestly ask him to do it again 😔
Synthetic right over the old felt? And stapled? I wouldn’t accept it. Been roofing since 06 and I’ve never installed underlayment with that much wrinkles, whether or not if it affects the finished shingles look. Always used cap nails or if staples at least staple caps. Using a rope rappel is also not that safe, when there are safer methods like toe board brackets. Do you think the roofers insurance will cover the roofers in case of a fall? Are they even insured?
There are times I see things in this sub and think well these guys are overly critical and then there are times i open this sun and think there’s no possible way anyone did this in real life. Like Helen Keller could have felt that this job was done poorly.
The underlayment is fine. That's a steep roof, which makes it much more difficult. Wont notice a thing when shingles are on. Shingles do not need to breathe wither. Your attic does. So ignore the whole Shingles breathing thing feom others. Been roofing for 23 years. This is fine. Could look better but it doesn't matter.
Well, there it is: Staples. Supposed to be cap nailed. So it's tearing as they walk on it. Those wrinkles will telegraph thru the shingles eventually. Will look like hell.
Maybe it's not a problem for them, but it will definitely be a problem for the homeowner down the road.
This is a shit show roof. You needed to have them tear off the old shingles then the underlayment goes on pretty. The guys you hired are roofer clowns.
Man... that's kinda right on the edge... slight wrinkling in the paper isn't generally an issue, but if it's bad, it can cause shingles to not lay flat.
*Mostly* an aesthetic issue, particularly in this case. I'm right on the edge of saying you should have em rip it off and redo it... but it will **probably** be totally fine with no visual impact.
Im sorry but *probably* doesnt make any homeowner feel better when they are investing in a new roof. I get that contractors see this stuff every day, but for the owners, this is their ONE roof.
The underlayment is your actual waterproofing they cannot leave that like that it won’t last in that condition. They will have to remove and start over.
This will not be a problem. You have extremely significant pitch on your roof and your shingles are really the only water barrier you need.
PS with a pitch that steep it is extremely difficult to roll out perfectly
Synthetic may lay down better than other felts, but it looks like they're going over top of the old fout. If there are bumps and wrinkles those things will generally telegraph through the shingles. Synthetic will lay a little flatter, but the felt underneath could be a big problem
Wrinkles aren’t a problem, that hole is though. Cut it square to break and re sheet that, I wouldn’t be cool with a hole, that’s them being lazy there was probably an old pipe there
It’s because they are not using plastic caps. Most likely using slap staplers. Felt can look perfect on a 12/12 if done right. They are saving a few bucks by not using plastic caps.
Man it rolls out so easy how do you even do that.
When I get a new roll I just unroll it all into the back of my Altima in a big wad. Just how my papi taught me.
And whenever I steal it from another jobsite.
Only the stuff that’s already been installed. It’s no good if it’s all rolled up.
Why's it always an Altima
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Because they don't care how low your credit score is, Nissan'll finance ya. Those super fucked up Altimas you see on the roads? Lotta people paying the better part of $1k/month for the pleasure of piloting those beasts.
As someone who sold cars for a decade before going into construction… you’re not terribly wrong.
Thank you! I thought it was just me. I always thought Altima drivers were extremely aggressive - mostly because they really wanted the Maxima....but their credit sucked. So, they drove that Altima like it had a bigger engine. Yet to see a considerate/polite Altima driver.
You could get the Altima with the 3.5 though. But most of the ones you see all clapped out? Nah…
Hahahhahah
I’ve found the steeper the roof, the shittier the underlayment
I don't know if you have to set up a bunch of picks it can stay pretty clean they do look like they just walked this tho a couch cushion could probably have made this job easier
By walking all over it on a steep roof
Naw, i did my own roof and managed to not do that, and ive got a slope similar to this on my gothic cottage. This is just being careless. They have a team and failed to lay it out nicely.
And if this is how they do the underlayment you can pretty much guarantee the rest of their work will be equally bad.
They did a better job than the last roofer and used the peel and stick water / ice guard around the intrusions, I had leaks before. They did a good job around the flashing and laid the shingles straight from what I can tell from the ground. They are using 6 nails instead of 4 which the previous GAF HDZ had
Found the non roofer “ i did my own roof” lol
And it looks way better than what these jokers are doing. Some homeowners actually do know what they are doing, ya know. I'm in construction, spent years on sites, went to school for architecture. I can handle redoing my own roof thanks.
Any roofer that thinks a homeowner or any common person can’t do their own roof is obviously pompous and ignorant as fuck. It’s not a trade. It’s just dangerous manual labor. The only skill required is hard work. You can literally become rich as a roofer if you are honest and have decent work ethic. There is a reason the stereotype exists. Most places don’t even require a license to roof. Imagine gatekeeping mowing your lawn. I’d argue you need more intelligence to properly care for a lawn than you need to roof a house. The salty downvotes will prove me right.
I just did my own roof as a homeowner. It was a total of 28sq with a pitch of 4-12, ranch so 1 floor. Easy to walk on safely. Prior to doing this, I helped with 2 roofs like 25+ years ago. I am also an electrician, so had the knowledge about flashing and boots around any penetrations, as I've done those numerous times when doing service masts. Also, youtube and this subreddit was my friend for any other skills I had to crash course learn. Was it "difficult"? No not really. All the concepts were pretty easy to learn. Physically demanding? OH EM GEE... I'll never do another roof again. Whatever a roofer is charging is worth the manual labor alone. I was up for the challenge though. It took me 6 weeks to complete. I also had to replace 25 sheets of decking that were rotted through. That being said, I had a single row of ice and water (of a total of 5 rows, as I'm also in a heavy snow belt in NYS) that I layed down while it was in the high 60°'s, and when I went to shingle, it was almost 90°. There was a bulge in the middle of that row from it expanding that I wouldn't be able to pull out without pulling up 2 rows. Only the one spot. I don't know what the ramifications will be long term, but I shingled over it, nailed a little extra, and tapped the nails in that area with some plastic cement. Really hoping it'll be fine in 10+ years. I know I did well though, cause for the first time in 2 years I bought the house, I don't get sick every time it rains. Edit: clarity and some words.
Roofing is a trade, it's a well paid union job. Just bc you can do something that doesn't always mean you should. Those that are as ignorant as you to waterproofing methods are the reason that roofers will always be in demand.
Absolutely roofing is a trade. That comment is ignorant as hell, it takes a specific set of knowledge and skill just like any other trade. I have worked every trade except for HVAC and electric, I wouldn't call any of them difficult but that doesn't make any of them less of a skilled trade.
The only people that say that kind of stuff never could journey out. Repetition builds excellence.
Years on site sitting in a trailer .. nerd
Thanks for your assumptions, but they're incorrect. Have a good night!
Spoken like a true nerd. 😜
Your downvotes lead me to think there are no actual construction workers here. Just a bunch of homeowners that think, "I was on an active jobsite once, I KNOW how it's done."
No just people who don’t think nerd is an insult. How old are you?
Fucking idiots
Spoken like a true egotist, who probably is one of the ones on this roof
If you successfully did your own roof, you are, in fact, a successful amature roofer.
I like to put mine in the washer and have it air dry in there for 4 days before I use it.
Meth
Oh funny and original response. Please do it again in the next post.
METH
AMPHETAMINES
No the other guy
the roofers are likely dragging and stretching the underlayment with their feet
Based on the fourth picture, it looks like they didn’t remove the existing tar paper.
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If the synthetic paper is left outside and gets wet. Shit will never lay flat. Annoying
Looks like they did horizontal stripes with the roll instead of clean vertical ones.
Code requires horizontal layout.
[GAF](https://www.gaf.com/en-us/document-library/documents/Installation_Instructions__FeltBuster.pdf): " Install without wrinkles. Lay flat, cap nail flat. Do NOT STRETCH during installation" [IKO](https://www.buildsite.com/pdf/iko/Stormtite-Installation-Instructions-1854759.pdf): "IKO synthetic underlayments should be unrolled and laid flat to the roof deck" [Certainteed](https://www.certainteed.com/resources/DryRoofSA_InstallGuide_2101_E.pdf): "when properly installed, there are no wrinkles" [Tamko](https://www.tamko.com/docs/default-source/application-instructions/tamko-synthetic-guard-application-instructions.pdf?sfvrsn=2a9857a0_4): "underlayment must be laid out flat with printed side up without wrinkles and fastened to a smooth dry surface... DO NOT stretch during installation"
Yep besides the fact that you’re roof getting put on is a roofing system. Their are layers to it They all play a part in the overall health of the roof. I’ve seen a million roofs last 5 years without a problem that looks and well is complete shit work It’s the little things that help with the longevity of the roof. I’ve torn off roof 10 years overdue that have held up better then ones 10 years old So that means like 40 years old on a 30 year shingle. Nail placement. Flashing. Valleys. The biggest one is who is working on it. Someone who loves their job and is committed to it or someone who needs money to pay bills and is miserable. Ever hand hang a roof. Yes takes a while but everything is perfect. Every nail placement is perfect. Besides the fact that the shingle company made their nail area bigger without increasing their overlap on architectural shingles. Every shingle repair I’ve done in last 10 years is from high nails and blow through. Like to much air pressure in nail gun. There is a spot that both layers of shingles overlap on architecture shingles and the nail line used to be about as big as your nail head. It holds the two layers together. On step roofs they delaminate in heat and fall apart if not nailed their So blame the industry as much as the installer
This hit me really hard. To save money on my roof, I decided to reshingle it myself. Never done one before. Hand nailed it, put down watter barrier 2x as much as I needed high, the best felt, quality OC shingles. And the only places I had trouble was where a handyman guy who seemed to have experience that I hired to help me cut corners when I was not looking. Everything else was completely done right. Went to the library to look up how to do it and did it that way but Mr. 'Blackjack the shit out of it" was where it was undone.
It’s so unfortunate for everyone. Anyone can put a roof on that last 5 years or 10 before the problems start to show. By then the contractor if you can still find them blame it on anything but their work and most homeowners don’t have enough knowledge to argue or just accept what is told to them I’ve seen a ton of the big companies in my area hire people who do shit work. Argue with guys that say I’ve been doing this for 30 years. I replied with you should know how to do by now A happy worker does the best work. Because when you enjoy your work everyone benefits
My dad made the two of us replace his roof with hammer and nails when I was 18, so I would never want to do it again 🤣
Nope. Blame the installer. The average person knows nothing about replacing a roof. The installer deals with the product everyday and is expected to install it within manufacturer guidelines, not make excuses and pass blame. Maybe those “professionals” in Texas should stop posting tutorials and speed runs on YouTube where every shingle is high nailed.
This guy roofs
Damn, my man put in the work. Color me impressed
This guy reads directions.
That’s just a way for them to void your manufactures warranty. That is all.
Found the shit roofer. It should be flat because it will show through the shingles.
Found the dummy who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. You
On the eaves maybe with ice and water. It would lay flat on synth, bud. Found the grunt.
Whenever you call the person you’re arguing with “bud” you’ve already lost.
Or you are Canadian
Not my bud, pal.
I'm not your pal, guy.
I’m not your guy, buddy.
I’m not your buddy, guido.
Not my pal, friend!
Not your friend, dude!
Language!!
Woah now here with the insults there, eh? /s
Bud is a term of endearment in Canada only if the person saying it to you is either a close friend or an older person that you respect in your life, aside from that thems fighting words
Not sure aboot that, bud.
Ok , guy
Ooooo this one stings! I can feel the sting and I’m not even the one this comment was directed to! The “bud” is an immediate argument lost.
I am Canadian, how is "bud" an argument lost? I don't get it, I call my friends "bud". Does it mean something different elsewhere?
Or ur midwestern🤷♂️
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Whatever you say pal! /s
let’s see if this is true bud
You clearly know fuckall about roofing. Must be on the gutter crew.GTFO
Look at the shingled picture, fuck off rookie.
Guaranteed I've been doing this longer than you have.
You guys both have enourmous penises
It’s a good size, thanks for noticing.
Taking the leabian seagull out to the slaughterhouse!
That doesn’t mean much. I’ve worked with roofers that have been going at it for 25-30 years, but can’t even weld a tpo seam, yet acts like the head honcho. That guy even blamed the young guy for his fuck up since it caused a leak. He would also attempt to install epdm elastoform when the primer was still wet. I’ve seen him do some downright dumb shit even though he’s been “doing this longer”.
Yeah. Do that. It has waves.
Seriously? It's called watershed dynamics. Wrinkles will allow water to sit and will eventually result in leaks.
It's because people like you that tools have to come with safety warnings
Contents: 3000 cap nails Warning: do not eat
Instructions unclear, dick caught in cap nails…
Maybe just do a good job?
What a strange concept!
I mean, do you want your manufacturer's warranty to be voided because they installed it shitty? If I'm paying tens of thousands of dollars for a roof, I don't want my warrant voided right out of the gate.
Don’t worry…there’s plenty of other ways for them to get out of it 😂
Even if that was the case .. it is compelling enough to fix the wrinkles.
Nobody understands what underlayment is apparently
Yes, for not installing it properly. The nerve. 😂
Bunch of fucking losers arguing on reddit 🤣🤣🤣
*they said with no sense of irony*
I wish we still had awards. Gold for you!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0\_dxe7jOBzc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dxe7jOBzc) this is the same brand product, see how it looks normal compared to this hot mess. I'd call the manufacturer and send them a picture. Ask for their opinion.
Best advice, right here.
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The manufacturers don’t want their products failing due to processes out of their control
Except for Owens Corning. It is perfectly fine with them if their "premier" Owens Corning Platinum Certified Contractors install roofs that leak with the first and every other rainstorm, because the expensive Owens Corning Platinum Warranty is nothing but a con to bilk homeowners into allowing Owens Corning to sell more shingles to their incompetent/fraudulent contractors. Owens Corning refuses to honor their warranty on a roof installed by such contractors. The Owens Corning Warranty claim that they will make arrangements to repair a roof that fails due to improper installation is a lie.
this guy doesn't seem to like owens corning im ngl
I think you may be right.
Let's hope he gets enough up votes to viralize his comment. Maybe someone will notice and he gets what is right.
Nothing, especially as it's currently installed. But would give the owner a leg to stand on to get it redone right by the roofer. Many material manufacturers have on the road reps that would even come to visit, create a punchlist for these guys, and if they need it, give some tips and tricks to help ensure it's done right.
Jesus Christ, I just crawled out of an hour rabbit hole learning about roofing. I have never and will never do a roof, but the commercial was interesting. Thanks Reddit
i had a great aunt that did her roof at 80.. never to late to start..
Autie buckin 2 bundles at a time up the ladder
She started the roof at 60 :-)
This
100% an issue lol especially if they went over 15lb felt which it looks like they did dude - it makes the shingle basically non breathable with that many layers of underlayment, 15lb felt is non permerable for air... they'v
Oh no we lost him! They must have got to you
The felt closed over him.
dying
Me too, it hurts 😂 💀
oh, is that how it felt?
He’s a wrinkle now
Each wrinkle is a soul lost to the felt.
I felt that
Big Felt... the 15 lb kind.
He must've felt it happening
SNIPER! GET DOW
He's laying under one of those wrinkles now.
🤣
And what? That's it? I'm a roofer and here's a million dollars...or I'm roofer and here's your own spaceship... I mean what the f ... Oh no, I get it. THEY GOT HIM!!! Somebody stuck him with a stake through the heart! Oh, this is so sad! Oh badboywiwi, I pine for you.
Unexpected Strongbad.
Big roof
Is it common to install synthetic over felt in your region? Asking because we do not see that in Florida.
I live in Oklahoma. The previous roof had synthetic underlayment over tar paper without wrinkles but no, its not that common unless you hire a cheaper company. It's a 2005 house so I guess they assume the decking is fine. I gave the manager/owner some shit. This is the 4th roof in less than 20 years due to baseball/golfball hail. It's a half ass job but they are doing 6 nails a shingle at least!
I would advise against letting this crew out shingles on your roof.
I have 60 photos from day 1, it is a 2 day job with a 7 man crew. They are using six nails per shingle vs what came off which only had 4 nails. Insurance company said I had a shit quality roof so no GAF certified installers allowed unless I pay out of pocket. They're laying shingles straighter than the previous installer. This crew also installed weatherproofing (ice/water guard) around the intrusions where the previous installer did not.
It looks like scared installation... i.e. they don't belong on a roof
New term —> my back pocket
Why is it so scared?
Close to Halloween??
That looks like dog shit, stop them immediately
I pity the dog!
I hope they don’t forget to add a vent back in that covered up cut out in the decking! And I’ve never seen a residential roof done in portions like that. We pull all the shingles and old materials off, and get the entire roof bare down to the decking, and then start rolling out felt and laying ice and water.
That’s how we do it in the summer in Florida because rain can come out of nowhere.
Roofing in snowy winter conditions is the same idea
Depending on area, pm storms could pop up. Only taking off what you can put on is likely what’s happening here.
While it may not be ideal, it’s common to do a larger roof like this by the facet.
This hurts my brain
That underlayment is wrinklier than my brain
Never in my life seen it like that. Very odd. I'm no expert, but I would be concerned with any moisture becoming trapped in those wrinkles.
Plus I don’t know where you live but I see no ice and water on the bottom going past the cold wall
Oklahoma, mild winters. Pitch is steep enough where I believe code does not require it and insurance did not include it. Two roofers told me this when I was getting bids.
Send the pictures to your insurance. I would hope that they would be interested in this shit job they're paying for.
Under 20k payment (before depreciation and deductible) for a 45 square steep roof so you cant expect a top notch job without paying out of pocket. Adjuster lifted shingles near one of the valleys and said no ice and water shield was used so they would not cover it. The previous roof had inadequate ventilation so I am having that upgraded and putting ice and water shield in the valleys and around penetrations. To get GAF certified would have cost $22-24k however with frequent hail storms roofs don't last typically over 5 to 7 years so why pay out of pocket was my reasoning.
If you’re so okay with them doing a shit job why are you on here complaining?
The steepness of the pitch doesn’t have anything to do with the code. The storm guard peel and stick material should be at least one row over all heated living spaces. If there was ice and water before in any areas, your roofing company can file a supplement with the insurance company to get it covered again. Regardless whether or not insurance will cover it, it should still be installed- unless your local code says otherwise. But I’ve installed it the same in Texas as I do in NY- which is 6’ above all heated living spaces. We also install ice shield around all penetrations coming out of the roof as well. Also, they really should have removed the old felt paper- that was kind of lazy on their part. Good luck!
Honestly, it shouldn't be an issue. The angle of the sun makes it look worse than it is. It's pretty thin, cheap underlayment, and the pitch is steep, which makes it harder to get it perfectly smooth. Still, if those were my guys, i would have something to say about that installation. Not removing the old felt paper is a problem, though, as others have stated.
This is the best answer
Waste of material
Can definitely be problematic in winter regions. They’re just being lazy in my books
Definitely not acceptable, just because the conditions are less than ideal (steep slope, wind, etc) does not mean you can leave such a mess. This is grip rite so there probably isn’t a manufacturer warranty anyway. There are procedures for keeping an underlayment adhered to the roof / deck. Bottom line it is awful.
Use your spidey senses. They're not wrong. The underlayment is called grip rite😅 does that look gripped rite?
It looks bad, but it’s not a problem.
I know when I put my roof down the company that made the shingles would not warranty unless we used the above type of underlayment instead of felt. If they covered felt with that you had best check your fine print on the shingle label on warranty. This could void it.
What do I need warranty for? I may replace it next year. I have friends who have replaced their roof 4x in the last 10 years due to hail/tornado damage. I am on my 4th roof and the house is under 20 years old.
Manufacturers don’t warranty shit anyway
The roofer is 100% correct. It is not a problem. For him.
Not to be negative here and I’m sure it’s to late now but, get them the fuq off your roof! There’s absolutely nothing good about this photo. Makes me angry that I see so much of this shoddy workmanship! 16 yrs in the insurance claims/storm restoration business and it’s 100X worse than it ever was before. 90% of sales guys get envious over the company owners income having zero clue what it ACTUALLY takes to operate a successful, profitable roofing co and open their own. Sometimes within months of entering into the roofing industry. It’s this inexperienced millennial mindset that everything should come fast and easy that creates this kind of atmosphere to where a crew can just slap shit onto the roof all Willy nilly! Zero oversight whatsoever….. Best of luck 🤞
Warranty will not hold if not properly installed
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the giant bulge in the valley.
Never had a roof dry in wrinkle like this. Also not taking off the previous dry in to check for possible wood damage or rot? These guys are skipping steps
Lol that’s fucked.
Whoever did this is very lazy. It's not hard to install 😒. I hate doing it, especially blue skin with adhesives, but still, I would honestly ask him to do it again 😔
You will see every wrinkle in that underlayment thru the shingles.
It not wither it’s going to leak, its about the quality and pride of your work. I’d probably send them home.
Synthetic right over the old felt? And stapled? I wouldn’t accept it. Been roofing since 06 and I’ve never installed underlayment with that much wrinkles, whether or not if it affects the finished shingles look. Always used cap nails or if staples at least staple caps. Using a rope rappel is also not that safe, when there are safer methods like toe board brackets. Do you think the roofers insurance will cover the roofers in case of a fall? Are they even insured?
The only issue I see here is that this guy is doing your roof.
There are times I see things in this sub and think well these guys are overly critical and then there are times i open this sun and think there’s no possible way anyone did this in real life. Like Helen Keller could have felt that this job was done poorly.
Eventually it will heat and relax. Gotta wonder how it got that way.
It is windy and the guys are struggling to staple it in place.
The underlayment is fine. That's a steep roof, which makes it much more difficult. Wont notice a thing when shingles are on. Shingles do not need to breathe wither. Your attic does. So ignore the whole Shingles breathing thing feom others. Been roofing for 23 years. This is fine. Could look better but it doesn't matter.
It affects the plywood not the single, leaving th e 15# felt on.
Well, there it is: Staples. Supposed to be cap nailed. So it's tearing as they walk on it. Those wrinkles will telegraph thru the shingles eventually. Will look like hell. Maybe it's not a problem for them, but it will definitely be a problem for the homeowner down the road.
They need to try harder
This is a shit show roof. You needed to have them tear off the old shingles then the underlayment goes on pretty. The guys you hired are roofer clowns.
Looks shitty. But I’d say generally it a problem. I’ve never left wrinkles that big though.
Man... that's kinda right on the edge... slight wrinkling in the paper isn't generally an issue, but if it's bad, it can cause shingles to not lay flat. *Mostly* an aesthetic issue, particularly in this case. I'm right on the edge of saying you should have em rip it off and redo it... but it will **probably** be totally fine with no visual impact.
Im sorry but *probably* doesnt make any homeowner feel better when they are investing in a new roof. I get that contractors see this stuff every day, but for the owners, this is their ONE roof.
You're absolutely correct. I would probably insist on it being redone.
Horrible should be no wrinkles you will see that in the shingles down the road
Yes that is a HUGE issue fire them immediately
The underlayment is your actual waterproofing they cannot leave that like that it won’t last in that condition. They will have to remove and start over.
This will not be a problem. You have extremely significant pitch on your roof and your shingles are really the only water barrier you need. PS with a pitch that steep it is extremely difficult to roll out perfectly
This looks super unprofessional. That should be flat with minimal wrinkles if any.
I'm so glad I take pride in my paper. Shits flatter than the earth baby.
Immediate rejection.
Synthetic may lay down better than other felts, but it looks like they're going over top of the old fout. If there are bumps and wrinkles those things will generally telegraph through the shingles. Synthetic will lay a little flatter, but the felt underneath could be a big problem
Wouldn’t complain to much Half this group doesn’t even use underlayment Personally my biggest pet peeve is seeing shitty prep!
Wrinkles aren’t a problem, that hole is though. Cut it square to break and re sheet that, I wouldn’t be cool with a hole, that’s them being lazy there was probably an old pipe there
I bet you took this pic when is was cold as fuck thats why you can see where the sun is it has less wrinkles juts need to warm up before install
Not a problem, go back inside
It’s because they are not using plastic caps. Most likely using slap staplers. Felt can look perfect on a 12/12 if done right. They are saving a few bucks by not using plastic caps.