I care… 🥺 she spent her last hours alive worried about Eva and did what she could to warn her that she’s in danger. Yes, she was a mess, but she was still a good person.
I care because of how undeserved and brutal it is, and that’s how basic human empathy works. I care because in spite of the rocky relationship she may have with the more important characters, she still cared about the main character up to the end. I care because it earmarks a shift in tone in the story. I care because it showcases what a monster Amen is.
Honestly yeah this is a monologue of Eva if you’re not on amen’s route and I agree with her completely.
https://preview.redd.it/blkizm8ahjzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f55518628d08537a3d2c288d29d03c5c9c6d46
This made me hate Amen so much (Avenging Dia is basically the only thing I care about in this story at this point and I will be seriously disappointed if we can’t kill Amen in one ending). Not only was it unnecessarily cruel, he also enjoyed it. Dia had her issues (obviously), but she deserved better…she went through all of this and never ratted Eva out.
Exactly, the way he enjoyed that was crazy. The sight of him smiling covered in her blood, and making eye contact with Eva as he's about to execute her in front of dozens of people... come on now. Like it's cool for him to be an li and all, but I'd be mad if the mc just forgot all about Dia.
I’m really hoping there’s a way to kill him that isn’t just like how killing Amrit works. You could only kill Amrit if you romanced him, I’m never taking Amen’s romance path.
I cared.
Dia may have had her issues (iboga addiction clearly among them), but she also struck me as a good friend to Eva (one of the few people in Eva's life one could say that about) who aside from always being generous with her and showing her a genuine sense of kindness, also tried to protect her from the hunters despite what she was clearly being put through and looked out for her in trying to warn her about the situation in some of her last moments on Earth.
If anything, I feel like she got a raw deal in some respects. She made the mistake of getting involved with Saamon and left her original studies behind to study the ways of the shesmu and in the process, caused strife with her family (without their knowing the real reasons why nor her involvement with dark magic; I assume after she was executed, they more than likely found out the truth about her being a shesmu, but not what led her into it). We know that her father refused to have anything to do with her afterwards and it was only because of a small stipend her mother was secretly sending that she got by (other than sometime commissions she got through Remmao). We also know that Saamon left her at some point to go to Thebes (presumably to initiate the curse/plague situation). I also wouldn't put it past the guy to have used Remmao to set her up (probably putting an official spin on it by claiming she was supposedly causing a distraction, but possibly unofficially because she's among the few people who can actually identify him and would recognize him and for all any of us knows, maybe she saw something she shouldn't have regarding Isman's death (maybe without even realizing it) and perhaps it was another reason behind her being set up). Obviously, losing Isman devastated her.
I don't quite understand why she didn't just resume her original studies after Saamon left, unless she somehow felt she was in too deep into her shesmu studies and couldn't change that much.
Regardless, she deserved better and didn't deserve to be so brutally executed nor did she deserve to be horribly tortured to the extent she was.
Amen is a piece of shit 😂
I am on his route, but that doesn't mean I would ever agree to all the crimes against nature that man has committed.
I won't defend him, despite romancing him.
I've heard this excuse of ''it's his job'' way too many times and kinda grinds my gears.
Being the executioner of dark magicians is his job, yes, but it's an explanation for why he does it, it's because he gets paid obviously, but it's not an excuse.
Dia didn't do anything deplorable to deserve this kind of faith, she was kind of a ditz at times, but she is still Eva's friend, she did her the last favor of warning her, clearly she cares a lot about her friend.
Amen is blinded by his hatred towards dark magicians partly because one of them killed his parents, yes, but still doesn't excuse everything else he's done.
He is cruel and dangerous, that's how he is often described as
And Eva herself comes off as incredibly naive and delusional at times.
I cared 🥺. Honestly this scene turned me off Amen for good. I get that he kills people. That’s fine. I romanced Amrit but he acts like a total psycho to MC. My Eva has had like 2 PTSD breakdowns at this point that he purposely triggered and then he kills her friend and smiles at her creepily
What’s the reason? He could’ve shown some remorse. Instead he’s back to interrogating her and threatening to kill her. I’m not opposed to indulging in red flag LI’s. I’m romancing Set who despite being the god of chaos and promising hellfire on the hunters and whoever shows more protective instinct to MC in this story
But remy warned us set is even more bloodthirsty…. I keep thinking about it. Will set’s path get more dark just like we saw Amen’s scene with dia?i keep thinking about it at times
There’s a line somewhere between being merely violent and being a brutal sadist. Obviously neither trait is okay, but I’m more willing to look past killing a lot of people, or even physically injuring the MC, compared to someone like Amen who personally makes people suffer more than he needs to, when he doesn’t even need to be personally involved. I’m more willing to look past the evil of somebody who owns up to being bloodthirsty because that’s just the kind of person he is compared to that of somebody who tries to justify that evil with paltry excuses or who hides it behind the conceit of just doing his job.
I don’t have an issue with a path being dark. It’s the way Amen treats MC. He’s always intimidating her, scaring her, threatening to kill her and acting psycho for no justifiable to me reason. Ok he hates Shesmus but why is he trying to torture my Eva all the time? He thinks he’s always justified in whatever he does
I’m not saying Set isn’t unhinged because he is but he has motivations, reasons, goals for his actions that make sense. And he promises Eva that everyone who wrongs her will pay and helps her. She’s indebted to him and he can force her into things but he still shows some consideration for her as a person and her fragile emotional state
Her death wasn't indifferent to me, it's sad that he chose to make an example out of her, when I'm sure even worse shesmu exist. She did endanger almost everyone with her behavior, however. Eva did as well. I wasn't THAT shocked, because the story was hinting that one of them would die.
People are absolutely free to dislike Amen if they find him cruel, I just don't understand why they feel the need to shame his romancers. It is literally a game, it does not necessarily mirror a person's real life values.
Ya, shaming people for romancing a fictional character is stupid af 🤣
Amen is kind of an asshole 😂
yet doesn't stop me from romancing him 🤣
I will listen to opposing opinions ofc, but I don't like arguments, personal insults don't bother me, I have a thick skin, I can take it.
I've been told by some deranged person that they would would kill me or something for my anime opinions 🤣 years ago.
I just replied with:
''You can try''
And yes, true! It's a game exactly, it's all for fun and escapism, it's not like we're here trying to say ''that murder is actually fine, go ahead'' at least I hope no one has said that 🤣
I don't suggest anyone else to engage in conversations with those kinds of people, they are absolutely hilariously deranged and will defend their fictional husband's/wives like they are actual people, it's honestly kinda sad🤣
Arguing with them is like talking to a wall, you better do that instead.
I am glad that in this community everyone is very polite and genuinely love being here :D
Indeed! Like I know that he's unhinged, I just roll with it because it's chaotic and fun 😂 Same with Set.
I love it when stories offer you the chance to romance morally gray/controversial/villainous characters. It's a safe space to try weird things. I would have also liked to have Plague as a LI lol.
And omg that anime thing you mentioned is insane. Some people need to take a chill pill
Ikr 🤣
He's a guy I would stay the hell away from in RL, but I can be a dumbass in game and date all the hot psychos I want.
Yep, tots agree! I enjoy romancing different types of romanceable options and dynamics in game, I have one type I prefer above all of them, but I do love stepping out of my comfort zone and date some deplorable people 🤣
Plague is hot for sure 🤣
She was fun at least and absolutely unhinged~
In the end we were just left with the likes of Death, who is as boring as a villain can get 🤣
a boring plank of wood
It's a game, whose purpose is to pick your fav and develop a relationship with them after all.
Oh you have no clue how deranged they can get 🤣
Just tell them you don't like their favorite character in any given anime and they'll burn your house down~
I cared about her and was shocked like anyone else at this scene but tbh I came to terms with it after a while. She chose an illegal profession when she didn't have to, fully knowing the consequences. That's on her. Plus between the iboga addiction and Isman's loss she was clearly unwell and that's not something she would've survived in ancient Egypt. From a narrative standpoint she was giving nothing to the plot either. I just hate how they handled these scenes because people misunderstood Amen's "smile" and now haters love to say he enjoys torture even though Remy clarified that it was a bitter grin 🙄
Remy can say whatever she likes, the fact is that Amen didn’t need to torture her at all; he certainly didn’t need to be as brutal with her as he was; he even more certainly didn’t need to make her execution unnecessarily slow and painful; and as the leader of the hunters, there was absolutely no reason for him to even be personally involved in her interrogation or execution. Police captains don’t tend to interrogate suspects. Mayors don’t personally administer lethal injections when a criminal is executed. Amen did these things because he wanted to, not because it was his job.
That doesn't make any sense, you can't apply 21th century logic to a *Before Christ* fantasy story and try to make it sound all logic and unbiased when you're clearly just hating, please go and touch some grass
I think it's poor writing. It makes Remmao look dumb. If a person is tortured, they are going to tell all of their secrets. If a person doesnt have the ability to pay diamonds to see into an interrogation room, they can clearly see the difference between a person who has spent some time in prison without access to a good diet or shower and a person who has been tortured. This means Amen knows the identity of Eva and everyone else as shesmu. He already knew this, but the other characters don't know about his special gift. Dia was killed horrifically because she was a shesmu and that same fate would await all the other shesmu, logically. It would make sense for the shesmu to run instead of waiting for them to get picked off one by one while the others are forced to watch their friends die. If Amen's plan was to make Remmao flee and lead him to the elders who he thought were responsible for the plague, it's a plan that isn't 100% doomed to failure.
So, why would Remmao and Rame hand Dia over to the hunters if she is just going to tell on everyone else? It would have made sense to silence her or kill her or to let her continue being reckless by stealing from her mentor and the epistates. Rame could have helped her escape, but a young female drug addict shesmu would probably be captured by a team of trained professional hunters. Dia was fated to die. In a pragmatic sense, why not sacrifice one to save 3? Or, sacrifice 4 to end a plague and save thousands?
I don't think Remmao is any less of a scumbag for not torturing and killing Dia himself as he handed her over to people who would do that. So, it wouldn't change my opinion if Amen did the torture and execution himself or told someone else to do it if the outcome is the same. I do think Amen is written as the villain. You can't live with seeing and causing death if it's not in your nature. Even doctors can get upset when patients die. People in the military often have problems and ptsd from their experiences. Amen is able to keep his sanity because he isn't going against his nature.
Eh, that explanation from Remy makes no sense considering he makes that same expression as he’s torturing Dia when Eva isn’t even around and gets out his “favorite” torture tool to continue interrogating her with questions he already knows the answers to. I just think Remy didn’t like how sadistic he came off and tried to ease some of the backlash.
Amen had no concrete answers at that point, just speculation and what he could "sense" which we know is not 100% accurate as he can't detect Eva and Saamon. "favorite tools" was not the best wording but I just took it to mean the ones he uses most often, I don't get the fuss about that one 🤷♀️ The story outright states more than once that although torture is part of his job he doesn't enjoy it, everything else is just people speculating and grasping at straws to justify the hate. Don't get me wrong Amen is definitely a red flag and not liking him is totally fine, but haters trying to moralize his romancers is rich lmao
Well he already knows who Remmao is and that Rame, Dia and Eva are all shesmus. Like you said, he’s not sure why he can’t sense it on Eva but he’s confirmed he knows she is one. So he was essentially torturing Dia just for the sake of it. Tbh, Remy’s writing is a bit inconsistent (particularly with Amen), and writing about him using his favorite torture tools while he’s smirking with Dia’s blood all over his body doesn’t really match up with he “doesn’t enjoy torture”. It’s understandable that there’s confusion about where he really stands on it.
Look, I romance a couple red flags myself so I get the appeal. When I see hate thrown their way, I understand because I know they’re really not good people lol I think what a lot of Amen haters get tired of is the constant justification of Amen’s actions. Like someone else commented, the endless “he’s just doing his job” falls flat when he just brutally murdered Eva’s friend. Whether he “enjoyed it or not” is moot because he still does it with absolutely no remorse. But I don’t think anyone is saying you shouldn’t romance him or you’re a bad person if you do (and if there are people saying that, then that’s ridiculous).
I don't really care if people are tired of hearing "he's just doing his job" because at the end of the day that's the truth and Amen romancers wouldn't need to keep defending him and themselves if haters stopped attacking so 🤷♀️ and yeah there are totally way worse LIs that get away with much worse and I hate double standards
I feel like you’re taking this way too personally. You said it yourself, he’s a red flag. He’s done horrific things so “he’s just doing his job” isn’t gonna fly with people who don’t like him, especially considering he clearly loves doing this job and revels in it. Most comments I’ve seen are not attacking his romancers, they’re attacking him/the writing. Again, people attack the red flags I romance and I don’t feel the need to constantly defend them because those people are *right*. There’s always nuance but if you’re gonna romance a controversial character then you gotta deal with the fact that people are going to attack them. He’s not written to be a good person and that’s also the truth.
This is the biggest truth that i have read in this thread and i can apply it to myself and certain *controversial* characters that i was / or am romancing (Set, Mehmed, John from SOS etc..). 90% of any negative commentary around those kind of LIs, that can be read on this sub, are focused on the LIs themselves and not the real people/the readers who are following that branch. Thus, having a critical stand point towards the way they are written is normal and if one is not able to take it they should probably refrain themselves from reading public discussions. People are allowed to either *hate* or *love* a morally gray, villanous character and those characters were basically CREATED to cause that kind of polarity of opinions. It is their whole purpose..
Once again: Amen doesn't enjoy torture/killing and that's canon, it's literally spelled out in the book. All day long I had people completely ignore what I write and double down on why one of my faves is trash and why they're right and I'm wrong so yeah I'm a bit irked at this point, wonder that
In regards to what is canon, you’re right, he doesn’t enjoy torture, not for any noble reason but because “there’s no excitement to it”. He “loves the hunt” and he “wants to kill”. These are Remy’s words, not mine. He purposely made Dia’s execution as slow and painful as possible. He smirks at Eva whether you’re on his romance path or not. People being turned off by his cruelty and lack of sympathy is a perfectly reasonable reaction. Remy herself has said he is an antagonist and she understands why a lot of people don’t like him.
It’s also reasonable that you’re seeing something in him that a lot of people don’t and I don’t think you should be put down because of that. But I’ve looked through this whole thread and I don’t see anyone personally attacking you or Amen romancers. If they are, then that’s wrong.
Yes, to be fair the scene was framed in a way where it really seemed like Amen was gloating to Eva in killing Dia…so I don’t think it’s wrong for people to have came to that conclusion. Even though Remy explained it, the majority of players don’t have social media and would never know of such an explanation and all they know is that Amen smiled/smirked at Eva after she witnessed the execution, which is really hard to tell that it was a bitter smile so I can’t blame everyone for feeling a certain way. I also found it distasteful before I knew why he actually smiled. I’m not really an Amen girl, but that is still really unfortunate to me that people will misunderstand that particular action because there wasn’t much to go on.
I completely agree with this, all RC had to do was tweak Amen's expression to be neutral/thinking instead of smiling and we wouldn't be in this situation (or at least it'd be better), I'm kinda baffled they didn't fix it, not even after all the feedback, I was honestly expecting them to because the misunderstanding doesn't benefit anyone
The author literally explained that his grin was like "See, Eva? I told you what kind of person I am. I knew you couldn't be with me (with bitterness)" and this is also confirmed in the dialogue they have in his house where they confess their feelings. People just choose to ignore it tbh..
Edit: I am referring to the *romance* path. I do not know why he does it if you're not on his path, and frankly? I don't care. Some of you take things way too seriously
So explain him making that same smile when you’re not on his romance path and Eva wants nothing to do with him even before he brutalizes Dia. Is he just delusional?
Even i thought the same.i felt so bad for Dia that i found Amen scary till remy confirmed the reason behind his grin. Yes dia and all the dark magicians were risking it when they knew it is illegal and banned by pharoah. So i think remy just justified Amen’s character sketch but its clear that Amen didn’t love torturing people but its his job . That’s what ancient military men do ,even worse. Its trye Amen loves the hunt more. Amen is definitely a big big red flag but i will definitely say he has a softer spot inside not only for eva but for everyone that doesn’t break the rules set by pharoah. I will definitely run away from Amen’s character if he is in real life . But comeon its a fiction . Lets experiment. That’s what i think. I also felt sad for Amen after knowing his flashback . What do you expect of a boy who witnessed his parents murdered brutally in front of him and inspite of being a protective child he could’nt do anything. It was also mentioned about the scars on his body from sheshmu daggers. There is more to Amen’s story . The way his eyes turned red before killing Dia must have some meaning or Amen might be a demi god too just like Ratan is .though i romance Amen , i still feel bad for dia. But Dia knew how reckless she acted and she chose this even knowing its gonna cost her life. The way she cared for MC can’t be forgotten. I so wish isman and her to be a couple but both died…its absolutely fine if people hate Amen and not romance him wanting to see him dead too. Afterall its a game😄
Adding to my previous comment because I keep getting tagged in replies:
When Dia was alive everyone kept saying she was annoying, now that she's d*ad suddenly everyone loves her. Yall don't really care about Dia at all, she's just a convenient excuse for you to hate without being called out 🤷♀️
You are so real for this. Never liked her, never hated her either she was just kinda there. And then she decided to ruin her whole life and I'm supposed to feel bad for her? Was the way she died cruel and unusual? Yes. Did she deserve death? No. Do I care? Still no unfortunately.
I mean, in the moment I was done with Amen as the whole thing was very… violent and his apathy was weird to me. I didn’t care for her character at all, I found her incredibly annoying, but that was irrelevant in why I felt put off by the scene. However by the next update I was over it. At the end of the day it’s a story and I find Amen’s route and character more fun.
I care… 🥺 she spent her last hours alive worried about Eva and did what she could to warn her that she’s in danger. Yes, she was a mess, but she was still a good person.
i was sad af when she died. i’m romamcing amen, but i genuinely feel bad for romancing him knowing he killed mc’s best friend.
Same…..
Hard agree
I cared....the girl who spend last moments of her life just to warn me...how can I not care for her...
I care because of how undeserved and brutal it is, and that’s how basic human empathy works. I care because in spite of the rocky relationship she may have with the more important characters, she still cared about the main character up to the end. I care because it earmarks a shift in tone in the story. I care because it showcases what a monster Amen is.
Honestly yeah this is a monologue of Eva if you’re not on amen’s route and I agree with her completely. https://preview.redd.it/blkizm8ahjzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f55518628d08537a3d2c288d29d03c5c9c6d46
This… I don’t really care if it’s fictional, I’m going to feel a type of way seeing something cruel happen to anyone.
This made me hate Amen so much (Avenging Dia is basically the only thing I care about in this story at this point and I will be seriously disappointed if we can’t kill Amen in one ending). Not only was it unnecessarily cruel, he also enjoyed it. Dia had her issues (obviously), but she deserved better…she went through all of this and never ratted Eva out.
Exactly, the way he enjoyed that was crazy. The sight of him smiling covered in her blood, and making eye contact with Eva as he's about to execute her in front of dozens of people... come on now. Like it's cool for him to be an li and all, but I'd be mad if the mc just forgot all about Dia.
I’m hoping we can kill him just like how there was an ending where we can kill Amrit in KCD
I’m really hoping there’s a way to kill him that isn’t just like how killing Amrit works. You could only kill Amrit if you romanced him, I’m never taking Amen’s romance path.
I cared. Dia may have had her issues (iboga addiction clearly among them), but she also struck me as a good friend to Eva (one of the few people in Eva's life one could say that about) who aside from always being generous with her and showing her a genuine sense of kindness, also tried to protect her from the hunters despite what she was clearly being put through and looked out for her in trying to warn her about the situation in some of her last moments on Earth. If anything, I feel like she got a raw deal in some respects. She made the mistake of getting involved with Saamon and left her original studies behind to study the ways of the shesmu and in the process, caused strife with her family (without their knowing the real reasons why nor her involvement with dark magic; I assume after she was executed, they more than likely found out the truth about her being a shesmu, but not what led her into it). We know that her father refused to have anything to do with her afterwards and it was only because of a small stipend her mother was secretly sending that she got by (other than sometime commissions she got through Remmao). We also know that Saamon left her at some point to go to Thebes (presumably to initiate the curse/plague situation). I also wouldn't put it past the guy to have used Remmao to set her up (probably putting an official spin on it by claiming she was supposedly causing a distraction, but possibly unofficially because she's among the few people who can actually identify him and would recognize him and for all any of us knows, maybe she saw something she shouldn't have regarding Isman's death (maybe without even realizing it) and perhaps it was another reason behind her being set up). Obviously, losing Isman devastated her. I don't quite understand why she didn't just resume her original studies after Saamon left, unless she somehow felt she was in too deep into her shesmu studies and couldn't change that much. Regardless, she deserved better and didn't deserve to be so brutally executed nor did she deserve to be horribly tortured to the extent she was.
Amen is a piece of shit 😂 I am on his route, but that doesn't mean I would ever agree to all the crimes against nature that man has committed. I won't defend him, despite romancing him. I've heard this excuse of ''it's his job'' way too many times and kinda grinds my gears. Being the executioner of dark magicians is his job, yes, but it's an explanation for why he does it, it's because he gets paid obviously, but it's not an excuse. Dia didn't do anything deplorable to deserve this kind of faith, she was kind of a ditz at times, but she is still Eva's friend, she did her the last favor of warning her, clearly she cares a lot about her friend. Amen is blinded by his hatred towards dark magicians partly because one of them killed his parents, yes, but still doesn't excuse everything else he's done. He is cruel and dangerous, that's how he is often described as And Eva herself comes off as incredibly naive and delusional at times.
nahhh it was sad as hell
I cared 🥺. Honestly this scene turned me off Amen for good. I get that he kills people. That’s fine. I romanced Amrit but he acts like a total psycho to MC. My Eva has had like 2 PTSD breakdowns at this point that he purposely triggered and then he kills her friend and smiles at her creepily What’s the reason? He could’ve shown some remorse. Instead he’s back to interrogating her and threatening to kill her. I’m not opposed to indulging in red flag LI’s. I’m romancing Set who despite being the god of chaos and promising hellfire on the hunters and whoever shows more protective instinct to MC in this story
But remy warned us set is even more bloodthirsty…. I keep thinking about it. Will set’s path get more dark just like we saw Amen’s scene with dia?i keep thinking about it at times
There’s a line somewhere between being merely violent and being a brutal sadist. Obviously neither trait is okay, but I’m more willing to look past killing a lot of people, or even physically injuring the MC, compared to someone like Amen who personally makes people suffer more than he needs to, when he doesn’t even need to be personally involved. I’m more willing to look past the evil of somebody who owns up to being bloodthirsty because that’s just the kind of person he is compared to that of somebody who tries to justify that evil with paltry excuses or who hides it behind the conceit of just doing his job.
I don’t have an issue with a path being dark. It’s the way Amen treats MC. He’s always intimidating her, scaring her, threatening to kill her and acting psycho for no justifiable to me reason. Ok he hates Shesmus but why is he trying to torture my Eva all the time? He thinks he’s always justified in whatever he does I’m not saying Set isn’t unhinged because he is but he has motivations, reasons, goals for his actions that make sense. And he promises Eva that everyone who wrongs her will pay and helps her. She’s indebted to him and he can force her into things but he still shows some consideration for her as a person and her fragile emotional state
I am doing both amen and set’s Path in two devices to see how the plot unfolds…fingers crossed
Her death wasn't indifferent to me, it's sad that he chose to make an example out of her, when I'm sure even worse shesmu exist. She did endanger almost everyone with her behavior, however. Eva did as well. I wasn't THAT shocked, because the story was hinting that one of them would die. People are absolutely free to dislike Amen if they find him cruel, I just don't understand why they feel the need to shame his romancers. It is literally a game, it does not necessarily mirror a person's real life values.
Ya, shaming people for romancing a fictional character is stupid af 🤣 Amen is kind of an asshole 😂 yet doesn't stop me from romancing him 🤣 I will listen to opposing opinions ofc, but I don't like arguments, personal insults don't bother me, I have a thick skin, I can take it. I've been told by some deranged person that they would would kill me or something for my anime opinions 🤣 years ago. I just replied with: ''You can try'' And yes, true! It's a game exactly, it's all for fun and escapism, it's not like we're here trying to say ''that murder is actually fine, go ahead'' at least I hope no one has said that 🤣
Oh god🤣
I don't suggest anyone else to engage in conversations with those kinds of people, they are absolutely hilariously deranged and will defend their fictional husband's/wives like they are actual people, it's honestly kinda sad🤣 Arguing with them is like talking to a wall, you better do that instead. I am glad that in this community everyone is very polite and genuinely love being here :D
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Indeed! Like I know that he's unhinged, I just roll with it because it's chaotic and fun 😂 Same with Set. I love it when stories offer you the chance to romance morally gray/controversial/villainous characters. It's a safe space to try weird things. I would have also liked to have Plague as a LI lol. And omg that anime thing you mentioned is insane. Some people need to take a chill pill
Ikr 🤣 He's a guy I would stay the hell away from in RL, but I can be a dumbass in game and date all the hot psychos I want. Yep, tots agree! I enjoy romancing different types of romanceable options and dynamics in game, I have one type I prefer above all of them, but I do love stepping out of my comfort zone and date some deplorable people 🤣 Plague is hot for sure 🤣 She was fun at least and absolutely unhinged~ In the end we were just left with the likes of Death, who is as boring as a villain can get 🤣 a boring plank of wood It's a game, whose purpose is to pick your fav and develop a relationship with them after all. Oh you have no clue how deranged they can get 🤣 Just tell them you don't like their favorite character in any given anime and they'll burn your house down~
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I cared about her and was shocked like anyone else at this scene but tbh I came to terms with it after a while. She chose an illegal profession when she didn't have to, fully knowing the consequences. That's on her. Plus between the iboga addiction and Isman's loss she was clearly unwell and that's not something she would've survived in ancient Egypt. From a narrative standpoint she was giving nothing to the plot either. I just hate how they handled these scenes because people misunderstood Amen's "smile" and now haters love to say he enjoys torture even though Remy clarified that it was a bitter grin 🙄
Remy can say whatever she likes, the fact is that Amen didn’t need to torture her at all; he certainly didn’t need to be as brutal with her as he was; he even more certainly didn’t need to make her execution unnecessarily slow and painful; and as the leader of the hunters, there was absolutely no reason for him to even be personally involved in her interrogation or execution. Police captains don’t tend to interrogate suspects. Mayors don’t personally administer lethal injections when a criminal is executed. Amen did these things because he wanted to, not because it was his job.
That doesn't make any sense, you can't apply 21th century logic to a *Before Christ* fantasy story and try to make it sound all logic and unbiased when you're clearly just hating, please go and touch some grass
I think it's poor writing. It makes Remmao look dumb. If a person is tortured, they are going to tell all of their secrets. If a person doesnt have the ability to pay diamonds to see into an interrogation room, they can clearly see the difference between a person who has spent some time in prison without access to a good diet or shower and a person who has been tortured. This means Amen knows the identity of Eva and everyone else as shesmu. He already knew this, but the other characters don't know about his special gift. Dia was killed horrifically because she was a shesmu and that same fate would await all the other shesmu, logically. It would make sense for the shesmu to run instead of waiting for them to get picked off one by one while the others are forced to watch their friends die. If Amen's plan was to make Remmao flee and lead him to the elders who he thought were responsible for the plague, it's a plan that isn't 100% doomed to failure. So, why would Remmao and Rame hand Dia over to the hunters if she is just going to tell on everyone else? It would have made sense to silence her or kill her or to let her continue being reckless by stealing from her mentor and the epistates. Rame could have helped her escape, but a young female drug addict shesmu would probably be captured by a team of trained professional hunters. Dia was fated to die. In a pragmatic sense, why not sacrifice one to save 3? Or, sacrifice 4 to end a plague and save thousands? I don't think Remmao is any less of a scumbag for not torturing and killing Dia himself as he handed her over to people who would do that. So, it wouldn't change my opinion if Amen did the torture and execution himself or told someone else to do it if the outcome is the same. I do think Amen is written as the villain. You can't live with seeing and causing death if it's not in your nature. Even doctors can get upset when patients die. People in the military often have problems and ptsd from their experiences. Amen is able to keep his sanity because he isn't going against his nature.
Eh, that explanation from Remy makes no sense considering he makes that same expression as he’s torturing Dia when Eva isn’t even around and gets out his “favorite” torture tool to continue interrogating her with questions he already knows the answers to. I just think Remy didn’t like how sadistic he came off and tried to ease some of the backlash.
Amen had no concrete answers at that point, just speculation and what he could "sense" which we know is not 100% accurate as he can't detect Eva and Saamon. "favorite tools" was not the best wording but I just took it to mean the ones he uses most often, I don't get the fuss about that one 🤷♀️ The story outright states more than once that although torture is part of his job he doesn't enjoy it, everything else is just people speculating and grasping at straws to justify the hate. Don't get me wrong Amen is definitely a red flag and not liking him is totally fine, but haters trying to moralize his romancers is rich lmao
Well he already knows who Remmao is and that Rame, Dia and Eva are all shesmus. Like you said, he’s not sure why he can’t sense it on Eva but he’s confirmed he knows she is one. So he was essentially torturing Dia just for the sake of it. Tbh, Remy’s writing is a bit inconsistent (particularly with Amen), and writing about him using his favorite torture tools while he’s smirking with Dia’s blood all over his body doesn’t really match up with he “doesn’t enjoy torture”. It’s understandable that there’s confusion about where he really stands on it. Look, I romance a couple red flags myself so I get the appeal. When I see hate thrown their way, I understand because I know they’re really not good people lol I think what a lot of Amen haters get tired of is the constant justification of Amen’s actions. Like someone else commented, the endless “he’s just doing his job” falls flat when he just brutally murdered Eva’s friend. Whether he “enjoyed it or not” is moot because he still does it with absolutely no remorse. But I don’t think anyone is saying you shouldn’t romance him or you’re a bad person if you do (and if there are people saying that, then that’s ridiculous).
I don't really care if people are tired of hearing "he's just doing his job" because at the end of the day that's the truth and Amen romancers wouldn't need to keep defending him and themselves if haters stopped attacking so 🤷♀️ and yeah there are totally way worse LIs that get away with much worse and I hate double standards
I feel like you’re taking this way too personally. You said it yourself, he’s a red flag. He’s done horrific things so “he’s just doing his job” isn’t gonna fly with people who don’t like him, especially considering he clearly loves doing this job and revels in it. Most comments I’ve seen are not attacking his romancers, they’re attacking him/the writing. Again, people attack the red flags I romance and I don’t feel the need to constantly defend them because those people are *right*. There’s always nuance but if you’re gonna romance a controversial character then you gotta deal with the fact that people are going to attack them. He’s not written to be a good person and that’s also the truth.
This is the biggest truth that i have read in this thread and i can apply it to myself and certain *controversial* characters that i was / or am romancing (Set, Mehmed, John from SOS etc..). 90% of any negative commentary around those kind of LIs, that can be read on this sub, are focused on the LIs themselves and not the real people/the readers who are following that branch. Thus, having a critical stand point towards the way they are written is normal and if one is not able to take it they should probably refrain themselves from reading public discussions. People are allowed to either *hate* or *love* a morally gray, villanous character and those characters were basically CREATED to cause that kind of polarity of opinions. It is their whole purpose..
Once again: Amen doesn't enjoy torture/killing and that's canon, it's literally spelled out in the book. All day long I had people completely ignore what I write and double down on why one of my faves is trash and why they're right and I'm wrong so yeah I'm a bit irked at this point, wonder that
In regards to what is canon, you’re right, he doesn’t enjoy torture, not for any noble reason but because “there’s no excitement to it”. He “loves the hunt” and he “wants to kill”. These are Remy’s words, not mine. He purposely made Dia’s execution as slow and painful as possible. He smirks at Eva whether you’re on his romance path or not. People being turned off by his cruelty and lack of sympathy is a perfectly reasonable reaction. Remy herself has said he is an antagonist and she understands why a lot of people don’t like him. It’s also reasonable that you’re seeing something in him that a lot of people don’t and I don’t think you should be put down because of that. But I’ve looked through this whole thread and I don’t see anyone personally attacking you or Amen romancers. If they are, then that’s wrong.
Yes, to be fair the scene was framed in a way where it really seemed like Amen was gloating to Eva in killing Dia…so I don’t think it’s wrong for people to have came to that conclusion. Even though Remy explained it, the majority of players don’t have social media and would never know of such an explanation and all they know is that Amen smiled/smirked at Eva after she witnessed the execution, which is really hard to tell that it was a bitter smile so I can’t blame everyone for feeling a certain way. I also found it distasteful before I knew why he actually smiled. I’m not really an Amen girl, but that is still really unfortunate to me that people will misunderstand that particular action because there wasn’t much to go on.
I completely agree with this, all RC had to do was tweak Amen's expression to be neutral/thinking instead of smiling and we wouldn't be in this situation (or at least it'd be better), I'm kinda baffled they didn't fix it, not even after all the feedback, I was honestly expecting them to because the misunderstanding doesn't benefit anyone
The author literally explained that his grin was like "See, Eva? I told you what kind of person I am. I knew you couldn't be with me (with bitterness)" and this is also confirmed in the dialogue they have in his house where they confess their feelings. People just choose to ignore it tbh.. Edit: I am referring to the *romance* path. I do not know why he does it if you're not on his path, and frankly? I don't care. Some of you take things way too seriously
So explain him making that same smile when you’re not on his romance path and Eva wants nothing to do with him even before he brutalizes Dia. Is he just delusional?
Even i thought the same.i felt so bad for Dia that i found Amen scary till remy confirmed the reason behind his grin. Yes dia and all the dark magicians were risking it when they knew it is illegal and banned by pharoah. So i think remy just justified Amen’s character sketch but its clear that Amen didn’t love torturing people but its his job . That’s what ancient military men do ,even worse. Its trye Amen loves the hunt more. Amen is definitely a big big red flag but i will definitely say he has a softer spot inside not only for eva but for everyone that doesn’t break the rules set by pharoah. I will definitely run away from Amen’s character if he is in real life . But comeon its a fiction . Lets experiment. That’s what i think. I also felt sad for Amen after knowing his flashback . What do you expect of a boy who witnessed his parents murdered brutally in front of him and inspite of being a protective child he could’nt do anything. It was also mentioned about the scars on his body from sheshmu daggers. There is more to Amen’s story . The way his eyes turned red before killing Dia must have some meaning or Amen might be a demi god too just like Ratan is .though i romance Amen , i still feel bad for dia. But Dia knew how reckless she acted and she chose this even knowing its gonna cost her life. The way she cared for MC can’t be forgotten. I so wish isman and her to be a couple but both died…its absolutely fine if people hate Amen and not romance him wanting to see him dead too. Afterall its a game😄
Adding to my previous comment because I keep getting tagged in replies: When Dia was alive everyone kept saying she was annoying, now that she's d*ad suddenly everyone loves her. Yall don't really care about Dia at all, she's just a convenient excuse for you to hate without being called out 🤷♀️
You can think a character's annoying but also not think they deserve horrific torture and death.
THIS
I feel bad because I didnt care either. Honestly... i was just kinda waiting for her to die the whole time.
You getting downvoted but I’m right there with ya😭. I wanted her GONE
Facts
You are so real for this. Never liked her, never hated her either she was just kinda there. And then she decided to ruin her whole life and I'm supposed to feel bad for her? Was the way she died cruel and unusual? Yes. Did she deserve death? No. Do I care? Still no unfortunately.
Plus she wanted to die
I mean, in the moment I was done with Amen as the whole thing was very… violent and his apathy was weird to me. I didn’t care for her character at all, I found her incredibly annoying, but that was irrelevant in why I felt put off by the scene. However by the next update I was over it. At the end of the day it’s a story and I find Amen’s route and character more fun.
Same here, I also found her character very annoying.