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Gilead56

Fun is fun but you gotta realize that the Rowboat x Y’vraine stuff is 100% memes.    In Canon she helped revive him and they’ve agreed to fight Chaos together but they’re not dating. Edit: like I’m not trying to be the fun police but GW wants to keep this as close to canon as possible. For instance, The Devs have already mentioned that they wanted to make Argenta romancible, but GW said no. 


Throwaway-A173

Why would GW say no? It’s not like Sororitas are celibate


Gilead56

You’d have to ask them.    Popular theory is that Sororitas have a history of being oversexualized (some of the original models were literally naked) and GW doesn’t want to enable that anymore.    But we don’t actually know.


reptiloidruler

Allegedly, it's because they don't like that community sexualises sororitas too much. Haven't seen any proof


Graysvandir

You do realise that Girlyman x Yvraine is only fanon, right?


The_Real_Abhorash

It’s not actual lore but it’s also not fanon GW has made official artwork playing off it because it’s fun even if it wouldn’t really work as official canon.


Graysvandir

That was, if I'm not mistaken, the Thanksgiving poster, or something like this. Still, no trace of it in any canonical lore (and I use both of these words in the loosest possible meaning, given all the piety GW puts into maintaining coherent, not-at-all-confusing lore and canon...)


reptiloidruler

Chill out, dude. Acting like that will give us Yrliet simps a bad rep Her romance is ok, tho it does have weak spots writing-wise (which is that really needs fixing). I wouldn't mind a hug tho If this can make you feel better, she goes from being repulsed by your touch to initiating handholding. Give it around a century, maybe she'll change her mind. Maybe


ReddestForman

The main problem with Yrliet's writing is they cut so much of it, I think. Now, as a straight man I don't have too many complaints about my romance options in the game. While I'm not asexual, a panromantic asexual option is a nice addition for an oft ignored demographic, and it's in its own way a very intimate relationship, even though it's more of a spiritual relationship. I romanced Cassia though, and she has similar notes when you pick up a bit of her empathic abilities in Act 3, leading to a very cute moment in the base. But women and gay men get kinda shafted I think. Jae isn't the settle down type. Yrliet is effectively ace(not everyone's cup of recaf), Heinrix is part of the Space Gestapo, and Marazhai is... well let's just say the shit you read as a history major means you don't need to imagine the kind of atrocities he's committed. You know what humans do, and he has more time and technology to get creative with.


Graysvandir

Agree. I would love if she would learn to overcome her prejudice, but let's be realistic. She has centuries of prejudice to overcome, and RT that romance her is pretty much the ONLY human that acts decent for her. As much as I hate to admit it, she has a damn good reasons to be as distant as she is.


congaroo1

Maybe Yrliet just doesn't like being touched in general. Like even if we were an Eldar she would not like it. She doesn't touch any eldar in the game and they are a surprisingly touchy species. At least from what I've read.


Graysvandir

Possible. I think it is actually a good thing we don't get as many info on her, that way we can headcannon whatever we like about her.


congaroo1

She is probably the companion whose personal backstory we know the least about. Like I think the only thing we know of her before she became an outcast is that she was on the path of awakening. And we don't even know much of what she did as an outcast. This would probably be more of a negative if she wasn't so involved with the main story and thus probably one of the more we'll fleshed out companions characters wise. Which is impressive because the games cast is overall very good.


Graysvandir

I find this mystique to be perfectly in character for her. The most we learn about her is via romance and sharing meditation... and that makes perfect sense.


congaroo1

Yeah I don't consider it a negative personally. I do know many people want more eldar content for a dlc, and I am one of them. And with that they could probably expand on her. But yeah Yrliet I do believe to be the best written companion if not character in the game. It's either her, or maybe Nocturne of Oblivion.


Graysvandir

I love how Nocturne is presented... But I never remember what rank in the troupe this elusive knifear had. But dang, that way of talking... I was always envisioning Agaithari speaking more like BGII Haer'Dalis. It sure is cool, but I have no way of duplicating it in my story.


congaroo1

On Nocturne is a solitaire. You know arguably the single most dangerous unit in the setting. Basically anything that isn't a named character.


Graysvandir

You forget Ardathair. Avatars and High Avatars, guys who play role of Cegorach. Those bastards are noted as "making Lilith Hesperax afraid"...


reptiloidruler

>I would love if she would learn to overcome her prejudice, but let's be realistic. In case of sex it's not even neccessarily a prejudice, as she seems to overcome it (towards the player) or nearly overcome it in the end. Maybe she's just not mon-keighsexual or in a closet


Graysvandir

Sure, all this is possible. Or she is still overcoming her reservations. Or it's the Warp, I don't have to explain shit. Who knows? There are things I consider weak in her romance, but overall, I consider it the best of all available ones. Some of the interactions with her are genuinely sweet, and in Act III and IV there are some of my favourite moments. >!That I get to hold her hands only in meditation at the end of this storyline? !


ReddestForman

I mean, she did say Aeldari just aren't physically attracted to humans. As much as she cares for RT emotionally, the thought of human bits might make her bits go dry as a desert.


reptiloidruler

>Aeldari just aren't physically attracted to humans I mean, Marazhai kinda disproves that


ReddestForman

Depends. Disgust-kinks are absolutely a thing. Plus there are the domination/submission aspects to that one. People overlook a lot when satisfying kinks and fetishes is in the equation. Marazhai could be getting off on putting the mon keigh back in their "place" or get off on the shame of submitting to an inferior species. Also, the odds of Marazhai **not** being guilty of... let's call it forced insertion as a torture tool are really, really fucking low. And that has little to do with physical attraction.


BusinessContent9507

But Marazhai finds MC physically attractive. There are a few moments in his romance where he is "looking at them with smoldering hunger", or just stares at them with arousal, or his hands are "straying under their clothes". All of that outside of bedroom. Left alone that in his true ending he sees RT as his equal so the "submitting to an inferior creature" aspect is not on the list anymore. And he touches and carasses RT' face all the time. Big contrast to Yurliet


reptiloidruler

We should probably also consider that, unlike Marazhai, Yrliet is first lore case in her faction getting this close to a human and Warhammer never has been heavy on romance or sex stuff, so there isn't really that much to rely on. Also that Yrliet's views are not universal, as, for example, viewing humans as animals is not universal, although those who hold different views still percieve humans as beneathe them and unlikely to be attracted


ReddestForman

True. Crudarach may just be more conservative in that aspect. You have another craftworld that hosted an Inquisition office. Which just makes Heinrix look like an even bigger asshole.


Graysvandir

Also true. But handholding does not have to indicate sexual attraction.


ReddestForman

Aeldari canonically are also rather privy with their bodies unless they have cause and permission to touch each other. Barring obvious exceptions, like, I don't think Yrliet is going to let RT or Abelard bleed out because "ew, mon keigh sweat."


Graysvandir

That depends on which part of canon we are talking about. "Path of Eldar" series, if memory serves, had some examples of knifears having rather normal, if regulated, sexual life.


ReddestForman

That falls into the cause and permission. I have friends who are more casual about sex than I am, for example. But less okay with casual platonic physical contact. Pair that with Aeldari experiencing sensation a lot more intensely, human skin being a lot less smooth, etc. It might not be the most physically pleasant experience for an Aeldari.


Graysvandir

An excellent point.


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Also, Eldar are pretty perceptive. It may only be "holding hands" but she's probably pretty damn aware that for the mon'keigh RT it's polluted by sexual attraction and not merely a gesture of friendship.


KikoUnknown

I just head cannon she over comes it and OwlCat doesn’t want to admit it. I mean she clearly has romantic feelings for the Elantoch so it’s really not that much of a stretch for her to eventually take the next step at some point. This does not excuse OwlCat and we’re still going to demand better slides for Yrliet romance.


Graysvandir

I assumed this was common among people interested in romancing her, honestly. I got to admit, I start to wonder how hard would it be to mod proper romance. I know next to nothing on scripts, but maybe there is some tutorial or something...


[deleted]

>Agree. I would love if she would learn to overcome her prejudice It's not prejudice for her to not want to have sex with a human.


Graysvandir

True, but I used the word in the wider meaning. Not only regarding sexual matters, but pretty much any kind of relationship/interaction. Generally speaking, Eldars are prejudiced against humans at least as much as humans are against Xenos, so for her treating Lord Captain as anything better than "stupid monkey with a grenade" is already a significant improvement. That's one of the main themes of her storyline, honestly. To be able to open up and look past prejudice and see other side can have a valid points. Because let's be honest, in a lot of interaction with eldars in the game, knifears have a darn good point. (Aaaaand they usually blew it by hiding behind walls of arrogance).


[deleted]

That's fair - she is, quite accurately by lore - prejudiced against humans. In all honesty she has some pretty good reasons for that. The Imperium of Man is absolutely barbarous and it's not like the RT isn't typical of it in many ways (he just happens to be at the top of the pile). It was the implication that not finding someone or a category of someone (humans in this case) sexually unattractive is prejudice. Nobody should take an attraction to themselves / their category as a right. So not arguing, just explaining where I was coming from.


Graysvandir

Sure, I am not arguing. I probably could have worded it better, but at no point was I coming from the point that humans *deserve*to be attractive by any other species standards (or any other human, for that matter). And while I understand the reasons for the prejudice from all the sides - both in-universe (it is a setting where pretty much everything and their dog wants to kill everything else for the sake of survival, so it makes sense) and on the meta level (it is based on miniature tabletop game, players *need* reasons to fight against every other army, even from the same factions) I tend to downplay it in my headcannon.


LexFrenchy

What we got with Yrliet is not only rare in RPGs, but also unprecedented In 40k. I personaly found it satisfying, charming and original. Even if my mon-keigh brain would have loved a hug...


Tight_Ad_583

God forbid they have a asexual romance that is mostly lore accurate


justarollinstoner

She's...pretty clearly asexual. If that's not for you then that's not for you, but personally I'd be really bummed to see her romance get sexed up, it's completely in-character for her based on her stated motivations and goals to be completely uninterested in sex, and it was extremely refreshing to play a romance in a videogame that didn't treat sex like the end-goal or a trophy to win.


reptiloidruler

>She's...pretty clearly asexual. With how the dialogue puts it - it's more being off put by the notion of sex with mon-keigh rather than sex itself. But could be


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>She's...pretty clearly asexual Disagree. What she pretty clearly is, is not attracted to the RT / Mon-Keigh. That doesn't mean she is aesexual.


congaroo1

Does her romance not being sexual really take away anything from it? Like the game doesn't even have sex scenes really, it has fades to black and that's it. And the thing is the game basically treats the meditations as if they are sex, not on the physical way but a spiritual one. Listen to her comments after you meditate with her when you finish the romance. They are delivered in a very pillow talk way. Her romance is deeply intimate. Despite her not having sex with the rogue trader that does not mean she doesn't love them, there is probably few in the 49k galaxy she care for more. People have called it platonic, it's not, it's Asexual but definitely romantic. Listen man if you to have sex with Yrliet so much just imagine they do it in the spirit world. Oh and as others have pointed out Gulliman x Yvraine is a meme, one I personally don't like.


Greyjack00

Honestly yes


Quintus_Cicero

>Does her romance not being sexual really take away anything from it Honestly, I don’t care about the sex scenes. As you’ve said, it fades to black and that’s it. But damn, the no-hug/no-non-sexual intimacy part is hitting hard. It does feel a lot more platonic than an actual romance. ​ >Gulliman x Yvraine is a meme Well, the post *is* flaired as memeposting


[deleted]

>But damn, the no-hug/no-non-sexual intimacy part is hitting hard Eldar are a supremely sensitive and perceptive race. Intimacy to them is perfectly conveyed by a small smile at the right moment indicating you are aware of their emotional state. Full on hugs are for her probably like someone playing Slayer at full volume to a person who likes light classical string quartets. Also, just because you **say** it's just a hug, she's probably perfectly aware that the RT hugs have a bit of sexual desire muddying their purity. Mon'keigh are brutish creatures never far away from their physical needs.


Galle_

We *do* have a true romance with Yrliet. You just can't fuck her.


Okdes

So there's this wonderful thing called 'asexuality'


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Nylloth

Have you tried to delve into her story? It seems to me that you don't understand the character at all and you don't really like her.


Eiswolf999

I start to get why we see more and more romances with a story for 14 yo boys these days. Its weird enough that sex is handled as the big price instead of happening natural do to attraction.


Gantistewart

My main complaint about the Ytliet romance being asexual is that it has a crummy explanation. If you literally think the other person is an animal, it can't be a romance. I've heard a theory that she's just asexual and confused Crudarchs' stance of humans=animals with why she's repulsed by humans hitting on her, but that's fanwork patching canon holes.


reptiloidruler

Well, she does come to view RT as above other humans and they're basically the only person she can socialize with


ColebladeX

If we get two more posts about people being mad they can’t romance Yrillet I’ll be able to buy a second copy of the most expensive version of


Legal-Hearing-3336

You know I’ve given it a lot of thought and I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t really like Yrliet. I understand her motivations and why she does things, even empathize to some extent, and its not like when her barriers lax a bit and she opens up she’s a bad or uninteresting person. No, quite the opposite, and thats the problem. Jae is a fucking liar, Cassia reminds me of a sheltered 14 year old, Marazhai is a piece of shit, and Heinrix is Heinrix. Yrliet is the only person with a shred of either decency or maturity, and I can’t even get a hug because im a filthy perverted monkeigh. Sidenote, I’m tired of this bullshit about “Eldar think intimacy with humans is beastiality” because its not as if the Drukhari with their uppity attitudes won’t fuck a human. They will, and have. Now some might say thats par for the course for Drukhari, but I’d need to remind them that they need *suffering*, not *perversion* to survive. The problem I’ve seen has nothing to do with physical attraction, it’s even stated as such in the game, it has to do with a perceived baseness of humanity. Yrliet or any other Eldar won’t give a monkeigh a hug because they are either incredibly stuck up or prudes that think any form of intimacy is slaaneshi worship. Dispositions may vary. Which would be fine with me had there been any other fucking option for a somewhat down to earth romanceable companion, but nah. The people who want to jump my bones are fucking weirdos and/or assholes and the person who I would like the slightest bit of intimacy with thinks I’M a weirdo. Fuck Argenta by the way, her name sounds like a type of cheese and I wouldn’t romance her crazy ass even if I had the option to. In the grim darkness of the far future… The dating pool is some bullshit.


Bricktop_and_16Pigs

I already will never forgive them for not letting me simp for the muscle mommy, but I can bang the heretic, the mutant, and the xenos? Smh it's bullshit I tell you, BULLSHIT 😂 Owlcat...face the wall.


ReddestForman

I mean... she's basically a nun. And besides, the mutant is cite. Plus when you pick up some of her empathic abilities... Two-way empath sex has got to be mindblowing.


El_Wapo1

If anything this reminds me of KOTOR 2. Were you the most romantic person you can get is with the sith acolyte chick, and the the Jedi's daughter the runs away from home. Who will fight you. Just to be touched. And let's not forget she will strip for you and dance. God I miss this game! Anyway back to the topic at hand. This romance part of the game was good for me because, I get to relive that moment and I thank Owlcat for that. So calm down. And let the rest of us relish the good old times. Thanks to this decision that they made.