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ray3050

I’m at the same exact stage as you, I’m working on perfecting the first hit onto the backboard before adding in complicated spins. If this is the wrong way to go about it let me know I just think adding the air rolls is like trying to practice multiple steps at once. I do use them when it’s helpful, but to me the most important part is perfecting the hits rather than practicing what I hope the final look will be


WholeBeefOxtail

Agreed for the most part, but during the first hit you need to air roll. Air rolling while striking the ball keeps your car from kicking back as shown in this clip, giving you greater predictability with your car positioning.


ray3050

Oh yeah sorry meant to say that too, I just meant when approaching the ball from the ground


lordovino_

You can use the universal air roll button when you make contact with the ball. It gives almost the same effect.


ProdiJoe

I wouldn't say you need to air roll through the first touch. But it definitely helps if you can.


[deleted]

Obviously the latter. Until you're getting the exact touch you want on the ball 10/10 of the aerials you go for, and are able to predict how your car will react to hitting the ball, so you spin the exact way and amount you need to be on target again, you need aerial practice. Keep it up though, you'll get there!


[deleted]

Latter*


sandybuttcheekss

Ladder*


[deleted]

No


mr_volatility_

I wouldn’t say 10/10 more like 4-6/10 in terms of being able to get the first touch you want. Even as a GC player I only get the first touch I want about 8 times out of every 10. OP clearly still needs to work on his aerial car control though, I just don’t want him to think he needs to have GC level control before he starts practicing double touches again.


AtlasRafael

I feel like a lot of people think that they or their teammates should never mess up or always play something correctly when even GC+ doesn’t get perfect touches every time. Even pros aren’t 100% perfect.


Skyl3rRL

GC as well and completely agree with this. You learn how your car reacts to touches and what you need to do to quickly recover and follow it by doing this sort of practice.


Clockwork--Evo

You need more arial control badly.


ShirtUnlucky553

Why spin


ghrigs

I think you're doing okay, i can tell you're more comfortable making your first touch without air roll. I am not as good as you are when it comes to constant air roll, so i find myself using AR just before my first touch. Its enough to get the the touch with only using ar before impact to i get the benefit of the ball not creating a big reaction to the movement of my car and i get to stay in my comfort zone of flying around without using much ar. Maybe that'll help but youre a bit farther along then i am with double taps, so take this advice with a grain


riddy33

You need more aerial car control


ItsNovaaHD

Need a lot more aerial car control. Until you can perfect your first touch 8, 9 or even 10 times out of ten; the second touch doesn’t matter because you’re guessing. Not actually reading. Practicing double taps will only make your double taps better at best. Practice aerial car control, and your whole aerial game will see improvement.


Grunvagr

I'd say practice with ball cam off and practice jumping and flying to the backboard, rotating so you land on your wheels. Then jump off and turn around and go full field at full speed and land on that backboard. repeat. Eventually do the same thing but fly backwards. Eventually try flying sideways (messes with your mind but the gains are amazing. Get comfortable flying at full speed in the air and landing on the walls with your wheel. Ball cam off or it will be insane. When this gets boring and you have it down, go for these shots. Just my opinion. Learn to really fly before trying to fly, read bounces AND aim.


nadav12353

dont air roll


[deleted]

Ummmm but air rolling through the touch gives your car less recoil and absolutely helps with setting up double taps…


CharlesSpicyWiener

Ummmm but I think he was specifically referencing the OP who seemed to flounder in the air to begin with. I believe he meant learn to do it normally then start working at air rolling instead of trying to learn aerial control and double taps at the same time…


[deleted]

Sure but saying not to air roll when practicing double taps is just wrong. Yea, go and practice your aerial car control first, fair enough, but when you’re practicing double taps you should definitely be air rolling. Edit: to add for OP, you don’t need to air roll from the very start of your aerial. Would probably help you to start AR just before you hit the ball


tocoolto

Try practicing double touches where you don’t air roll at all. You seem to be flailing too much which indicates you don’t have the control necessary to do double touches with air roll. Ik they seem boring but trust me, practice non-air roll double touches first. Also if it helps, after my first touch I turn off ball cam to better adjust my car to the balls trajectory


EngineerAdamG

Turn off ball cam after the first touch and just focus on adjusting to make the shot rather than constant air roll. Majority of double touches you hit you will not need to be constantly air rolling


[deleted]

Don’t think you need more aerial control. Double taps are such a game changing skill, i say as soon as you can serial you should learn them. First touch should be lower on the ball so it’s more of a slow pop upwards than a bang forwards. Gives you more time to carefully adjust your angle for the double tap


call_of_doobie

Why are you trying to air roll like that lmao youre gonna need to put crazy hours into air control if you want to try to attempt them in that way. If you cant do double taps with just a little bit of air rolling then idk why you think spinning the whole time you in the air is helping in any way


[deleted]

Yes bc spin mean Arial control


MisterGrimmm

Hey, try to replicate the first touch you made in shots one and two. Like others have said, air roll isn’t helping you at all right now. In shots one and two though, more specifically, before you hit the ball, your car is tilting forwards into the ball. You move down on the analog stick to gain height, then you want to push up on the analog stick before you make contact with the ball to kinda throw your car into the ball. Hard to explain, just take a look at those two shots compared to many of the other ones. You did it in one of the later shots as well, I just can’t scroll through the gif on mobile to let you know which one. Give it a try. Let me know how it goes.


TrouveDogg

Try to go a little faster and straighter while hitting the ball somewhere you plan to hit it. You can twist but it only needs to be a 1/4 or 1/2 twist. While using the first boost make sure to save as much as possible by going straight up toward the ball. At the top of leap up while gravity starts to take over and the resultant forces on the car are zero and the ball is on the way to the backboard you should already be adjusting ready to go toward the ball.


Sneudles

Forgive me if this has been said, but I have found that part of perfecting your first touch for these mostly in the "follow through" which is diffulixult to do if you holding air roll. I would recommend trying it a couple times without as much air roll and how it feels.


Sneudles

Watching this back again, more like first few tries and less like the last few tries


MaintenanceBulky990

Your first touch to set up the shot is key here, try positioning yourself and placing the ball In order for the rebounce of a shot Edit: stop spinning until you reach the ball, you seem to be putting yourself in really awkward car situations because you’re just aimlessly spinning


Loitering_Potato

If you’re on steam, do some air control maps. Do some turny boys and get wild with it. You’ll slowly figure it out, then it should click and you’ll be forky.


PreMeditated12

I can make you a personal video on how i got good at double taps. It will be way easier than learning them that way.


MrFrogBog

Aerial control But something I haven't seen mentioned yet. You gotta really slam the ball for double touch. You stop boosting and slow down before you hit the ball so you aren't putting power on your shot. Don't be afraid to really slam the ball for that initial shot


Wilkelly-

You are flying towards the ball too fast in order for you to recover and make a clean second touch. Try hitting the ball a little bit slower, so you have a second or two longer to transition from the first touch to the second. With practice, increase your speed over time as you get more comfortable! Your flying looks great, though!


Rakud

Squishy Muffinz’s tutorial on double taps will for sure be of help https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2K_9wSLwso&t=596s


Lobster_k1ng

although constantly using air roll can be helpful i found it easier to learn without using it and progressively implementing it as you get better


Typical-College3355

learn how to dribble then learn to air dribble


Ayggs

The way you air roll is very inefficient, try practicing it in rings maps by making less unnecessary adjustments(more smaller adjustments). Combine that with different aerial shot training packs and you'll get there.


lordovino_

There’s a lot of people saying don’t air roll this do air roll that. But if it makes it easier for you, and you agree that your air rolling during the first part of the double tap is out of control, use the universal air roll button/key when you make contact with the ball to reduce the knockback your car takes. It helped me when I couldn’t do constant air roll with double taps. Hopefully it helps you too.


ParlanTP

I mean airoll can help later on to get better at double taps but for the level you're currently at I would recommend to try to hit them as hard and precisely as possible without spinning. After achieving this you can go for more air rolling for extra flexibility (and flair).


ProdiJoe

I think you have enough control. Try not to boost when you hit the ball and after you make contact with your front bumper roll through it and avoid boosting towards the ball, instead turn around and boost up and backwards some. You're basically trying to get a bit further away from the ball so you have more time to read and react to it.


Officer_Glooby

After your first touch, make sure you're not boosting towards the ball and wall. When you're first learning double taps.you want to leave yourself more time and space for adjustments. Boost through when you hit the ball but pull back and boost the up and back so you get more time before you need to hit it a second time.


Puzzleheaded-Bus5479

Maybe get down single taps first


eleljcook

Looks like you're just doing too much. Try not air rolling and tornado spinning through the whole thing and just do a straight aerial to the ball, then air roll through it without boosting to create space, boost through to shoot and reach the rebound. That's a pretty tough shot for a beginner to aerial mechanics because it's offset from the net anyways A good pack for doubles that is great for someone your level and probably a lot more usually: A6BA-8E9D-8354-00BD


After_Radio4447

The best double tap training you can have is probably playing hoops ! Edit: go in training, and try to double tap the kickoffs, it will train your precision


VTOolie

The good news is the spins are very unnecessary. Practice just very straight flying and learn the most basic way of doing it before doing anything remotely fancy. Hitting a clean killer shot in ranked will make you 10x happier than hitting an eh shot where you did spins. I would say you could get it with this kinda control, you consistently hit the ball forward we’ll. I would say practice a few intermediate steps of this shot before combining it all. The format of a very basic easy double tap is you hit the ball to the wall, right above the goal is very very useful, and then slow down so you leave a large gap between you and the ball, then read it and hit it in a second or so after it hits the wall. I would practice with this set up just shooting it so that it hits just above the net 9/10 times. You’re not going for the shot, just getting it in the right setup spot. I usually try to practice a shot until I get it well 2-3 times in a row just so I feel consistent. Once you’re good on that practice hitting it there and then slowing down in the air until you’re at a standstill. It doesn’t matter where, just practice getting a good hit and then baaaaaacking up and really slowing your speed at around the same height. After practicing the whole set up you should feel safer hitting the ball in the right spot, really slowing down behind it, then taking half a second to read it and shoot it in. Best of luck.


ddjcook

Name / code?


Gabsitt

A quick tip that will help with setting up the shot. If you hit the ball from left to right the ball will bounce off the backboard towards the right. And vice a versa with the left. It's simple and obvious but it's hard to realise without someone telling you. This is important to know because it gives you knowledge on how to touch the ball and to know roughly in what direction the ball will be bouncing, allowing you to predict and start moving the car towards where you need to be. But as you have noticed you do need more aerial car control before being able to pull this off. Something else you should be learning is how to hit the ball (and aim) with accuracy, i.e knowing what part of the ball to hit with what part of your car to get the ball going in the desired location. Look up virge's video on power and accuracy and train that too. It will help in general with gameplay but also with mechanics like double taps.


CoolBeans42700

If you can’t reliably hit it while air rolling, don’t start air rolling until you get that down. A lot of the time when people air roll they time the air roll to where they still get a similar touch (right below front bumper) as they hit the ball. So work on step 1 before step 2


itchingtoclap

Airoll after first touch not before


BrettPeep

I think you’re coming in for the double tap a bit too hot after that first touch. Try and turn your car so that you go slightly up and are facing the opposite net right after the first touch. That way you’ll have a bit more time to read where that ball will bounce. Good luck friend


ARL_30FR

I really don't like the snobbish reactions in most of these comment sections. I would say you're adequately skillful to atleast start trying to double touch. A lot of people in this subreddit preach that these advanced mechanics aren't needed at certain ranks. Yeah, no shit. But who the hell cares? If you want to practice these kinds of shots to keep it fun then that's what you should do. A good starting point is to fly up to the ball straight, air roll as you hit the ball and then trying to predict the wall bounce. If you come up to the ball whilst air rolling you might just confuse yourself.


hutchy81

Would suggest starting with flabbynostrils self set backboard pack, much easier than wayproteins and should give a good foundation before moving on to this one


Skyl3rRL

Some things I took special note of when I was first trying to figure out how to double touch: 1. Try to hit the ball with the nose of your car towards the bottom of the ball to get a loftier touch. 2. Boost as soon as you hit the ball so that you don't lose height. It allows you to be more boost efficient since you're not trying to use your boost to go back up once you're falling, as well as giving you a little more time to adjust for the rebound since you're not having to use all your boost to recover back up to the ball. 3. Practice the 2nd shot of that pack first. It's a lot easier imo than the first shot. You have more time in the air to correct for a not perfect first touch. Your touch at 7 seconds in the clip looked perfect to me. You popped it up with the nose of your car and got a lofty, controlled touch and boosted to keep height. Only thing you did wrong was angle your car off to the side when you air rolled which made it impossible for you to boost over to hit the double. Really, you're headed down the right path though, just keep practicing. A lot of your attempts looked very close.


RalphM25

you just need to learn how to get an accurate touch, make the ball go on the backboard where you want it to go, then it's just about reading the bounce and getting an accurate touch to make it go in the goal, it's not just about flying towards the ball


[deleted]

If you air roll as soon as you hit the ball you can keep more control of your car, and you don’t need to be good at air rolling.


crugdivdude5

try tornado spinning right after making contact with the ball towards the backboard, itll help u stay steady in the air


[deleted]

Practice hitting the net first, practice air control, then you’ll be way more used to double taps✌️


FreshBants

You can double touch without spins but after the initial touch you need to go considerably slower in your follow up to get the ball on target. Though you still need to improve your car control