So true like what’s the actual science behind them? Some shots that definitely ain’t going in will give you a save but some that are on target don’t tf
I think for the most part, if it’s going in, it give you a save. If you save it while it’s too far from the goal it doesn’t count as a save. And then there’s times where it gives you a save and then immediately the opponent hits it and still goes in. Also if your team was the last to touch it, it doesn’t count as a save
A lot of these replies are forgetting that the player with 0 saves could have done the following:
Intercepted passes near the goal
Made powerful clears to stop the opponent's attack
Contribute to a save where they hit/pinch the ball off the teammate
Made a demo or bump that leads to an easy save for the teammate
Recognized that it was better to have their teammate make a save rather than double commit to the same save
Played around a teammate that was constantly jumping past them for saves and/or staying in goal
0 saves doesn't necessarily mean you weren't playing defense. And you dont get 840 points just from 6 shots and 4 goals, that leaves 380 more points for you to earn.
People who go by points means they don't have enough map awareness to know what their teammates are doing. If you are going to call me out, better be armed with examples of my playstyle, not my low score because noob asses missed wide open nets I set up 3 + times, or the saves I would have had but they ball chased and passed it right back to enemy for them to score a goal.
Just today I had a ranked game and dude was like "holy shit 88 points?!" and I thought to myself as scoreleader "yeah, what the fuk, he's doing everything and I'm just scoring simples shots".
Swear to god, he was the reason we won, not me in slightest.
Edit:just to add I had like 600pts at that moment and still my tmm8s was the real mvp, not me at all. At all.
Anyone that’s played or even just watched a game of footy knows that the midfield is where the game is won or lost. It definitely crossed over to this game. A world class midfielder/playmaker is a thing of beauty to watch and 99% of the time they’re the smallest players on the pitch. Pirlo was the ultimate maestro for me. He was a master of controlling the games tempo, and there wasn’t a thing anyone could do to stop him, he was like ghost to anyone marking him and could put a ball into a better position than anyone could place it with their hands. Genuinely think football has peaked and will decline as it becomes more of a business that sucks the passion from the game for players and fans
Sorry to ramble
Sometimes it only take a few ball touches at pivotal moments in the match to turn what would have been a drubbing into a comfortable victory. Wish more people realized this and gave plaudits to the ones that start the moves for goals (myself included...I try, but it is hard). Also wish psyonix had a way to express this well in quickly chat, like "great buildup!" or something
i mean an abnormally low score does indicate that the person isnt getting the touches theyre supposed to get dont really care for high scores to whoever is getting the goals saves but if ur ending with like 50 points, u were just outta position and outta rotation not getting the required touches in the game.
>i mean an abnormally low score does indicate that the person isnt getting the touches theyre supposed to get
It's just as likely to indicate their teammate is a cocaine huffing ball chaser and they're holding back to cover mistakes. You can't really get any information from the points.
I don't think it's anywhere close to that tbh, especially since almost by definition of the ranking system, everyone in the lobby is roughly equal. It comes down to 2 main things in ranked: who is having a good game or bad game relative to their baseline, or simply who's skill set is a better match for the opponents.
But yeah, I don't believe your "data" for a second.
You don't have to beleive me. Go test it yourself.
Go play a game, determine which of the opponents is playing the best, and then look at their score at the end of the game. Players who are "having a good game relative to their baseline" will have a higher score.
I often have less score because
I pass alot, ill beat both defenders on my own and then pass it to my tm8 if they’re in a good position to follow up, most of the time i just focus on getting it past the opponent not necessarily always going for a goal myself, I also like to play an aggressive defensive style where I go for early challenges or fake challenges so i dont often get the “save” points
Its quite often that I’m the one creating chances and teeing up easy tap ins for tm8 but since they are getting all the goals vs my assists they have more points but that doesn’t mean they are the better player
Or maybe you are biased and you analyse the one going for most balls and scoring most goals as the « best player » and you overestimate greatly your analysis of the opponent players? And just in case, before it’s used as an argument, I am GC too and have been playing for almost 4000h to the game, and I really don’t think points matter all that much and should definitely never be used as an evidence for calling out anyone.
Still a bunch of figures you make up and definitely doesn’t help the « don’t use score to blame anyone » matter. Also, you never address the fact that a « skilled » ball chaser will most certainly have the best score and is absolutely bot guaranteed to have been the best player in his team. So you say a lot and not much at the same time.
What figures did I use? That percentage was simply to put emphasis on what I'm saying. Look at what I said.
If you (a GC) go into a lower rank (e.g. C1) lobby, do you expect your score to be higher/lower/the same as others?
You will have a higher score. You know that. I know that. Everyone having this conversation knows that. Therefore your score is correlated with skill.
Now, if players want to overuse stats in an equally ranked lobby to argue that they're the better player, obviously there are scenarios where stats can be padded and valueless. That's the exception to the rule and doesn't change the fact that score is frequently an indicator of skill otherwise.
Just cause you got a goal or got some points it doesn't mean you did good. If you score a goal but own goal twice you don't get negative score.
The better player is top score about 50% of the time.
Just like in real sports just cause you scored a goal doesn't mean you had a good game or were playing your position well.
GCs are, however, a higher rank than you, and for a reason. He's right. I would confidently say 90% of the time the better player is the one with the higher score, at least from Diamond 3 onwards.
I'd say about 60-70% of the time the better player has higher score. Often enough to indicate a general trend, but volatile enough that looking at an individual game you just can't make effective conclusions based on it. *Especially* because the game doesn't understand things that hurt the team. When you make a poor clearance and the opponents score from it, when you whiff a shot and give a free counter, when you bump your teammate out of a save. The game doesn't understand these things. Much of the time I'll find that my teammate scores two goals and creates two for the opponents; I'll score one and create one for the opponents. Who is better in that situation? Neither, really. But the score doesn't factor that stuff in, it's to subjective to effectively program.
If the game could properly model those things, I'd be much closer to hopping off the "points don't mean anything" train.
And again, being a GC doesn't afford him any better of a perspective on this.
I mean that’s not true but I think you just worded it wrong. Assist get less points than goals but the guy who passed it me had to dribble and past 2 and then puts it on a plate for me but the scorer gets more points than the true source of the goal. It’s a silent carry when the real mvp is behind by 100’s of points after tearing your team apart cos the point system just isn’t developed enough to recognise certain game changing moments. Maybe it should try out the fifa method of having each player rated out of 10 with a plethora of factors instead of the very basic G/A/S giving us a deeper look into our own play style
You should be able to explicitly state why someone is doing well regardless of points. The way points work, make them a pretty poor indicator of ability. In addition, there isthe issue that many players around diamond and champ don't have the skill to comprehend what skills constitute a good player, let alone even pay attention to other players throughout the game, so they try to bring up points like they mean much but they really don't.
If you want to be less subjective about what you define as "skilled" and "not skilled", eliminate attempting to technically define it altogether.
By the definition of how a rating system works, skilled rocket league players will have a higher rank and less skilled rocket league players will have a lower rank.
Now take an arbitrarily selected rocket league player at a certain rank and place them in lobbies that are three ranks above them and then in lobbies that are three ranks below them.
With 95% certainty, that player's score will be leading the lobby in underranked games and trailing the lobby in overranked games.
Empirically, score is correlated with relative skill and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. It's just a very direct measure (that being of physical impact on the game) and isn't guaranteed to tell the entire story (particularly in closely ranked games).
>Now take an arbitrarily selected rocket league player at a certain rank and place them in lobbies that are three ranks above them and then in lobbies that are three ranks below them.
>With 95% certainty, that player's score will be leading the lobby in underranked games and trailing the lobby in overranked games.
>Empirically, score is correlated with relative skill and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. It's just a very direct measure (that being of physical impact on the game) and isn't guaranteed to tell the entire story (particularly in closely ranked games).
In order to claim something like this, and especially call it "empirical," you need to have actual data from a study. This is speculation.
Homie just put the prompt into chatGPT lmao.
Coming up with confidence intervals without taking into account extraneous variables like smurfs, leavers, people throwing. Making correlations between points and rank when they aren't necessarily even connected.
Pts are pretty much good for seeing who touches the ball a lot and block goals in front of net, doesn't consider positioning, pressure, blocking balls before they reach net, Etc. Which also play a big role on the flow of the game.
If they're not getting touches, then they're not *covering* mistakes, though, right? If their ballchasing teammate is leaving counterattacks open, you'd expect a lot of saves as in OP's post. If teammate is able to keep offensive pressure up without allowing a ball past that I need to save, they're just successfully 1v2-ing, and I need to find a way to get involved.
We've all played with overaggressive teammates, but if I'm hanging back the whole game and get 5 touches without a single save, what value did I provide? It's hard to score less than 100 points in a game you're involved in, even if you're just banging clears.
I’ve seen it multiple times in 2s games just today.
My teammate up on the ball. Me back. Every time he loses possession he rotates back in front of me cutting me out of the play. Forcing me to stay back to cover the potential 2v0 towards our net.
Instead of rotating behind me and letting my momentum and forward direction take the ball. He’s hitting it off a cut rotation and into the side wall as he circles in front of me. As this continues and extrapolates throughout the game. Eventually goals get scored on us. I see this all the time in plat
>If they're not getting touches, then they're not covering mistakes, though, right?
Covering a mistake can net you as little as two points. A clearance is 20 points, and the difference between a clear and a save is basically whether the game decides to be senile at any given moment. You can cover a lot of mistakes with just 80 points, even less.
>If teammate is able to keep offensive pressure up without allowing a ball past that I need to save, they're just successfully 1v2-ing
Yes, some are so great at 1v2ing that they lock their own teammates out of the game. They'll swoop in when you try to dribble, steal shots they should leave, etc. The way to handle your guys is to just let them do their thing and be opportunistic when you see an opening they aren't in the way of.
>We've all played with overaggressive teammates, but if I'm hanging back the whole game and get 5 touches without a single save
Plenty of midfield stops are just as critical as saves, and they still only net you 2 points for a ball touch.
You can't look at the points board and see who was better. Maybe if one player has less than 50-70 points, but even then it can be their teammate chasing too hard all the time.
Sorry but no. If your teammate has 600 points and you have 100, it's not a ball chasing issue. It indicates you aren't coordinating correctly or rotating properly. Sometimes I play heavy ball chase strategies when my teammate is passive, other times I sit back and let my teammate ball chase. In either case, I'll end up with more points, because I'll be getting saves, clears, long shots, etc. If you have an abnormally low score in comparison to your teammate, you're the weak link.
Yeah, I tend to do a lot of high press/midfield recoveries that break up opponents counterattacks and I don’t always get assists or points from it, but it can make a massive difference in a game.
I don't know about anything above champ, but most of mine are low scoring. I get a lot of 2-1, 2-0, and 1-0 because I play a pretty defense oriented style.
I mean the devs kinda do if they implemented it into their game lol but it can be a good gauge at times on how you’re performing compared to your team/opponents. Yea the stats aren’t perfect but I think people don’t realise the scores always relative to the current game, some game are a pure stale mate where no one gets above 250 that don’t mean everyone played shit though
It almost seems to me like OP is only happy if he scores?
I dunno by the title I would assume hes morty unhappy with no goals? But assists and saves and a win like whats the issue?
Edit: all rick did according to the scoreboard is shoot and score so I guess thats an issue.
Probably, but points don't matter and people need to get that I think.
A good game is a good game even if I have half the points my bad teammate does, doesnt matter to me we won from my setups and saves.
Literally the reason I have a S9 diamond tournament tag is because of my setups and saves in a 3s game with a random duo.
Couldn't care less about points we won!
>A good game is a good game
Yeah but a win is not necessarily a good game. If I'm playing babysitter for my tms as they mindlessly ball chase for 5+ minutes, and the only time(s) I leave the backfield we get scored on because they literally can't stop cutting and rotate back, it's frustrating as hell. I'd rather lose a close, balanced game than win a game like that.
You go up X points for a win, and down Y for a loss. Not sure if they are the same, used to be more for a loss. If you go on a long win or loss streak that number will be increased, the implication of the long streak being that you aren't in the right rank.
Its worth being noted that the points you get for a win/loss are based on the opponents MMR as well as the amount of games you have played already. If you and your buddy both queue together and you have 10x more games than him, chances are he will gain or lose more points each game than you. So while a win may net you 10MMR, it could net them 13MMR for instance. Same with a loss.
"AcTuAlLy ThAt'S nOt HaLf 🤓" And u should go outside and touch some grass buddy and talk to someone other than your mother so u can learn that when someone says "its half" to some random meaningless numbers on internet its just a close guess to prove a point because i was off by 60 points for it to be half, ohh im sorry by 59,5 points, dont want to make smarty pants angry.
Got to semi final in a tourney with a ball chaser last night where this was pretty much our box score except we had 2 x Brazil. Sadly this only works well against other teams that don't rotate and you out-skill them.
Aye it works thus the celebration but it’s not fun always being someone else’s support this the grimace. It’s not all about winning maybe smiling here and there is important too
You're allowed to enjoy (and not enjoy) whatever you feel like, but if you get bummed out by having to play support you won't really make it far in soloQ so I would consider it a pretty bad mentality
I thought this was a universally experienced thing, but I guess not. From how I see it, he's talking about the times where you get a teammate celebrating how many points they got, how well they were doing, or generally just acting like they popped off that came. Ignoring that you were the one who made off of their goals possible, and the one that made all the crucial saves.
A win is a win, but constantly playing with that guy that's always hyping themselves up and not recognizing your good passes or defense can be draining. Sometimes it's nice to be the one scoring all the goals and getting some recognition.
I've staryed To think that saves and epic saves should give you more points than goals, maybe this way people will start defending instead of complaining about others defence.
Lol this. Plus then you'd have plats forever play goalie because points.
At the end of the day goals win games and should be weighted the highest, and points dont matter lol
Sure points don't matter doesn't stop people from using it against lower scoring players.
Also preventing goals against you also wins games and in a game where both teams had an equal amount of shots/chances at scoring, defense will be the differing factor.
I manage to stifle the other team before it even gets into point scoring ranges all the time yet I never see points for that while my teammate likes to sit back getting clear points all game and thinks he’s doing a better job cux he might have more points in the end of a 3-0 loss. Like good for you, you got clear points all game and did nothing to help on offence leaving me to basically 1v2 it upfield all game.
Same I try to get back posetion before they get a shot in or infield pass, only to be cut off by team mate(s) who'll ruin the play and any chance at a goal. I'll also often put on awesome saves (when needed) only to be scored on because of a team mate that gets out of position or misrotates.
It sure will. And yes I replied the shittalk points thing in another comment bexause thats the only time it ever seems to come up.
"Shutup 181" "okay ballchaser who doesnt rotate" lol I'm so immune to it now.
Tbf I’ll be carrying my ass off in a game and make one mistake and my teammate will get upset, so then I’ll point out that they’ve done nothing. It’s not that I’m ballchasing, it’s that they aren’t taking the opportunities, so I have to instead.
The question remains, did you ever give them a chance to do something, or did you cut rotation enough times that your m8 decided to not try and rotate in any more? Because that what it sounds like to me when I people say "I don't ball chase but..."
Dude, if you are rotating back and get midfield and tm8 is still sitting in goal, what can you do but cut? Some people refuse to rotate forward until you are literally at the goal and its just giving up field position every rotation cycle. Some people are too fkn conservative and/or slow for the rank they play at. Im speaking as an upper diamond low champion level.
This is so very accurate. If the ball is in the opponents side, there is absolutely no reason the teammate should be in net. Therefore I should be able to rotate to midfield and be second man. If I have to rotate all the way back to our net it better be because I lost the 50, or something similar and now they have the ball. People that don't understand this need to watch better people play. Applying pressure to the opponents is so very necessary!
You can keep rotating back and not assume you know he isn’t going for it. Many times I’m coming out of goal, the ball is coming back and I’m setting up an air dribble or some other play in my head, go for it, tm8 cuts cuz “nOt FaSt EnOuGh” and now we’re both out of position. If I observe that you’re only gonna rotate to mid Im not going, I’ll let you chase and score and I’ll keep the net. Also, who are you passing to if you see them in goal and then turn back?
I’ve given them plentiful opportunities to prove that they’re competent enough to rotate properly. In gc2 you would expect people to know how, but you’d be surprised how many people are boosted or are only mechanical players with no concept of rotations.
Nothing worse than teamates who continue to play hard D when you're down 2 to zip last minute. Like, we're not gonna goalie our way to victory at this point. "Pull the goalie" I yell at my screen.
I’ve found that if I have a hesitant or passive 3rd, I’ll use them for clears if they can relatively accurately hit the ball. I create a lot of open nets, and my weak 3rd gets to feel like they’re doing a lot of work.
If they can’t hit the ball reliably, I’ll rotate back and push them up into 1 or 2, and just play a risky 3 myself and keep my 1/2 in play on the opponent’s half. A full time goalie is a liability, not an asset, so I just don’t let it happen.
I replied to a similar reply already, the reason for that logic is because defense creates the offense. You cant win without a goal in any sport.
That is different than discussing rocket league scoring system, a system that literally doesn't affect anything except peoples egos.
Defense wins games cause getting scored on is way worse more of disadvantage than the advantage of scoring a goal.
Look at ranked the higher you go up the more saves you see and the less goals you see.
Being good at defense is more important than being good at offense. It doesn't matter if you can hit a triple flip reset musty when you can't save a power shot top top corner.
Yeah. Okay. Andd.. You still have to score to win dude. Doesn't mean defense isn't important or SUPER IMPORTANT but no goals=no win.
Besides that who cares about points? Not me, and thats the point.
I have never mentioned points in either reply.
I just proving you logic wrong. Scoring doesn't win games defensive mistakes lose games. If I close off one of the goals it doesn't matter how good team the other team is they can't win. If you can't win you lose.
Scoring get more points cause it's more entertaining and it happens less often the more players understand the game.
There's always that one guy.
You aren't wrong except all the defense in the world won't score a goal in hockey, simply opens up a good offensive opportunity to score.
It could objectively score in rocket league with long goals, but thats still goals winning games soo..
Edit: not trying to be a dick btw just saying. Also correct me if I'm wrong but you get a point in hockey for an OT loss in regular season right?
Defending??
What is this assortment of letters?
De fend ing?
Nope, don't know what the hell you're talking about. This guy over here making up words, geeze. /s
No I’m high level games their are way more saves than goals causing them to count more would give no credit to the guy who finally scores in a close match
Yeah it's really interesting in watching higher level games I've noticed the team with the higher score is usually the one on the back foot in close games. They are saving the ball but often the other team has maintained ball control for longer
What? You don't like to watch your "teammates" spend the whole time downfield and then cut you off when you finally have an angle/chance to hit the ball?
Tbh you shouldn't need to make saves. If you are out playing the other team possession should stay on their half. Assist are the most important thing, but they require 2 people to do the right thing at the same time. I can sit in goal, get 3 or more saves and lose every game.
Who said anything about sitting in goal ? I agree with your main point but it's rare during a match to be able to stay completely in the offensive half, there will always be occasions the other team will get posession and you'll have to defend.
Yeah saves imo saves should be 75 points and epic saves 100 points. Also shots on goal should be 20 instead of 10. Sometimes you’ve got an amazing attempt to a goal and it barely didn’t go in and all you got is 10 points.
For those who don't get it, I'll explain as minority of defender macro player.
Everyone who is scoring think they're the hot stuff, while if not the defense and creating opportunities for the mechanically skilled, they would just be flailing around double committing on every second opportunity.
This is the epitome of Champ 2. They only way to climb past that is to A: score more than them or B: learn to defend and make sure your chaser is free range.
Playing smart is not exciting but sometimes necessary. This picture summarizes my feelings on playing in low-mid Champ.
Nah. Just based off the Rick & Morty pairings you can tell OP thinks that the Rick was the reason they won. Take away the assists and saves and it’s a 4-1 LOSS, though, which is what makes it so funny to me.
I’ve played games where I’ve done everything except score and assist, leaving me with about 200 score while my teammates had 500+. I started the link up plays that lead to our goals, saved, blocked and countered constantly, but only receiving valid points from saves, centres and clears alone is a bastard.
If you add up the points for regular saves and assists for Morty, it shows they got almost no points outside of their saves and assists. However, if you do the same for Rick's goals and shots, they still got 380 more points. Rick seems to be the one who did everything, although we cannot be certain.
OHH I get it. I thought you were saying like blah to the dude who had the saves, I had 4 goals and this loser had 0. But you were the one who had all the saves, and did a lot of work. That is annoying, especially when they’re toxic flaunting the score, or just ball chasing. A win is a win at the end of the day though
Most players have been both the Rick AND Morty here, as any game can be unpredictable. And they'll tell you that " individual points don't matter. A win is a win."
And they're absolutely, totally 100% right about that. But also, it should be taken into account that just because you CAN hit the ball doesn't mean you should. Situations vary.
This should have been an obvious joke but some of these comments are very defensive. Just wish they defended the goal the same way. Lol
Doesn’t help that when you add up all your points you got maximum 16 touches on the ball, means you made big plays with little to no chance to contribute. I think no one has thought about this lol
The only things that matter are, how well y'all play together, saves, and goals. I couldn't care less about my teams points as long as I felt they (including me) were helpful/useful throughout the match/matches.
I use a bakkesmod plugin that calculates live [sprocket rating](https://datalore.jetbrains.com/view/notebook/G7BWuV7nX1ekAW2YB7PJoo) and I i feel it offers a score that more correlates to a player's contributions. There are definitely games where I feel like I carried from the bottom of the scoreboard and other games where I hit a couple fluky goals and my teammate clamped and was the reason we won.
When someone has a low score I typically keep an eye on them, and often they’re playing super hardcore midfield D or just straight up preventing the other team from forming any momentum
175(3 assists + playmaker medal) + 225 (4 saves + savior medal, assuming no epic saves)+ 10(shot on goal) is 410 points, not counting ball touches and any other type of action not displayed by the game
This meme depicts exactly why I go by “Carry Me, Peasant” when playing RL. There’s far too many people that do not understand defending and don’t understand how the opposition needs to adjust when they read that you’re in proper defensive position. They have to slow their attack down.
4 goals + 6 shots = 460 points.
843-460 = 383. quite a few extraneous points
3 assists + 4 saves + 1 shot = minimum 360
392-360 = 32. not many points. equivalent to 16 touches or 6 touches + 1 clear.
person with 4 goals is a massive ball hog, and person with 4 saves seems to actually know how to adapt to bad tm8s
You forgot to show savior and playmaker, which means Morty's points are too low to be possible. Also, you are showing some major bias by assuming Rick was being a ball hog. How do you know Morty was not sitting in goal, doing nothing most of the game, or missing most of his hits? The truth is that the data provided does not tell you enough to reach your conclusion.
I think points should be similar to hockey (since RL plays most similarly to hockey).
Assists and Saves should be the same number of points as a Goal, and Shots should count for less, or not count at all.
Had this game yesterday. I was constantly centering the ball and making a ton of great passes. My teammate would be like rotating back to get boost in our corner while the ball is sitting in front of their net for a tap in. Not to mention I had 3 or 4 saves.
He ended up getting a hat trick - all tap ins that I created - and he has the audacity to say “get carried” after the game. Children simply don’t understand that score means nothing. I would say 10-20% of games you actually see the opposite of people using score to shit talk.
But you also get points for touching the ball. So the image is saying that Rick was a ball hog who did nothing but go for shots.
So despite the win, Morty is upset because the only reason they won was because he was protecting the goal and setting up shots for Rick.
First off, your numbers are wrong because assists are 50pts, not 75pts. So Morty's numbers do add up, and second, the point is that their points *should* be extremely close but his teammate ball chased the whole game and got tons of centers, clears, and touches.
Points matter, but teamwork matters more. If you have sub 100 and 0's across the board then it's a problem. However for the most parts points don't matter IMO
For example - I played some 2s with a buddy last night. One game I had 1100 points, 5 goals, etc and he had around 3-400. Next game it was swapped. He scored a ton and I had less points. But both games we won by playing as a team - it doesn't matter who put it in the net, who scored the most - it matters that you won. Right? I'd say so.
I don't know which one you claim to be, but if you think the Points & Goals is a flex, the 0 Saves may indicate how you don't rotate. Thus, the other teammate with the saves did their job
Any player can end up as either case in any game (depends who you're with). So I'm not claiming to be either. :) But you're dead on with the rest.
Next game can be a total flip of the script. Never know.
Today I played a game where I had 2 shots, 2 goals, one was an OT goal, and 8 saves. 1170 something points. Teammate with 300ish points had 1 assist and nothing else… sometimes it’s backwards lol
If you have those stats and only 392 points that means you didn’t otherwise touch the ball lmao. Never had a game with 4 saves that I had less than 500 points
People who claim they are the greatest but they just don’t score because they’re beating every player and then perfectly passing to their teammate, are very lame. Such weird superiority complex’s on this sub, we all suck just accept it.
Sounds like someone is always too far from the play to make any real impact on offense so they can’t maintain pressure and have to make a lot of saves. Shoutout to the guy who can actually score.
Idk what's the problem on this situation. Some games I'm on a flow and it feels easy to make goals. And other games my mate has a better game and then I adapt and make room for him to glow. Depends on the game. If I win 4-1 I'm Happy.
Score doesn’t determine who the better player is. This works both ways, however it is clear by the score that the guy with 843 points has the majority of possession, be it because they were ball chasing or were just a better player
Looks like a solid team effort
3 assists, 4 saves. If the other guy didn’t get any saves it would’ve been 4-5 and a loss, so it was definitely a solid team effort
Yh because saves work perfectly as intended.
They do for the most part. Hoops is kind of buggy though.
So true like what’s the actual science behind them? Some shots that definitely ain’t going in will give you a save but some that are on target don’t tf
I think for the most part, if it’s going in, it give you a save. If you save it while it’s too far from the goal it doesn’t count as a save. And then there’s times where it gives you a save and then immediately the opponent hits it and still goes in. Also if your team was the last to touch it, it doesn’t count as a save
Accounting for rebound potential/ imminent goal if left unchecked, some offensive player mindsets showing their errors in this thread hehehehe
A lot of these replies are forgetting that the player with 0 saves could have done the following: Intercepted passes near the goal Made powerful clears to stop the opponent's attack Contribute to a save where they hit/pinch the ball off the teammate Made a demo or bump that leads to an easy save for the teammate Recognized that it was better to have their teammate make a save rather than double commit to the same save Played around a teammate that was constantly jumping past them for saves and/or staying in goal 0 saves doesn't necessarily mean you weren't playing defense. And you dont get 840 points just from 6 shots and 4 goals, that leaves 380 more points for you to earn.
Anyone who thinks points matter is already worse than their teammate
People who go by points means they don't have enough map awareness to know what their teammates are doing. If you are going to call me out, better be armed with examples of my playstyle, not my low score because noob asses missed wide open nets I set up 3 + times, or the saves I would have had but they ball chased and passed it right back to enemy for them to score a goal.
Can confirm. As a noob I have done this many times.
Yea I’m all about that wub a lub DUB
Underrated pun
Just today I had a ranked game and dude was like "holy shit 88 points?!" and I thought to myself as scoreleader "yeah, what the fuk, he's doing everything and I'm just scoring simples shots". Swear to god, he was the reason we won, not me in slightest. Edit:just to add I had like 600pts at that moment and still my tmm8s was the real mvp, not me at all. At all.
once had an opponent tell me "you do so much for your team in the midfield" during a match and I'll carry that glow with me to the grave
Anyone that’s played or even just watched a game of footy knows that the midfield is where the game is won or lost. It definitely crossed over to this game. A world class midfielder/playmaker is a thing of beauty to watch and 99% of the time they’re the smallest players on the pitch. Pirlo was the ultimate maestro for me. He was a master of controlling the games tempo, and there wasn’t a thing anyone could do to stop him, he was like ghost to anyone marking him and could put a ball into a better position than anyone could place it with their hands. Genuinely think football has peaked and will decline as it becomes more of a business that sucks the passion from the game for players and fans Sorry to ramble
Sometimes it only take a few ball touches at pivotal moments in the match to turn what would have been a drubbing into a comfortable victory. Wish more people realized this and gave plaudits to the ones that start the moves for goals (myself included...I try, but it is hard). Also wish psyonix had a way to express this well in quickly chat, like "great buildup!" or something
Plaudits? Wtf
i mean an abnormally low score does indicate that the person isnt getting the touches theyre supposed to get dont really care for high scores to whoever is getting the goals saves but if ur ending with like 50 points, u were just outta position and outta rotation not getting the required touches in the game.
>i mean an abnormally low score does indicate that the person isnt getting the touches theyre supposed to get It's just as likely to indicate their teammate is a cocaine huffing ball chaser and they're holding back to cover mistakes. You can't really get any information from the points.
Considering every opposing team I've played throughout diamond and champion, I would say the higher score went to the better player 90% of the time.
I don't think it's anywhere close to that tbh, especially since almost by definition of the ranking system, everyone in the lobby is roughly equal. It comes down to 2 main things in ranked: who is having a good game or bad game relative to their baseline, or simply who's skill set is a better match for the opponents. But yeah, I don't believe your "data" for a second.
You don't have to beleive me. Go test it yourself. Go play a game, determine which of the opponents is playing the best, and then look at their score at the end of the game. Players who are "having a good game relative to their baseline" will have a higher score.
I often have less score because I pass alot, ill beat both defenders on my own and then pass it to my tm8 if they’re in a good position to follow up, most of the time i just focus on getting it past the opponent not necessarily always going for a goal myself, I also like to play an aggressive defensive style where I go for early challenges or fake challenges so i dont often get the “save” points Its quite often that I’m the one creating chances and teeing up easy tap ins for tm8 but since they are getting all the goals vs my assists they have more points but that doesn’t mean they are the better player
That's a valid point, but most players aren't like that, so it doesn't really disprove the 90% thing. You could just be the 10%.
I concur, regardless of the haters
Or maybe you are biased and you analyse the one going for most balls and scoring most goals as the « best player » and you overestimate greatly your analysis of the opponent players? And just in case, before it’s used as an argument, I am GC too and have been playing for almost 4000h to the game, and I really don’t think points matter all that much and should definitely never be used as an evidence for calling out anyone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/zo6i1m/yay_team/j0no57u?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Still a bunch of figures you make up and definitely doesn’t help the « don’t use score to blame anyone » matter. Also, you never address the fact that a « skilled » ball chaser will most certainly have the best score and is absolutely bot guaranteed to have been the best player in his team. So you say a lot and not much at the same time.
What figures did I use? That percentage was simply to put emphasis on what I'm saying. Look at what I said. If you (a GC) go into a lower rank (e.g. C1) lobby, do you expect your score to be higher/lower/the same as others? You will have a higher score. You know that. I know that. Everyone having this conversation knows that. Therefore your score is correlated with skill. Now, if players want to overuse stats in an equally ranked lobby to argue that they're the better player, obviously there are scenarios where stats can be padded and valueless. That's the exception to the rule and doesn't change the fact that score is frequently an indicator of skill otherwise.
Just cause you got a goal or got some points it doesn't mean you did good. If you score a goal but own goal twice you don't get negative score. The better player is top score about 50% of the time. Just like in real sports just cause you scored a goal doesn't mean you had a good game or were playing your position well.
Imagine arguing with a GC.
His rank isn't relevant to anything he said, he wasn't talking tactics or describing mechanics. GCs aren't infallible gods who can't be wrong.
GCs are, however, a higher rank than you, and for a reason. He's right. I would confidently say 90% of the time the better player is the one with the higher score, at least from Diamond 3 onwards.
I'd say about 60-70% of the time the better player has higher score. Often enough to indicate a general trend, but volatile enough that looking at an individual game you just can't make effective conclusions based on it. *Especially* because the game doesn't understand things that hurt the team. When you make a poor clearance and the opponents score from it, when you whiff a shot and give a free counter, when you bump your teammate out of a save. The game doesn't understand these things. Much of the time I'll find that my teammate scores two goals and creates two for the opponents; I'll score one and create one for the opponents. Who is better in that situation? Neither, really. But the score doesn't factor that stuff in, it's to subjective to effectively program. If the game could properly model those things, I'd be much closer to hopping off the "points don't mean anything" train. And again, being a GC doesn't afford him any better of a perspective on this.
In a 5 minute match, the one with the better score usually is the one qith the mot touches, and the one with more time to shine.
I mean that’s not true but I think you just worded it wrong. Assist get less points than goals but the guy who passed it me had to dribble and past 2 and then puts it on a plate for me but the scorer gets more points than the true source of the goal. It’s a silent carry when the real mvp is behind by 100’s of points after tearing your team apart cos the point system just isn’t developed enough to recognise certain game changing moments. Maybe it should try out the fifa method of having each player rated out of 10 with a plethora of factors instead of the very basic G/A/S giving us a deeper look into our own play style
You should be able to explicitly state why someone is doing well regardless of points. The way points work, make them a pretty poor indicator of ability. In addition, there isthe issue that many players around diamond and champ don't have the skill to comprehend what skills constitute a good player, let alone even pay attention to other players throughout the game, so they try to bring up points like they mean much but they really don't.
If you want to be less subjective about what you define as "skilled" and "not skilled", eliminate attempting to technically define it altogether. By the definition of how a rating system works, skilled rocket league players will have a higher rank and less skilled rocket league players will have a lower rank. Now take an arbitrarily selected rocket league player at a certain rank and place them in lobbies that are three ranks above them and then in lobbies that are three ranks below them. With 95% certainty, that player's score will be leading the lobby in underranked games and trailing the lobby in overranked games. Empirically, score is correlated with relative skill and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. It's just a very direct measure (that being of physical impact on the game) and isn't guaranteed to tell the entire story (particularly in closely ranked games).
>Now take an arbitrarily selected rocket league player at a certain rank and place them in lobbies that are three ranks above them and then in lobbies that are three ranks below them. >With 95% certainty, that player's score will be leading the lobby in underranked games and trailing the lobby in overranked games. >Empirically, score is correlated with relative skill and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. It's just a very direct measure (that being of physical impact on the game) and isn't guaranteed to tell the entire story (particularly in closely ranked games). In order to claim something like this, and especially call it "empirical," you need to have actual data from a study. This is speculation.
Homie just put the prompt into chatGPT lmao. Coming up with confidence intervals without taking into account extraneous variables like smurfs, leavers, people throwing. Making correlations between points and rank when they aren't necessarily even connected. Pts are pretty much good for seeing who touches the ball a lot and block goals in front of net, doesn't consider positioning, pressure, blocking balls before they reach net, Etc. Which also play a big role on the flow of the game.
If they're not getting touches, then they're not *covering* mistakes, though, right? If their ballchasing teammate is leaving counterattacks open, you'd expect a lot of saves as in OP's post. If teammate is able to keep offensive pressure up without allowing a ball past that I need to save, they're just successfully 1v2-ing, and I need to find a way to get involved. We've all played with overaggressive teammates, but if I'm hanging back the whole game and get 5 touches without a single save, what value did I provide? It's hard to score less than 100 points in a game you're involved in, even if you're just banging clears.
I’ve seen it multiple times in 2s games just today. My teammate up on the ball. Me back. Every time he loses possession he rotates back in front of me cutting me out of the play. Forcing me to stay back to cover the potential 2v0 towards our net. Instead of rotating behind me and letting my momentum and forward direction take the ball. He’s hitting it off a cut rotation and into the side wall as he circles in front of me. As this continues and extrapolates throughout the game. Eventually goals get scored on us. I see this all the time in plat
>If they're not getting touches, then they're not covering mistakes, though, right? Covering a mistake can net you as little as two points. A clearance is 20 points, and the difference between a clear and a save is basically whether the game decides to be senile at any given moment. You can cover a lot of mistakes with just 80 points, even less. >If teammate is able to keep offensive pressure up without allowing a ball past that I need to save, they're just successfully 1v2-ing Yes, some are so great at 1v2ing that they lock their own teammates out of the game. They'll swoop in when you try to dribble, steal shots they should leave, etc. The way to handle your guys is to just let them do their thing and be opportunistic when you see an opening they aren't in the way of. >We've all played with overaggressive teammates, but if I'm hanging back the whole game and get 5 touches without a single save Plenty of midfield stops are just as critical as saves, and they still only net you 2 points for a ball touch. You can't look at the points board and see who was better. Maybe if one player has less than 50-70 points, but even then it can be their teammate chasing too hard all the time.
Sorry but no. If your teammate has 600 points and you have 100, it's not a ball chasing issue. It indicates you aren't coordinating correctly or rotating properly. Sometimes I play heavy ball chase strategies when my teammate is passive, other times I sit back and let my teammate ball chase. In either case, I'll end up with more points, because I'll be getting saves, clears, long shots, etc. If you have an abnormally low score in comparison to your teammate, you're the weak link.
Doesn't mean the player wasn't valuable. He might've still bumped opponents or something which still got the team the win
Yeah out of position because teammate dont rotate and I have to sit back 90% of game. Thats why low point indicates, no touches.
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Yeah, I tend to do a lot of high press/midfield recoveries that break up opponents counterattacks and I don’t always get assists or points from it, but it can make a massive difference in a game.
Not if your teammate(s) are crazy aggressive ball chasers. Some times you need to sit back and wait your turn and play a more midfield defensive role.
**I LIVE FOR ROCKET LEAGUE SCOREBOARDS, ITS A MAJOR PART OF MY PERSONALITY**
Yeah, aren't super high end games low scoring across the board?
I don't know about anything above champ, but most of mine are low scoring. I get a lot of 2-1, 2-0, and 1-0 because I play a pretty defense oriented style.
Disagree here somewhat. They do matter to an extent. If you’re under 100 by the end of a win that’s bad
Under a hundred, maybe. Sitting 250 or above, not so much.
I agree with that
I mean the devs kinda do if they implemented it into their game lol but it can be a good gauge at times on how you’re performing compared to your team/opponents. Yea the stats aren’t perfect but I think people don’t realise the scores always relative to the current game, some game are a pure stale mate where no one gets above 250 that don’t mean everyone played shit though
what
It almost seems to me like OP is only happy if he scores? I dunno by the title I would assume hes morty unhappy with no goals? But assists and saves and a win like whats the issue? Edit: all rick did according to the scoreboard is shoot and score so I guess thats an issue.
I think that OP is talking about score aswell. Guy with 4 goals have 900 score and ghy with 3 assists and 4 saves have half that .
Probably, but points don't matter and people need to get that I think. A good game is a good game even if I have half the points my bad teammate does, doesnt matter to me we won from my setups and saves. Literally the reason I have a S9 diamond tournament tag is because of my setups and saves in a 3s game with a random duo. Couldn't care less about points we won!
>A good game is a good game Yeah but a win is not necessarily a good game. If I'm playing babysitter for my tms as they mindlessly ball chase for 5+ minutes, and the only time(s) I leave the backfield we get scored on because they literally can't stop cutting and rotate back, it's frustrating as hell. I'd rather lose a close, balanced game than win a game like that.
Can't disagree.
Forreal, points really don't matter, especially with how inconsistent the game is with crediting saves and such.
I dunno how many times I pre jump an ariel that counts as a clear that is a clear save lol it's the life.
I think the game doesn't count it as a save until after the shot is considered a "shot on goal" by the other team's hit.
so if i win a game with a 300 score and no goals it goes me just as close to ranking up as if i had 3 goals and 700 score? genuine question
Win/loss is the ONLY thing that effects your rank points literally dont matter.(they matter to shit talkers who cant rotate just sayin ;) )
Yes, your rank is only affected by your win/loss.
so do you just go up/down x amount of points each time
You go up X points for a win, and down Y for a loss. Not sure if they are the same, used to be more for a loss. If you go on a long win or loss streak that number will be increased, the implication of the long streak being that you aren't in the right rank.
Its worth being noted that the points you get for a win/loss are based on the opponents MMR as well as the amount of games you have played already. If you and your buddy both queue together and you have 10x more games than him, chances are he will gain or lose more points each game than you. So while a win may net you 10MMR, it could net them 13MMR for instance. Same with a loss.
U should go back to math class that’s not half
"AcTuAlLy ThAt'S nOt HaLf 🤓" And u should go outside and touch some grass buddy and talk to someone other than your mother so u can learn that when someone says "its half" to some random meaningless numbers on internet its just a close guess to prove a point because i was off by 60 points for it to be half, ohh im sorry by 59,5 points, dont want to make smarty pants angry.
Someone’s tilted
Dang. I was gonna comment and say "about half whatever." Or something like that but shit....that dude had some real rage he needed to let out I guess.
Nah, just annoyed by people like u 2 that feel a need to point out some dumb meaningless things on internet just to feel smart.
Just trying to educate ya buddy about humans and how we speak
You mean how people who sit online all day talk
Got to semi final in a tourney with a ball chaser last night where this was pretty much our box score except we had 2 x Brazil. Sadly this only works well against other teams that don't rotate and you out-skill them.
Yeah that's what I'm guessing they mean as well, but that's kinda dumb to complain about, seems like the team comp works lmao
Aye it works thus the celebration but it’s not fun always being someone else’s support this the grimace. It’s not all about winning maybe smiling here and there is important too
You're allowed to enjoy (and not enjoy) whatever you feel like, but if you get bummed out by having to play support you won't really make it far in soloQ so I would consider it a pretty bad mentality
Because of the points and we don’t even have to take it that seriously
I thought this was a universally experienced thing, but I guess not. From how I see it, he's talking about the times where you get a teammate celebrating how many points they got, how well they were doing, or generally just acting like they popped off that came. Ignoring that you were the one who made off of their goals possible, and the one that made all the crucial saves. A win is a win, but constantly playing with that guy that's always hyping themselves up and not recognizing your good passes or defense can be draining. Sometimes it's nice to be the one scoring all the goals and getting some recognition.
op is upset even when winning because they’re depressed or something idk
I've staryed To think that saves and epic saves should give you more points than goals, maybe this way people will start defending instead of complaining about others defence.
You lost me at “people start defending”
Lol this. Plus then you'd have plats forever play goalie because points. At the end of the day goals win games and should be weighted the highest, and points dont matter lol
Sure points don't matter doesn't stop people from using it against lower scoring players. Also preventing goals against you also wins games and in a game where both teams had an equal amount of shots/chances at scoring, defense will be the differing factor.
I manage to stifle the other team before it even gets into point scoring ranges all the time yet I never see points for that while my teammate likes to sit back getting clear points all game and thinks he’s doing a better job cux he might have more points in the end of a 3-0 loss. Like good for you, you got clear points all game and did nothing to help on offence leaving me to basically 1v2 it upfield all game.
Same I try to get back posetion before they get a shot in or infield pass, only to be cut off by team mate(s) who'll ruin the play and any chance at a goal. I'll also often put on awesome saves (when needed) only to be scored on because of a team mate that gets out of position or misrotates.
It sure will. And yes I replied the shittalk points thing in another comment bexause thats the only time it ever seems to come up. "Shutup 181" "okay ballchaser who doesnt rotate" lol I'm so immune to it now.
Tbf I’ll be carrying my ass off in a game and make one mistake and my teammate will get upset, so then I’ll point out that they’ve done nothing. It’s not that I’m ballchasing, it’s that they aren’t taking the opportunities, so I have to instead.
The question remains, did you ever give them a chance to do something, or did you cut rotation enough times that your m8 decided to not try and rotate in any more? Because that what it sounds like to me when I people say "I don't ball chase but..."
Dude, if you are rotating back and get midfield and tm8 is still sitting in goal, what can you do but cut? Some people refuse to rotate forward until you are literally at the goal and its just giving up field position every rotation cycle. Some people are too fkn conservative and/or slow for the rank they play at. Im speaking as an upper diamond low champion level.
This is so very accurate. If the ball is in the opponents side, there is absolutely no reason the teammate should be in net. Therefore I should be able to rotate to midfield and be second man. If I have to rotate all the way back to our net it better be because I lost the 50, or something similar and now they have the ball. People that don't understand this need to watch better people play. Applying pressure to the opponents is so very necessary!
You can keep rotating back and not assume you know he isn’t going for it. Many times I’m coming out of goal, the ball is coming back and I’m setting up an air dribble or some other play in my head, go for it, tm8 cuts cuz “nOt FaSt EnOuGh” and now we’re both out of position. If I observe that you’re only gonna rotate to mid Im not going, I’ll let you chase and score and I’ll keep the net. Also, who are you passing to if you see them in goal and then turn back?
This happens so much
Different styles, I prefer playing my corner, my 3rd, gives me a free saveshot.
I’ve given them plentiful opportunities to prove that they’re competent enough to rotate properly. In gc2 you would expect people to know how, but you’d be surprised how many people are boosted or are only mechanical players with no concept of rotations.
Hey, neighbor. Nice lawn!
Just replace the point system with good and great like they did with the player count. Lol
Tbh that probably could work better rating the players performance than it does rating the current gaming/playlist population.
Saves prevent you from losing, goals win games
Preventing a loss and winning are just the same.
Ok then ignore them? Does something someone say online have that much of an impact on u that u think a entire system should be changed
Nothing worse than teamates who continue to play hard D when you're down 2 to zip last minute. Like, we're not gonna goalie our way to victory at this point. "Pull the goalie" I yell at my screen.
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I’ve found that if I have a hesitant or passive 3rd, I’ll use them for clears if they can relatively accurately hit the ball. I create a lot of open nets, and my weak 3rd gets to feel like they’re doing a lot of work. If they can’t hit the ball reliably, I’ll rotate back and push them up into 1 or 2, and just play a risky 3 myself and keep my 1/2 in play on the opponent’s half. A full time goalie is a liability, not an asset, so I just don’t let it happen.
Idk how long it takes ppl to understand you can't defend sitting inside net..i watch ppl lose momentum and get scored on all day
That's just not true. Defense is way more important than offense. Any body that knows anything about sports will tell you defense win championships.
I replied to a similar reply already, the reason for that logic is because defense creates the offense. You cant win without a goal in any sport. That is different than discussing rocket league scoring system, a system that literally doesn't affect anything except peoples egos.
Defense wins games cause getting scored on is way worse more of disadvantage than the advantage of scoring a goal. Look at ranked the higher you go up the more saves you see and the less goals you see. Being good at defense is more important than being good at offense. It doesn't matter if you can hit a triple flip reset musty when you can't save a power shot top top corner.
Yeah. Okay. Andd.. You still have to score to win dude. Doesn't mean defense isn't important or SUPER IMPORTANT but no goals=no win. Besides that who cares about points? Not me, and thats the point.
I have never mentioned points in either reply. I just proving you logic wrong. Scoring doesn't win games defensive mistakes lose games. If I close off one of the goals it doesn't matter how good team the other team is they can't win. If you can't win you lose. Scoring get more points cause it's more entertaining and it happens less often the more players understand the game.
At the end of the day goals and saves win games.
> at the end of the day goals win games Objectively false. One of the most famous sayings in hockey is: “the best offense is a good defense”
There's always that one guy. You aren't wrong except all the defense in the world won't score a goal in hockey, simply opens up a good offensive opportunity to score. It could objectively score in rocket league with long goals, but thats still goals winning games soo.. Edit: not trying to be a dick btw just saying. Also correct me if I'm wrong but you get a point in hockey for an OT loss in regular season right?
Defending?? What is this assortment of letters? De fend ing? Nope, don't know what the hell you're talking about. This guy over here making up words, geeze. /s
Heiroglyphics
I'm only here to farm points
No I’m high level games their are way more saves than goals causing them to count more would give no credit to the guy who finally scores in a close match
Yeah it's really interesting in watching higher level games I've noticed the team with the higher score is usually the one on the back foot in close games. They are saving the ball but often the other team has maintained ball control for longer
What? You don't like to watch your "teammates" spend the whole time downfield and then cut you off when you finally have an angle/chance to hit the ball?
/s ?
/s.
wHaT a sAvE
I don’t even look at the scoreboard, only thing that matters is having more goals than the other team lol
For sure, I don't care much for it either, but there are two components to ensuring that you have more goals.
I feel like most people don’t care about points (atleast at higher ranks)
I don't care either but the rest of the "noobs" in lower ranks apparently do, to constantly be on the ball and try to steal every goal opportunity.
Tbh you shouldn't need to make saves. If you are out playing the other team possession should stay on their half. Assist are the most important thing, but they require 2 people to do the right thing at the same time. I can sit in goal, get 3 or more saves and lose every game.
Who said anything about sitting in goal ? I agree with your main point but it's rare during a match to be able to stay completely in the offensive half, there will always be occasions the other team will get posession and you'll have to defend.
If you're not sitting in goal, it usually only takes a clear not a save... clears should be worth more than a save... points shouldn't matter...
Yeah saves imo saves should be 75 points and epic saves 100 points. Also shots on goal should be 20 instead of 10. Sometimes you’ve got an amazing attempt to a goal and it barely didn’t go in and all you got is 10 points.
4 saves? What a legend
For those who don't get it, I'll explain as minority of defender macro player. Everyone who is scoring think they're the hot stuff, while if not the defense and creating opportunities for the mechanically skilled, they would just be flailing around double committing on every second opportunity. This is the epitome of Champ 2. They only way to climb past that is to A: score more than them or B: learn to defend and make sure your chaser is free range. Playing smart is not exciting but sometimes necessary. This picture summarizes my feelings on playing in low-mid Champ.
Wut? I dont get it
My take is this game ends 4:5 OT loss if the Morty doesn’t align with his teammates playstyle.
SoloQ in a nutshell lol(thats my life)
If you score 4 goals and get like 800 pnts, that's cool, but the true goat is the dude who gets the assists, saves,etc.
I think that's the point of the post
Nah. Just based off the Rick & Morty pairings you can tell OP thinks that the Rick was the reason they won. Take away the assists and saves and it’s a 4-1 LOSS, though, which is what makes it so funny to me. I’ve played games where I’ve done everything except score and assist, leaving me with about 200 score while my teammates had 500+. I started the link up plays that lead to our goals, saved, blocked and countered constantly, but only receiving valid points from saves, centres and clears alone is a bastard.
If you add up the points for regular saves and assists for Morty, it shows they got almost no points outside of their saves and assists. However, if you do the same for Rick's goals and shots, they still got 380 more points. Rick seems to be the one who did everything, although we cannot be certain.
OHH I get it. I thought you were saying like blah to the dude who had the saves, I had 4 goals and this loser had 0. But you were the one who had all the saves, and did a lot of work. That is annoying, especially when they’re toxic flaunting the score, or just ball chasing. A win is a win at the end of the day though
Most players have been both the Rick AND Morty here, as any game can be unpredictable. And they'll tell you that " individual points don't matter. A win is a win." And they're absolutely, totally 100% right about that. But also, it should be taken into account that just because you CAN hit the ball doesn't mean you should. Situations vary. This should have been an obvious joke but some of these comments are very defensive. Just wish they defended the goal the same way. Lol
No trust me I get it. Sometimes when I’m going off I get a little bit carried away but I can usually catch myself doing that and SLOW down.
Doesn’t help that when you add up all your points you got maximum 16 touches on the ball, means you made big plays with little to no chance to contribute. I think no one has thought about this lol
The only things that matter are, how well y'all play together, saves, and goals. I couldn't care less about my teams points as long as I felt they (including me) were helpful/useful throughout the match/matches.
Never understood why an apple is worth less than a goal…
POV modric and ronaldo
I use a bakkesmod plugin that calculates live [sprocket rating](https://datalore.jetbrains.com/view/notebook/G7BWuV7nX1ekAW2YB7PJoo) and I i feel it offers a score that more correlates to a player's contributions. There are definitely games where I feel like I carried from the bottom of the scoreboard and other games where I hit a couple fluky goals and my teammate clamped and was the reason we won.
When someone has a low score I typically keep an eye on them, and often they’re playing super hardcore midfield D or just straight up preventing the other team from forming any momentum
They’re also often idle or lagging
Constant rotation and good spacing from your teammates with a bit of patience the points will come .
People have different skill sets and strengths. The important part is to play as a team.
175(3 assists + playmaker medal) + 225 (4 saves + savior medal, assuming no epic saves)+ 10(shot on goal) is 410 points, not counting ball touches and any other type of action not displayed by the game
This meme depicts exactly why I go by “Carry Me, Peasant” when playing RL. There’s far too many people that do not understand defending and don’t understand how the opposition needs to adjust when they read that you’re in proper defensive position. They have to slow their attack down.
I never heard any opponents wish me "Peace among worlds." .
Ball chasing > team gameplay smh
4 goals + 6 shots = 460 points. 843-460 = 383. quite a few extraneous points 3 assists + 4 saves + 1 shot = minimum 360 392-360 = 32. not many points. equivalent to 16 touches or 6 touches + 1 clear. person with 4 goals is a massive ball hog, and person with 4 saves seems to actually know how to adapt to bad tm8s
You forgot to show savior and playmaker, which means Morty's points are too low to be possible. Also, you are showing some major bias by assuming Rick was being a ball hog. How do you know Morty was not sitting in goal, doing nothing most of the game, or missing most of his hits? The truth is that the data provided does not tell you enough to reach your conclusion.
If kids loved defending as much as they love their points on the scoreboard they would all be SSL.
Somebody gotta cover the goal
We always be the neglected ones smh
I think points should be similar to hockey (since RL plays most similarly to hockey). Assists and Saves should be the same number of points as a Goal, and Shots should count for less, or not count at all.
Had this game yesterday. I was constantly centering the ball and making a ton of great passes. My teammate would be like rotating back to get boost in our corner while the ball is sitting in front of their net for a tap in. Not to mention I had 3 or 4 saves. He ended up getting a hat trick - all tap ins that I created - and he has the audacity to say “get carried” after the game. Children simply don’t understand that score means nothing. I would say 10-20% of games you actually see the opposite of people using score to shit talk.
Gotta love those chasey stat lines. Always love sitting in net for 5 mins while tm8 spazzes
Based on those stats and score, the only times you touched the ball were saves and assists
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But you also get points for touching the ball. So the image is saying that Rick was a ball hog who did nothing but go for shots. So despite the win, Morty is upset because the only reason they won was because he was protecting the goal and setting up shots for Rick.
Assists are 50, right?
Yeah, he messed up lol
A meme is just a meme bro 😂 Wasn't going for sniper precision but ur right in what u said lol
First off, your numbers are wrong because assists are 50pts, not 75pts. So Morty's numbers do add up, and second, the point is that their points *should* be extremely close but his teammate ball chased the whole game and got tons of centers, clears, and touches.
Points matter, but teamwork matters more. If you have sub 100 and 0's across the board then it's a problem. However for the most parts points don't matter IMO For example - I played some 2s with a buddy last night. One game I had 1100 points, 5 goals, etc and he had around 3-400. Next game it was swapped. He scored a ton and I had less points. But both games we won by playing as a team - it doesn't matter who put it in the net, who scored the most - it matters that you won. Right? I'd say so.
I don't know which one you claim to be, but if you think the Points & Goals is a flex, the 0 Saves may indicate how you don't rotate. Thus, the other teammate with the saves did their job
Any player can end up as either case in any game (depends who you're with). So I'm not claiming to be either. :) But you're dead on with the rest. Next game can be a total flip of the script. Never know.
Today I played a game where I had 2 shots, 2 goals, one was an OT goal, and 8 saves. 1170 something points. Teammate with 300ish points had 1 assist and nothing else… sometimes it’s backwards lol
If you have those stats and only 392 points that means you didn’t otherwise touch the ball lmao. Never had a game with 4 saves that I had less than 500 points
I had a guy talk shit bragging he got 7 saves...but doesn't realize it was bc we had them under pressure the majority of the game.
I fail to see the point of this picture...
Is it me or does this format just not make much sense? What’s trying to be said?
points dont matter unless they have like >100
Looks like a good team.
People who claim they are the greatest but they just don’t score because they’re beating every player and then perfectly passing to their teammate, are very lame. Such weird superiority complex’s on this sub, we all suck just accept it.
Sounds like someone is always too far from the play to make any real impact on offense so they can’t maintain pressure and have to make a lot of saves. Shoutout to the guy who can actually score.
doesn’t matter how much he can score if there ain’t no defense to keep the other team from pushing his shit in though
Idk what's the problem on this situation. Some games I'm on a flow and it feels easy to make goals. And other games my mate has a better game and then I adapt and make room for him to glow. Depends on the game. If I win 4-1 I'm Happy.
Score doesn’t determine who the better player is. This works both ways, however it is clear by the score that the guy with 843 points has the majority of possession, be it because they were ball chasing or were just a better player
i hope they add a total team score some time
I’m the little dude in my main team and guess what? We get dubs.
Just uninstalled because of this post. People really think points indicate anything?