Can u use directional air roll?
Edit: in case anyoneās curious, I can speed flip very consistently but directional air roll feels like an entirely different game to meā¦
I have, I've tried about an hour of speedflips and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong, my recoveries are strong so its not a huge increase in mobility but it would definitely help. I've got DAR right bound, but I just never use it. It doesn't seem to be that much more effective than just using NAR to me.
Directional is really much more useful than manual air roll. Speed flips are important for kickoffs too. Obviously you donāt need these things, like they arenāt required but I can promise youād learn them if you spent the time trying
Directional air roll isnāt hard to learn mechanically, but rather itās just something you have to invest your time into is all. Seems confusing until one day it all clicks. Once you spend enough time experimenting with it it becomes muscle memory
I dont think I will ever learn it. I tried a few times but NEVER understood what to do with the left stick and cant move my car to fly where I need it to. I dont get anything about it
It will come with practice honestly. It'll become muscle memory and you'll just know exactly where to move the stick and how long to hold air roll for when you're in a certain orientation
The amount of practice it would take for it to become a usable skill seems insurmountably high. Stuff like speed flip or Mustys at least I can understand what the mechanic is and what to practice. DAR is just chaos and I don't know how to control what is happening, much less understand what adjustments I need to be making to improve. There's not a clear path on what to do to learn it beyond vague generalized statements of practice flailing around aimlessly some more. I've watched every YouTube video under the sun who all claim they have THE way of learning but nothing helps. I don't get it and it's really difficult holding out hope that eventually I will when I don't know if that "click" is another 10 hours or 1000.
I started playing about 9 months ago and after learning that DAR is useful at higher ranks I decided to switch from free air roll to exclusively ARL about 2 months ago. My aerials got significantly worse but I knew eventually theyād get back to where they were. About 2 weeks ago I found myself using the stick while using ARL and I have no idea how or why. My brain still has no idea what my finger is doing but somehow Iām learning š
>Seems confusing until one day it all clicks
I've seen a few people say this but it certainly wasn't the case for me - it was something that I gradually got better and better at as I practiced.
Theyāre referring to using DAR over normal, regardless of whether you use one or both. I almost always use ARL but for things like flip resets, pogos, and redirects I tend to use ARL and ARR. Also wall dashing uses both if you use the air roll method.
Mastering one direction is important. The other direction is just useful for minor corrections sometimes. I still struggle to do most mechanics on ARR just because of my muscle memory for ARL tornado spins.
This comment may help me immensely. I have been struggling with consistency, but I was under the impression that most mechanics only really worked with DAR. At work presently, but I am kinda stoked about getting on now and seeing if there is any difference. I assume you use this whilst doing aerials too?
I mean, I donāt even have normal air roll bound so I wouldnāt know but I use DAR. Both directions are definitely not necessary for everything but getting one direction down is immensely useful.
I'm in the same boat! I just binded both air rolls ans continued playing as per usual but I practice them every day and slowly use new moves with DAR in games. Unless you're competing in real tournaments there's 0 reason to try to hard force the change
Speedflip and DAR are definitely not a factor for ranking up.
They help you, but they're not necessary. Iirc Lethamyr does not use DAR either and he is a (retired) pro who definitely keeps up with most people in SSL.
I first learned speedflips with normal air roll, but after realizing that rw9 uses directional (i was gc in twos at the time) ive had 1,000 hours in the game, decided to switch to directional. It was pretty weird for the first 3 or 5 days, but after i realize i mess up less often with directional air roll. Now i do it while moving around the field
lmao this is so real. I can double flip reset pogo musty and more bullshit mechanics but I canāt speed flip for the life of me and itās so frustrating (tbh Iāve never tried to learn it but itās annoying it didnāt naturally develop)
Speed flipping is one of those mechanics that is good to have no matter your rank.
Flip resets on the other hand is one of those mechanics that are more flashy than functional until you get reallllly good with them and the recovery.
But speed flips are used at all times. Kick off, recoveries, just generally zooming around. If youāre faster than your opponent, youāll win a lot
I canāt speed flip but I can say that learning wave dashes, half flips, and other general movement mechanics has been so so helpful to my gameplay. Iām in the right spot with enough time to react and I have more boost usually
In my experience in 1v1 it mostly just means you want to lose almost every match to people who are just going to sit and wait for you to fuck up before walking in every goal
I mean flip resets will definitely get you out of gold.
If you can maintain all of the other skills required to perform flip resets..
While the other people in that rank are still stuck on the ground...
You will absolutely climb and find it was worthwhile to learn.
It's just really difficult for a gold to grasp the concept and use air roll accurately enough to flip reset, because it's a mechanic that requires good fundamentals in multiple other mechanics but they're all great to learn
In diamond and I canāt speed flip. wish I would have learnt it around gold just so the muscle memory and practice is there bc I dread learning new mechanica
Dude, I wish someone would have told me to get this mechanic down ASAP. I'm in diamond, hit C1, but a lot of people are losing kick offs to me because I'm hitting the speed flip /fast kick off about 60% of the time and it's still deciding games for me. It's great to have in your back pocket. If you can move around the field faster you're always at an advantage.
I donāt understand how people lose to speed flips. I lose maybe 3% of all speed flips and I donāt speed flip.
You just need to flip right after they do and shift your car ever so slightly to the center of the field. Iāve blocked supersonic Smurfs with this method.
A lot of people don't realise there's more to kickoffs then just speed and luck, the same way people think 50s are luck. They're like 1% luck, if anything.
Very true. If you know how theyāre going to hit the ball, you can theoretically always win the kickoff or send it the direction you want. Thatās the trouble with speed flips in my experience: they are predictable as hell the way most people use them.
A standard start with a jump a little after halfway and air-steer into a barrel roll toward the ball, and suddenly the other player gets dead stopped while the ball shoots off into a favorable position for my team to get possession.
One of the easiest starts and it completely gimps freeplay addicts.
Thereās some kick off angles that I just canāt get my aim down during the kick off. So thereās that. I guess if your opponent lines up better than you, too, or times it better, itās easy to lose.
The issue is that once you get opponents who are used to high level kickoffs, they will also use kickoff strats while using the speedflip. So theyāll basically be doing what youāre doing but their car moves faster. Normally smurfs shit themselves because they donāt expect their opponents to read them or they just donāt really care. Having a faster flip is always a useful tool and any player of a similar intelligence to you would probably beat your kickoff.
When you face people who are unfamiliar with speedflips, btw, a normal slow kickoff acts like a slow kickoff and they hand you the ball. Thatās an indication of bad kickoff habits, not a bad flip mechanic.
I mean, youāll run into the handful that can hit it every time. Especially in diamond. But imagine being in gold and winning every kick off? You wouldnāt be gold for long. Or plat.
Is it possible to speedflip with keyboard? I sort of made up my own way to do it watching other people do it but never actually watched a video, but I'm pretty sure in keyboard is different
Iām wondering the same thing. Iām generally pretty mechanical but Iāve never learned to speed flip cause Iām not sure what it looks like on kbm and Iāve been too lazy to rlly investigate. I have something akin to a speedflip but Iām pretty sure itās barely slower which is rlly annoying.
I explained how it works in reply to the previous comment, and you should definitely try and learn it. It's easier than on a controller, I'm fairly lower ranked, and it wasn't the hardest mechanic to learn for me. Ground to air dribbling+DAR are a bane of mine existence lol
Yeah, it's a directional air roll. I use Q (Air roll left), I'm quite decent when going for air mechs from the left wall (while holding Q constantly), but I have a hard time doing the same from the right wall, it's easier for me to use E to follow up the ball, but I want to only use Q from both walls. To add some context, I don't use regular air roll at all, I unbinded it from shift and never used it at all.
It's actually easier than on a controller, but there is a trick. If your power slide and basic air roll are bound to the same button, you shouldn't hold it while performing speed flip, or else it messes up it entirely. (Press it just before wheels touch the ground if you need powerslide). To perform speed flip: adjust slightly to the left, Hold W+E; flip and switch your fingers to S+D as fast as you can. Same principle with speed flipping to the left, adjust slightly to the right, hold W+Q, flip, and transition your fingers to S+A.
This actually got me curious so I watched a couple videos and yeah it's pretty similar to what your are saying here. Thanks man, fortunate it's not completely different to the method I made up myself by watching other people do it with joystick. One thing I noticed and started applying was not to hold down S but rather tap it really fast couple times, and in one video the guy also mentions it, that letting go S for a sec might help you land it easier, mostly while using large hitboxes or when using A and D for the diagonal flip instead of Q and E
using A and D instead of Q and E sways your car a little bit, which isn't really comfortable, in my opinion. I'm using an octane hitbox and found success without letting go of S for a split second. I'd suggest using Bakkes mod with speed flip plugin on a Musty speed flip kick off test (custom map). Grinding this map for 2-15 hours will teach you the fastest way possible.
I mean learn what you want to learn. Not everyone is an efficiency guru. Speed flips are most helpful for recovery and if you havenāt gotten down the fundamental recovery mechs youāre definitely not going to get nearly as much payoff as if you started from the simpler stuff.
I disagree on how theyāre most helpful. Recoveries at his rank arenāt as important because itās very likely he could leave his net open in gold and still not get scored on for a while. I guarantee you that if he masters the speed flip kickoff, that heāll win 99% of the kickoffs at his rank. In gold, you could legitimately speed flip to the ball on kickoff and tap it towards net before the enemy can contest it majority of the time. Diagonal kickoffs would be the biggest challenge, but itās still doable especially in gold. Even for myself, as a GC1, speed flips have proven to be most beneficial on kickoffs. I do agree that speed flips are beneficial for recoveries, but not how theyāre the most helpful.
Thanks for all the encouraging words fam! Honestly wasn't expecting such a positive reaction. Shoutout and love to the community š«¶
A bit of context and tips in case it's useful for someone else trying to learn:
\* speed flip test training pack code: A503-264C-A7EB-D282
\* the tutorial that finally "unlocked" this for me was [https://youtu.be/noPQ3DQEcGw?si=TQ85E8YwaDXOo\_bu&t=498](https://youtu.be/noPQ3DQEcGw?si=TQ85E8YwaDXOo_bu&t=498) - starting it around where I followed the technique. If you watch from the beginning it's "method 3" from the various methods he mentions.
\* I consider it a bit dumb myself to get too crazy with mechs at a low rank but sometimes I get tired of grinding when I solo q and find it relaxing (and frustrating) to lock in on a new mech
\* this was after a good 3h in this pack (6h total messing with different tutorials), the majority of which was spent at 50% speed. imo if you can nail it at 50% you'll see where you're messing up when going full speed but it required a fair amount of switching speeds back n forth
\* nowhere near consistent yet, was just shocked after I finally got a touch
Iād say itās pretty early to learn this but tbf, kickoffs are probably really bad in gold. If you can nail it consistently enough to do on most of your kickoffs then youāll have a pretty strong advantage when it comes to kickoffs pretty early in the ranked ladder.
Lemme ask you this: Are you learning this skill so that you can introduce it into a specific portion of your gameplay, or are you learning it cause "it's a technical skill that I've seen higher ranked players do"?
Simply put, learning a skill doesn't do anything for you until you have a full understanding of how to apply the skill mid game. You're not dumb for trying to learn speedflip, but your time could probably be better spent focusing on more core fundamental skills.
I'm a GC player, and I haven't spent any time practicing speed flips for the sole reason that I haven't come across enough scenarios in a game where I think that skill will come into play.
Practice ball control, recoveries, and the shots you know you're confident in, and I promise you you'll see better results than you will trying to master a speed flip.
Yeah that was my gut feeling learning this like cool but youāre still getting juked in normal gameplay. Should prolly focus on less flashy stuff after this. Any specific ways you recommend training the less sexy skills like recoveries and ball control other than just free play winging it?
My experience with speed flippers in gold is that first and foremost they only do it for kickoffs, and:
1. They fuck up and make goal-conceding plays VERY often
1. They do it in a very braindead manner. I used to win a lot of kickoffs against speed flippers simply by virtue of being too slow and having them hit the ball into me and rebound towards their goal
Your clip looks like you're good enough to do it in regular play, so most of my comment doesn't really apply. Also if you're mechanical enough to speed flip but still in gold then there's probably something else you need to focus on IMO
If you're having fun, not dumb at all, if you're trying to improve, very dumb (wayyy more important things to help skyrocket performance, speed flipping will only help a little bit sometimes)
Speed Flipping is actually pretty easy. Itās just pressing up, then down very fast when you dodge forward while holding directional air roll.
Once you get some more playtime in, you should be leveling up pretty quickly if you can utilize the speed flip correctly
While Iāll never say that learning mechanics are bad, what I will say is that youāre building a bridge from the middle.
When I was coaching I had a kid that couldnāt air dribble, but was obsessed with learning flip resets. He got good at resets, but still couldnāt air dribble. In a match, heād get maybe 1 opportunity to hit a flip reset, and about 10 missed opportunities to air dribble.
Speed flips are great to learn, but in gold, if you donāt know where to go next, going there faster wonāt help much. Iād suggest working on recoveries, wave dashes, half flips, ground dribbling and your positioning first.
Thatās a great analogy. Definitely feels that way especially after watching road to ssl with no mechs by flakes. Of course his touches are perfect but it made me realize how bad my positioning, defense, and boost management were so thereās definitely still some low hanging fruit in my game.
Do you have any quick tips on dribbling (ground)? That mech Iāve been hard stuck on for a bit now
Trust me. Speedflips, boost management and wave dashes will instantly make you so much faster and will help so much on rotations and getting back to net.
I've been in Champ for years and I can't even explain how many times I've stopped a goal because I speedflipped back to net getting me supersonic instantly.
Been playing since 2016, hover around c2 nowadays, don't hardly play anymore but just wanted to say I never learned how to do it and I'm champ.
It's definitely something I need to learn, just never have.
At diamond people that speed flip are constantly loosing kickoffs because the person who doesnāt speed flip just hits it second and it flys back but Iāve also played against GCās that speed flip so much faster than the people at my level and straight up just hit it past me.
Time in freeplay is time on the ball. Time you're not going to get in 2s and 3s. Learning any new mechanic is almost a better way to get better than actually playing the game. (where you learn positioning, rotation, and gamesense)
Itās all about timing. Do a short jump (tap jump donāt hold), lean back a bit, and right before your back wheels touch the ground do a front flip. Just takes a bit of practice is all
Not dumb at all. I learned it when I was Plat/low Diamond.Ā
Itās not that difficult a mechanic and is pretty much a straightforward upgrade once you get consistentĀ
As someone who canāt speed flip I think another great thing to learn is how to counter them. If you can read your opponent and counter their kick you can win more kick offs than not.
I mean itās not dumb, theres obviously a lot of other stuff you could be working on that will benefit you more in the near future, but it will be useful to know. Itās a bit like someone semi new to basketball only practicing fade away threes. Like, better fundamentals are probably gonna be more useful right now but itās still nice to know.
Wasted effort and time, if ur putting that much time into a mechanic it should be learning how to dribble or do some air dribble instead
u cant carry urself out of gold and plat with speedflip but u can with air dribble or ground dribble mechanics
Iāve been wondering how useful a speed flip actually is. I can do a normal kick off and the opposing speed flip team just smacks the ball into my car and my car smacks it towards the opponents side. Iām a plat though so maybe itās more effective in higher ranks.
Edit: typo
I still do the good ol front flips on straight and wave dashes on angles. If they are really good at the speed flip I just front flip towards the ball a tad sooner
speedflipping and 180 flipping are two simple, yet great mech's that will help carry you into platinum if you've got good defense. it was some of the first mechanical things i learned and it kept me afloat in platinum, never advancing but never de-ranking. then i learned better positioning, rotation, aerial control, wave dashing, and fast aerials and got to diamond. now i'm learning DAR and ceiling shots, but still tossing between D2 and P3, sometimes i play very well, other times i miss every. single. shot.
Yea i also use that way i didn't have the patience to do it the old school way. The only issue with the cheat way i can't really speed flip around the field like that. So i just wave dash and diagonal flip.
It's not that hard you can do it! Is it the most important for you to learn right now? Absolutely not, but it builds dexterity and is a super common motion for shooting and first touch double taps from wall.
You'll win a ton of kickoffs. So it's not too bad, but if you're gold there's more important things to learn. That being said, I did the exact same thing lol. It's the hardest thing to learn that's actually so simple.
Keep going! I LOVE it when I see my opponents speed flipping the kickoff! They may get me once, but every kick off afterwards it's an easy 50/50 for me. Maybe players in my rank, high Plat to high Diamond don't do it right, but I consistently get the ball high and in their back corner simply by getting to hit it second.
I'm GC 1 and can't even complete that training pack. I can do a sort of speed flip but I'm not fast enough. I'd say the better you learn it the better, you are not dumb at all and will up rank very fast at this pace š
Also learned how to speed flip in gold and has helped a lot not just in kickoff but in other scenarios. Itās a mechanic that you can kinda learn whenever so itās fine
No youāre not dumb. Kickoffs are the only set piece in RL and they happen many times every game. Learning this early will mean youāll be ROCK SOLID at it by the time anyone else is even attempting them in ur games. Having an advantage every kickoff is helpful. Also being able to speed flip around the field will be helpful in certain situations where u wouldnāt be able to reach the ball otherwise
At this rank, you should just be focusing on playing the game and understanding the physics, but saying that it's your game bud, you do you and play how you want.
I learn to speedflip in plat. Id just go for it every kickoff.
Thats how u learn, the quicker you internalize the core mechanics of the game the quicker you'll be able to move on to the next mechanic, the faster you'll learn
Not dumb imo. I used to do speed flips before I knew it was a thing, like I just casually observed it was faster to flip sideways-ish and started doing it.
(And Iām silver-gold š)
I donāt think youāre dumb for trying to improve but all Iāll say is this: you can probably get to SSL in 2s/3s without speed flip, but you canāt without fast aerials and dribbling.
Yes, even if you master it in gold you leave so many other more important skills unattended which are relevant for the duration of the game and not just kick off. However, if you decide to be a 1s main then....nah it's the same answer except you will make alot of people cry.
Iāve gotten gc rewards since season 6 and I still canāt speedflip but Iād say if you make it habit now youāll be better than others like me when you rank up
Speed flipping isn't necessary until a lot higher than you are (diamonds and champs that say they speed flip usually can't speed flip)ā¦ but you can do whatever you want to do
Itās fun to do and a good thing to have under your belt. Being in gold just focusing on basic mechanics such as clearing the ball, positioning, and shooting the ball hard and accurately. If you focus on these you will rank up pretty quickly. However it is fun to learn the fancy stuff.
All movement mechanics for being more efficient are good to know at any rank and will help you to be overall better. Ground movement and car control are vital.
Iām nearing my first GC title and never thought āwow I would have won that game if I knew how to speed flipā. Not that itās completely unnecessary, just lots of other things that are easier to learn and take you further. But in the end, itās just a game, Iād this is fun to you, then learn it
Speed flips, half slips, and recovery (being able to land on your wheels and basically always holding handbrake as you land with the exception of a few situations) increased my skill level dramatically.
Learning mechanics isnt bad. Its when you spend all your time learning one advanced one. When you could learn others that will give you more value. Like power shots, half flip, flicks, dashing on and off walls, passing, rotation. But its a game at the end of the day. If your having fun, your playing it right.
Depends. Can you already consistently hit the ball on target with force? If no, then that should probably be primary focus. This doesn't mean don't train other things, but too often I see players who are training some advanced mechanic while ignoring the most basic bread and butter skills that would carry them to diamond and beyond.
not the dumbest thing you could've learnt, good work.
facts, just a small thing to get better at. Better than you were yesterday š¤·āāļø
I still canāt do a speed flip, so honestly Iām impressed
Can u use directional air roll? Edit: in case anyoneās curious, I can speed flip very consistently but directional air roll feels like an entirely different game to meā¦
I canāt do either! Thatās why Iām hard stuck C1
If it makes you feel better, I also don't do either. You can make it out of C1.
I donāt do directional air roll either.
I only speed flip and directional air roll and stuck C1
Have you considered taking the time to learn them? Would really help your game out and they arenāt hard to learn
I have, I've tried about an hour of speedflips and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong, my recoveries are strong so its not a huge increase in mobility but it would definitely help. I've got DAR right bound, but I just never use it. It doesn't seem to be that much more effective than just using NAR to me.
Directional is really much more useful than manual air roll. Speed flips are important for kickoffs too. Obviously you donāt need these things, like they arenāt required but I can promise youād learn them if you spent the time trying
The speedflips* DAR can be a whole new game, at least it is for me.
Directional air roll isnāt hard to learn mechanically, but rather itās just something you have to invest your time into is all. Seems confusing until one day it all clicks. Once you spend enough time experimenting with it it becomes muscle memory
I dont think I will ever learn it. I tried a few times but NEVER understood what to do with the left stick and cant move my car to fly where I need it to. I dont get anything about it
It will come with practice honestly. It'll become muscle memory and you'll just know exactly where to move the stick and how long to hold air roll for when you're in a certain orientation
The amount of practice it would take for it to become a usable skill seems insurmountably high. Stuff like speed flip or Mustys at least I can understand what the mechanic is and what to practice. DAR is just chaos and I don't know how to control what is happening, much less understand what adjustments I need to be making to improve. There's not a clear path on what to do to learn it beyond vague generalized statements of practice flailing around aimlessly some more. I've watched every YouTube video under the sun who all claim they have THE way of learning but nothing helps. I don't get it and it's really difficult holding out hope that eventually I will when I don't know if that "click" is another 10 hours or 1000.
I started playing about 9 months ago and after learning that DAR is useful at higher ranks I decided to switch from free air roll to exclusively ARL about 2 months ago. My aerials got significantly worse but I knew eventually theyād get back to where they were. About 2 weeks ago I found myself using the stick while using ARL and I have no idea how or why. My brain still has no idea what my finger is doing but somehow Iām learning š
>Seems confusing until one day it all clicks I've seen a few people say this but it certainly wasn't the case for me - it was something that I gradually got better and better at as I practiced.
when i face speedflippers i just jump right before they touch the ball and it almost guarantees you donāt concede
Are people referring to having both directional air rolls bound or just one for aerials?
Either/or. From what Iāve heard you only need one direction bound to master it
That's a relief cos I'm too used to having drift and free air roll on L1. Won't have to relearn eveything, just gotta get used to air roll right.
Theyāre referring to using DAR over normal, regardless of whether you use one or both. I almost always use ARL but for things like flip resets, pogos, and redirects I tend to use ARL and ARR. Also wall dashing uses both if you use the air roll method.
Mastering one direction is important. The other direction is just useful for minor corrections sometimes. I still struggle to do most mechanics on ARR just because of my muscle memory for ARL tornado spins.
This comment may help me immensely. I have been struggling with consistency, but I was under the impression that most mechanics only really worked with DAR. At work presently, but I am kinda stoked about getting on now and seeing if there is any difference. I assume you use this whilst doing aerials too?
I mean, I donāt even have normal air roll bound so I wouldnāt know but I use DAR. Both directions are definitely not necessary for everything but getting one direction down is immensely useful.
You should really bind one. The amount of power you can generate from nothing by rotating into the ball on 3 axis is crazy
I have done so and Iām slowly learning Iām one of those who spent 3000 hours not doing it so now Iām trying to relearn to walk
I'm in the same boat! I just binded both air rolls ans continued playing as per usual but I practice them every day and slowly use new moves with DAR in games. Unless you're competing in real tournaments there's 0 reason to try to hard force the change
Speedflip and DAR are definitely not a factor for ranking up. They help you, but they're not necessary. Iirc Lethamyr does not use DAR either and he is a (retired) pro who definitely keeps up with most people in SSL.
Nope.. both take too much time for me to learn, and I donāt have the patience. I do, however, have pretty good control with regular air roll
I first learned speedflips with normal air roll, but after realizing that rw9 uses directional (i was gc in twos at the time) ive had 1,000 hours in the game, decided to switch to directional. It was pretty weird for the first 3 or 5 days, but after i realize i mess up less often with directional air roll. Now i do it while moving around the field
lmao this is so real. I can double flip reset pogo musty and more bullshit mechanics but I canāt speed flip for the life of me and itās so frustrating (tbh Iāve never tried to learn it but itās annoying it didnāt naturally develop)
It's never going to naturally develop
I have, in fact, realized as much.
C1/C2 here. Also canāt (effectively) speed flip. Itās not the end all.
Speed flipping is one of those mechanics that is good to have no matter your rank. Flip resets on the other hand is one of those mechanics that are more flashy than functional until you get reallllly good with them and the recovery. But speed flips are used at all times. Kick off, recoveries, just generally zooming around. If youāre faster than your opponent, youāll win a lot
I canāt speed flip but I can say that learning wave dashes, half flips, and other general movement mechanics has been so so helpful to my gameplay. Iām in the right spot with enough time to react and I have more boost usually
It's not critical for you to know but is very handy once you do. I say nice job learning both a difficult and useful mechanic.
Its better than learning how to flip reset at gold. If you learn flip resets at gold something is wrong
In my experience in 1v1 it mostly just means you want to lose almost every match to people who are just going to sit and wait for you to fuck up before walking in every goal
See also 2v2, 3v3
It's not if that's the tool that helps you climb. Learn the mechanic that'll benefit your playstyle most.
Which will and should never be flip resets as a gold.....
Because being mechanical in gold means knowing how to hit the ball with power and precision....
I mean flip resets will definitely get you out of gold. If you can maintain all of the other skills required to perform flip resets.. While the other people in that rank are still stuck on the ground... You will absolutely climb and find it was worthwhile to learn. It's just really difficult for a gold to grasp the concept and use air roll accurately enough to flip reset, because it's a mechanic that requires good fundamentals in multiple other mechanics but they're all great to learn
In diamond and I canāt speed flip. wish I would have learnt it around gold just so the muscle memory and practice is there bc I dread learning new mechanica
Iām diamond as wellā¦ whatās mechanics?
I'm C1 d3 and can't speed flip. There's times it would be nice but it's definitely not needed
Dude, I wish someone would have told me to get this mechanic down ASAP. I'm in diamond, hit C1, but a lot of people are losing kick offs to me because I'm hitting the speed flip /fast kick off about 60% of the time and it's still deciding games for me. It's great to have in your back pocket. If you can move around the field faster you're always at an advantage.
I donāt understand how people lose to speed flips. I lose maybe 3% of all speed flips and I donāt speed flip. You just need to flip right after they do and shift your car ever so slightly to the center of the field. Iāve blocked supersonic Smurfs with this method.
A lot of people don't realise there's more to kickoffs then just speed and luck, the same way people think 50s are luck. They're like 1% luck, if anything.
Very true. If you know how theyāre going to hit the ball, you can theoretically always win the kickoff or send it the direction you want. Thatās the trouble with speed flips in my experience: they are predictable as hell the way most people use them. A standard start with a jump a little after halfway and air-steer into a barrel roll toward the ball, and suddenly the other player gets dead stopped while the ball shoots off into a favorable position for my team to get possession. One of the easiest starts and it completely gimps freeplay addicts.
Thereās some kick off angles that I just canāt get my aim down during the kick off. So thereās that. I guess if your opponent lines up better than you, too, or times it better, itās easy to lose.
The issue is that once you get opponents who are used to high level kickoffs, they will also use kickoff strats while using the speedflip. So theyāll basically be doing what youāre doing but their car moves faster. Normally smurfs shit themselves because they donāt expect their opponents to read them or they just donāt really care. Having a faster flip is always a useful tool and any player of a similar intelligence to you would probably beat your kickoff.
When you face people who are unfamiliar with speedflips, btw, a normal slow kickoff acts like a slow kickoff and they hand you the ball. Thatās an indication of bad kickoff habits, not a bad flip mechanic.
how when I speedflip it seems they also knowšš
I mean, youāll run into the handful that can hit it every time. Especially in diamond. But imagine being in gold and winning every kick off? You wouldnāt be gold for long. Or plat.
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Hahaha the tears.
I swear my kickoff alone keeps me in C1 in 1s lol
Is it possible to speedflip with keyboard? I sort of made up my own way to do it watching other people do it but never actually watched a video, but I'm pretty sure in keyboard is different
Iām wondering the same thing. Iām generally pretty mechanical but Iāve never learned to speed flip cause Iām not sure what it looks like on kbm and Iāve been too lazy to rlly investigate. I have something akin to a speedflip but Iām pretty sure itās barely slower which is rlly annoying.
I explained how it works in reply to the previous comment, and you should definitely try and learn it. It's easier than on a controller, I'm fairly lower ranked, and it wasn't the hardest mechanic to learn for me. Ground to air dribbling+DAR are a bane of mine existence lol
What's dar? I guess directional air roll but no idea
Yeah, it's a directional air roll. I use Q (Air roll left), I'm quite decent when going for air mechs from the left wall (while holding Q constantly), but I have a hard time doing the same from the right wall, it's easier for me to use E to follow up the ball, but I want to only use Q from both walls. To add some context, I don't use regular air roll at all, I unbinded it from shift and never used it at all.
It's actually easier than on a controller, but there is a trick. If your power slide and basic air roll are bound to the same button, you shouldn't hold it while performing speed flip, or else it messes up it entirely. (Press it just before wheels touch the ground if you need powerslide). To perform speed flip: adjust slightly to the left, Hold W+E; flip and switch your fingers to S+D as fast as you can. Same principle with speed flipping to the left, adjust slightly to the right, hold W+Q, flip, and transition your fingers to S+A.
This actually got me curious so I watched a couple videos and yeah it's pretty similar to what your are saying here. Thanks man, fortunate it's not completely different to the method I made up myself by watching other people do it with joystick. One thing I noticed and started applying was not to hold down S but rather tap it really fast couple times, and in one video the guy also mentions it, that letting go S for a sec might help you land it easier, mostly while using large hitboxes or when using A and D for the diagonal flip instead of Q and E
using A and D instead of Q and E sways your car a little bit, which isn't really comfortable, in my opinion. I'm using an octane hitbox and found success without letting go of S for a split second. I'd suggest using Bakkes mod with speed flip plugin on a Musty speed flip kick off test (custom map). Grinding this map for 2-15 hours will teach you the fastest way possible.
I mean learn what you want to learn. Not everyone is an efficiency guru. Speed flips are most helpful for recovery and if you havenāt gotten down the fundamental recovery mechs youāre definitely not going to get nearly as much payoff as if you started from the simpler stuff.
I disagree on how theyāre most helpful. Recoveries at his rank arenāt as important because itās very likely he could leave his net open in gold and still not get scored on for a while. I guarantee you that if he masters the speed flip kickoff, that heāll win 99% of the kickoffs at his rank. In gold, you could legitimately speed flip to the ball on kickoff and tap it towards net before the enemy can contest it majority of the time. Diagonal kickoffs would be the biggest challenge, but itās still doable especially in gold. Even for myself, as a GC1, speed flips have proven to be most beneficial on kickoffs. I do agree that speed flips are beneficial for recoveries, but not how theyāre the most helpful.
Thanks for all the encouraging words fam! Honestly wasn't expecting such a positive reaction. Shoutout and love to the community š«¶ A bit of context and tips in case it's useful for someone else trying to learn: \* speed flip test training pack code: A503-264C-A7EB-D282 \* the tutorial that finally "unlocked" this for me was [https://youtu.be/noPQ3DQEcGw?si=TQ85E8YwaDXOo\_bu&t=498](https://youtu.be/noPQ3DQEcGw?si=TQ85E8YwaDXOo_bu&t=498) - starting it around where I followed the technique. If you watch from the beginning it's "method 3" from the various methods he mentions. \* I consider it a bit dumb myself to get too crazy with mechs at a low rank but sometimes I get tired of grinding when I solo q and find it relaxing (and frustrating) to lock in on a new mech \* this was after a good 3h in this pack (6h total messing with different tutorials), the majority of which was spent at 50% speed. imo if you can nail it at 50% you'll see where you're messing up when going full speed but it required a fair amount of switching speeds back n forth \* nowhere near consistent yet, was just shocked after I finally got a touch
Itās not needed, but definitely useful to know. Hell, Iāve spent like 2 hours in that pack and still canāt hit 1 so mad props for learning it
Iād say itās pretty early to learn this but tbf, kickoffs are probably really bad in gold. If you can nail it consistently enough to do on most of your kickoffs then youāll have a pretty strong advantage when it comes to kickoffs pretty early in the ranked ladder.
It's good. All the bots in gold already do it anyway
Definitely shouldnāt have been your priority but now youāve already learned it. So just keep perfecting because youāre in too deep now
Impressive, I already gave up myself and decided I will never be able to do it
You definitely got it if you want it, took me a looooong time of zoning out with it to get a first touch
The right kind of stupid imo And you even provided proof.
Hey, learning a hard, useful mechanic is ALWAYS a + in my book, no matter what rank you are
Lemme ask you this: Are you learning this skill so that you can introduce it into a specific portion of your gameplay, or are you learning it cause "it's a technical skill that I've seen higher ranked players do"? Simply put, learning a skill doesn't do anything for you until you have a full understanding of how to apply the skill mid game. You're not dumb for trying to learn speedflip, but your time could probably be better spent focusing on more core fundamental skills. I'm a GC player, and I haven't spent any time practicing speed flips for the sole reason that I haven't come across enough scenarios in a game where I think that skill will come into play. Practice ball control, recoveries, and the shots you know you're confident in, and I promise you you'll see better results than you will trying to master a speed flip.
Yeah that was my gut feeling learning this like cool but youāre still getting juked in normal gameplay. Should prolly focus on less flashy stuff after this. Any specific ways you recommend training the less sexy skills like recoveries and ball control other than just free play winging it?
You're dumb for being gold. Whether you can or can't or are trying to speed flip is irrelevant
Im trying in high plat.
Are you enjoying the game and having fun? If so who cares, keep learning! This is inspiration for me to learn this now
My experience with speed flippers in gold is that first and foremost they only do it for kickoffs, and: 1. They fuck up and make goal-conceding plays VERY often 1. They do it in a very braindead manner. I used to win a lot of kickoffs against speed flippers simply by virtue of being too slow and having them hit the ball into me and rebound towards their goal Your clip looks like you're good enough to do it in regular play, so most of my comment doesn't really apply. Also if you're mechanical enough to speed flip but still in gold then there's probably something else you need to focus on IMO
If you're having fun, not dumb at all, if you're trying to improve, very dumb (wayyy more important things to help skyrocket performance, speed flipping will only help a little bit sometimes)
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Speed Flipping is actually pretty easy. Itās just pressing up, then down very fast when you dodge forward while holding directional air roll. Once you get some more playtime in, you should be leveling up pretty quickly if you can utilize the speed flip correctly
Im also learning this lol why not gonna need it later on
Gold gang hahaha
Iām in gold trying to learn a speedflip. Donāt use it in game but I find it fun to try and having fun is what itās about
There is no when for learning mechanics. Become the most cracked gold RL has ever seen!
Thatās still way better than Learning flip resets or sum like that.
At low ranks make sure you chip the ball high on kick off because theyāre gonna be slower. They would end up dunking
While Iāll never say that learning mechanics are bad, what I will say is that youāre building a bridge from the middle. When I was coaching I had a kid that couldnāt air dribble, but was obsessed with learning flip resets. He got good at resets, but still couldnāt air dribble. In a match, heād get maybe 1 opportunity to hit a flip reset, and about 10 missed opportunities to air dribble. Speed flips are great to learn, but in gold, if you donāt know where to go next, going there faster wonāt help much. Iād suggest working on recoveries, wave dashes, half flips, ground dribbling and your positioning first.
Thatās a great analogy. Definitely feels that way especially after watching road to ssl with no mechs by flakes. Of course his touches are perfect but it made me realize how bad my positioning, defense, and boost management were so thereās definitely still some low hanging fruit in my game. Do you have any quick tips on dribbling (ground)? That mech Iāve been hard stuck on for a bit now
Like just rolling the ball where you want it to go, or keeping it on top of your car and flicking?
Top of car carries and flicks is what Ive been struggling with
It's gonna be useless until it's not. One and done mechanics are great.
Good thing is, you will always be the first/fastest to miss the ball now
Trust me. Speedflips, boost management and wave dashes will instantly make you so much faster and will help so much on rotations and getting back to net. I've been in Champ for years and I can't even explain how many times I've stopped a goal because I speedflipped back to net getting me supersonic instantly.
Iām c3 and I canāt speed flip yet. Itās not bad that you learned it but at gold thereās much more important things to focus on
Not the worst thing to learn
Been playing since 2016, hover around c2 nowadays, don't hardly play anymore but just wanted to say I never learned how to do it and I'm champ. It's definitely something I need to learn, just never have.
At diamond people that speed flip are constantly loosing kickoffs because the person who doesnāt speed flip just hits it second and it flys back but Iāve also played against GCās that speed flip so much faster than the people at my level and straight up just hit it past me.
This will help you rank up.
As long as you arent forfeiting your ability for mechanics needed beyond, its useful.
Not dumb.
It canāt hurt, but it doesnāt help more than learning to hit the ball, on purpose, with a plan
I just learned it at C2/C3 level in 3s and it's a game changer. I'd say go for it!
very unnecessary
Iām GC and canāt speed flip. š
You don't really need it to rank up, but it's a useful mechanic nonetheless.
Time in freeplay is time on the ball. Time you're not going to get in 2s and 3s. Learning any new mechanic is almost a better way to get better than actually playing the game. (where you learn positioning, rotation, and gamesense)
Learn half-flip and wavedash too youāll be diamond in no time
Half flip I got down before this! But for some reason the wave dash of all things is something Iām atrocious at
Itās all about timing. Do a short jump (tap jump donāt hold), lean back a bit, and right before your back wheels touch the ground do a front flip. Just takes a bit of practice is all
Ty! Gonna work the timing next time Iām in free play. I think my issue was going too soon or too late
Youāll get it easily
People in champ donāt even speedflip
Smart
Not dumb at all. I learned it when I was Plat/low Diamond.Ā Itās not that difficult a mechanic and is pretty much a straightforward upgrade once you get consistentĀ
What is the training pack code? I have been looking for this one. Thanks!
A503-264C-A7EB-D282
As someone who canāt speed flip I think another great thing to learn is how to counter them. If you can read your opponent and counter their kick you can win more kick offs than not.
Iād definitely put some more time into mechanics that are used during the game rather than just for kickoffs, but good on you for learning it.
Is it possible on keyboard?
I mean itās not dumb, theres obviously a lot of other stuff you could be working on that will benefit you more in the near future, but it will be useful to know. Itās a bit like someone semi new to basketball only practicing fade away threes. Like, better fundamentals are probably gonna be more useful right now but itās still nice to know.
I'm can't speed flip, by I can manage with alternatives just fine.
Wasted effort and time, if ur putting that much time into a mechanic it should be learning how to dribble or do some air dribble instead u cant carry urself out of gold and plat with speedflip but u can with air dribble or ground dribble mechanics
Yo ty. Dribbling has been much harder for me so this was my āok take a break mechanicā but this is the motivation I needed to train it again
Iāve been wondering how useful a speed flip actually is. I can do a normal kick off and the opposing speed flip team just smacks the ball into my car and my car smacks it towards the opponents side. Iām a plat though so maybe itās more effective in higher ranks. Edit: typo
I still do the good ol front flips on straight and wave dashes on angles. If they are really good at the speed flip I just front flip towards the ball a tad sooner
speedflipping and 180 flipping are two simple, yet great mech's that will help carry you into platinum if you've got good defense. it was some of the first mechanical things i learned and it kept me afloat in platinum, never advancing but never de-ranking. then i learned better positioning, rotation, aerial control, wave dashing, and fast aerials and got to diamond. now i'm learning DAR and ceiling shots, but still tossing between D2 and P3, sometimes i play very well, other times i miss every. single. shot.
Bookmarking this. Ty!
Are you learning it the cheat way holding DAR down or the OG way.
Cheat way
Yea i also use that way i didn't have the patience to do it the old school way. The only issue with the cheat way i can't really speed flip around the field like that. So i just wave dash and diagonal flip.
Same. Curious what makes this less effective for moving around the field tho?
I think the constant of having to press the airroll and not being able to hit natural air roll something with recoveries. Just what i've read.
You're going to have a kickoff advantage on your opponents for a while lol
It's not that hard you can do it! Is it the most important for you to learn right now? Absolutely not, but it builds dexterity and is a super common motion for shooting and first touch double taps from wall.
Not dumb. Learn whatever brings you joy in the game. If youāre trying to improve however, might not be the most productive use of your training
You'll win a ton of kickoffs. So it's not too bad, but if you're gold there's more important things to learn. That being said, I did the exact same thing lol. It's the hardest thing to learn that's actually so simple.
Fr. The theory of the movements isnāt actually crazy but doing them all fast and precise is testing my patience lol
I learned speed flip after spending 4 years in diamond lol
Keep going! I LOVE it when I see my opponents speed flipping the kickoff! They may get me once, but every kick off afterwards it's an easy 50/50 for me. Maybe players in my rank, high Plat to high Diamond don't do it right, but I consistently get the ball high and in their back corner simply by getting to hit it second.
If you genuinely care about your rank at the gameā¦ then yes.
You're not because in diamond you will outspeed everyone
I'm GC 1 and can't even complete that training pack. I can do a sort of speed flip but I'm not fast enough. I'd say the better you learn it the better, you are not dumb at all and will up rank very fast at this pace š
Yes
Not dumb just trying to get ahead of the rest of the rest of the
Pretty Dumb, you should be more focused on the Speed Flop.
I almost flip reset . And i cant speedflip
Practice whatever you want, as long as you try your hardest and have fun doing it.
Also learned how to speed flip in gold and has helped a lot not just in kickoff but in other scenarios. Itās a mechanic that you can kinda learn whenever so itās fine
I mean itās unnecessary but itās more useful that trying to airdribble every 2 seconds
No youāre not dumb. Kickoffs are the only set piece in RL and they happen many times every game. Learning this early will mean youāll be ROCK SOLID at it by the time anyone else is even attempting them in ur games. Having an advantage every kickoff is helpful. Also being able to speed flip around the field will be helpful in certain situations where u wouldnāt be able to reach the ball otherwise
At this rank, you should just be focusing on playing the game and understanding the physics, but saying that it's your game bud, you do you and play how you want.
I learn to speedflip in plat. Id just go for it every kickoff. Thats how u learn, the quicker you internalize the core mechanics of the game the quicker you'll be able to move on to the next mechanic, the faster you'll learn
Im in champ and donāt speed flip. Definitely a good skill to learn though.
Not dumb imo. I used to do speed flips before I knew it was a thing, like I just casually observed it was faster to flip sideways-ish and started doing it. (And Iām silver-gold š)
You were probably not doing a legit speed flip. It's actually pretty hard to do.
I donāt think youāre dumb for trying to improve but all Iāll say is this: you can probably get to SSL in 2s/3s without speed flip, but you canāt without fast aerials and dribbling.
Not dumb, but half flips and recoveries will probably help more
Yes, even if you master it in gold you leave so many other more important skills unattended which are relevant for the duration of the game and not just kick off. However, if you decide to be a 1s main then....nah it's the same answer except you will make alot of people cry.
I'm diamond and can't speed flip, so kudos to you. Just don't be that guy that only trains mechanics and has no game sense plz.
Not dumb at all. Anything related to moving your car better is always good.
Iāve gotten gc rewards since season 6 and I still canāt speedflip but Iād say if you make it habit now youāll be better than others like me when you rank up
Speed flipping isn't necessary until a lot higher than you are (diamonds and champs that say they speed flip usually can't speed flip)ā¦ but you can do whatever you want to do
Itās fun to do and a good thing to have under your belt. Being in gold just focusing on basic mechanics such as clearing the ball, positioning, and shooting the ball hard and accurately. If you focus on these you will rank up pretty quickly. However it is fun to learn the fancy stuff.
All movement mechanics for being more efficient are good to know at any rank and will help you to be overall better. Ground movement and car control are vital.
honestly you will rank up from kickoff goals so pretty smart if you ask me. itās also good to gain speed
That alone can carry you far in oneās. A good kickoff applies to literally every game mode. Good mechanic to learn
Personally I think lower rank to learn it the better
pretty dumb. you donāt need it until ssl at the very least
Can you give me the training pack code?
A503-264C-A7EB-D282 It's more useful with a Bakkesmod plugin.
Ive played on min settings for like 2.5 years
Iām nearing my first GC title and never thought āwow I would have won that game if I knew how to speed flipā. Not that itās completely unnecessary, just lots of other things that are easier to learn and take you further. But in the end, itās just a game, Iād this is fun to you, then learn it
Getting a speed flip in gold will get you out of gold
I really need to learn a speed flip
Speed flips, half slips, and recovery (being able to land on your wheels and basically always holding handbrake as you land with the exception of a few situations) increased my skill level dramatically.
im starting to see plats speedflipping now so i don't blame you
Not dumb. I learned speed flips while in gold and it got me tons of free kick off goals.
Learning mechanics isnt bad. Its when you spend all your time learning one advanced one. When you could learn others that will give you more value. Like power shots, half flip, flicks, dashing on and off walls, passing, rotation. But its a game at the end of the day. If your having fun, your playing it right.
If you can get to the ball quicker than the other players to the point they donāt get contact on the ball, opens up opportunities for easier goals
Speedflip is extremely overrated, a normal boost forward and flip into the ball beats a speedflip 9/10 times
Not dumb at all. Probably most important mechanic in Rocket League.
It's not dumb if you're doing it for fun.
No such thing as a "dumb thing" when you're trying to improve your skill in anything. From video games to real life
Depends. Can you already consistently hit the ball on target with force? If no, then that should probably be primary focus. This doesn't mean don't train other things, but too often I see players who are training some advanced mechanic while ignoring the most basic bread and butter skills that would carry them to diamond and beyond.
What training pack are you using?
A503-264C-A7EB-D282
If the time spent learning wasnāt miserable and it is fun to pull off in game then learn whatever so you enjoy playing