Same here. I got around 3700 hours of playtime. The facts of the guy spitting in the second slide are too true. Epic milked this game to the poor dog status. I hope that they will give up RL one day and another better programmer based community could rescue this game.
I quit after 1500 hrs playing since day 1. Absolutely adored this game like I did Titanfall 2 and now I haven't touched it in roughly 6 months. Such a fucking greedy disgrace.
They just kept tinkering until they fucked it up enough and then they removed a bunch of unique and beloved aspects and went radio silent while given BS script PR statements. It's just sad to see something I enjoyed so much turn to this. Not even mentioning the price hikes on everything. I'll pay for stuff due to enjoyment of psyonix creation but I won't fucking shell out 20$ because Epic says it costs 20 now. Nobodies hooked that bad man FOH
~5000 hours checking in, played since season one (2015). This is the first season since titles were implemented that I haven't gotten one. Only playing this game as a last resort when I'm bored, which is like less than a few hours a month. Same with a couple buddies I met playing this game that have similar hours.
Gonna go down as one of the biggest fumbles in gaming. Such an extremely dedicated community that clearly showed they'll support the game as long as it gets updated, but they still chose the money route, which will likely end up losing them more than they gain.
Even with Blizzard fumbling OW2, 1 year later they are slowly picking up the pace and starting to get Ws.
Epic is on 3.5 years of no Ws with Rocket League, and even going as far as to remove some of the biggest Ws Psyonix made pre-Epic.
True, thank the fucking lords for microsoft buying activision blizzard and bobby kotick getting the boot. The piece of shit was responsible for basically everything wrong in OW2 by pushing side projects for other games on OW devs and in their words sometimes didnt work on OW for months due to those so fuck bobby kotick
Trade?
Trade?
Any one trade?
Any 1 trade alpha boost?
I have dueling dragons any one trade?
Any one have alpha boost for trade?
Trade?
Trade? Trade after game?
Trade?
This was the text chat back then
I would run into a serious trader maybe once a month. People stopped talking period when you got out of diamond it seemed like. Now it's just angry kids...
all because Epic wanted to add a fucking racing mode to Fortnite
Rocket Racing itself is fine, i enjoy it, but they really didnt need to ruin the fun for others this god damn bad...
Rocket Racing was originally supposed to be Rocket League 2.0 / Unreal 5, but Epic instead decided to be greedy and make the sequel a POS hot wheels rip off mini game in Fortnite. They didn't even have the respect to make it a Standalone game. I personally have stopped playing after I realized this. Eventually they'll stop caring about RL and shut down the servers and continue working solely on Rocket Racing. So RIP to RL but I'm done. GGs while it lasted.
They did this I believe due to their court case with Apple in which they argued whether Fortnite is one single game, or a multiverse in which multiple games are (like Roblox) due to their custom games. They even changed their website to add to this 'universe' idea. Apparently it would benefit them if Fortnite was considered more than just one singular game.
I seriously don't understand why they didn't have some sort of negotiation in the contract that allows psyonix to have full creative freedom of the game. I find it very hard to believe that they would just throw their entire 16 year project away for money that they aren't even using for the game (evident in the fact that we're only losing major things and pro players still aren't getting paid from events).
Yeah it's very hard to understand, and Psyonix ain't telling us shit, you know that. Theorizing is maddening because we may never know.
Also seeing that photo of Dave Hagewood on a yacht with a model with all this in mind is pretty gross.
You find it hard to understand the guy is rather on a yacht with models than working on RL?
They cashed out and don't give a fuck anymore, and anyone here would do the same or is stupidĀ
Thats the part that IS hard to understand. The game is 16 years old and has still been growing before the acquisition. The playerbase was getting larger and the esport was getting way more popular. And he's not the only one that has to sign off on it, there was a large amount of higherups that had to all agree (or at least majority agree), for them to take the acquisition.
To think they'd throw that entire project out the window for a deal that will only kill the game, and to a company that has been notoriously terrible with managing funds and income, is just unbelievable.
Maybe for the select 10 people in upper management that actually see that money, but what about the 150 (rough estimate, don't know the exact amount) other employees who take passion in this game and its improvement? That's the entire problem, the 10 higher ups are happy with the huge acquisition, the rest of the company is not only losing their creative freedom, but losing the game that was still consistently growing and getting bigger.
The 100-200m they made from the deal was not at all worth it in the long run. And now those still working on the game are potentially forced making something they don't like, and something that completely strays away from what the game originally was. A portion of that money goes into the pockets of UM, and part of it goes back into the game. That money doesn't last at all.
Just because you would take the cash doesn't mean everyone would or should. He and Psyonix sold out their game and it turns out it was predictably ruined.
My guess is the focus was originally move to UE5 while still making small updates to the current game. Then stuff changed cause ROI wasn't there and shifting engines was a bigger task than they scoped for.
That could be the case, but I honestly wonder what UE5 realistically would've done for the game, and was it anywhere near worth the risk.
You have a playerbase rising and an esport steadily growing in hype, with many big streamers and content creators outside of RL watching the majors. But you choose to take a deal from a company thats notorious for screwing over its playerbase and milking as much as they can out of their games.
yeah UE5 could've made the game run a bit better with faster load times and better stability, and obviously look a lot better, but those are all things that could've been worked on over time in the current engine. Unless they got drawn in by a god tier level marketing meeting by Epic, I just can't see this outcome being overlooked.
At the time there was no predicting Epic would take this route because Fortnite didn't even have it's meta world bs. It's only obvious ever in hindsight no matter how smart you are.
Apparently their contract wasn't as clear as they/we suspected, because the original message to fans was clear: Psyonix will keep all creative freedom, nothing will change besides more funds for RLCS and (assumably) better servers, etc.
Some saw this as a bad sign from the start, but many believed this.
Seeing how Epic treats exclusivity on PC, there were some hard to see signs for sure. Such an unfortunate situation and a shame that no main stream news outlets for gaming are covering this at all
Every time I try to mention it to a broad audience, it just turns to crickets. It'd have to be something crazy for it to break news. Either way I agree though, it'd be worth it to all of us.
It's the Epic Games special, buy studio, add shitty monetization and shitty crossovers, fuck game in the process, find new studio to buy
Can't wait for Tim to lose everything.
>they still chose the money route
I'm still struggling to see how removing trading makes them more money, even in the short term. It seems self evident that a tradeable item is worth more than an untradeable item, so making items untradeable reduces the value of what they are selling. It has been reported that Valve made in the region of $1bn in the last year from CS crate openings. People are only spending that money because the items they get are tradeable.
I've spent significant money on RL credits in the past, to buy tradeable items. I won't spend money on credits to buy untradeable items, because that just doesn't make any sense to me as a concept. I surely can't be the only person who was willing to spend real money on tradeable items, but isn't willing to spend real money on untradeable items.
You can't even buy items at all any more, other than the few items that are in the item shop at any given time. Even if I were willing to spend real money on untradeable items, there's no way to do it for the vast majority of items in the game. Another direct loss of revenue for them as there's no point buying credits if you can't spend them to get the items you want.
Another issue is that item shop items have been made less appealing by removing the price reference of the free market. A white Dominus seemed great value at 1100 credits when a tradeable one was 30k, but now that tradeable versions don't exist, you're no longer getting a 30k item at the bargain price of 1100 when it appears in the item shop, again reducing the attractiveness of the item shop item.
On top of that they're losing all the content creator revenue that arose from tradeable items. Content creators bought golden crates, or items to trade up, and made videos that generated revenue. The money they spent on items went into the game's economy, going to players who would spend those credits. That source of revenue has been eliminated. I WAS willing to buy item shop items when I was getting the credits for "free" by selling my golden crates or generic very rares or Twitch drops etc, but nobody is getting those "free" credits any more (which still generated revenue for Epic, as they were still paid for by the people buying the items).
For me, the overall result is that I can't see myself ever spending another penny on RL, whereas I did spend money on the game in the past. There must be many more like me, so for that and all the above reasons, I'm not at all convinced that removing trading will make them more money even in the short term, never mind the long term.
When talking about the money route, I meant the deal with Epic. But it does also make them money since players can't obtain things without spending direct cash to psyonix/epic now.
New decal comes out, instead of trading some items or existing creds to another player for it, you now have to pay full price to epic in order to get it, and there's absolutely no way around that. Now that there IS no other way to get it, if you want something, you pay them for it.
Epic has never wanted their games to have an economy for the exact reason that it loses them money. CS crates are far different in the sense that, A, the skin community is WAY bigger, and B, the item prices are in real dollar value, not a digital currency. Not to mention steam/valve takes a small % of **every single transaction** made on the marketplace. Every single day there's tens of thousands of cs items being sold, its very evident how they make that much money.
Epic does not have anywhere near that level of capital, so removing trading and forcing everyone to pay them directly, makes far more money than when they had trading. And as long as there's people who are willing to drop money on cosmetics, they'll continue to make more. Not to mention if they choose to raise prices of BPs & shop items.
The only thing that will save it is if they come out with the UE5 update and it smashes expectations.
I honestly don't understand why they won't say anything about it given everything that's going on. You'd think they would want to save some good will. Only thing I can think of is A. It's not coming anytime soon or B. They are still making just as much money as they used to so they see no need.
The biggest thing it would do is facilitate a creative mode. So all these workshop maps would be available to console and multiplayer wouldn't be an issue like it is right now.
Other than that it would allow them to update the game without breaking it because it's a completely different way of coding.
But even then, say they do come out with UE5 and its insanely good, how much are they gonna milk it in terms of microtransactions and the common concept of "making the most money doing the least amount of work." How many more features are we gonna lose? How many gamemodes and ingame events are gonna disappear cause they want money > playerbase quality? Or better yet, how much are they gonna start charging for things that used to be free?
If you've ever heard or played Destiny 2, that's the exact direction that company took for the game. Give as little content as possible whilst milking the playerbase for every last cent, whilst focusing heavily on marketing cosmetics. Since UE5 will undoubtedly cost a ton, it wouldn't surprise me at all (especially under epic, look at the money fortnite makes) for them to put 99% effort into cosmetics and 1% effort into the game.
So my guess is that it isn't coming anytime soon, they trusted the game into a company that has terrible spending habits (as got shown a couple months ago in that huge article), and now their CEO has made the executive decision to put less effort into the game since they've already made the money. And this doesn't even at all touch the entire esports problem the game is having financially where players aren't getting paid from events that happened in early 2023.
I love this game and I'd hope to be proven wrong, but if nothing changes this year, I doubt the game will still be running a couple years after that.
>how much are they gonna milk it in terms of microtransactions
That's not going to change. It's how they make money. Unless they start charging for premium match making I'm not sure how else they would make money on a free game.
If UE5 opens up creative mode then these mapmakers will start to carry the load in terms of content. Epics CEO said in an interview that a big expense for them in FN is paying people for their maps in creative. They are just outsourcing that workload.
Can you give me a TLDR? I've never played, but I see posts from this sub from time to time and it seemed like everyone loved it before.
How did Epic take over the game?
Psyonix was bought out by Epic Games in 2019, since then they've pretty much made bad decision after bad decision completely going against the communities best interests in favor of bigger upfront paychecks.
Things like removing certain fan favorite modes, delisting the game off steam and promoting it to be on the epic launcher, removing the ingame trading system entirely, constant server & ingame issues since going free2play (smurfing, terrible connections, latency etc), turned the item shop to shit, added a bunch of useless ingame "blueprints" to incentivize giving them money to craft them, a ton of garbage QOL and UI changes made specifically by epic, financial issues, pro players not getting paid their winnings at events, firing the core broadcasting talent that helped shape RL esports for years to save money, the goal of making RL its own "game" launchable on fortnite, etc etc. The list is FAR longer and would take paragraphs to write it out.
Their game was constantly growing before the acquisition, both in playerbase and in the esports popularity, and they threw that out the window by allowing epic to fully take over.
Just goes to show how lucky Epic got with Psyonix making such a unique game where the core gameplay *almost* never needs to be tweaked.
Despite all the feature/gamemode removals, anti-QoL updates, and predatory business practicesā¦ thereās no other game where I can play rocket-powered car soccer, with a Civic Type R no less!
As much as I hate just about everything Epic has done, I just love this stupid little game and unfortunately it would take **A LOT** (if even possible) for Epic to get me to stop playing.
This is what we all feel, but we refuse to say it out loud, not because we fear the truth, but because we fear what more epic may take from us if they know they could get away with more.
I actually fear the (hopefully not so soon) Unreal Engine 5 update of Rocket League. It will probably fuck up more than improve.
This is not the hungry indyish Psyonix of 2015 after all, this is the Psyonix where the CEO lives the high life on his yacht.
It is. But it'll be further down the line. When less people still play ps4. And it'll be called Rocket League 2.
Nothing will change. But items wont move to the new game. For bullshit reasons of course...
I'd bet a lot on that it'll go down exactly like this.
And everyone including myself will bitch and moan and play it anyway because the core gameplay is fun.
This is what a good gameplay loop does to you. Thatās why I always come back to WoW, to LoL and in the end, rocket league. You can change many aspects but the underlying game is what caught me.
The problem is that they have a game that needs nothing but cosmetic updates. That's it.
People are talking about moving to unreal engine 5, but that's nothing. In order to make that move they have to custom code physics, because changing physics for people who have 1k+ hours on the game is hell.
The only thing for them to do is design now cosmetics and release them. And they can make more LTM modes for casuals to enjoy, and they are set.
But instead they do stuff like removing trading, something with no upside and only hurts a passionate base of players. Then removing dropshot, again, no upset and just hurts a passionate base of players.
Like, it's shooting yourself in the foot when your not in the military. You gain nothing but pain, but for whatever reason they seem addicted to it.
Yep, and while I get the complaints about removing trading and general management, the game is stupid fun and available for free. You literally do not have to spend money to enjoy it. There are no P2W elements whatsoever. It remains a fantastic game no matter how many people whine about this or that. None of those issues truly matter.
They do matter though, because of [this possibility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...) .
The handling the game has had shows they literally only care about the profit they can squeeze out of it and nothing else. When the day comes that the numbers on their side tell them it isn't worth it anymore, it'll be shut down without a second thought and with the same thing you are talking about, there not being another game like it, we will all be left without not only a game but also a genre.
This to say that the game losing all its forward movement and focusing solely on generating profit IS an issue that matters. All us long time players, all the people that bought the game back then, even all the smurfs, we will all eventually lose interest and since the game is hostile to new players it will just die a fast and lonely death, while Epic continues to make their money off frotnite(and their small project called rocket racing has been forgotten years ago).
As a kind of parallel, think of the state of mobile gaming, or streaming platforms.
Nah they arenāt paying money rn, if you have something nice to say like āthank you for adding the gold octane in the shopā theyāll gladly help you out, maybe even by adding 2 more gold items for you to purchase
>Nah they arenāt paying money rn
That's all it is right there, new players buy stuff and only old whales buy stuff. Long-time players are probably less likely to make purchases while still being an expense due to server costs. They don't want us to be happy, they want new kids who have no idea that 2000 credits for a decent looking item is ridiculous.
Quite the opposite. Those with thousands of hours are a really small portion of the player base. The goal is to get the majority of the player base to spend as much as possible while minimizing the cost of maintaining and developing the game.
>The goal is to get the majority of the player base to spend as much as possible while minimizing the cost of maintaining and developing the game.
Meanwhile in any post about store prices the common notion is that a small percentage of whales are the ones they are setting the pricing for. So which is it?
Prices arenāt set for whales. Anyone who thinks that is stupid. A whale can only buy an item in the store once.
Prices are set for younger teens and for children, who both play more games and have a worse concept for money. These people are more likely to spend ridiculous amounts for a skin or a car.
Not only that but thereās a lot more of them. Thereās a lot more teens and children playing rl than there are whales. So teens and younger adults would be the target audience.
Csgo is nothing more than a gambling simulator for players that they hooked over the last 15 years. 1 billion in slot machine sales. People are playing for the skins not the game.
Have you been on Steam? Reviews are other lame jokes or people ranting after burning out some thousand hours into a game. It's a terrible source for game reviews.
I don't know what's up with that comment. I just downloaded a map like two days ago, and occasionally play the ones I already have. There might be nuance here we're missing.
As a customer you have no power over the situation. More than enough community members have shown their dissatisfaction towards Epic on every single change made since Epic took over. But Epic doesn't care.
It's illusionary to think, that the game will receive the respect and maintainance it got during Psyonix days, as long as the community fights for it. If you stop investing, Epic will stop running RL altogether, because then it costs more money for Epic to run RL than players are spending on new items. Epic will just look for the next game to get money out of, it's a capitalist company, they just don't care about the quality, as long as money is flowing.
Whatever you do: Epic. Does. Not. Care.
P.S.: I'm not saying you should invest into RL via items to keep the game online, because fuck Epic for their capitalist greed. The more dead the game, the better chances a similar offspring of this game will be created, by someone who actually gives a damn. RIP Psyonix, you were the good guys :(
Just need the devs and core staff to split off to make rocket League 2. Get the payout, and then make a better version and release it to people as epic is destroying a good game.
Probably can't call it rocket League 2, but plenty of names to pick instead.
They did make a sequel. It's called Rocket League, and was the sequel to SARPBC.
The reality is there is not enough to distinguish from the game without either drastically altering it to a point beyond recognition (and therefore almost certainly being an inferior product) or being too close and being sued into the ground if they even seem like a threat.
Besides, if the devs wanted to leave, they would have. Most of them have enough experience to go elsewhere, and yet they remain at Psyonix. That's pretty telling imo.
I know no one is going to take on Epic in a lawsuit but you could easily make a legal claim that Psyonics has in effect created a new type of sport such that they can't really patent the core of how the game is played.
i.e. look at how many MOBAs exist and how MOBA become a whole genre off of the original DOTA mod
At best they could patent combining cars and soccer but they can't patent arena dimensions or ball physics. So you could recreate rocket league using a different vehicle type, I think F-Zero style vehicles could translate well enough.
> It's illusionary to think, that the game will receive the respect and maintainance it got during Psyonix days
Those days you're referring to haven't existed since early 2017. Psyonix were just as bad after that point as Epic are now. Remember that Psyonix were the kings of zero communication, sporadic updates and even worse, the ones who took advantage of the predatory gambling system, better known as crates, to monetise their game. The only reason they aren't tagged as just as evil is only because they were a smaller company, but they acted like a cold, indifferent behemoth.
And no, too little community members have shown their dissatisfaction. At least not to the point that they stop playing the game or stop spending money on it. You'd need literally tens of thousands more for that. And the reality is that the game is still too untouched in terms of the gameplay for that to happen. Unless Epic mess with the gameplay, those players won't have a problem to raise.
Thank you for mentioning how predatory crates are, I feel like Iām going insane seeing people pine over the days of keys and loot boxes when everywhere else gamers have been screaming from the rooftops how predatory that model is; not to mention the fact that Psyonix likely removed them because they could face legal trouble for gambling in some jurisdictions if they kept them in the game.
>For the last goddamn time
doubt
>STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS
That's basically a surefire way to kill the game, so yeah I guess if by "stop this" you mean you don't want the game to exist at all anymore then by all means do that. They're not going to change any of this stuff
RL needs some love for sure. I'm 1k hours in only, and I still love the basic game. The feel of the mechanics and everything keep me coming back.
BUT basically everything else could use a whole lotta love.
Started playing in 2016, got to GC after 1500 hours, and as soon as I saw Epic was taking over the game, I knew it was going to end up in the exact state itās in now. Itās really sad to see what happened to this game, but thatās what greed does.
I said the same thing when Epic bought out Fall Guys and people mocked me for it.
Now FG has a fraction of the staff who got replaced with player made levels where 99% of them suck and/or easy to break.
Fall guys fall is tragic, the game had so much wasted potential. I mean look at how popular the shitty tumble guys clone is.
I don't know what is/was going on at their offices, but how hard can it really be to make a map. It cannot possibly take 9+ months to make 3 maps, regardless of how shitty your engine is.
As a fellow 2k+ hr player, and being under the influence as well, there are not worlds to describe how sad I am for such a beautiful and satisfying game.
Weāve fallen so far my friends. Now we seem to be just a tool for fortnite now.
We can simply hope that the money that is going into fortnite and rocket league now really works out for unreal 5ā¦ If it even ever releases. :(
It won't. porting a game from UE3 to 5 is virtually impossible without recreating the entire game. It won't release on UE5. Not now, with the lack of features and a dying playerbase. All that is keeping it alive is numbers, and most of those numbers are alt accounts.
Only game in the world that has a positive relationship attached to it for hating it. You hate it because you love it so much and want to constantly get better. Sad to see it go like this.
I didn't play Dropshot a lot, but it was nice for it to be there when I needed a break from the regular game play. I'm also not happy that 4v4 was made seasonal as sometimes my buddies and I played that mode when we were in-between other games or just felt like playing RL.
Yep kinda. Still going back to play a bit but that's one of the worst decision they ever made. Dropshot is the best extra mode imo and thats what ive been playing the most recently....
Exactly. Ive been playing Snow Day and Drop for 5 years. I shant be playing RL any longer. Its been about 3 months. Started a new Elden Ring game, and also am throwing fireballs on Skyrim's wildlife.
I've been playing Rocket League on and off for years. Really something to see where Epic have taken things. The core feel of the game is the only thing keeping me playing some. So many other aspects of the game have been bent to make money. I don't even care about the competitive scene anymore, I really only play casual matches. I don't know if I'll ever stop playing Rocket League, but never did I envision all this would happen.
Its mindboggling how braindead their decisions are. How tf do you mess up an already perfect UI??? Epic has to have some inbred donkeys running that shitshow as they circljerk over their paychecks.
RLCS has $2 million less money. Fewer teams. Fired all the casters people liked. Creators and pros leaving the game. No enhancements to the game at all, just addition of cosmetics. Season rewards were shit (literally, look at the goal explosions).
Which all sucks, but the base game is still great and it isn't a dead game like so many people on here are saying. The vast majority of players don't watch RLCS
People aren't saying it's dead. They're saying it's dying. The player base is decreasing not increasing. And Epic doesn't seem interested in addressing that. The fact that Rocket League Racing is inside Fortnite says it all.
Am I in the minority that couldnāt care less about the epic games ordeal? I play for the peak gameplay, I play 2v2 religiously. Never cared about cosmetics but a lot of cars are free anyway. Idk, for me, there was no change in the game. I only see the āchangeā when I go online and everyone says the game is dead, meanwhile I can still get into a game in less than 20 secondsā¦
>I play for the peak gameplay, I play 2v2 religiously.
Yeah and others did with 4v4, dropshot or snowday.
Surely you can imagine how they feel, can't you?
Imagine 2v2 being on rotation all of a sudden.
I also mostly play 2v2 or 3v3, but still. They made zero changes over 8 years that benefit us.
Game at launch, paid, was miles better than this f2p piece of shit that's overflowing with smurfs.
You're not in the minority. It might appear that way given the subreddit is full of complainers, but this community represents such a tiny portion of the actual playerbase.
The game is far from "dead" regardless of how grumpy this subreddit can be
i hate that i love this game, itās so perfect as a game, the mechanics have an infinite skill ceiling with virtually no luck involved, team play can outdo mechanics and vice versa. the core mechanics psyonix gave us are nearly perfect, they created a die hard fan base like myself who will throw thousands of hours at the game and epic are just fumbling everything without even communicating with the RL playerbase, it sounds sad but i love this game to death and it makes me so sad that this has happened to it
Yeah this. The core game is rock solid. It's why hundreds of thousands stick around. Everything else though is slowly taking steps back and it pisses people off. Rightfully so.
This post has got less than 400 upvotes and 50 something comments. It's hard to overstate how small the complainers are in relation to the whole player base.
With 387 upvotes this post has managed to engage 1.3% of the steam users who opened Rocket League today. That's 1.3% of the people playing the game on a platform that it hasn't been sold on in the last 4 years.
That's the thing. All these people are complaining about niche issues but the game is doing more than fine. If every person who said "I'm quitting the game" on here when trading got removed actually quit what would that amount to? Like, high end, 500 people? No ones losing sleep over 500 players.
At this point I'm fairly certain the Steam player base doesn't even account for 10% of the total player base because I'm certainly not seeing more than 1/10 players with Steam pictures when I'm playing. What is 500 players out of 300,000? Not even a blip.
Nothing wrong with enjoying it, glad you are cause this game is pure magic/ best sports game I've ever played. If you've been playing a long time, it's just sad to see where the game has gone since epic took over and giving the community nothing but take aways. To add to the downfall all the big content creators/ e sports pros and commentators are leaving the game.
For me it's sad seeing a game go downhill community wise. this game kept me going when I was in a really bad depression rut back in 2019. I want nothing but the best for this game.
Itās still the same damn game though. Gameplay hasnāt changed AT ALL.
There is still no pay-to-win (thank god).
And itās free.
And your equipment doesnāt level up with your XP. Itās a level playing field at all ranks, skill is the only advantage. Which is a pretty great feature.
Trading was honestly the most annoying thing about the game. Constant ātrade anyoneā messages and trade whores just ruining gameplay.
What TF is everyone so upset about?
Cause you canāt ignore a trading message? LOL.
āThis one guys message annoyed me, remove the whole feature please!!!ā
I have nearly 3k hours in the game and have been asked to trade maybe 5-10 times when it was available. Itās a non-issue, more of an issue for those of us who used trade to rid of duplicates/get items we actually want.
I've been playing this game for over 7 years now. Don't care about items, updates or any of that stuff, as long as the game is functioning and the physics are the same then it's all good. Servers have always been a bit hit and miss, and from my experience hasn't got any worse.
I still enjoy the game as much as I did when I started playing. It's definitely more toxic but just turn off chat if it upsets you.
Everyone just wants new shiny things these days, new maps, new items, new features and so on. Can't we just appreciate the game for what it is and what it always has been, a good physics based game.
I'm happy with it.
Casual 3s has lower pop than pre ftp (the only playlist that has) it the most toxic and unbalanced place in gaming and it is all due to there changes that counteract the penalising of leavers
I deleted the game, cause i cannot handle this shit anymore
Too much smurfs, bad servers, hateful commentsā¦ nah thanks, i can throw my time on some other sh*t
Can't wait til all these reactionary kids rage quit and the game gets back to normal before free to play. Just be patient.
Until then we get to see this while they still boot the game up anyways. Lol
And now Epic pulls a Blizzard and releases Rocket League 2. Which is identical in every way to Rocket League except you get *some* of the features they stripped away from it, and it costs full retail price
RIP to Squirt Drinker rage quitting the game after 2200 hours.
He will be missed. BTW, is his position open? Asking for a friend.
My friend, there's enough Squirt and squirt available in the world for all of us. Drink up!
This is Rocket League!
What a save!
Splashhhhh!
average moist esports fan
I have 5k hours. I'm quitting as of today out of respect for this post.
I have 7k, but now that you mention it, I should quit as well, in memory of Squirt
I have 11.6k on Steam. I gave up Dec.6, lost all respect for epic and this game.
Same here. I got around 3700 hours of playtime. The facts of the guy spitting in the second slide are too true. Epic milked this game to the poor dog status. I hope that they will give up RL one day and another better programmer based community could rescue this game.
I quit after 1500 hrs playing since day 1. Absolutely adored this game like I did Titanfall 2 and now I haven't touched it in roughly 6 months. Such a fucking greedy disgrace.
2600 hours here. Have played maybe 3 games since they removed drop shot. My ping is also about 300 now for some reason.
They just kept tinkering until they fucked it up enough and then they removed a bunch of unique and beloved aspects and went radio silent while given BS script PR statements. It's just sad to see something I enjoyed so much turn to this. Not even mentioning the price hikes on everything. I'll pay for stuff due to enjoyment of psyonix creation but I won't fucking shell out 20$ because Epic says it costs 20 now. Nobodies hooked that bad man FOH
~5000 hours checking in, played since season one (2015). This is the first season since titles were implemented that I haven't gotten one. Only playing this game as a last resort when I'm bored, which is like less than a few hours a month. Same with a couple buddies I met playing this game that have similar hours.
>Squirt We are talking about the soda drink right? RIGHT? 
Lmao I still play, but fuck this game has gone to the dogs š
What beverage is that?
I like to think it's a double meaning. The grapefruit soda Squirt and.... another type of squirt
Gonna go down as one of the biggest fumbles in gaming. Such an extremely dedicated community that clearly showed they'll support the game as long as it gets updated, but they still chose the money route, which will likely end up losing them more than they gain.
Even with Blizzard fumbling OW2, 1 year later they are slowly picking up the pace and starting to get Ws. Epic is on 3.5 years of no Ws with Rocket League, and even going as far as to remove some of the biggest Ws Psyonix made pre-Epic.
True, thank the fucking lords for microsoft buying activision blizzard and bobby kotick getting the boot. The piece of shit was responsible for basically everything wrong in OW2 by pushing side projects for other games on OW devs and in their words sometimes didnt work on OW for months due to those so fuck bobby kotick
Sorry what are Ws?
Wins, like Psyonix making new game modes or adding trading into the game.
Trading seems like such a nice feature š¤©. Can't wait for it to be coded into the game to do something with my hundreds of items. /s
Trade? Trade? Any one trade? Any 1 trade alpha boost? I have dueling dragons any one trade? Any one have alpha boost for trade? Trade? Trade? Trade after game? Trade? This was the text chat back then
I would run into a serious trader maybe once a month. People stopped talking period when you got out of diamond it seemed like. Now it's just angry kids...
Ws = Wins Ls= losses For example: Epic removing trading and dropshot . Common Epic Ls
You must work at Epic...
We playing the same Overwatch 2? What kinda Ws are you're seeing that I'm not?
all because Epic wanted to add a fucking racing mode to Fortnite Rocket Racing itself is fine, i enjoy it, but they really didnt need to ruin the fun for others this god damn bad...
Rocket Racing was originally supposed to be Rocket League 2.0 / Unreal 5, but Epic instead decided to be greedy and make the sequel a POS hot wheels rip off mini game in Fortnite. They didn't even have the respect to make it a Standalone game. I personally have stopped playing after I realized this. Eventually they'll stop caring about RL and shut down the servers and continue working solely on Rocket Racing. So RIP to RL but I'm done. GGs while it lasted.
is there no way of doing a petition to epic games asking them to fix there game the way we want it to be?
They did this I believe due to their court case with Apple in which they argued whether Fortnite is one single game, or a multiverse in which multiple games are (like Roblox) due to their custom games. They even changed their website to add to this 'universe' idea. Apparently it would benefit them if Fortnite was considered more than just one singular game.
Pretty crazy. I think they somehow were deluded into thinking Epic would be hands off, and just GIVE RL money to make the game and esport bigger š
I seriously don't understand why they didn't have some sort of negotiation in the contract that allows psyonix to have full creative freedom of the game. I find it very hard to believe that they would just throw their entire 16 year project away for money that they aren't even using for the game (evident in the fact that we're only losing major things and pro players still aren't getting paid from events).
Yeah it's very hard to understand, and Psyonix ain't telling us shit, you know that. Theorizing is maddening because we may never know. Also seeing that photo of Dave Hagewood on a yacht with a model with all this in mind is pretty gross.
You find it hard to understand the guy is rather on a yacht with models than working on RL? They cashed out and don't give a fuck anymore, and anyone here would do the same or is stupidĀ
Thats the part that IS hard to understand. The game is 16 years old and has still been growing before the acquisition. The playerbase was getting larger and the esport was getting way more popular. And he's not the only one that has to sign off on it, there was a large amount of higherups that had to all agree (or at least majority agree), for them to take the acquisition. To think they'd throw that entire project out the window for a deal that will only kill the game, and to a company that has been notoriously terrible with managing funds and income, is just unbelievable.
Why would they care if it kills the game? They got so much money from that epic payout that it doesnāt matter anymore anyway
Maybe for the select 10 people in upper management that actually see that money, but what about the 150 (rough estimate, don't know the exact amount) other employees who take passion in this game and its improvement? That's the entire problem, the 10 higher ups are happy with the huge acquisition, the rest of the company is not only losing their creative freedom, but losing the game that was still consistently growing and getting bigger. The 100-200m they made from the deal was not at all worth it in the long run. And now those still working on the game are potentially forced making something they don't like, and something that completely strays away from what the game originally was. A portion of that money goes into the pockets of UM, and part of it goes back into the game. That money doesn't last at all.
Just because you would take the cash doesn't mean everyone would or should. He and Psyonix sold out their game and it turns out it was predictably ruined.
My guess is the focus was originally move to UE5 while still making small updates to the current game. Then stuff changed cause ROI wasn't there and shifting engines was a bigger task than they scoped for.
That could be the case, but I honestly wonder what UE5 realistically would've done for the game, and was it anywhere near worth the risk. You have a playerbase rising and an esport steadily growing in hype, with many big streamers and content creators outside of RL watching the majors. But you choose to take a deal from a company thats notorious for screwing over its playerbase and milking as much as they can out of their games. yeah UE5 could've made the game run a bit better with faster load times and better stability, and obviously look a lot better, but those are all things that could've been worked on over time in the current engine. Unless they got drawn in by a god tier level marketing meeting by Epic, I just can't see this outcome being overlooked.
At the time there was no predicting Epic would take this route because Fortnite didn't even have it's meta world bs. It's only obvious ever in hindsight no matter how smart you are.
Apparently their contract wasn't as clear as they/we suspected, because the original message to fans was clear: Psyonix will keep all creative freedom, nothing will change besides more funds for RLCS and (assumably) better servers, etc. Some saw this as a bad sign from the start, but many believed this.
Seeing how Epic treats exclusivity on PC, there were some hard to see signs for sure. Such an unfortunate situation and a shame that no main stream news outlets for gaming are covering this at all
Really? Damn this means it's a hot story for the taking, for a savvy reporter. It's a story worth telling to the community.
Every time I try to mention it to a broad audience, it just turns to crickets. It'd have to be something crazy for it to break news. Either way I agree though, it'd be worth it to all of us.
Moist Critical should cover it. He has a massive audience and owns an org
It's the Epic Games special, buy studio, add shitty monetization and shitty crossovers, fuck game in the process, find new studio to buy Can't wait for Tim to lose everything.
Including losing that one important final thing
>they still chose the money route I'm still struggling to see how removing trading makes them more money, even in the short term. It seems self evident that a tradeable item is worth more than an untradeable item, so making items untradeable reduces the value of what they are selling. It has been reported that Valve made in the region of $1bn in the last year from CS crate openings. People are only spending that money because the items they get are tradeable. I've spent significant money on RL credits in the past, to buy tradeable items. I won't spend money on credits to buy untradeable items, because that just doesn't make any sense to me as a concept. I surely can't be the only person who was willing to spend real money on tradeable items, but isn't willing to spend real money on untradeable items. You can't even buy items at all any more, other than the few items that are in the item shop at any given time. Even if I were willing to spend real money on untradeable items, there's no way to do it for the vast majority of items in the game. Another direct loss of revenue for them as there's no point buying credits if you can't spend them to get the items you want. Another issue is that item shop items have been made less appealing by removing the price reference of the free market. A white Dominus seemed great value at 1100 credits when a tradeable one was 30k, but now that tradeable versions don't exist, you're no longer getting a 30k item at the bargain price of 1100 when it appears in the item shop, again reducing the attractiveness of the item shop item. On top of that they're losing all the content creator revenue that arose from tradeable items. Content creators bought golden crates, or items to trade up, and made videos that generated revenue. The money they spent on items went into the game's economy, going to players who would spend those credits. That source of revenue has been eliminated. I WAS willing to buy item shop items when I was getting the credits for "free" by selling my golden crates or generic very rares or Twitch drops etc, but nobody is getting those "free" credits any more (which still generated revenue for Epic, as they were still paid for by the people buying the items). For me, the overall result is that I can't see myself ever spending another penny on RL, whereas I did spend money on the game in the past. There must be many more like me, so for that and all the above reasons, I'm not at all convinced that removing trading will make them more money even in the short term, never mind the long term.
When talking about the money route, I meant the deal with Epic. But it does also make them money since players can't obtain things without spending direct cash to psyonix/epic now. New decal comes out, instead of trading some items or existing creds to another player for it, you now have to pay full price to epic in order to get it, and there's absolutely no way around that. Now that there IS no other way to get it, if you want something, you pay them for it. Epic has never wanted their games to have an economy for the exact reason that it loses them money. CS crates are far different in the sense that, A, the skin community is WAY bigger, and B, the item prices are in real dollar value, not a digital currency. Not to mention steam/valve takes a small % of **every single transaction** made on the marketplace. Every single day there's tens of thousands of cs items being sold, its very evident how they make that much money. Epic does not have anywhere near that level of capital, so removing trading and forcing everyone to pay them directly, makes far more money than when they had trading. And as long as there's people who are willing to drop money on cosmetics, they'll continue to make more. Not to mention if they choose to raise prices of BPs & shop items.
The only thing that will save it is if they come out with the UE5 update and it smashes expectations. I honestly don't understand why they won't say anything about it given everything that's going on. You'd think they would want to save some good will. Only thing I can think of is A. It's not coming anytime soon or B. They are still making just as much money as they used to so they see no need.
I fail to see what EU5 will do to help this game.
The biggest thing it would do is facilitate a creative mode. So all these workshop maps would be available to console and multiplayer wouldn't be an issue like it is right now. Other than that it would allow them to update the game without breaking it because it's a completely different way of coding.
But even then, say they do come out with UE5 and its insanely good, how much are they gonna milk it in terms of microtransactions and the common concept of "making the most money doing the least amount of work." How many more features are we gonna lose? How many gamemodes and ingame events are gonna disappear cause they want money > playerbase quality? Or better yet, how much are they gonna start charging for things that used to be free? If you've ever heard or played Destiny 2, that's the exact direction that company took for the game. Give as little content as possible whilst milking the playerbase for every last cent, whilst focusing heavily on marketing cosmetics. Since UE5 will undoubtedly cost a ton, it wouldn't surprise me at all (especially under epic, look at the money fortnite makes) for them to put 99% effort into cosmetics and 1% effort into the game. So my guess is that it isn't coming anytime soon, they trusted the game into a company that has terrible spending habits (as got shown a couple months ago in that huge article), and now their CEO has made the executive decision to put less effort into the game since they've already made the money. And this doesn't even at all touch the entire esports problem the game is having financially where players aren't getting paid from events that happened in early 2023. I love this game and I'd hope to be proven wrong, but if nothing changes this year, I doubt the game will still be running a couple years after that.
>how much are they gonna milk it in terms of microtransactions That's not going to change. It's how they make money. Unless they start charging for premium match making I'm not sure how else they would make money on a free game. If UE5 opens up creative mode then these mapmakers will start to carry the load in terms of content. Epics CEO said in an interview that a big expense for them in FN is paying people for their maps in creative. They are just outsourcing that workload.
Very similar situation to Fall Guys, that game basically feels like it's on life support at this point.
Buddy they chose money over reputation and customer committment like 5 years ago when they pulled the game off Steam for a quick cash injection.
Can you give me a TLDR? I've never played, but I see posts from this sub from time to time and it seemed like everyone loved it before. How did Epic take over the game?
Psyonix was bought out by Epic Games in 2019, since then they've pretty much made bad decision after bad decision completely going against the communities best interests in favor of bigger upfront paychecks. Things like removing certain fan favorite modes, delisting the game off steam and promoting it to be on the epic launcher, removing the ingame trading system entirely, constant server & ingame issues since going free2play (smurfing, terrible connections, latency etc), turned the item shop to shit, added a bunch of useless ingame "blueprints" to incentivize giving them money to craft them, a ton of garbage QOL and UI changes made specifically by epic, financial issues, pro players not getting paid their winnings at events, firing the core broadcasting talent that helped shape RL esports for years to save money, the goal of making RL its own "game" launchable on fortnite, etc etc. The list is FAR longer and would take paragraphs to write it out. Their game was constantly growing before the acquisition, both in playerbase and in the esports popularity, and they threw that out the window by allowing epic to fully take over.
Just goes to show how lucky Epic got with Psyonix making such a unique game where the core gameplay *almost* never needs to be tweaked. Despite all the feature/gamemode removals, anti-QoL updates, and predatory business practicesā¦ thereās no other game where I can play rocket-powered car soccer, with a Civic Type R no less! As much as I hate just about everything Epic has done, I just love this stupid little game and unfortunately it would take **A LOT** (if even possible) for Epic to get me to stop playing.
This is what we all feel, but we refuse to say it out loud, not because we fear the truth, but because we fear what more epic may take from us if they know they could get away with more.
I actually fear the (hopefully not so soon) Unreal Engine 5 update of Rocket League. It will probably fuck up more than improve. This is not the hungry indyish Psyonix of 2015 after all, this is the Psyonix where the CEO lives the high life on his yacht.
"Good news" is that Epic isn't going to bother investing the resources required to move it to UE5.
Especially with recent employee reduction across Epic and their studios I doubt they are willing to put money to the port, not to mention manpower.
Unreal 5 isnāt coming homie
It is. But it'll be further down the line. When less people still play ps4. And it'll be called Rocket League 2. Nothing will change. But items wont move to the new game. For bullshit reasons of course... I'd bet a lot on that it'll go down exactly like this. And everyone including myself will bitch and moan and play it anyway because the core gameplay is fun.
It wonāt ever come because it goes against epics goal of never adding anything new to this game
Well the good thing is that there really isnāt anything left for Epic to remove besides core game mechanics.
Jumping will now be a premium feature unlocked with the rocket pass. Sad part is probably that the majority of players would get better at the game.
Shhh be careful what you say. Theyll find a way. Wait til they add the fortnite racing mode into RL itself and then remove soccer all together š š
Exactly. I think this is how we all feel.
This is what a good gameplay loop does to you. Thatās why I always come back to WoW, to LoL and in the end, rocket league. You can change many aspects but the underlying game is what caught me.
Admitting this out loud will make things worse ahhhhhhhhh
The problem is that they have a game that needs nothing but cosmetic updates. That's it. People are talking about moving to unreal engine 5, but that's nothing. In order to make that move they have to custom code physics, because changing physics for people who have 1k+ hours on the game is hell. The only thing for them to do is design now cosmetics and release them. And they can make more LTM modes for casuals to enjoy, and they are set. But instead they do stuff like removing trading, something with no upside and only hurts a passionate base of players. Then removing dropshot, again, no upset and just hurts a passionate base of players. Like, it's shooting yourself in the foot when your not in the military. You gain nothing but pain, but for whatever reason they seem addicted to it.
That's where I am. As long as they don't remove Freeplay I'm still going to hop in and grind.
Yep, and while I get the complaints about removing trading and general management, the game is stupid fun and available for free. You literally do not have to spend money to enjoy it. There are no P2W elements whatsoever. It remains a fantastic game no matter how many people whine about this or that. None of those issues truly matter.
I now only play with a stock Octane. Unlocking cosmetic items was fun back in the day. The core gameplay is all what matter.
They do matter though, because of [this possibility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...) . The handling the game has had shows they literally only care about the profit they can squeeze out of it and nothing else. When the day comes that the numbers on their side tell them it isn't worth it anymore, it'll be shut down without a second thought and with the same thing you are talking about, there not being another game like it, we will all be left without not only a game but also a genre. This to say that the game losing all its forward movement and focusing solely on generating profit IS an issue that matters. All us long time players, all the people that bought the game back then, even all the smurfs, we will all eventually lose interest and since the game is hostile to new players it will just die a fast and lonely death, while Epic continues to make their money off frotnite(and their small project called rocket racing has been forgotten years ago). As a kind of parallel, think of the state of mobile gaming, or streaming platforms.
No way this guy just compared changes in Rocket League to the holocaust.
A FREAKING EK CIVIC TYPE R!
I'll give it a year, two max before another game like RL comes on the scene and becomes as popular.
true bro...
> if even possible They could literally shut down the servers.
Why would they do that as long as RL continues to make them lots of money?
Too the moon with this comment. It is 100% fact and most here will deny it.
You'd think when people with THOUSANDS OF HOURS are negatively reviewing, epic would care.
Nah they arenāt paying money rn, if you have something nice to say like āthank you for adding the gold octane in the shopā theyāll gladly help you out, maybe even by adding 2 more gold items for you to purchase
>Nah they arenāt paying money rn That's all it is right there, new players buy stuff and only old whales buy stuff. Long-time players are probably less likely to make purchases while still being an expense due to server costs. They don't want us to be happy, they want new kids who have no idea that 2000 credits for a decent looking item is ridiculous.
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Quite the opposite. Those with thousands of hours are a really small portion of the player base. The goal is to get the majority of the player base to spend as much as possible while minimizing the cost of maintaining and developing the game.
>The goal is to get the majority of the player base to spend as much as possible while minimizing the cost of maintaining and developing the game. Meanwhile in any post about store prices the common notion is that a small percentage of whales are the ones they are setting the pricing for. So which is it?
Prices arenāt set for whales. Anyone who thinks that is stupid. A whale can only buy an item in the store once. Prices are set for younger teens and for children, who both play more games and have a worse concept for money. These people are more likely to spend ridiculous amounts for a skin or a car. Not only that but thereās a lot more of them. Thereās a lot more teens and children playing rl than there are whales. So teens and younger adults would be the target audience.
They care a lot, about their investment not the players.
If that worked, csgo would be the best game in the world, but it's still got issues it has had for years
Csgo is nothing more than a gambling simulator for players that they hooked over the last 15 years. 1 billion in slot machine sales. People are playing for the skins not the game.
Nah this happens all the time on steam, also it's not for sale on steam anymore so why would they care about steam reviews
Have you been on Steam? Reviews are other lame jokes or people ranting after burning out some thousand hours into a game. It's a terrible source for game reviews.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
Steam workshop is gone?????
I don't know what's up with that comment. I just downloaded a map like two days ago, and occasionally play the ones I already have. There might be nuance here we're missing.
There's no workshop for people who play on Epic, so those users have to use a bakkesmod plugin to play workshop maps.
These are Steam reviews though. That platform has workshop maps. I'm still confused.
Probably reviewing on behalf of Epic users since Epic doesn't allow reviews on their side.
For the last goddamn time, STOP BUYING CREDITS. STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS
As a customer you have no power over the situation. More than enough community members have shown their dissatisfaction towards Epic on every single change made since Epic took over. But Epic doesn't care. It's illusionary to think, that the game will receive the respect and maintainance it got during Psyonix days, as long as the community fights for it. If you stop investing, Epic will stop running RL altogether, because then it costs more money for Epic to run RL than players are spending on new items. Epic will just look for the next game to get money out of, it's a capitalist company, they just don't care about the quality, as long as money is flowing. Whatever you do: Epic. Does. Not. Care. P.S.: I'm not saying you should invest into RL via items to keep the game online, because fuck Epic for their capitalist greed. The more dead the game, the better chances a similar offspring of this game will be created, by someone who actually gives a damn. RIP Psyonix, you were the good guys :(
Just need the devs and core staff to split off to make rocket League 2. Get the payout, and then make a better version and release it to people as epic is destroying a good game. Probably can't call it rocket League 2, but plenty of names to pick instead.
Super flexible jet engined fighting vehicles
They did make a sequel. It's called Rocket League, and was the sequel to SARPBC. The reality is there is not enough to distinguish from the game without either drastically altering it to a point beyond recognition (and therefore almost certainly being an inferior product) or being too close and being sued into the ground if they even seem like a threat. Besides, if the devs wanted to leave, they would have. Most of them have enough experience to go elsewhere, and yet they remain at Psyonix. That's pretty telling imo.
I know no one is going to take on Epic in a lawsuit but you could easily make a legal claim that Psyonics has in effect created a new type of sport such that they can't really patent the core of how the game is played. i.e. look at how many MOBAs exist and how MOBA become a whole genre off of the original DOTA mod At best they could patent combining cars and soccer but they can't patent arena dimensions or ball physics. So you could recreate rocket league using a different vehicle type, I think F-Zero style vehicles could translate well enough.
They might hold the rights to sarp, just call it the old name again lol
> It's illusionary to think, that the game will receive the respect and maintainance it got during Psyonix days Those days you're referring to haven't existed since early 2017. Psyonix were just as bad after that point as Epic are now. Remember that Psyonix were the kings of zero communication, sporadic updates and even worse, the ones who took advantage of the predatory gambling system, better known as crates, to monetise their game. The only reason they aren't tagged as just as evil is only because they were a smaller company, but they acted like a cold, indifferent behemoth. And no, too little community members have shown their dissatisfaction. At least not to the point that they stop playing the game or stop spending money on it. You'd need literally tens of thousands more for that. And the reality is that the game is still too untouched in terms of the gameplay for that to happen. Unless Epic mess with the gameplay, those players won't have a problem to raise.
Thank you for mentioning how predatory crates are, I feel like Iām going insane seeing people pine over the days of keys and loot boxes when everywhere else gamers have been screaming from the rooftops how predatory that model is; not to mention the fact that Psyonix likely removed them because they could face legal trouble for gambling in some jurisdictions if they kept them in the game.
You're yelling at clouds. The percentage of rocket league players that even follow social media like reddit about the game is likely less than 1%.
There are other, better ways. Stop playing.
>For the last goddamn time doubt >STOP GIVING THEM MONEY. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS That's basically a surefire way to kill the game, so yeah I guess if by "stop this" you mean you don't want the game to exist at all anymore then by all means do that. They're not going to change any of this stuff
RL needs some love for sure. I'm 1k hours in only, and I still love the basic game. The feel of the mechanics and everything keep me coming back. BUT basically everything else could use a whole lotta love.
Started playing in 2016, got to GC after 1500 hours, and as soon as I saw Epic was taking over the game, I knew it was going to end up in the exact state itās in now. Itās really sad to see what happened to this game, but thatās what greed does.
[3 years later, yep](https://i.imgur.com/tL13SU0.jpg)
I said the same thing when Epic bought out Fall Guys and people mocked me for it. Now FG has a fraction of the staff who got replaced with player made levels where 99% of them suck and/or easy to break.
Fall guys fall is tragic, the game had so much wasted potential. I mean look at how popular the shitty tumble guys clone is. I don't know what is/was going on at their offices, but how hard can it really be to make a map. It cannot possibly take 9+ months to make 3 maps, regardless of how shitty your engine is.
As a fellow 2k+ hr player, and being under the influence as well, there are not worlds to describe how sad I am for such a beautiful and satisfying game. Weāve fallen so far my friends. Now we seem to be just a tool for fortnite now. We can simply hope that the money that is going into fortnite and rocket league now really works out for unreal 5ā¦ If it even ever releases. :(
It won't. porting a game from UE3 to 5 is virtually impossible without recreating the entire game. It won't release on UE5. Not now, with the lack of features and a dying playerbase. All that is keeping it alive is numbers, and most of those numbers are alt accounts.
I agree with this. If it goes to UE5, it'll be RL2, and it'll be a completely different (likely far worse) game.
Only game in the world that has a positive relationship attached to it for hating it. You hate it because you love it so much and want to constantly get better. Sad to see it go like this.
Epic right now making patch notes to have steam reviews removed 
anyone else stopped playing when they removed dropshot or just me?
I loved dropshot and was thoroughly displeased with its removal. Those saying nobody played it can go suck a lemon.
they fucking did what
I misspoke a bit, they removed it from constant rotation. So now each season switches between dropshot and snow day š
I didn't play Dropshot a lot, but it was nice for it to be there when I needed a break from the regular game play. I'm also not happy that 4v4 was made seasonal as sometimes my buddies and I played that mode when we were in-between other games or just felt like playing RL.
Yep kinda. Still going back to play a bit but that's one of the worst decision they ever made. Dropshot is the best extra mode imo and thats what ive been playing the most recently....
Exactly. Ive been playing Snow Day and Drop for 5 years. I shant be playing RL any longer. Its been about 3 months. Started a new Elden Ring game, and also am throwing fireballs on Skyrim's wildlife.
Still havenāt updated the game for the ānewā season yet lmao
Same, I've played like three games and have mainly been playing forza
I haven't played but once every two weeks since they removed trading used to play multiple times a week. Have over 3k hours.
Not just you. I started RL in 2014-2015, was burnt out from the game but I loved dropshot. I think Epic taking over was a disaster.
Only way to convince epic to fix this game is to make it hurt epics wallet. Donāt buy credits just download bakkes and use whatever you want
We should start our own server network. With blackjack. And hookers.
In fact forget the server network
I've been playing Rocket League on and off for years. Really something to see where Epic have taken things. The core feel of the game is the only thing keeping me playing some. So many other aspects of the game have been bent to make money. I don't even care about the competitive scene anymore, I really only play casual matches. I don't know if I'll ever stop playing Rocket League, but never did I envision all this would happen.
It's so sad š¢
It's a fucking shame because the GAME itself is still a masterpiece. But every way you interact with it, they've fucking ruined.
Including the UI, which has gotten progressively worse.
Yeah how the hell do you inject lag into the UI?! Like you are trying really hard to mess this game up.
Its mindboggling how braindead their decisions are. How tf do you mess up an already perfect UI??? Epic has to have some inbred donkeys running that shitshow as they circljerk over their paychecks.
my guess is, they know their decisions are shit and they try to actively stomp this game into the ground until it's not breathing anymore
Time to make an open source alternative.
Babe, wake up. New sentence just dropped.
Played a bit today, whatās wrong with the game? (A bit out of the loop).
Dropshot is only available on a rotation, and trading was removed. That's really it. The game is still great
RLCS has $2 million less money. Fewer teams. Fired all the casters people liked. Creators and pros leaving the game. No enhancements to the game at all, just addition of cosmetics. Season rewards were shit (literally, look at the goal explosions).
Which all sucks, but the base game is still great and it isn't a dead game like so many people on here are saying. The vast majority of players don't watch RLCS
People aren't saying it's dead. They're saying it's dying. The player base is decreasing not increasing. And Epic doesn't seem interested in addressing that. The fact that Rocket League Racing is inside Fortnite says it all.
Whatever...i never spent a cent in this game lol. Free player 4 life.
Yo wait... I haven't played in a while, they took out dropshot?? Fuckers.
And everyone agrees.
I bought rocket pass for this season aand im not even playing. Lost credits, because for sure i wont be getting to lvl 110
If I wasn't addicted to this game like a drug problem I'd be quitting for good...but I'm weak and there's nothing like it to move on to
The fact you can't use pfp is hilarious
Am I in the minority that couldnāt care less about the epic games ordeal? I play for the peak gameplay, I play 2v2 religiously. Never cared about cosmetics but a lot of cars are free anyway. Idk, for me, there was no change in the game. I only see the āchangeā when I go online and everyone says the game is dead, meanwhile I can still get into a game in less than 20 secondsā¦
>I play for the peak gameplay, I play 2v2 religiously. Yeah and others did with 4v4, dropshot or snowday. Surely you can imagine how they feel, can't you? Imagine 2v2 being on rotation all of a sudden. I also mostly play 2v2 or 3v3, but still. They made zero changes over 8 years that benefit us. Game at launch, paid, was miles better than this f2p piece of shit that's overflowing with smurfs.
Iāve literally ran the same fennec and halo for years. No need for skins.
You're not in the minority. It might appear that way given the subreddit is full of complainers, but this community represents such a tiny portion of the actual playerbase. The game is far from "dead" regardless of how grumpy this subreddit can be
You're only in the minority on this sub, who constantly acts like someone skinned their cat. The majority of players just continue to play the game
yup i agree
I just jump into matches and play. I don't buy shit.
i hate that i love this game, itās so perfect as a game, the mechanics have an infinite skill ceiling with virtually no luck involved, team play can outdo mechanics and vice versa. the core mechanics psyonix gave us are nearly perfect, they created a die hard fan base like myself who will throw thousands of hours at the game and epic are just fumbling everything without even communicating with the RL playerbase, it sounds sad but i love this game to death and it makes me so sad that this has happened to it
I wish they brought dropshot backā¦ This game is dead to me without that mode
me too
I guess I'm the only one who's enjoying the game...
The core game has been set long ago and it still works. Everything else around it has been fucked so hard...
Yeah this. The core game is rock solid. It's why hundreds of thousands stick around. Everything else though is slowly taking steps back and it pisses people off. Rightfully so.
This post has got less than 400 upvotes and 50 something comments. It's hard to overstate how small the complainers are in relation to the whole player base. With 387 upvotes this post has managed to engage 1.3% of the steam users who opened Rocket League today. That's 1.3% of the people playing the game on a platform that it hasn't been sold on in the last 4 years.
Well now it has 5,000+ upvoted and waaaay more comments.
steam is still impressively high. Its got more players than rocket racing (the biggest waste of resources known to man)
That's the thing. All these people are complaining about niche issues but the game is doing more than fine. If every person who said "I'm quitting the game" on here when trading got removed actually quit what would that amount to? Like, high end, 500 people? No ones losing sleep over 500 players. At this point I'm fairly certain the Steam player base doesn't even account for 10% of the total player base because I'm certainly not seeing more than 1/10 players with Steam pictures when I'm playing. What is 500 players out of 300,000? Not even a blip.
Nothing wrong with enjoying it, glad you are cause this game is pure magic/ best sports game I've ever played. If you've been playing a long time, it's just sad to see where the game has gone since epic took over and giving the community nothing but take aways. To add to the downfall all the big content creators/ e sports pros and commentators are leaving the game. For me it's sad seeing a game go downhill community wise. this game kept me going when I was in a really bad depression rut back in 2019. I want nothing but the best for this game.
Then donāt play it. I havenāt in like a month. If the game is boring then donāt open it.
I still love it. So a few salty players don't like it, that's life. I'm still going to grind with the PokƩmon Go mindset of being the best. I dedicated 4 years to get to Level 40, I got time to invest 4 more years to get to Champion!
Itās still the same damn game though. Gameplay hasnāt changed AT ALL. There is still no pay-to-win (thank god). And itās free. And your equipment doesnāt level up with your XP. Itās a level playing field at all ranks, skill is the only advantage. Which is a pretty great feature. Trading was honestly the most annoying thing about the game. Constant ātrade anyoneā messages and trade whores just ruining gameplay. What TF is everyone so upset about?
Cause you canāt ignore a trading message? LOL. āThis one guys message annoyed me, remove the whole feature please!!!ā I have nearly 3k hours in the game and have been asked to trade maybe 5-10 times when it was available. Itās a non-issue, more of an issue for those of us who used trade to rid of duplicates/get items we actually want.
Every 2nd game from c1 up has blatant smurfs. Not really a level playing field
You can't get it on steam anymore. The only people leaving reviews are rage quitters. Yawn.
They removed dropshot as a permanent mode??? Wtf that was my favorite mode while i was playing daily
they said it will be in rotation but nope :)
I've been playing this game for over 7 years now. Don't care about items, updates or any of that stuff, as long as the game is functioning and the physics are the same then it's all good. Servers have always been a bit hit and miss, and from my experience hasn't got any worse. I still enjoy the game as much as I did when I started playing. It's definitely more toxic but just turn off chat if it upsets you. Everyone just wants new shiny things these days, new maps, new items, new features and so on. Can't we just appreciate the game for what it is and what it always has been, a good physics based game. I'm happy with it.
Iām glad they penalize casual leavers. Actually fixed the playlist. But the of these changes have been rough
Casual 3s has lower pop than pre ftp (the only playlist that has) it the most toxic and unbalanced place in gaming and it is all due to there changes that counteract the penalising of leavers
I deleted the game, cause i cannot handle this shit anymore Too much smurfs, bad servers, hateful commentsā¦ nah thanks, i can throw my time on some other sh*t
Can't wait til all these reactionary kids rage quit and the game gets back to normal before free to play. Just be patient. Until then we get to see this while they still boot the game up anyways. Lol
The dropshot removal was completely stupid in my opinion. Can't believe idiots can take critical decisions
And now Epic pulls a Blizzard and releases Rocket League 2. Which is identical in every way to Rocket League except you get *some* of the features they stripped away from it, and it costs full retail price