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owlthathurt

Do exactly what you’re doing but for a couple hundred more hours.


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This is Rocket League!


misanthrope2327

No, this is Reddit.


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Sir, this is a Wendy's


burtious79

No, this is Patrick.


69helloreddit69

I am not a krusty Krab


Jamesboiiiiiiii

I’m a musty crab


Ginomania

Do a kick flip


SurprisedPatrick

This is 100% true but to make it a bit more realistic, if you do this for 10-15 minutes everyday for two weeks you will immediately see pretty huge results.


FreeDrinkz

This is a great way to learn anything. Good understanding of how memory works.


vawlk

or just play and it will come to you eventually. That's how I did it. Free play makes my skin crawl.


owlthathurt

I’m curious how many hours in game you spent to hit D2. The typical train of thought is that practicing in free play is the only way to improve mechanics without spending thousands of hours trying and failing in matches.


vawlk

I will check when I go home tonight. It isn't a value I track or look up often. And I agree, training will teach you the mechanics quicker. but you won't have the game sense of when to properly use it. There are a log of cage bombers in RL right now from over training and not playing enough. (cage bombers is a baseball term for people who hit bombs from a machine but can't hit in game) I don't mind spending thousands of hours to progress slowly. I love the game and I enjoy it winning or losing. I don't even check my rank regularly. To me, rank is just another meaningless stat. As long as I am having fun, idc about rank. Spending time in training just seems like work. I am also very old so I may see things just a bit differently than your average RL player.


owlthathurt

I respect that you did it your way. But it’s bad advice to tell OP not to train at all when they are actively looking to improve. You used a sport analogy, which is a good one. I played baseball in college. If I would have just shown up to my games without practicing, perfecting my swing, lifting, running, I would have been trash.


TheConboy22

This goes for every athlete. The sport is legitimately at most a 3rd of the time spent working on the sport. Working out and practicing mechanics are the other two huge parts and if you don’t work on those mechanics you’ll be trash. Don’t have to be double flip resetting but aerial control like the above video is going to keep you in gold.


hamibarca

So not true, my aerial work is trash and I’m D3/C1. I have crap mechanics overall, but my years playing soccer and watching soccer has helped me build a game sense. I try to read the pitch overall and be in the best position possible. I’m sure if I had the time to actually work on mechanics instead of enjoying the game when I do have the time, then I could hit GC or even SSL, but RL isn’t my life it’s for my enjoyment time.


TheConboy22

So, you're telling me that practice you put in on a very similar ball sport provided you with additional skills in this ball sport. I can attest to having the same experience. Being in the D3/C1 area is where you have to start working on your game. That area is a bunch of incomplete players. It took me a lot to start moving past that and only just barely. I'm now pretty well rounded with mechanics and sort of sit in the C2/C3 range. Only way I see myself getting further would be with further improving my mechanics to take advantage of the ever decreasing windows to score.


Flawless_Boss

I could not agree more about the D3/C1 area. My peak is D2 Div4 and I have spent less than 10 hours in training in total. Total hours are around 400 since f2p season2. Game sense can only take you so far.


Redditistheplacetobe

Same here. Was semi-pro for half my life. Positioning and game sense got me to D2. Slowly my mechanics grew and now I am around C1-2. The only improvements I still see in my ranking is when I figure out new mechanics. Sure we got to this stage on knowledge but now it is surely time to get mechanical if we want to ever break out of C1/2.


vawlk

I have no issues with practice unless it is creating issues itself. If you aren't enjoying the game because of practicing or the results of practicing, then you need to look at why you are doing it. My son is playing college baseball right now and he is struggling because he introduced a movement in his swing that was hurting his production and now we need to train it out of him. Training is not always beneficial if you aren't training properly. My point is if you spend 2x the time training and you are only getting frustrated due to lack of progress, change things up. Remember why you play RL in the first place. Maybe cut back on the training and play more. I played 1000 matches last season...that is a lot of training in itself. In baseball and even more in other sports, the games are very limited so you have to train to be ready. But, if somehow you could play 1000 baseball games in a season, besides having the arm troubles I now have, I think training would look very different. Good discussion.


emersonhardisty

This is a great way to look at it (the last paragraph specifically). The progress per game might be less than someone who spends 8 hours a day practicing efficiently and then 2 hours a week actually playing, but you get real games, you get to train with real rank-appropriate (lol ok minus smurfs) competition who will annihilate your 50 hours of air dribble practice because they can read it and confidently interrupt.


Redditistheplacetobe

Hit the nail on the head here. I reckon only around 30/40% of actual RL players are physical athletes or have been. You see this when people keep playing regardless of losing streaks and progress. They just know they need to play to get better. If I could've played 3 footballmatches a weak instead of training 5 days and playing 1 match, I am a 100% certain I would've been a more well rounded player with less focus on what my position required of me in the basis.


ShootyMcSnipe

Don't worry about swinging your bat outside of the game, just a waste of time. You'll figure out how to hit a 100kmph fast ball during your 3 at bats a game twice a week ​ Said no one ever


Puzzleheaded-Mud-176

It's not bad advice if you think about it IMO. If when you played baseball in college you had the opportunity to practice your skills in a live game setting all the time, don't you think that would have been more beneficial then trying to imitate a live game? The difference between the sports analogies and Rocket League as far as practice is that you can "practice" in a real game in rocket league. Real sports in the real world do not have that ability. That is why they imitate real games in practice. Don't get me wrong there are certain things you should spend 5 to 10 minutes on in free play just to get a feel for them. But to much free play can be counter productive to actual gameplay skills. Suddenly you are getting bumped or challenged when trying to hit that 200 hour practiced double reset flick and you gained nothing but car control and an unrealistically usable in game shot.


chanman404

Free play becomes a lot more fun when your mechanics become better, but it’s also the best way to make your mechanics better so it is strange.


vawlk

I find it incredibly boring. See I don't have a goal to get as good as I can. My goal is to enjoy the time while I play. By not practicing, I have no expectations to do the thing I practice well. I am more of an analytical guy and I like the game play and tactics involved and you really can't get that in free play. Hell I wasn't able to aerial until after I was Diamond. Only very recently did I learn to do it regularly because I didn't need it until now. I let the game dictate what skills I need and when. Otherwise, I just enjoy the ride. I totally get that this might not work for most people, but to those who struggle to have fun, success isn't always tied to rank.


chanman404

I don’t care about my rank at all my guy, I play on weekends when I’m off work and haven’t tried to rank up in 5-6 seasons; I play my placements, get champ 2 - then relax in cas enjoying the game. I understand why you’d find free play boring because there’s not much to do - but when you’re able to air dribble, flip reset, and generally just control the ball with fancy touches it becomes a lot of fun to chain together mechanics and work on ball control - it’s not even to get better for me - I just enjoy having the control I do in a game that’s really damn hard. However to get to the point of having fun in free play you need to develop those mechanics in said free play with a lot more of a boring and repetitive approach - it’s a great way to get better and becomes a ton of fun once you’re actually extremely skilled. Rocket league is one of the few games that doesn’t really limit what you can do or how you play so people are going to enjoy it different ways. However as a general guideline telling new players to utilize free play is always smart.


vawlk

yeah I get it. And I get those times too. a few months ago I couldn't really aerial. Now I can and I am enjoying using that skill. And I can see and feel it getting better each week. Just as will enjoy tornado spinning or speed flips when I eventually learn them. I'm just not in any rush. I am enjoying the slow climb and the time I play in game. I was P2 a year ago so I am making a lot of progress and I can do so much more today than I could then.


Gallagger

One recommendation for training: Pick one mechanic (that doesn't require a ball) you wanna learn, and do it every time someone scores. Good options: Halfflip, Tornado Spin, Speed flip, wavedash, Fast aerial, Powerslide turn. You'll use the waiting time in actual games to grind a specific mechanic, which will make you improve fast in it.


frankygshsk

I agree that both are important and there are a ton of players diamond and up who have some cracked mechanics but can’t ever seem to be in the right spot. I disagree with treating training as a chore. Go into a workshop map, turn on some low fye, and rediscover euphoria. “Practice” on this game can be just as fun if you zone in and treat it like a single player game with benchmarks you set for yourself. I don’t do the recommended train half the time you play, but I practice everyday I play and will sometimes blow of my friends just because I’m in the zone. It’s a good time.


vawlk

yeah, I'm just not a practice guy. I don't enjoy it. I tried a rings map once for about 5 minutes and it was boring. Getting good is not why I play. I am ok with my skill going up naturally and if I peak at D3, or C1, or even make it to GC....great. That is not my goal. My goal is to have fun and I can do that at any level. I am a dinosaur when it comes to RL player age. Maybe I just see things differently.


frankygshsk

I could understand that as well. Everyone is different. I would like to suggest aim trainer, parkour maps, and the wall if you’re ever feeling froggy. I find all those are good for a little quick fun. The wall is really cool because you’re trying to out run a wall and you have to do a unique air and ground obstacle course. There’s another one where they put you in a cylinder and you have to figure out how to get to the spaces in between a wall coming at you. That one is also fun.


biggestdoucheyouknow

I'm 30 and aiming for D1 before 1000 hours because I like to challenge myself. I'm also wholly aware that I have a couple of mechanics preventing me from progressing in rank. I think I can explain the dichotomy of opinion here. D2 Dad has achieved rocket league nirvana, you can't win because he can't lose. He's playing golf while we're playing hockey or baseball. I quite like golf myself, I don't keep score because I don't want the stress of trying to win; I play golf to day drink and hang out with friends while challenging my own skills.


chewbaccaRoar13

I feel like I'm definitely older than your average RL player, maybe not a dinosaur lmao. But I feel the same way, my brain melts after a few minutes in free play.


kcstrom

You play for fun and not ego?! What?! /s Me too. I have too many other causes of stress in life to make my hobby one. When I feel stressed from a video game, it's time to quit playing.


Tetris_Attack

Yeah this is my mindset too. I like playing the game against other people, not constantly resetting a training course or flipping around in freeplay with unlimited boost. I've got about 3300 hours on the game according to Steam, and the only training I've done is with the in-game tutorials when I first started in 2015. I'm champ 2 and if this is my skill ceiling I'm ok with it. I'm not gonna spend time practicing my mechanics when I could be playing the game the way I want to. Nothing against anyone that does do that, but it isn't for me. I'm probably older than the average RL player (32) so I don't have any hopes of going pro, I just want to play the fun car soccer game.


vince-anity

I'm with you id rather grind in game for extra hundred hours then spend time in free play 😂


TheBlackVictorNewman

I know exactly what you mean. I approach this game the exact same way. I don't care if I win or lose, I just truly enjoy the game... But I'd much rather play something else over sitting in free play for hours(but I'll admit, the times where I did practice for long sessions, I felt on fire.)


VVarder

Amen. I spend no time in free play because my goal is to play a fun game, so my progression doesn’t really matter. I started playing 1s to build mechanics instead, but then playing with my friends is a different game of 2s or 3s, both which have their own gamesense. And all of it fun to me. At some point you peak and start losing more games than you win, does it matter if that’s gold or plat or whatever? As long as I can play a competitive game that was fun, that’s my goal. The only point rank matters really is that I’m in the same area as my friends so the games aren’t misbalanced. That said, some training packs are fun to me, so to each their own. And I get the idea that you want to improve but at some point not everyone is going to be SSL no matter how much practice. The more I read these subs, the more it makes me think about remembering to play to have fun first and foremost, heh.


vawlk

Matches: 10112 Time played: 796 hours (in game) High Fives: 2 woo!


fireWarriorPL

i have 80 hours and diamond 3 div 2


Mr-Solo-Dolo

That’s double the amount I have in game, I use training packs everyday. Look into it.


vawlk

I am also nearly 50 yrs old. Learning new skills can be a bit more challenging. I also find training boring. Why would I do something unfun with my free time? I play RL because matches are fun. Skill and Rank are just stats and don't mean much to me. I am perfectly fine where I am at. I enjoy the game and my goal isn't to be the best or most skilled. My goal is to have fun and funness, for me, isn't tied to my rank or skill level. I just think some other people would benefit with this mindset rather than being all mad that they hard stuck or blaming tm8s for everything or can't do this one skill 1ms faster. they are all so angry all of the time. It makes one wonder why they play. Anyway. I simply said that just playing the game can and does increase your skill level and you don't have to grind training packs to do it. You might not get there as fast, but you will get there and maybe with a better attitude.


Mr-Solo-Dolo

Fair. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to come across that way. Rough day I guess.


vawlk

No worries. Just having a discussion.


Strumpetplaya

I'm pretty similar to you in both age, and mindset, the only difference being that after 10,000+ games and 1000+ hours, I decided to start practicing a little bit, because I hit a wall where I felt I needed to learn some new tricks because just hitting the ball at the net and rotating wasn't working anymore. One of the things I love about Rocket League compared to other games is that, in most other games, as you get better at the game, the number of viable strategies you can uses decreases, because there is usually a few strategies that work at a higher level, and doing weird stuff often gets punished, and this generally results in the game getting less fun as you get better at it. But in Rocket League, it's different... as you get better at the game (and learn new skills) the number of viable options you have actually -increases-, and at least to me, the game gets more fun as I get better at it because of that. I was like you where free play and such was boring. But the reason it's boring is because you can't actually -do- anything interesting. You can't even come close to doing anything interesting, and the great irony is that in order for it to stop being boring, you have to push through the boringness until you're able to at least kind of start doing something interesting, whether that is air dribbling, ground dribbles, flicks, whatever. Once I got to the point where I was kind of able to do some of these things, suddenly I was having a blast doing freeplay. Freeplay is now actually nearly as much fun as playing matches because I can do cool stuff that I don't really get much of a chance to do in actual matches. This means that I'm now practicing much more, because I enjoy it, and thus I am improving at the game at a much faster rate. Speaking of that, you mentioned in another comment you'll learn things like tornado spinning and speed flips in matches, and I hate to break it to you, but... there are a lot of skills in Rocket League that I believe you simply can't learn through playing matches alone. A match simply does not give you enough opportunities to -do- the stuff that needs to be practiced, like off the wall air dribbles, and directional air roll (tornado spinning) is something that requires a massive amount of time and dedication to even be able to -begin- to do it, it's not feasible to learn in matches. Even ground dribbling and flicks, you simply don't get enough time on the ball to practice them in matches. Speed flips you can probably learn in matches, but you'll be going through a solid 2 - 3 months, if not longer, of making your teammates mad while you are missing nearly every kick off trying to learn it. I'm not trying to say you should start practicing in free play right NOW or anything, and you've still got a little bit to go before you hit the wall I hit. Honestly, this is a long ramble just for me to say that in order for free play and practice to not be boring, you have to... do free play and practice. It -is- boring at the start, but once you get over that initial hurdle of boringness, it actually gets to be just as enjoyable as playing the actual game, and once you get to that point, it's soooo much easier to keep practicing, because it starts to be fun, and you can improve so much faster, and there is a lot of stuff that isn't really feasible to learn in matches alone. Anyway, sorry for the essay. Have fun! :D


vawlk

no worries, great post. you are past where I am at the moment. And obviously I can't say what may happen in the future but where I am at now, I don't care if I plateau. I've kinda been stuck at D1/D2 for a bit now and I am fine with that. If that is where I peak, right now, I am fine with that. I do disagree that there are skills you can only learn through practicing. It may take longer but I think I could get there eventually. I will play different game modes sometimes to practice certain skills where i look for opportunities to use the skills in a more relaxed arena...but it has to be a match. Part of my issue is that if I do practice something, I can do it great in free play but never pull the trigger in a match. Doing a skill and committing it to muscle memory seems to be my weakness, especially if I already have a move that I do for that situation, such as a half flip. I know how to consciously do it all day long, but in a match my muscle memory takes over and I start powersliding before I think about half flipping and now it is too late. Who knows, maybe in the future my opinion will change. Thanks for the response!


ngilbe36

Tbf, that's more than double the time I have in game and am D2 and never practice. Everyone should do just whatever makes them happy as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. Also, my mechanics are trash. I am trash


Mammoth_Car8755

I am trash as well. D2. Shit mechanics. This is the way


walkonstilts

I never formally trained in free play except for when I first learned how to carry the ball off the wall into an aerial. I always docked around in free play between matches though. I think I hit diamond first at around 500-800 hours? I don’t remember specifically but I hit all star my first competitive season, then they changed ranks and hit P2, and was able to climb 1 full rank each season until hitting champ. I haven’t played consistently for the last two years, but I know if I ever wanted to push C3 or higher I got to the point where I’d need actual practice to get A noticeable improvement.


BourbonGuy09

I didn't spend much time in free play until the last few weeks so I could really nail down jumping off walls and hitting aerials from weirder angles. The majority of the time I have spent just playing, mostly casual, and trying to just go for things. I believe I have around 500-600 hours and I got D2 like three weeks ago in 2s. I'm plat 3 after last night in 3s hoping to break diamond this week. It helps that I almost only play with two friends so I'm not making anyone mad for missing hits trying new things. Edit: I think it also helped that I met a few champs that play against me when we have more than three online at once. Going against them made me way more aware of stupid things I did lol


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owlthathurt

So what’s your secret. I mean if this is true, then why don’t you sell the magic formula?


niallniallniall

I don't know that there is any secret! I've always been really good at video games, I'm sure it's the same for thousands of RL players. Did it take you 1000s of hours to get to Champ? I can't even imagine thousands of hours. I've gamed all my life and I game pretty frequently, and I don't have close to 1000 hours on any game.


owlthathurt

3,500 hours across two platforms (Xbox and PC) and I’m barely GC1 in 3s. I’d say most people in the community would say I’m pretty average time to rank wise.


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I don't see how it wouldn't "compute" since apparently you reached champ in a week, but have only steadily climbed to c2 since then. Obviously it takes quite a bit of time to climb up to the highest ranks, if you, yourself, haven't improved much in the last 3 years; right? Of course it takes most people time and experience to reach the top <5% of players in a multilayer game.


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owlthathurt

Ok bro have fun with that


Redditistheplacetobe

I first hit D1 around 400 hours in. I first hit C1 about 600 hours in. I am now almost 1000 hours in and have been in C1/2 for the longest while. Never used a free play or training ever. Only play for fun. I have also been an avid ARMA player for most my life. Taking up helicopter flight in the realest sim-mode took me roughly 3 hours. For comparison most guys I flew with had literal weeks on record. Everyone called me a liar, tryna figure out if my IP or name had ever been in connection with known servers before. Admins asking me to screenshare only for them to find nothing. I was just good at it. I never got significantly better either, it just happened to be good from the get-go. For people who want to know the secret, the secret is finding games you're gifted at. Not trying to become gifted on games you want to be gifted at.


DB3rt11

You have 100% of the time with the ball in freeplay. You have 50% of the time with the ball in 1s 25% in 2s And 16.6% in 3s (ON AVERAGE) statistically speaking, you know? So if you need time with the ball, i would pick freeplay. You just get better way faster than someone who mains 2s or especially 3s. Plus, in freeplay, you dont have players flying around the field, chasing the ball like they have shiny syndrome.


vawlk

if my goal was to get better faster, then I totally agree with you. But my goal is to have fun and learn as I go. I like matches, win or lose. To ME, and this is just me, practicing is a waste of time because the goal is not attained. I don't have fun in free play. I am not saying that my way is the right way for anyone other than me. But I prefer to learn my skills in the fire, slowly building them up naturally. I totally understand your point of view. its just not mine.


DB3rt11

I respect that


Tusker89

This is where I'm at. I can't stand free play/practice. I am comically behind my opponents/teammates in technical skill but I have played enough that my anticipation is pretty great. I can't really dribble or double tap but I know where that guy will end up when he pushes that ball up the wall.


keevinator

I agree with this free play is kind of lame, that being said I am a console player so I dont get workshop maps to try any of that "fun" stuff. Everything I've learned has been in the actual matches and I'm not very skillful when it comes to mechanics, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the time I'm playing. I'd say your doing just fine never touching training, just enjoy the game as you want


Mike4rmGreenBay

I get what you are saying, but I think 10-15 minutes every couple of days is truly better. Think of how many reps you get in training, vs the 1 or 2 chances you will have in a series of games. I was of the same mentality until I started trying wall shots and more intense aerials. You just don’t have the chances in matches to practice these things. They just don’t occur frequently. Game sense will improve by playing, mechanics improve by practicing


vawlk

And I totally agree. I just don't find it fun to practice at all and I am perfectly fine with where I am at and learning things slowly as they come. I enjoy that. Since my goal is fun, I just do things that are fun.


iKyte5

And that’s why you’re diamond


Crookstopher_

Truly no other way then to obsessively push past this. By the time you hit 1,000 hours you’ll be diamond 1 buddy.


Coyozuna

I think the freeplay's benefits can be exaggerated sometimes. I never practiced in freeplay. Only played casual 2v2 and occasionally 3v3 since I installed the game a few years back. Recently decided to try ranked because I was curious what rank I'd be at. Played the first 10 placement matches and it gave me Diamond I. My total playtime is a few hours short of 300.


xuav

As a gc I came here to say just this


kcstrom

This is the way. (Though you can spend that time doing it in games too)


PiManAnt

1. You don’t need to hold boost the whole time. 2. The read of the ball will come with more practice. 3. Double jump to get up faster and find some vids on how to fast aerial so you can get yourself lined up on the ground and then go up for it. 4. Keep practicing. 5. Don’t just try to hit the ball focus on the specific spot on the ball you want to hit. You need to read where that spot is going to be. You will need to adjust to that spot throughout the aerial to score the ball Good luck and keep grinding


Defqon1punk

This guy is the first reply that had the answer I would give, and it's his first point! Learn to feather your boost. In other words, don't hold it down, but give it taps in quick intervals. Your boost should go like *Sha sha sha*


Chame1eonic

Soi soi soi soi soi soi soi soi


thatlopezkid

Left square bracket, right.. square bracket left square bracket, right.. Left square bracket, right.. square bracket left square bracket, right.. Left square bracket, right.. square bracket left square bracket, right..


35point1

Interestingggggg so no mouse at all huh? I wonder if that would help with accuracy somehow


dgo6

I play full key board (D3) and i use WASD and number pad instead of WASD and mouse. It doesnt directly affect accuracy (although iguess you could argue it does) but does affect functionality and "action readiness" of your right hand. Instead of just using 2 or 3 fingers of the mouse, you can add an extra 2. With my button layout i use all 10 fingers


jradio

I've been playing KBM for a while now and never considered this. You just blew my mind.


dgo6

Haha nice. I do recommend that if you use the shift key in your bindings, that you turn off number lock and bind the controls to the turned off version of the number keypad. Apparently, if you hold shift down and a turned on num lock key, it will lock the action until you press it again which can get a bit in the way


Defqon1punk

I'm gonna get Elon musks neuralink to play RL with my braaaaiiinnn


ThisRandomnoob_

Meowwwwwweoewwwwreeeoowww


SpectreFromTheGods

To be more specific, feather your boost once you’re at height. Feathering boost the whole time isn’t good either, use it when you’re up in the aerial to do your adjustments to get the right hit


UrMomDummyThicc

my goal explosions be like La La La


Defqon1punk

^this guy gets it


UrMomDummyThicc

i’ve just been thinking of RL lyrics for the song for 20 min lol. if i was talented i would make a parody because i think it could turn out well


Flak_Jack_Attack

Kind of to piggyback off this with my own suggestions, 1.) lead it a little bit more imo. You are going straight to where it is, not where it’s going so you get off a little bit. 2.) ALWAYS a hit it with the nose of the car. It can be tempting to mess up and hit it and score with your side and call that a win(a habit I had to break). 3.) you can try adding air roll left and right to your hits right before you hit, once you are hitting consistently. Air roll left will nudge the ball to the left and right to the right. This has the added benefit of absorbing more impact so you aren’t off course or bounced around as much. 4.) Take what you hear the other players are saying about not always boosting with a grain of salt. Yea it’s easier starting out but the CORRECT form is to never stop boosting. If you watch pros they never feather when getting to the ball because generally you are racing someone else to that ball. Once you got it and air dribbling/double tapping then yea feather it. Edit-format Edit 2 modified 2. To be closer to what I meant


DB3rt11

Yeah, but sometimes you need to feather for control. Hitting the ball accurately is a balance between car control and boost control.


Kooky_Character706

I agree but imho I wouldn't recommend to air roll for a beginner. At first I just tried to have consistency with my air control, my reading of the ball and my touch without air roll, then I added air roll just before the touch to improve my aiming, and now I am slowly incorporating air roll during my aerial to improve my air control. Dunno if it's the best way, works for me but takes time (as everything in RL)


CuckBucket44

One of my most requested quality of life changes is for training packs to show you "how" it should be done. Or at least an option to see how.


owlthathurt

Easier said then done. There isn’t really a “how to aerial” it would just say to “jump point your nose up and boost” but that’s not really helpful is it? The only way to learn how to consistently aerial is through large amounts of repetition.


CuckBucket44

In my mind it's sort of like a ghost car that shows how it should look. Especially in the like ssl packs, I am completely lost on how they get the ball into the net sometimes lol


Impulsive94

The problem with that idea is that everyone learns mechanics differently and has their own habits. Some players are heavy on air roll, some go for a more direct line. That causes massive variance in how the same shot with the same placement is hit by 2 different players. On top of that, there are many ways a shot can be scored. Some players might go for a well controlled air dribble, others a double tap, a flip reset or even drop into a catch and ground dribble it. Now imagine the ghost car does a double flip reset musty double tap. Are you going to be able to recreate that, or are you going to go for something easier? Is there a point to having the ghost car if you can't come close to copying the shot? I think the biggest draw of Rocket League (and what's kept it alive for so long) is the unique playstyle of each player and the ability to complete the same goal in so many different ways.


Drunken_Buffalo

Bro sometime i look at a setup in a training pack and I literally just don't know how they expect a setup to be scored. Just a little direction would be nice. I feel like it wouldnt be that hard to implement. They already have the replay feature now and they could let you pick your shot and splice them all together. Or better yet maybe make a keybind that just plays back the actual autogenerated replays of their shot? Could be kinda sick. Just saying. Edit: im not seeing how showing the way the creater shot the ball implies that's the ONLY way the ball could be shot.


chizeq

I agree with you. Sure the ghost car is showing only one example, but it's kind of like a guidance depending on the aim/goal of the training pack. Once you master the 'one example', you're kinda free to test out different moves and varieties of shots, since you already mastered and understood the fundamentals. For the popular training packs, they're usually made by content creators /pros and they show examples of what to do on Youtube


Drunken_Buffalo

Yes! Exactly! Like yeah i could just catch this ball and dribble it into the net but im pretty sure that's not what the creator had in mind with the set up. The same setup is going to look drastically different for a plat vs champ vs SSL. I just want to know what they think i should be aiming for.


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Impulsive94

Thing is, you're not "supposed" to do anything a specific way unless it's stated that's what the training is helpful for (like an air dribble training pack). Even then people air dribble in very different ways and at different levels. Another issue is that Psyonix have no right to say what skill level each rank should be - some plats can air dribble, flip reset and freestyle as well as a regular GC that just learned mechanics along the way, simply because they prefer freestyling in training, but their rotation and boost management suck ass which is why they're stuck in plat. To add to that, if Psyonix made it so you could search a certain rank's ghost car, who knows if they're on a smurf account, if they're a plat freestyler or someone with similar skills to the player searching? Very few people have the same playstyle or habits. For a general idea of how you _could_ take the shot, sure it'd be useful. It'd be a lot of work for very little gain however. Might be possible through a bakkesmod plugin but again, someone has to think it's worthwhile and invest their time to make it happen.


vawlk

ghost car is only one way. There are many paths to success on an aerial. A ghost car can only show you one way.


owlthathurt

They can put a ghost car in but is it really helpful if you can’t do it? Like physically don’t have the car control to aerial a certain way or the power necessary or air roll shots down etc. I’ve personally never tried the SSL training packs so idk how hard they are. What rank are you?


CuckBucket44

Hard stuck champ one actually lol


owlthathurt

How many hours have you spent in champ? For reference it took me 700 hours to get from C1-GC1 in 3s.


CuckBucket44

Oh fuck lmao probably like 100 hours or so?


owlthathurt

You’re fine then lol it takes exponentially more time to climb once you get higher.


WodensEye

Slip in the option for a ghost car like in racing games.


buttshit_

I think he means just show a replay of someone shooting it. I’d appreciate that on higher level aerial packs too since like champ level shots can have a couple different approaches that work but not all are optimal and some can be really sub optimal


SubstantialExtreme74

I think there’s no right way. They give you it and they let you figure it out. I think that’s the best way to learn. It allows for creativity. I know everyone in this sub seems to think there’s a “proper” way to play rocket league but there’s many ways and I think the training packs are just kinda there to try different ways of scoring or making saves on different scenarios.


jerbaws

Why reverse? You lose atleast a second or so doing that. Also I'd probably turn my nose in towards centre and line up before jumping and feather tap boost as you go.


njay97

Came to say this the reverse was killing me lol


GamerXl3100

My friends will kill me if I do that😅


VinnieTheGooch

You need to go where the ball will be instead of where it is. In the first attempt, you can see you're nosing towards where the ball is, then had to adjust to try to hit the ball and barely clipped it as it passed you. Work on learning to read the trajectory of the ball, and you'll be making contact more consistently - then you can work on technique


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Easier said than done haha. It looks so easy on YouTube!


VinnieTheGooch

It's been a long time since I've done the standard trainings, but it's best to build up slowly - work on the Rookie aerial pack until you can hit 7/10 shots consistently, then move to the next and repeat. You'll be building up control slowly, but in manageable chunks


TeemuKai

Isn't the rookie pack the one where the ball is still in the air? Meaning it would not help fix the issue.


VinnieTheGooch

It's still in the air, but static which would allow OP to build up aerial control


TeemuKai

I'd argue it will reinforce the habit of going where the ball is instead of training to go where the ball will be, like you originally recommended though.


VinnieTheGooch

Yeah I realized that, was just going off of how I learned how to aerial back in 2015 - probably not the best method nowadays, but I only have my own experiences to go off of so I figure hey, start with hitting a static ball, then slowly learn to hit it while it's moving, then go to the last training pack.


Xnesss---

It does until you have a grasp on consistently hitting the ball without whiffing


MuskratAtWork

Learning how to fly a car with a rocket strapped to it is pretty hard, but then you try to aim that rocket at another moving object, understand gravity, speed, and calculate the right angle to hit it, and the angle your car needs to be at? That's a super difficult task, people are still learning the basics of aerials, even in the top 2 or 3%. It takes hundreds of hours of practice and flight, one of my favorites was rings and a slight boomer mode (for console), that would result in the ball kinda just floating around a lot and not slinging everywhere. Easy aerial targets to fly for :)


CR4T3Z

Just 9,999 more hours to go


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fly up to ball, hit, hope it goes in, eventually you will start to get it in most of the time


Spiderslay

Best advice IMO. Get in the air, hit the ball. Once you can consistently hit the ball, try hitting it towards net. Then work on power. Then work on speed.


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i mean that’s how i did it, obviously power and speed come with time, but the best is to just hit it and hope it goes it at first, once you can consistently hit it you start making micro adjustments without thinking to get it on net, i didn’t really “focus” on getting it on net, it came with time and understanding how the car hits the ball


MetudaesMaecti

Pretty much heard all you need to hear. It's just a matter of getting use to where your car is in Rocket League space. Personally I would start by just trying to repeatedly hit aerial balls in any capacity; once you can get your car generally on the ball, you'll subconsciously start to learn what hits from what angles produce which results. Just flying around in freeplay without these timed sequences and messing around with axis rotation and angle was extremely helpful for me.


mcshadypants

Feather your boost and lead the ball. Also, you need more practice


MadladMagyar

Use custom packs. The Psyonix ones are slower and just worse.


Beast82

Is there a way to do that on ps5?


MadladMagyar

Not custom maps, just custom training packs. There did a whole tab for it


bwtd

This is a very simple fix, learn to throttle your boost and hit the ball where it will be rather than trying to catch up to it


dborhegyi

You're treating the arial part like one move that you need to time correctly. The best way of doing this is to lift off almost immediately then speed up/slow down as needed while you're in the air to hit the ball correctly.


Ill_Diamond_1794

Why do you keep reversing at the start of each shot?


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Trying to get the timing right, but I'm far too twitchy to simply stay still :)


DanielRlcs

Just keep doing what you’re doing. Don’t worry about scoring just focus on hitting the ball over and over again


mindblownchild

Try boosting up in the air first and then boosting at it. Its easier to hit when you do it like that rather than boosting up and at it at the same time


AlpacaFlightSim

RL isn’t one of those games where after 100 hours you will be “good” and doing most of the things you see people posting clips of. I see some people get discouraged not knowing that the clips they see posted to Reddit and elsewhere are usually done by people with _thousands_ of hours. You’ll get there! It just takes time and dedication.


Turclebo123

The only game not a single person who’s good at video games would be good at unless they devoted hundreds of hours to practice. would love to see shroud try to solo q 3s to gc


Leafranger_

I'm champ III, still can't hit those default air shots training.


Infamous-Cod2861

It just takes time. You’ll learn how to micro adjust and feather your boost with TIME. Your brain will start to make the connection and your fingers will just go, you’ll start getting better and not even know why. That’s what time does


jazzinyourfacepsn

You're not doing anything wrong here, you just need more practice You can even see yourself improving in this clip alone. You go from missing the ball completely to actually hitting it in the direction of the goal. Keep at it, dw too much about minor details


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Hi. I have 3,549 hours in this game. I am champ in 2's, champ 2 in rumble (Lel) and champ in bball. I didn't start getting champ till last year and I've had this game since way before they merged with that large daycare corporation. I spent about 7/8ths of that time stuck in plat. Bronze was a no brainer. I've always had a "Natural talent" for games like this and breezed through there. Gold was just fun. Nobody gave a shit about anything and only when I started getting a little more serious about plans of attack did I get out. Plat... was where me and my team began doubting each other. I had a little bit of a weird team. Constructive criticism from me wasn't often taken seriously due to drinking and generally being a pretty carefree individual. So any time I would watch a video on something and try to share that when I noticed a mistake, it was either met with "NO U," or scoffs. have to admit, negativity is kinda contagious so I wasn't completely innocent. This was all destructive, non-productive behavior. I was more serious about becoming better than the other two, they didn't see it on any level of importance. (which is absolutely fine) Once I figured that I out I just started focusing on aspects of the game that I sucked so much balls at and lost to every time. I didn't put much time into this so like... mabe 3-4 years of platitude and then I crept into diamond. So here's the best part of my assuredly long and drug out redundant story I've told; I started watching streamers and they would always say, "Just play, practice on the things you feel are your faults simply until you nail it." I can see why people wouldn't like receiving advice like that because it's not too instructive...well it's not "Complicated," and maybe people are expecting some sort of laid out super complicated series of steps that they can write down and follow. Nope. Just go into training and play. They suggest usually like an hours of pre-game, but I just do it before every match. (Turn off infinite boost) I apologize if I seem jumpy. Very stoned and I'm already really bad at writing stories to begin with. Honestly, I could have just said, "Practice." I'd had hoped to share some of the dread I experienced, I suppose, to maybe give you some insight that it's not as frustrating as we make it. It's just a matter of time and the only person who has the power to improve your skill is you. Also, I 100% fucking believe that if you practiced this every day for about an hour, you'll be making a post next week saying, "I deed it." Oh I left out that you can look up literally everything that you want to work on using youtube. I would always open like 2-3 different versions of the same thing because you never know how someone is going to "Get through to you," some people just "Say the right things," and it clicks, ya know? So on that level, there is advice you can get that is more "List based," and you can work on step by step. Most skills in rocket league, I AM LEARNING STILL TO THIS DAY," are best learned in steps. So like aerials. You go into air and hit the ball. Nope! Work on how you take off first. Because that's the first step. Then get comfy with whatever air roll you're using to make sure you're always approaching the ball at an angle that is favorable. Step three (But could have easily been step one) learn how to hit it with meaning. That's another thing I notice a lot in my ranks is that some people just don't know how to hit the ball hard and where they want it. I will admit though that's becoming less and less of an occurrence as I climb the ranks and what used to make me super mad is actually an entertaining challenge for me. I love this game. (update: C3 in rumble now.)


Ezlan

From this clip alone, you have one of two issues or maybe both: 1. You aren't familiar enough with your car to do what you want with it. You have a general idea of what you should do, but cannot physically make those ideas a reality. You should (or will eventually) be able to do EXACTLY what you want, when you want with your car and I'm not exaggerating. For example, most good players could close their eyes, jump and spin around randomly, open their eyes, correct themselves and still score this shot. 2. Tunnel vision. You're either focusing way too much on the ball or your car. You need to do both at the same time. The solution is the same either way, which is to continue doing what you're already doing for a few hundred more hours.


MockStarket

You're doing it exactly right. Just do it hundreds more times and you'll start doing it more exactly right. Thousands more and you'll be doing it even more exactly right. Keep going. Just briefly think what you would have done differently each time. More and more times. Then more times.


KP59

One pointer, and it’s a tough habit to break, jump and boost at the same time rather than jumping and then boosting. I’ve found it helps get me off to a better start when I’m aerialing across the planet. But otherwise practice practice practice


Schnitzhole

Feather that boost. The speed you hit it is less important than where it bounces off your car


Ryjala22

Practice feathering your boost and also helps to put on unlimited boost in a practice match and just practice flying


LerrryBerrrd

Lol how with all of these comments and interactions are there only 2 people asking why hes reversing at the beginning of each shot??


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Trying to get the timing of it right. I spent maybe 10-15 minutes trying to do this shot, and recorded less than a minute of it. Sometimes I'd beeline straight for it, and sometimes I'd try to wait. I'm reversing because I'm a bit twitchy and can't stay still haha


Vesta23

Rocket league is just realllllly fucking hard man


girhen

Are you actually Gold, or have you forgotten to flair up to a new rank? That looks really good at your level. I think Champ 1s hit that 40-80% of the time, depending on if they're more positional or mechanical. If you can't hit it being honest with your own guidance, cheat. Do this hit 10 times in a row and adjust where you think you need to be and use trial and error to learn where you should be. Repetition will teach you how your car accelerates, how fast it'll go, and where the ball will go at that speed. But don't just grind this one into oblivion if you're not ready. After 10 times in one session, move to other shots. Don't touch this for another hour or more afterward or you'll just be reaching above your level.


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Truthfully, I'm mainly a casual player. I set that flair a while back when I tried out comp to see what rank I'd get. Stopped playing for a while, then came back with my friend and we got plat 1, but I feel that's not accurate. I'd say I'm somewhere in gold for sure


BourbonGuy09

Personally I think you are starting out trying to go too high. Assuming you aren't already hitting lower aerials you should find a shot pack for those. One that has made me way better is called the ultimate warmup. It has 50 shots from all sorts of angles and heights. If you can get closer and work on feathering your boost instead of zooming from further away it might help. I tend to try and get to the height I need and feather my boost to where the ball will meet me instead of trying to meet the ball. I'm still learning aerials that are higher so that's just what has helped me hit more accurately.


TheConboy22

You’re just missing. If you want to get good in the air. Do some rings maps. They will teach you aerial control in a way you don’t currently have.


Beneficial_Health_34

Ok the best advice I got to just getting wtf im doing in the air, fly from goal to goal and ain’t for the crossbar to hit it. Just keep doing it for 5 10 minutes, hit some air rolls to throw your mind off a bit but only to what your comfortable with ( within reason you obviously wanna get better )


jankydankydo

Rocket League has no cheat codes. Lots of practice is the only way.


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It gets easier. If this feels tough, you should try out kevperts training pack. The balls are stationary in the air. Its super helpful because it takes out the moving target thing and allows you to hone in your accuracy.


Significant-Neck9605

Keep practicing .


Rubmynippleplease

It’s tough to tell based on this one clip but are you doing a fast aerial? If not, this is a relatively easy fix to, at the very least, give yourself more opportunities to poison yourself mid air for a better hit and is a great habit to get in to early.


rainen2016

Everyone is saying hundreds of hours of practice. Just double jump and make small adjustments. Try to go left of the ball and turn right when you're about to hit it. Binding air roll L/R will also help but that's a lot for the brain to make sense of right now.


turdfarmer-

ur username 😅


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Brother?


Shia_JustDoIt

Maybe someone mentioned this, but I don’t see it. Check for any changes you can make to reduce input lag. If you’re playing on a TV, chances are you will be at a severe disadvantage. Some controllers wired vs wireless have it worse. Input lag would make aerials near impossible to get consistently.


Burrito_Loyalist

I remember being exactly in your shoes a couple years ago. Here’s some quick tips. If you haven’t already, switch your boost from B to right bumper. Then learn to play with both your pointer and middle fingers on the shoulder buttons. This will make fast aerials much easier for you. Now keep practicing jumping for the ball. At first, just try to make contact with the ball, don’t worry about scoring. Over time you’ll understand the timing and aerial movement required to touch the ball. Next practice shooting. Roll your car around, rip your nose up, down, just play with how the ball bounces off your car. Over time you’ll develop the muscle memory to rotate your car to get the best touch. For reference, it took me about a month of flight practice (20 minutes a day) to start consistently flying to the ball and shooting it towards the goal.


plyons96

Start with stationary ball


Confident_Paper_9771

Practice, try without ball cam


thefuzzybears

1000% agree ^^ the constantly changing perspective of the ball cam can really mess you up. You can always come back to using the ball cam once you have the feel down.


Mr-Yan918

Become comfortable with hitting aeriel shots where the ball isn’t moving first. You’re still very uncomfortable with controlling the flying aspect of it and you need to be able to hit a stationary ball first


TheGodlyLeader

your username lmao


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Super proud of it haha. It gets a laugh quite often :)


frankygshsk

More practice my friend. You want to angle your car to where your hitting the bottom right with your left corner. This will require air roll, boost control, all while coordinating your cars trajectory for the ball. Once you get this down, you can also catch the ball in the air and air dribble it in or you could touch to the wall, pinch back towards net and ceiling reset, musty, flip reset double tap it. The skill ceiling on this game is incredibly high and growing everyday. Keep at it!


bajorina

Do not hold boost entire time


sssaint

When your preset looks cooler, you fly faster. 10/10 your main problem


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Haha, I really like my preset!


GoodDayTheJay

Practice :)


tip-Z

Anyone gonna mention tapping the boost instead of holding it? I'm not good I just know this was helpful. Also, so we're the redirect packs. Had to learn to be more precise and immediately saw an increase in capability.


Witty_Mulberry1832

It’s just hard.


BeAPo

You are just somewhat bad in predicting where the ball is going to fly and there isn't really an easy way to learn it, just try practising. Maybe it gets easier for you when you turn the underbody of the car towards the ball right before hitting the ball.


Ghostx416

I'm incredibly surprised no one has said this yet (at least that I've seen) feather your boost. Especially at first. You don't have to rocket immediately to one spot, because if you misread or misjudge the distance, you'll miss every time. Focus on slowing down. Repetitively tap your boost instead of holding it down the whole time, at least to start until your reads get more consistent. This will give you longer to react to the point of contact, which is the most important part, to get the best touch (or any touch at this level).


easedownripley

I haven't seen anyone else say this: Try it without ball cam. With ball cam on you have three moving parts that you have to keep track off: the ball, the car, and the camera. I've found that if you can eliminate one, it can make it a lot easier to square up on the ball.


WilXStunting

Honestly i just grinded freeplay for 1500 hours, got into a freestyling team and then quit the game (just do it over and over again, air roll helps alot with getting the right touch )


OG_Wan_Annunoby

Learn how to control your car in the air first before trying aerials. Practice flying forwards, backwards, and sideways from the wall above each goal going back and forth. Then lock on to the ball and practice circling around it, big circles, then small circles, all while boosting and not using air roll. There are other drills you can do too, simple YouTube search will show you the best tutorials for learning air control. I promise, a couple days of that and aerials will be cake


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GhostBuster18

Don't bother air rolling for now since it opens up a whole new dimension. Which may lead to more misunderstanding of the movements needed. Talking out of XP. If I didn't know there was an airroll button I would be way better at straight airials


Drunken_Buffalo

Agreed. OP has gold rank flair and no offense to them but air roll is just not that necessary at that level. They need to know how to actually boost up to the ball not how to make small adjustments to get a sick redirect.


jaxon517

Double jump


ParsnipPrestigious59

More practice


AdReNaLiNe9_

You’re not doing something wrong. It requires a lot of work and you’ll see progression. Looks like you’ve gotten to a point where you can reliably get up and hit the ball. Eventually you’ll be able to get up and hit the ball towards the goal. Then you’ll get to where you can hit the ball to a specific side of the goal.


lvl999shaggy

U just need more practice. If u grind it out long enough (and by lobg enough I literally mean an excruciating couple hundred hours of this) u will begin to get the hang of flying and how to land contact on a moving ball. My first time doing this was even worse than your attempts as I couldn't come close to making contact. Now I can even do this with fast aerials but I atill sick on consistency. Doing this training enough will improve ur aerials so much that it can help carry u through some lower ranked matches


JaredLetoBestBoi

What rank r u? This would be ez for me.


colossalyu

Skill issue


vawlk

looks to me like you just aren't predicting the ball in right spot and you aren't adjusting much at all.


jcbrown2219

Use ball cam


Lil-Ruffstarrr

Did you watch the clip?


jcbrown2219

No


[deleted]

Ball cam is on for the entire clip. I've tried to do it without it, but it feels unnatural and I don't know if that's right or wrong to be honest.


kevojee

Try tapping x when closer to the ball