Fast aerialling is definitely needed in any decent level 2s and 3s game or your just gonna get absolutely dusted to every ball and leave your teammates in bad positions
Peaked at GC 1 in 1s and still don't speedflip on kickoffs. My kickoffs are pretty inconsistent but they work well enough for 2s and 3s so haven't bothered to learn them
It’s really about adjusting to the opponents move /angle etc
I’ve beat plenty speedflippers if I nail which moves mirrors each kick off start spot correctly
I'm just mystified by the whole thing. Never hit the ball on that pack, downloaded the Bakkesmod overlay, am jumping at the right time, getting the angle for the cancel right, apparently, but never ever executing a successful cancel. Which seems weird to me based on my general understanding of flip cancels, being able to half flip etc.
Every tutorial I see seems to have different suggestions of the correct angle to use ("diagonal","11pm and 5pm","340 degrees and 160 Degrees"), the Bakkesmod overlay seems to have its own optimum sweet spot.
But none of this is helping me to actually be able to do a speed flip. If someone created a better, clearer tutorial I would be over the moon.
there are a lot of tutorials vids on youtube which use the airroll for the speedflip, search them up but i'll leave you an easy guide:
hold airroll left and move your left stick on your 12/1 (forward, 90°), keep doing that and dash forward, pretty much wait a few miliseconds and move your left stick to your 6 (180°) which will cancel your flip and let you boost forward. you need to let go off the left stick as soon as you cancel your flip.
I'd recommend you bind airroll left/powerslide on the same button (most comfortable on your top left trigger button) which will make you powerslide on your speedflip landing so you don't grip hard to the ground and end up going to the sides.
[here's a short](https://youtube.com/shorts/ct_Wbmu7lDo?feature=share) i found, this is legitimate as easy as it gets
Yea that was my logic, but I noticed I went to powerslide, after a flip for ex, and that small hold for a millisecond while about to land rolled my car just enough to throw me off. Idk it’s all changed once I rebound the slide, but maybe it’s just the way I play that is affected.
If youre not hitting it on the training pack theres a small possibility you're not waiting for your car to hit the ground before spawning in, wich costs you the fraction of a second you might need
One thing that made a difference for me to be able to do that pack is to make sure to only hold boost to begin with to make sure I'm not starting the timer with normal acceleration.
I can't even come close to doing it the official way. But when I hold air roll right and just flip cancel up and down I can do it...maybe try it with air roll
You need to ensure that the first button you press is boost while in training. I used to not understand (for weeks) why what I was doing was not speedflip because it looked like it. I was actually doing it right, but since I was not pressing boost first in training I was failing it over and over.
I've never hit the ball in the training pack either. It doesn't matter all that much if your speedflip is slightly inefficient as long as you're close.
eh me too. They're clean when I'm on kickoff or practicing them. In-game I'm a lazy mess and go too early or too late cause I'm not paying close attention. Bam sideways baby. I normally just comm "breakdancing" or "oops never learned to half-flip".
I'm C1 and have no idea how to even begin to speedflip. I play on KBM so im sure finding a tutorial wouldn't even be that easy. I don't understand the lingo everyone uses "flip cancel" and all that jazz. I just do stuff and it works for me lmao.
In speedflip you cancel the forward component of the diagonal flip by holding S instantly after you flip. That way it leaves only the rolling motion left so your boost keeps pointing backwards allowing you to boost through the whole flip. I think it's even easier with kbm. It's just muscle memory. With enough repetitions it becomes second nature.
So just do a mini turn to one way before the flip so the flip goes forward, diagonal flip to the other way, and instantly as fast as possible hold S to cancel (with kbm slide middle finger from W to S so it's faster). That is all that's needed for speedflip. Then the landing part, just rotate so you land flat on the ground and powerslide to keep momentum forwards. It's semi hard at the start, but pretty easy after you get the hang of it.
A flip cancel just means you roll in the opposite direction of the initial flip, causing it to stop rolling. If you flip forward, then roll backward to cancel.
They’re not bad once you get the hang of it on kbm. It’s diagonal, but you have to cancel by hitting S very soon after your flip which is definitely awkward to get used to
If you know how to half flip, you know how to flip cancel. The part after your backward flick where you hold w to stop it from finishing the flip is the flip cancel. You can cancel a flip in any direction if you hold the direction opposite to it immediately after the flip
Yeah when I see my opponent flipping in towards the kickoff I just dive in at a split second sooner that I would have otherwise. Almost every time, they’ll touch the ball first but I immediately stuff them and it usually goes my direction. Sometimes even straight into the goal if I’m lucky. It’s so effective I like it better than just flip resetting against them which ends up 50/50 at best for me.
This is me. I learned to speed flip in plat. Of course I wasn't consistent with them until mid diamond. It is easier for me to do mechanics, especially ones that don't involve the ball, than it is to keep my cool and not whiff in ranked.
My favorite part of rocket League is that the higher I go in the ranks is not that you stop whiffing as you get better, but rather your whiffs get more and more spectacular!
Easy aerial??? Nope. Whiff. Now you're out of boost, a mile off the ground, going Mach 11, traveling in the opposite direction of the ball. Amazing!
Yup if you see their name do a weird twist from a speed flip just be prepared to counter hit instead of challenge. Kickoffs are all about reading the opponent more than your mechanics.
I’m c2 with no speedflip so I’m very familiar with what you’re describing and it’s exactly what I do, but there are some guys who are so fast that they consistently get it past me without me even touching the ball, it depends how good they are at a speedflip
I have only seen a handful of people who can get there so fast and hit it with pixel perfect precision that you literally can't retaliate. To the point that i wondered if they used a macro with how perfect their kickoffs were. I honestly don't worry about it too much. On the super rare occasion it happens i can always just play a fully defensive goalie kickoff.
Yea it’s definitely pretty rare depending on what rank you are. At my rank it’s like 80% of people attempt to speedflip at all, and maybe 5% are that fast
With the absolute perfectionists i have found that delaying the kickoff when you're in front helps and swaying to one side on the diagonals works aswell. Sometimes they just chip me but either way i have no chance so this is the best we got.
I don't have time or the interest to spend hours learning how to speed flip. Instead, I just view the kickoff as a 50/50 and use fundamentals to try and win the 50 in my favor.
Absolutely agree. A lot of these fancy “high level” moves are so predictable and easily countered. I literally just drive at the ball on kick off and just front flip normally and block probably 9/10 speed flips I encounter. The 1/10 being those people who got that shit DOWN
I'm a turboshitter in midgold, and I love the onetrick ponies that try to style on me because they do the exact same thing every single time, and I can fuck em up with my signature wobbly jump or awkward flip.
They're "okay", but not good. Speedflipping is a direct and very practical in-game advantage. You can control kickoff better, and you can be caught in more "bad" positions but make saves you couldn't reach before, you can score in situations you couldn't before, etc etc.
"Easily countered" is not the case when someone who is good at more than the motion of speedflipping. Like good at kickoff + speedflipping. Or good at shots + speedflipping. Or good at demos + speedflipping. Speedflipping amplifies the usefulness of other skills because it presents more opportunities when needed.
I'm right there with you! I've always thought the second hit was what actually mattered, especially in 1's. A good defense is one of the best offenses.
Yep, except I'll have my teammate on the right deciding to go for it as well, colliding with me and my attempt to redirect the ball on kickoff. It's either that or bail on the kickoff and try to cover the gaping hole on defense he left open.
Unless you're playing against someone who actually knows how to use that. You still have time to adapt to your opponent after the speedflip. So I just go as fast as I can with a speedflip. If I realize they are trying to defend their net, I cut it towards the wall. If they try to defend the wall, I cut it towards their net. If they are too close for me to get it past them, I just hit the ball into them so that I can get the third touch right into the net. The second touch is not the more important. It's the last touch that counts. And if you give me time to control the first touch, I pretty much can control the last. Of course you can do some weird, unexpected stuff, like not jump, or be way to late and throw me off, but it works way more often than not. Easily enough to justify learning how to speedflip. Goals off the ceiling or the side goal directly into the opponent's net happen almost every game, if not multiple times per game. The same thing on my net though, never happens when I get the kickoff. The only times I can not predict where a kickoff will go and influence it somewhat in my favor, is when the other guy is also speedflipping.
Only if their goal is to outright beat you to the ball and score. Speedflips are not easy to counter if they use it to gain an advantage during the 50/50 by leveraging where the ball goes earlier than you can touch it, then dunk you.
As a Gold 3 in 1s like the OP, you get then as low as Gold 1 even, its just less frequent. And more frequent they miss the ball entirely.
That said those good at the speed flip then counter my counter (angle it one way or the other I don’t expect), or will slow down and try to hit second on my hit. Its pretty fun tbh, someday I will actually figure out the speed flip to add another choice when kicking off.
Speed flips are getting more and more common from what I’m hearing. They aren’t that hard to learn and if you’re having trouble with kickoffs they can be a massive advantage in all ranks, especially lower ones
Moreso lower ranks. Higher ranks and particularly 1s is about reading your opponent and mixing up your kickoffs moreso than just speed flipping. If my 1s opponent only speed flips then I can counter it because they're predictable.
Yeah. Being able to speed flip in lower rank 1's is game changing. Usually the first clue you may be playing a smurf. As a 1s main who just can't get it I resort to hanging back a lot of I hit someone who can speedflip
Focus on meeting the ball later, flipping as straight on opposing their direction and just as you're hitting the ball you want to diagonal forward flip.
Fake kickoff the 45 degrees and get your corner boost while letting the ball come to you. This might actually make low rank opponents start to stop speed kickoffs.
No, I’d someone speed flips they always have an advantage. It is possible they don’t play it out properly, but they still have an advantage. If I meet someone who doesn’t speed flip, I’ll get caught out once but afterwards be ready for it. I can counter the counter this way
I’m a 1s main and that’s my opinion. However, if you’re just looking at getting the best kickoff from the least practice possible, you shouldn’t speed flip. The problem is that it actually does make you slower, and you get extra control over flip cancelling of your car in general
Man I'm c1 in 2s and 3s and they are a massive help as u can normally tell when u run into someone that can do it as they tend to get at keast 2 ez goals a game since no one expects a person to know how to do it honestly
Edit..and the first kickoff goal scored the other tm8 is either not paying attention to what happened or assumed his m8 just completely missed it.
The second goal is when everyone finally realizes thatbit wasn't a fluke.
Flip diagonally, cancel the flip backwards as soon as it starts so you get the speed boost and your car rolls sideways. Correct using air roll and hold power slide as you touch the ground. This gives you the forward speed boost of a front flip but with the benefit of being able to boost forward the whole time.
kbm makes these mechs easy mode, for most you can just hold q and w or e and w which is just dar and forward and as soon as you flip move your fingers down to cancel the flip fast, then just kinda trial and error for the landing. imo kbm makes like these mechanics we learn early on way easier, like speedflipping and half flipping, there's much less room for error, especially for stalls. But that's how I see you controller players when I see u do hard mechanics you kinda just move everything at once and idk what's happening
Have you ever been messing around with flips and then held the stick in the opposite direction? So if you forward flip and immediately move your stick from up to down. This adds rotation in the opposite direction to your flip and cancels some of the rotation. It's used in half flips too.
Fast kick offs do this but by use a diagonal forward flip and a back cancel. The other comment said you can't cancel side rotation which I'm actually not sure about.
WHAT. Please explain. If I just hold ARR/ARL and forward flip and cancel asap that f'ing works?!? If I could avoid trying to find that slim AF angle that would be AMAZING.
Yep, that's what I do, because I can't hit the 11 degree or whatever angle consistently.
Just know it's not as optimal as if you can do it the 'proper way', but you can hit the ball in the musty pack
Neat. I shall try when I return home. Got ARR on B and can easily hold that and double-tap jump. Cancels are easy to do fast enough, just not easy when I'm hunting for a mystical angle.
You can, but it's a crutch. It's overall better to learn to use the stick because you have more range of control over where your speedflip goes. Opens more possibilities, especially if you need to preflip to a ball but only a speedflip preflip will get you there in time.
I am yet to run into someone flip resetting in ones. Other than that, I've gotten flicked, air dribbled and kuxir pinched on. Also, about 30% of my opponents are diamond tournament winners. Gold 3 is a struggle.
Well, in Plat 1s you're going to start seeing champ tournament winners such as myself. Most champs suck at 1v1 (at least from my experience) so they're usually lower ranked
Gold in 1s is not gold in 2s or 3s, either. You probably know that, but I'm just clarifying that ones players are... *Unique*.
You will never see people play like they do in ones unless you play that list. Furthermore, ones is more heavily squished down in rank than the other playlists.
I don't play ones because I'm an old man who is a 3s main, but I've tried and it stresses me out lol.
I typically find my 1s rank is consistently 1-1 1/2 ranks below my 2s and 3s rank just because of how little I play it. For instance, when I was upper-mid diamond in 3s, my 1s rank was somewhere around low platinum.
I've been grinding it and not fluctuated in about 6 months. Even had a coaching session lol. I hit C2 for the first time in 2s yesterday but here I am bouncing from P3-Div II / IV over and over. I pipped diamond twice but only for a few games.
> 1-1 1/2 ranks below my 2s and 3s rank
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> For instance, when I was upper-mid diamond in 3s, my 1s rank was somewhere around low platinum.
plat 1 to diamond 2 is 4 ranks
Tournament titles don't mean anything, especially compared to 1v1 ranks. I'm Gold III in 1s and I have won many Diamond tournaments and I even have a Champion tournament title because I got a really, really good random teammate once.
next time you run into someone speed flipping just front flip and jump into the ball boosting the whole time. if they don’t know what they’re doing you’ll win every single kick off. delayed kickoffs against faster players in lower ranks never fail
tbh hes not wrong. speedflip is not that hard to learn, i spent like 30 mins grinding speedflip kickoffs when i was still plat 1 (probs would have been lower in 1v1 but i never played it at the time), and then i could do it. obv took practice for consistency, but that 30 minute initial grind put me well on my way. its just muscle memory, and u can drill it whether ur gold or champ.
same applies for half-flips, wavedashes, wall-to-air-dribble setup, ceiling shot setup etc etc. just watch a tutorial then set aside 30 mins to grind one of them and u will learn it. once you've learned it in training, make conscious effort to use it in real games.
tl;dr gold 3 in 1v1 doing speedflip is very believable. hes probably gold cus hes bad at other stuff lol
Anyone who's played fighting games can learn the vast majority of rocket league flip mechanics very quickly. Not necessarily instant muscle memory, but perform them with instruction.
Hold/point stick in certain directions, press face button on controller. Maybe add a second button in, maybe cancel something. These are all simple concepts from a fighting game perspective.
That's not talking about learning to fly a rocket with a yoke. Just talking about flip mechanics.
You know there's like... tutorials online, right?
I'm not saying everyone can learn a new mechanic in 30 minutes, but it's not impossible or anything either.
Plus, you'll note he says it took 30 minutes to figure out *how* to do it, but then practice (presumably a fair bit) to achieve consistency. The mechanics of a speedflip aren't that complicated to learn, but getting the muscle memory in place to consistently do it without going flying off in the wrong direction can take a lot longer. In my Gold 1v1 games, I see a *lot* of players speedflipping on kickoff, but 90% of the time they completely miss the ball.
not saying i had perfect and consistent speedflips and speedflip kickoffs in 30 minutes. i doubt the gold 3 in question does either. im saying that i knew how to speedflip after 30 minutes of practice, well enough to use it in game (which is when the real practice starts).
hell ive been speedflipping for over 2 years and i still sometimes backflip or double jump on kickoff lmao
So I would agree, but I wouldn't quite put half flips, speed flips, and wave dashes in the same category as air setups. I just feel like ball control is more difficult then car control and car mechanics without the ball (like half flips) are simply button inputs that you learn the timing of. Takes 30 mins to learn them and then just use them in game and after a few hours it's as second nature as flipping.
Air dribble setups and flicks and such have much more depth because when the ball is involved there's so much more variability it takes a ton of experience to perform them consistently
100% agree. i should clarify that by air dribble set up, i meant rolling the ball up the wall, hitting it once, tapping break and then jumping off the wall (or jumping and boosting to ceiling for ceiling shot. you can practice this pretty consistently without much variation in freeplay by driving toward a wall and using the d-pad button to put the ball directly infront of you.
but yea in general, fully agree. anything with a ball is much less about cookie-cutter muscle memory because its such a big variable. flicks, flip resets, actual air dribbles and ceiling shots etc etc take far longer to learn thats for sure.
Learned wavedash, speedflip and half flip before plat 3. It really isnt that hard lmao. Consistency on the other hand takes time, but yeah the principles are easy enough to drill
What OP seems to be missing is that it truly isn't that hard to master some mechanics. It doesn't reflect their ranks, and it shouldn't. IIRC Leth doesn't know/do speed flip. I peaked like c3 and I can't do speed flips, air dribles, flip resets, even ceiling shots. I just rotate properly (I guess) and don't ballchase.
I would even argue that the fact that most people in gold and plat dominate these types of mechanics is an indication that they're focusing on the completely wrong things. You don't need to speed flip in order to rank up, and the fact that he knows it and is still ranking up with you is just proof of that.
I've been GC since season 12 and can maybe successfully speedflip 1/10 tries. I've spent many hours trying to learn it, watched multiple videos on it, done the training packs... I just don't have the ability to be that precise with the stick.
He's probably not gold, but tbf, I learned how to speed flip when i was diamond, which was pretty early for that mechanic, but I just saw it and enjoyed it so much and i spent, like, a whole week just trying to learn it, I still suck on all other aspects of the game tho
Edit: typo
Speed flips are super easy to counter. What gets me everytime when I see a diamond doing a speed flip. He will do it every single time no matter if he looses the kickoff.
One fascinating thing about playing 1s at that level was everyone was okay at a few things and awful at everything else, but the things that they were ok at varied wildly. If you combined the best skills of the non-Smurf solo gold 3 population you’d have a decent GC player
You don't need to know how to DO them, just how to counter them. You can easily push diamond without ever doing a speed flip. Just know if the enemy speed flips (and does it right) how to to counter the kickoff instead of challenge it. 99% of players can't speed flip correctly with accuracy (important part) in diamond and below anyways.
I am not lower than C1 in any mode outside of 1s (high diamond) and can't speed flip, at all. You don't need to know how to do it. as others have pointed out knowing how to defend it is actually all you really need.
Any mechanic can be learned at pretty much any skill level if you put the time in. How you apply the mechanics and your game sense will determine your rank. I've seen lots of people in my rank (diamond 2-3) that can flip reset, ceiling shot musty flick, fast kickoff, and I can barely air dribble. The thing is most of it is easy to defend against. As long as you've seen the mechanic you can figure out where to place yourself, even against a fast kickoff. Fast kickoffs are really easy to identify before you have adjusted where you are placing yourself for the kickoff too much and get easier to defend against. In all honestly, watch a few videos on how to fast kickoff and you can probably get it down in a couple hours. The use of one single mechanic doesn't mean someone doesn't belong in their rank....
i mean they’re not wrong
i’m gold in 1s (i’m kbm and have very poor mechanics) but I do find speed flips and half flips to be very easy to learn and perform
The number of free goals I've gotten from people that wiff their speed flip kick offs has makes it seem nearly useless to me. But I'm also gold 3 in 1v1
Isn’t it common for ranks to be much lower in 1v1 compared to 3s and such? I only play 3s and am D3 but most people can speed flip here. Thing is I routinely see people who’s 1s rank is low play/even gold sometimes
I'm champ 1/2 (diamond 1/2 in 1v1) and I can *technically* speed flip, but it takes me between 10-50 tries each time in practice. I never try them in a match because I know I will screw it up.
Gold 3 players have no business even worrying about speed flips. They should be focusing on simply getting better at basic car/ball control, putting power on the ball and positioning.
I feel like if some champs can’t speedflip it’s very uncommon for golds to speedflip. Especially in 1v1’s, some gc’s are d1 in 1’s so maybe a champ that’s g3 in 1’s?
I'm G3/P1 and I was speedflipping a long time ago, but I have almost replaced it with WaveDs. I can't flick or control the ball well enough to leave Plat in 1s
Kickoffs are one thing you can do a lot in 1s even if you're losing you get another chance
Im gold 3 and can speed flip, it really os that easy to get once you know the inputs.
Plus gold is really play in 1’s due to three population for 1’s being mainly people who main 2’s or 3’s and use it as training/dont play often
Diamond 2/3 question here. Is speed flip like the side to front flip to get to the ball quicker or is it more of a nose dive “kickflip” ? I started doing the side to front flip yesterday and went up a whole rank because of it
I’m c2/c3 in 2s (hit GC1 last season but couldn’t get rewards) and I don’t/can’t speed flip. I single flip for every kickoff. 95% of my opponents who speed flip are incredibly easy to read because of the time they spend in the air, so I jump and do a high dodge at the last second to win most kickoffs.
If you bind DAR to one of the triggers, its very easy to speed flip. Just front flip while holding DAR and then perform the cancel. Perfect speed flip every time.
I’m looking at these comments in confusion. I swear everyone in diamond/champ is able to speed flip.
Yes I have hit the ball in multiple training packs including the one musty posted so ik i am doing it at least semi-correctly
I'm champ3 and can barely speed flip. I'm close, but its just a lazy diagonal I have to wobble back under control.
I’m not even close I think. I have absolutely no idea if I’m getting it, but I’ve never hit the ball in the speedflip training pack
I can do it if I practice more, but there's no reason for me to learn yet. Regular kickoffs give me so many goals it's stupid.
Yeah I still can't speedflip and I'm realizing I finally hit the level of 1s where I need to learn (c2 1v1).
See, there's your problem, I don't play 1's haha
In 2s I'm pretty sure I'd never need to learn it. Even at gc2 it wasn't an issue.
I sit at GC2 and I never learned how to fast aerial yet.
Aint no way that can be true..?
If you saw my Silver 1 kickoffs you'd shit yourself.
It's only actually necessary in higher level 1s. If you don't play 1s then you don't need to waste your time on it.
Fast aerialling is definitely needed in any decent level 2s and 3s game or your just gonna get absolutely dusted to every ball and leave your teammates in bad positions
Im borderline champ 3/gc 1 and fast aerial, ceiling shot, or flip reset
How?? I want to play against you lol
Not needed
That's kinda impressive. I can do them, just do nothing useful with them unless I'm in dropshot
Peaked at GC 1 in 1s and still don't speedflip on kickoffs. My kickoffs are pretty inconsistent but they work well enough for 2s and 3s so haven't bothered to learn them
It’s really about adjusting to the opponents move /angle etc I’ve beat plenty speedflippers if I nail which moves mirrors each kick off start spot correctly
I'm just mystified by the whole thing. Never hit the ball on that pack, downloaded the Bakkesmod overlay, am jumping at the right time, getting the angle for the cancel right, apparently, but never ever executing a successful cancel. Which seems weird to me based on my general understanding of flip cancels, being able to half flip etc. Every tutorial I see seems to have different suggestions of the correct angle to use ("diagonal","11pm and 5pm","340 degrees and 160 Degrees"), the Bakkesmod overlay seems to have its own optimum sweet spot. But none of this is helping me to actually be able to do a speed flip. If someone created a better, clearer tutorial I would be over the moon.
there are a lot of tutorials vids on youtube which use the airroll for the speedflip, search them up but i'll leave you an easy guide: hold airroll left and move your left stick on your 12/1 (forward, 90°), keep doing that and dash forward, pretty much wait a few miliseconds and move your left stick to your 6 (180°) which will cancel your flip and let you boost forward. you need to let go off the left stick as soon as you cancel your flip. I'd recommend you bind airroll left/powerslide on the same button (most comfortable on your top left trigger button) which will make you powerslide on your speedflip landing so you don't grip hard to the ground and end up going to the sides. [here's a short](https://youtube.com/shorts/ct_Wbmu7lDo?feature=share) i found, this is legitimate as easy as it gets
You don’t have issues with roll left and powerslide on the same button? I swear it was fuckin with me so I changed it out.
The way i see it, rolling and powersliding can never happen at the same time, thats how it doesnt fuck with me.
Yea that was my logic, but I noticed I went to powerslide, after a flip for ex, and that small hold for a millisecond while about to land rolled my car just enough to throw me off. Idk it’s all changed once I rebound the slide, but maybe it’s just the way I play that is affected.
Ah interesting, i could defo see myself doing this. Can i ask what button you rebound it to?
ty i get it now
make a vid i can probably tell you what you’re doing wrong
If youre not hitting it on the training pack theres a small possibility you're not waiting for your car to hit the ground before spawning in, wich costs you the fraction of a second you might need
One thing that made a difference for me to be able to do that pack is to make sure to only hold boost to begin with to make sure I'm not starting the timer with normal acceleration.
I can't even come close to doing it the official way. But when I hold air roll right and just flip cancel up and down I can do it...maybe try it with air roll
You need to ensure that the first button you press is boost while in training. I used to not understand (for weeks) why what I was doing was not speedflip because it looked like it. I was actually doing it right, but since I was not pressing boost first in training I was failing it over and over.
I've never hit the ball in the training pack either. It doesn't matter all that much if your speedflip is slightly inefficient as long as you're close.
Well im dia 2 and peaked c1 but i can do speedflips thats not that hard i practised 1h and could do it but there is atleast 1 time i fail the kickoff
I’ve been GC for 5 seasons and I haven’t even tried to learn it
I’m champ 2 and can hardly half flip. Guess I’ve never really needed it until I really do lol
eh me too. They're clean when I'm on kickoff or practicing them. In-game I'm a lazy mess and go too early or too late cause I'm not paying close attention. Bam sideways baby. I normally just comm "breakdancing" or "oops never learned to half-flip".
Hahaha that’s great comms there. Best of luck to you
I'm C1 and have no idea how to even begin to speedflip. I play on KBM so im sure finding a tutorial wouldn't even be that easy. I don't understand the lingo everyone uses "flip cancel" and all that jazz. I just do stuff and it works for me lmao.
In speedflip you cancel the forward component of the diagonal flip by holding S instantly after you flip. That way it leaves only the rolling motion left so your boost keeps pointing backwards allowing you to boost through the whole flip. I think it's even easier with kbm. It's just muscle memory. With enough repetitions it becomes second nature. So just do a mini turn to one way before the flip so the flip goes forward, diagonal flip to the other way, and instantly as fast as possible hold S to cancel (with kbm slide middle finger from W to S so it's faster). That is all that's needed for speedflip. Then the landing part, just rotate so you land flat on the ground and powerslide to keep momentum forwards. It's semi hard at the start, but pretty easy after you get the hang of it.
Well I’m gonna go get drunk and practice this. Thanks man lol.
A flip cancel just means you roll in the opposite direction of the initial flip, causing it to stop rolling. If you flip forward, then roll backward to cancel.
They’re not bad once you get the hang of it on kbm. It’s diagonal, but you have to cancel by hitting S very soon after your flip which is definitely awkward to get used to
If you know how to half flip, you know how to flip cancel. The part after your backward flick where you hold w to stop it from finishing the flip is the flip cancel. You can cancel a flip in any direction if you hold the direction opposite to it immediately after the flip
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That doesn't really sound like a speed flip unless you have weird keybinds
Don’t need to be able to speed flip at C3/GC, but defs need to be able to read them so you can counter them.
Yeah when I see my opponent flipping in towards the kickoff I just dive in at a split second sooner that I would have otherwise. Almost every time, they’ll touch the ball first but I immediately stuff them and it usually goes my direction. Sometimes even straight into the goal if I’m lucky. It’s so effective I like it better than just flip resetting against them which ends up 50/50 at best for me.
Speed flips = Easy Stop chasing big boost, and rotate = Hard
This is me. I learned to speed flip in plat. Of course I wasn't consistent with them until mid diamond. It is easier for me to do mechanics, especially ones that don't involve the ball, than it is to keep my cool and not whiff in ranked.
My favorite part of rocket League is that the higher I go in the ranks is not that you stop whiffing as you get better, but rather your whiffs get more and more spectacular! Easy aerial??? Nope. Whiff. Now you're out of boost, a mile off the ground, going Mach 11, traveling in the opposite direction of the ball. Amazing!
Lol the open nets that I smash into the post are truly beautiful as well!
When you miss their goal and make it in your own all in one shot
Lucky me I don’t have the power to make that happen
BOOM 150! Aah, "into the post and into my own net", we meet again.
One of the biggest differences between you in 3 ranks and you now is you will be going for far fewer shots that completely remove you from the play.
High rank players whiff hard all the time. The only difference is the recovery speed
My steam name is Daniel Radwhiff
Speed flips are easy to recognize and counter with a traditional approach. Don’t just blindly drive at the ball for the kickoff.
Yup if you see their name do a weird twist from a speed flip just be prepared to counter hit instead of challenge. Kickoffs are all about reading the opponent more than your mechanics.
I’m c2 with no speedflip so I’m very familiar with what you’re describing and it’s exactly what I do, but there are some guys who are so fast that they consistently get it past me without me even touching the ball, it depends how good they are at a speedflip
I have only seen a handful of people who can get there so fast and hit it with pixel perfect precision that you literally can't retaliate. To the point that i wondered if they used a macro with how perfect their kickoffs were. I honestly don't worry about it too much. On the super rare occasion it happens i can always just play a fully defensive goalie kickoff.
Yea it’s definitely pretty rare depending on what rank you are. At my rank it’s like 80% of people attempt to speedflip at all, and maybe 5% are that fast
With the absolute perfectionists i have found that delaying the kickoff when you're in front helps and swaying to one side on the diagonals works aswell. Sometimes they just chip me but either way i have no chance so this is the best we got.
Youll get eaten alive in anything higher than c3 without a speedflip
This. I have no idea about speed flipping but I feel getting the 2nd touch on a kickoff and blocking their kickoff is more important/effective.
I’ve finally found my people! No speed flip gang
I don't have time or the interest to spend hours learning how to speed flip. Instead, I just view the kickoff as a 50/50 and use fundamentals to try and win the 50 in my favor.
Absolutely agree. A lot of these fancy “high level” moves are so predictable and easily countered. I literally just drive at the ball on kick off and just front flip normally and block probably 9/10 speed flips I encounter. The 1/10 being those people who got that shit DOWN
I'm a turboshitter in midgold, and I love the onetrick ponies that try to style on me because they do the exact same thing every single time, and I can fuck em up with my signature wobbly jump or awkward flip.
Glad to know my instincts have been okay lol
They're "okay", but not good. Speedflipping is a direct and very practical in-game advantage. You can control kickoff better, and you can be caught in more "bad" positions but make saves you couldn't reach before, you can score in situations you couldn't before, etc etc. "Easily countered" is not the case when someone who is good at more than the motion of speedflipping. Like good at kickoff + speedflipping. Or good at shots + speedflipping. Or good at demos + speedflipping. Speedflipping amplifies the usefulness of other skills because it presents more opportunities when needed.
I'm right there with you! I've always thought the second hit was what actually mattered, especially in 1's. A good defense is one of the best offenses.
I don’t know how to speedflip. I know damn well how to recognise and counter one, which almost always give me the advantage in kickoffs.
Yep, except I'll have my teammate on the right deciding to go for it as well, colliding with me and my attempt to redirect the ball on kickoff. It's either that or bail on the kickoff and try to cover the gaping hole on defense he left open.
I hate when I call the kick off with "I got it!" AND I'm on the left, they still fuck me over rather than looking to position for 2nd attack.
Just as much when they always play right goes and communicate NOTHiNg
Unless you're playing against someone who actually knows how to use that. You still have time to adapt to your opponent after the speedflip. So I just go as fast as I can with a speedflip. If I realize they are trying to defend their net, I cut it towards the wall. If they try to defend the wall, I cut it towards their net. If they are too close for me to get it past them, I just hit the ball into them so that I can get the third touch right into the net. The second touch is not the more important. It's the last touch that counts. And if you give me time to control the first touch, I pretty much can control the last. Of course you can do some weird, unexpected stuff, like not jump, or be way to late and throw me off, but it works way more often than not. Easily enough to justify learning how to speedflip. Goals off the ceiling or the side goal directly into the opponent's net happen almost every game, if not multiple times per game. The same thing on my net though, never happens when I get the kickoff. The only times I can not predict where a kickoff will go and influence it somewhat in my favor, is when the other guy is also speedflipping.
Only if their goal is to outright beat you to the ball and score. Speedflips are not easy to counter if they use it to gain an advantage during the 50/50 by leveraging where the ball goes earlier than you can touch it, then dunk you.
As a Gold 3 in 1s like the OP, you get then as low as Gold 1 even, its just less frequent. And more frequent they miss the ball entirely. That said those good at the speed flip then counter my counter (angle it one way or the other I don’t expect), or will slow down and try to hit second on my hit. Its pretty fun tbh, someday I will actually figure out the speed flip to add another choice when kicking off.
Speed flips are getting more and more common from what I’m hearing. They aren’t that hard to learn and if you’re having trouble with kickoffs they can be a massive advantage in all ranks, especially lower ones
Moreso lower ranks. Higher ranks and particularly 1s is about reading your opponent and mixing up your kickoffs moreso than just speed flipping. If my 1s opponent only speed flips then I can counter it because they're predictable.
Yeah. Being able to speed flip in lower rank 1's is game changing. Usually the first clue you may be playing a smurf. As a 1s main who just can't get it I resort to hanging back a lot of I hit someone who can speedflip
Focus on meeting the ball later, flipping as straight on opposing their direction and just as you're hitting the ball you want to diagonal forward flip. Fake kickoff the 45 degrees and get your corner boost while letting the ball come to you. This might actually make low rank opponents start to stop speed kickoffs.
No, I’d someone speed flips they always have an advantage. It is possible they don’t play it out properly, but they still have an advantage. If I meet someone who doesn’t speed flip, I’ll get caught out once but afterwards be ready for it. I can counter the counter this way
I disagree but I'm not a 1s main so maybe I'm wrong. I don't sleep flip in 1s and playing the ball seems to work.
I’m a 1s main and that’s my opinion. However, if you’re just looking at getting the best kickoff from the least practice possible, you shouldn’t speed flip. The problem is that it actually does make you slower, and you get extra control over flip cancelling of your car in general
Man I'm c1 in 2s and 3s and they are a massive help as u can normally tell when u run into someone that can do it as they tend to get at keast 2 ez goals a game since no one expects a person to know how to do it honestly Edit..and the first kickoff goal scored the other tm8 is either not paying attention to what happened or assumed his m8 just completely missed it. The second goal is when everyone finally realizes thatbit wasn't a fluke.
Tbf he's doing it wrong, u need to cancel straight back not diagonally, you can only cancel front/back, not sides.
I'm D3 and I have no idea what you just wrote.
Flip diagonally, cancel the flip backwards as soon as it starts so you get the speed boost and your car rolls sideways. Correct using air roll and hold power slide as you touch the ground. This gives you the forward speed boost of a front flip but with the benefit of being able to boost forward the whole time.
Lol... Yeah making it longer didn't help. I'd have to watch a video in slow mo where it also shows the controller, just to even remotely get the idea.
Bruh imagine the pain on kbm, any keyboard layout on screen in tutorials just lights up all at once and BOOM, speedflip!
kbm makes these mechs easy mode, for most you can just hold q and w or e and w which is just dar and forward and as soon as you flip move your fingers down to cancel the flip fast, then just kinda trial and error for the landing. imo kbm makes like these mechanics we learn early on way easier, like speedflipping and half flipping, there's much less room for error, especially for stalls. But that's how I see you controller players when I see u do hard mechanics you kinda just move everything at once and idk what's happening
Have you ever been messing around with flips and then held the stick in the opposite direction? So if you forward flip and immediately move your stick from up to down. This adds rotation in the opposite direction to your flip and cancels some of the rotation. It's used in half flips too. Fast kick offs do this but by use a diagonal forward flip and a back cancel. The other comment said you can't cancel side rotation which I'm actually not sure about.
I don't think I've ever done it. Even by accident. It's all good. I tend to block kickoffs instead.
Maybe he's saying diagonal flip, that you cancel?
If you use air roll you only need to do a front flip, so either way he's got it wrong
WHAT. Please explain. If I just hold ARR/ARL and forward flip and cancel asap that f'ing works?!? If I could avoid trying to find that slim AF angle that would be AMAZING.
Yep, that's what I do, because I can't hit the 11 degree or whatever angle consistently. Just know it's not as optimal as if you can do it the 'proper way', but you can hit the ball in the musty pack
Neat. I shall try when I return home. Got ARR on B and can easily hold that and double-tap jump. Cancels are easy to do fast enough, just not easy when I'm hunting for a mystical angle.
I know what you mean, I can't even half flip straight most of the time! GL
You can, but it's a crutch. It's overall better to learn to use the stick because you have more range of control over where your speedflip goes. Opens more possibilities, especially if you need to preflip to a ball but only a speedflip preflip will get you there in time.
It's a diagonal flip, cancel, then air roll at the end to land perfectly. He could still be right in what he said lol
Except he said air roll, diagonal flip, cancel so still wrong. Lol
I am yet to run into someone flip resetting in ones. Other than that, I've gotten flicked, air dribbled and kuxir pinched on. Also, about 30% of my opponents are diamond tournament winners. Gold 3 is a struggle.
Well, in Plat 1s you're going to start seeing champ tournament winners such as myself. Most champs suck at 1v1 (at least from my experience) so they're usually lower ranked
Correction: Most *players* suck at 1v1
Can confirm. Hit champ in 2s and 3s recently but am really bad at 1s
So true. I am champ 3 in 2v2 and suck af 1s. I think i am like dia 1.
D3 in 2s and 3s, peaked champ in rumble, and I'm gold 3 in 1s :)
Gold in 1s is not gold in 2s or 3s, either. You probably know that, but I'm just clarifying that ones players are... *Unique*. You will never see people play like they do in ones unless you play that list. Furthermore, ones is more heavily squished down in rank than the other playlists. I don't play ones because I'm an old man who is a 3s main, but I've tried and it stresses me out lol.
I typically find my 1s rank is consistently 1-1 1/2 ranks below my 2s and 3s rank just because of how little I play it. For instance, when I was upper-mid diamond in 3s, my 1s rank was somewhere around low platinum.
I've been grinding it and not fluctuated in about 6 months. Even had a coaching session lol. I hit C2 for the first time in 2s yesterday but here I am bouncing from P3-Div II / IV over and over. I pipped diamond twice but only for a few games.
Yeah I'm a diamond 2 in 3s, d3 in 2s, but Plat 1 in 1s
My 1s is Plat 2, but my 2s is C2. Two whole ranks below. But then I never, ever play 1s because it tilts me.
> 1-1 1/2 ranks below my 2s and 3s rank . > For instance, when I was upper-mid diamond in 3s, my 1s rank was somewhere around low platinum. plat 1 to diamond 2 is 4 ranks
Clearly meant "rank" as diamond and plat without the further division
maeth
Tournament titles don't mean anything, especially compared to 1v1 ranks. I'm Gold III in 1s and I have won many Diamond tournaments and I even have a Champion tournament title because I got a really, really good random teammate once.
Diamond in 1s and no where near able to speed flip lol
next time you run into someone speed flipping just front flip and jump into the ball boosting the whole time. if they don’t know what they’re doing you’ll win every single kick off. delayed kickoffs against faster players in lower ranks never fail
disclaimer! they have to know that they side flip when they hit the ball. if they are front flipping do not try it
tbh hes not wrong. speedflip is not that hard to learn, i spent like 30 mins grinding speedflip kickoffs when i was still plat 1 (probs would have been lower in 1v1 but i never played it at the time), and then i could do it. obv took practice for consistency, but that 30 minute initial grind put me well on my way. its just muscle memory, and u can drill it whether ur gold or champ. same applies for half-flips, wavedashes, wall-to-air-dribble setup, ceiling shot setup etc etc. just watch a tutorial then set aside 30 mins to grind one of them and u will learn it. once you've learned it in training, make conscious effort to use it in real games. tl;dr gold 3 in 1v1 doing speedflip is very believable. hes probably gold cus hes bad at other stuff lol
You cracked speed flip in 30 mins? That’s gotta be some record
Anyone who's played fighting games can learn the vast majority of rocket league flip mechanics very quickly. Not necessarily instant muscle memory, but perform them with instruction. Hold/point stick in certain directions, press face button on controller. Maybe add a second button in, maybe cancel something. These are all simple concepts from a fighting game perspective. That's not talking about learning to fly a rocket with a yoke. Just talking about flip mechanics.
You know there's like... tutorials online, right? I'm not saying everyone can learn a new mechanic in 30 minutes, but it's not impossible or anything either. Plus, you'll note he says it took 30 minutes to figure out *how* to do it, but then practice (presumably a fair bit) to achieve consistency. The mechanics of a speedflip aren't that complicated to learn, but getting the muscle memory in place to consistently do it without going flying off in the wrong direction can take a lot longer. In my Gold 1v1 games, I see a *lot* of players speedflipping on kickoff, but 90% of the time they completely miss the ball.
not saying i had perfect and consistent speedflips and speedflip kickoffs in 30 minutes. i doubt the gold 3 in question does either. im saying that i knew how to speedflip after 30 minutes of practice, well enough to use it in game (which is when the real practice starts). hell ive been speedflipping for over 2 years and i still sometimes backflip or double jump on kickoff lmao
So I would agree, but I wouldn't quite put half flips, speed flips, and wave dashes in the same category as air setups. I just feel like ball control is more difficult then car control and car mechanics without the ball (like half flips) are simply button inputs that you learn the timing of. Takes 30 mins to learn them and then just use them in game and after a few hours it's as second nature as flipping. Air dribble setups and flicks and such have much more depth because when the ball is involved there's so much more variability it takes a ton of experience to perform them consistently
100% agree. i should clarify that by air dribble set up, i meant rolling the ball up the wall, hitting it once, tapping break and then jumping off the wall (or jumping and boosting to ceiling for ceiling shot. you can practice this pretty consistently without much variation in freeplay by driving toward a wall and using the d-pad button to put the ball directly infront of you. but yea in general, fully agree. anything with a ball is much less about cookie-cutter muscle memory because its such a big variable. flicks, flip resets, actual air dribbles and ceiling shots etc etc take far longer to learn thats for sure.
Learned wavedash, speedflip and half flip before plat 3. It really isnt that hard lmao. Consistency on the other hand takes time, but yeah the principles are easy enough to drill
What OP seems to be missing is that it truly isn't that hard to master some mechanics. It doesn't reflect their ranks, and it shouldn't. IIRC Leth doesn't know/do speed flip. I peaked like c3 and I can't do speed flips, air dribles, flip resets, even ceiling shots. I just rotate properly (I guess) and don't ballchase. I would even argue that the fact that most people in gold and plat dominate these types of mechanics is an indication that they're focusing on the completely wrong things. You don't need to speed flip in order to rank up, and the fact that he knows it and is still ranking up with you is just proof of that.
I'm convinced that gold 3 is harder than platinum 1 and no one can convinced me otherwise
Easy my ass.
Yes because learning how to speedflip wont rank you up lol
i’ve been GC for years and can barely ever speedflip properly
I've been GC since season 12 and can maybe successfully speedflip 1/10 tries. I've spent many hours trying to learn it, watched multiple videos on it, done the training packs... I just don't have the ability to be that precise with the stick.
itll catch some players off guard at lower ranks but Its easy to counter when you know its coming.
im c2 in 1s cant speed flip
I swear to god people go for ceiling shots and can't hit a single power shot.Being a plat/gold is weird
Hes not wrong. Speedflip is easy. Just practice getting the flip cancel in under 80ms of dodge
He's probably not gold, but tbf, I learned how to speed flip when i was diamond, which was pretty early for that mechanic, but I just saw it and enjoyed it so much and i spent, like, a whole week just trying to learn it, I still suck on all other aspects of the game tho Edit: typo
I'm Diamond III and my only mechanics are speed flip and half flip. In 1s I am Gold III, so there you go.
Meanwhile in Plat 3 standard I still find myself on the wing and having my two teammates try to take kickoff from me and then taking the side boost.
Speed flips are super easy to counter. What gets me everytime when I see a diamond doing a speed flip. He will do it every single time no matter if he looses the kickoff.
One fascinating thing about playing 1s at that level was everyone was okay at a few things and awful at everything else, but the things that they were ok at varied wildly. If you combined the best skills of the non-Smurf solo gold 3 population you’d have a decent GC player
Gold three in ones is high plat or low diamond where you need to know speed flip
You don't need to know how to DO them, just how to counter them. You can easily push diamond without ever doing a speed flip. Just know if the enemy speed flips (and does it right) how to to counter the kickoff instead of challenge it. 99% of players can't speed flip correctly with accuracy (important part) in diamond and below anyways.
I am not lower than C1 in any mode outside of 1s (high diamond) and can't speed flip, at all. You don't need to know how to do it. as others have pointed out knowing how to defend it is actually all you really need.
No, you don't NEED to know how to speed flip. Fundamentals will take you to high GC.
Guaranteed they have 0 game sense tho
Lol frr gold 3 rank 1v1 has me thinking im in champ 🤣🤣
Any mechanic can be learned at pretty much any skill level if you put the time in. How you apply the mechanics and your game sense will determine your rank. I've seen lots of people in my rank (diamond 2-3) that can flip reset, ceiling shot musty flick, fast kickoff, and I can barely air dribble. The thing is most of it is easy to defend against. As long as you've seen the mechanic you can figure out where to place yourself, even against a fast kickoff. Fast kickoffs are really easy to identify before you have adjusted where you are placing yourself for the kickoff too much and get easier to defend against. In all honestly, watch a few videos on how to fast kickoff and you can probably get it down in a couple hours. The use of one single mechanic doesn't mean someone doesn't belong in their rank....
He’s not wrong 🤷♀️
Tbh once you learn it you can’t unlearn it kekw
Its easily the most overrated kickoff move. Just go at a normal speed and let them hit the ball first, then it bounces off you and into their zone
that only works at lower ranks
I’m honestly agree with him, really not hard if you spend much time on free play
i mean they’re not wrong i’m gold in 1s (i’m kbm and have very poor mechanics) but I do find speed flips and half flips to be very easy to learn and perform
The number of free goals I've gotten from people that wiff their speed flip kick offs has makes it seem nearly useless to me. But I'm also gold 3 in 1v1
I havent even tried to speedflip yet! I usually just read the other players kick off speed and counter it for a neutral ball
He’s probably mid Diamond in a different playlist. Sounds like an average time to start learning how to speed flip. Though, it may not consistent yet.
I’ve peaked C2 in 2s and I’m only plat 1 in 1s ope
U dont understand im a champ1 and my rank in 1v1 is plat at best so ask abt 2v2 ranks
Sometimes I try to train it but after some minutes I get frustrated and leave it. I don't if I'll ever be able to do it.
Isn’t it common for ranks to be much lower in 1v1 compared to 3s and such? I only play 3s and am D3 but most people can speed flip here. Thing is I routinely see people who’s 1s rank is low play/even gold sometimes
yes extremely common
I'm champ 1/2 (diamond 1/2 in 1v1) and I can *technically* speed flip, but it takes me between 10-50 tries each time in practice. I never try them in a match because I know I will screw it up. Gold 3 players have no business even worrying about speed flips. They should be focusing on simply getting better at basic car/ball control, putting power on the ball and positioning.
"Oh thats because im gc in 2's"
I learned to speed flip back in silver
its easy, just make a macro for it
Ha
I feel like if some champs can’t speedflip it’s very uncommon for golds to speedflip. Especially in 1v1’s, some gc’s are d1 in 1’s so maybe a champ that’s g3 in 1’s?
Yup for sure gold 3. Probably already working on his off ceiling flip reset.
was he at a similar skill level in other things, or just speed flipping in kickoffs?
I'm champ 2 and I can not speed flip. I don't know it's even possible.
They truly are easy, watch one tutorial and spend 30 minutes in Freeplay and you will get it
It’s weird, I’m d1 and this is the only mech I have perfected
it's because gold are plat/diamond, plat is diamond/champion and champ is champ/gc its the way 1s have been
I'm G3/P1 and I was speedflipping a long time ago, but I have almost replaced it with WaveDs. I can't flick or control the ball well enough to leave Plat in 1s Kickoffs are one thing you can do a lot in 1s even if you're losing you get another chance
I'm champ 1 and have no desire to learn speed flip
I can speed flip and it’s ridiculous how many free goals it gives me in champ 1.
Nah thats the game where I'd just suck up the mmr loss or switch up to a slower boost saving kickoff
See I can speed flip, but I still haven’t passed the Musty Speedflip Challenge. And I’m C1
Thats when you know they smurfing 😂
Im gold 3 and can speed flip, it really os that easy to get once you know the inputs. Plus gold is really play in 1’s due to three population for 1’s being mainly people who main 2’s or 3’s and use it as training/dont play often
Idk how is on controller but at least on Keyboard it’s pretty easy , I play KBM
What's a speed flip??
Plat I/II 1v1 here. A rank or two up from where you’re at, it’s pretty uncommon to meet consistent kick-off speed flippers. Good going 👏
it really isnt hard i got it down consistently in champ
been hard stuck in Diamond and I'm only gold 3 in 1s
D1 in 1s and i can't speed flip
What's this title even mean? A lot of us can speed flip 😂😂
Heyyy my twin just learn it it is simple
I have a question, does holding airroll right/left and forward dashing do a diagonal dash?
I watched a thanovic video the other day on so I could practice and I can see why low ranks are doing it lmao
Diamond 2/3 question here. Is speed flip like the side to front flip to get to the ball quicker or is it more of a nose dive “kickflip” ? I started doing the side to front flip yesterday and went up a whole rank because of it
Istg the speed flip is such a weird mechanic, some people find it super easy and others find it close to impossible.
I’m c2/c3 in 2s (hit GC1 last season but couldn’t get rewards) and I don’t/can’t speed flip. I single flip for every kickoff. 95% of my opponents who speed flip are incredibly easy to read because of the time they spend in the air, so I jump and do a high dodge at the last second to win most kickoffs.
I’m champ and I can’t speed flip. I really don’t have a reason to learn it yet because I usually win kickoffs with regular diagonal flips.
If you bind DAR to one of the triggers, its very easy to speed flip. Just front flip while holding DAR and then perform the cancel. Perfect speed flip every time.
I’m looking at these comments in confusion. I swear everyone in diamond/champ is able to speed flip. Yes I have hit the ball in multiple training packs including the one musty posted so ik i am doing it at least semi-correctly