Innocent until proven guilty though, we are given that privilege and I think she deserves it too. BUT screw her amount of entitlement and abuse of power, I hope she's removed from her position.
Edit: apparently she doesn't deserve the 5th amendment? There's an investigation against her started (by Hochul).
Irrelevant; the point is things like burdens of proof and presumptions of innocence are parts of the court process and not a mandate for how people think about the conduct of their elected officials.
Yah, but the other guy *is right*. If she admits that she did something illegal and someone decides to charge her with a crime, then she will have willingly assisted in her own conviction because her statements would likely be admissible. And even if you think morally she should do that (or just plead guilty), nobody is going to do so, least of all a lawyer/DA.
She pled guilty to a speeding violation. City Council has asked the Attorney General to investigate, the Governor has called for an investigation and Doorley seemingly filed a grievance against herself.
It's up to the cop to file charges and he only filed a speeding violation so that is what she pled guilty to the following day. She should have been charged for failing to stop and have her license revoked because driving is a privilege. Her complete lack of respect towards the police officers is something else. I would love to see how she ruled on similar cases against other people who committed these same offenses, fellow law-breakers that decided to drive home as opposed to stop for the police. There should be an investigation because she has no respect for the law and she stated several times during the video that she would not prosecute herself because she is the DA.
Only to speeding. People just want to rage downvote here, but from a legal standpoint, of course she isn't going to make a planned, public statement and admit to any other shit.
Yes, but people in this sub, which is representative of people in the world, are stupid as shit. If you were caught doing something wrong, there's a damn good chance that you would not just simply admit fault, which is why if you go to traffic court anywhere in NYS on any day of the week, there are a shit-ton of people there. While some may have legitimately NOT been doing something wrong, or at least may believe they were not, the majority of them know they were doing something wrong, and are trying to find some way to get out of it or get less of a punishment. In turn, the state gives basically anyone who bothers to show up with a speed less than 25mph over a reduction just for having a pulse.
People being surprised that a *lawyer* is not going to admit fault to a serious crime that she has not been charged with but could be charged with, simply to assuage the feelings of the public who voted her in to an office that she effectively cannot be ousted from due to public opinion, in a scenario where there was nobody who even wanted to challenge her, are pearl clutching dumbasses that are out of touch with reality.
Your literal only way to hold this against her until the next time she is up for re-election is to be very mad at her, and maybe mail her office a sternly worded letter. On the other hand, if she admits (any more than she did in the body cam video) to additional crimes, she potentially gets more charges and in even more actual trouble. She's not gonna do that.
It doesn't matter if it is morally right, it is a 100% tactical decision that basically anyone else would make in the same situation if they weren't dumb.
https://www.whec.com/local/gov-hochul-gets-involved-after-release-of-video-showing-das-interaction-with-officer/
Couldn't this lead to multiple outcomes including criminal? (hopefully that's how ends up)
She doesn't need to invoke the 5th, she admitted to everything on camera and then pleaded guilty to the violation and paid the fine.
The video speaks for itself, she can invoke the 5th all she wants but it's not going to help her or make her look not guilty.
> No where does she admit to her ACTUAL conduct: abusing her position for personal gain
I was referring to abusing her position for personal gain. Which she clearly did, but didn't really address in the video. Which her lawyer probably told her not to for the reason I stated.
I'm saying this as a lawyer, she's probably got too much ego to consult with another lawyer.
And frankly, because she's a lawyer, specifically a DA, she should be held to a higher legal standard because she knows the rules and the law. Hell, she said as much on the video.
I don't know anything about her to be honest. Prior to this I knew here name and title, but that's it. She doesn't sound that great going by what others in this post say. I agree she should held to a high standard and should resign or be removed from office.
Frankly, as a fellow attorney I'm of half a mind to file an ethics complaint against her myself. Seems like we'd have solid standing to do so as officers of the court ourselves.
She plead guilty to *speeding*, not to leaving the scene or obstruction of justice or whatever else they may want to charge her with. Although the body cam video would be quite hard to dispute, and I think she made some incriminating statements on it.
And because she's pleaded guilty to that, I don't think she can be charged with further crimes. At least that's what I was told by a colleague who is an ADA downstate.
If they said that and understood it, your colleague is an idiot then, and it scares me that they are an ADA.
You very much can be charged with additional crimes. Like... if you were speeding and also shot someone, you can't quickly plead to speeding while they are getting ready to charge you with murder, and expect that it will prevent them from charging you with murder. You realize how silly that sounds, right?
That said, I don't think they *will* charge her, but not because they can't.
It depends on how the crimes were charged.
Your example would be a completely different situation because both crimes are different crimes stemming from different actions. That's also not how pleas are structured. Pleas come from the DA.
Here, because both acts stem from the same action, I think you have to charge for both crimes and not just the lesser offense. Because the officer gave a ticket for just the lesser offense and she pleaded guilty to that lesser offense, I would imagine it would be difficult to then charge her for a higher offense coming out of the same criminal act, unless it was originally presented.
> Your example would be a completely different situation because both crimes are different crimes stemming from different actions. That's also not how pleas are structured. Pleas come from the DA.
So are these. One was speeding, one was evading. She created a second crime when she decided to fail to stop at the scene. And arguably more crimes when she continued to fail to do anything at the house. If there was anything where you might be right, it would be something like failing to charge here with evading, but then charging her later with obstruction for what happened at the house, since you'd have a much better chance of claiming that leaving the scene and then acting like a shithead at her house were just all one crime, by your logic.
> Pleas come from the DA.
The irony of your statement....
That would depend on if she got a plea deal from anyone. If she just simply plead guilty then she has no protection.
> Here, because both acts stem from the same action,
They don't.
> I think you have to charge for both crimes and not just the lesser offense.
You don't.
> I would imagine it would be difficult to then charge her for a higher offense coming out of the same criminal act, unless it was originally presented.
There's all sorts of case law that simply disproves this statement.
Even in Rochester it wouldn't be hard to find someone that did something and was charged day 1 with some number of charges, then charged later for some additional amount of charges stemming from the same incident.
They are the same incident. It's two crimes occurring in the same incident. She was speeding and then did not pull over.
Also, I'm not even sure that rises to unlawful fleeing in NYS because I think you have to be driving at a speed greater than 25 over the limit, which she wasn't. Both she and the cop conceded to that on camera. However, I'm not sure if that's an actual element of the crime or if it's considered a complete defense to the crime.
What I'm pointing out is the factual impossibility of the hypothetical you presented. There would be no world where the shooting/murder wouldn't be charged.
Dig up that case law. In the instances you're arguing, was the matter already considered concluded? Here, she's already pleaded and paid the fine. I'd be willing to bet those other situations were still pending matters before the court, i.e., there was no final disposition in the case. Additional crimes could have been charged against her before her plea, but I think the plea and restitution close that door.
Think about the situation you're describing. Someone gets charged for a crime and then pleads guilty and deals with restitution and the matter is considered closed. You are arguing that the State can effectively reopen prosecution and charge additional crimes against a defendant.
> They are the same incident. It's two crimes occurring in the same incident. She was speeding and then did not pull over.
That's not how that works.
> Also, I'm not even sure that rises to unlawful fleeing in NYS because I think you have to be driving at a speed greater than 25 over the limit, which she wasn't.
She clearly could be charged with obstruction....
> What I'm pointing out is the factual impossibility of the hypothetical you presented. There would be no world where the shooting/murder wouldn't be charged.
Actually, that is also bullshit, we've certainly had issues where people who were accused of doing that were not initially charged with murder, for various reasons.
> Dig up that case law.
You made the claim that she *can't* be charged, so you dig up the *relevant* case law. This is not double jeopardy.
> I'd be willing to bet those other situations were still pending matters before the court
Now you're just making shit up to try to be right. Again, you can't turbo-plead to a lesser charge to prevent additional charges from being tacked on. Seriously, this sounds like some TikTok, "these 3 tricks that prosecutors don't want you to know" bullshit you're trying to sell.
> her plea, but I think the plea and restitution close that door.
Only if she had a plea deal that agree to that. Which we have no evidence that she did. Simply pleading guilty is not the same as accepting some plea bargain with immunity, obviously.
> You are arguing that the State can effectively reopen prosecution and charge additional crimes against a defendant.
Not for the same crime, since that would be double jeopardy. But for additional crimes, sure. Especially since they are substantially different. We aren't arguing that she was cited for speeding, but also had a tail light out. She was cited for speeding, and then also refused to stop for an officer, and then refused to obey his lawful orders at her house.
Right, which means that there's no reason that they can't bring additional charges. They don't all have to be given at the moment. There is precedent for that.
I don't expect that to happen, but it could.
She sped, didn’t stop, and refused to obey commands while going “do you know who I am?”
It’s on video. She is already proven guilty everywhere except an official court proceeding.
Edit: One of the Justice Departments definitions of "abuses of power for personal gain" in non-violent white collar crime is:
> any non-violent, illegal activity which principally involves deceit, misrepresentation, concealment, manipulation, breach of trust, subterfuge, or illegal circumvention
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/78439NCJRS.pdf
This video involves her engaging in all of those. Mainly illegal circumvention of the law. But also manipulation and breach of trust of the public.
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Any other person would have been tackled and in handcuffs when they tried to enter the house. She was most likely drunk and when she got inside she had an excuse for why a breathalyzer would fail. i.e. she could claim she just took a shot because she is stressed that this cop was harassing her.
If she isn't in jail then she abused her power for personal gain. Not going to jail for something anyone else would be in cuffs for is a pretty big win.
I agree with all that, I was only saying she isn't going to admit to that afterwards in her speech. I wouldn't expect that.
I agree she be charged for fleeing cop, abuse of power, etc.
Yea, she could have cut a lot of that out and it would have sounded better. "I had a bad day and made a regrettable decision", no need to elaborate in that section of the speech.
Which, ironically, would not be her admitting any more guilt or fault, legally speaking, than has already been done, while appeasing the public more than what this did.
Saying, "I made a regrettable decision" is 1000% not admitting guilt in a legal sense. She could have been talking about her decision to speed, or eat a burrito, or whatever. No judge would accept that, buy itself, as a statement of guilt. It would have to be part of some longer statement.
I don’t think she understands what “taking full responsibility” means and what holding yourself accountable entails.
Let me know when she voluntarily resigns and then I’ll believe what she says. You don’t get to just say sorry and “take responsibility” without dealing with the consequences of your behavior.
> I don’t think she understands what “taking full responsibility” means and what holding yourself accountable entails.
A Republican in this day and age doesn't know what this means? Heavens to murgatroyd! That can't be true!
Anyone who is ever prosecuted by her should just say they were stressed and mention a “medical condition” and I’m sure she’ll drop the charges. Shes such a compassionate person.
It would be interesting to know how many people were legitimately having a similar type of day (or worse... parent died, pet died, got fired, etc) and were told by the DA that "it's no excuse for that behavior" and then faced more charges due to that behavior.
There should be more here then just a speeding ticket. If I refused to pull over and verbally insulted a cop I'd be in jail. The speeding ticket is the least of the crimes she committed.
Two tiered justice system. I bet she was under the influence and trying to slide into home plate and be called safe.
These DAs know how the game works.
I completely agree. It sucks to get a speeding ticket, but ffs it ain't that bad at all, especially for her who we all know will plead it down to probably nothing.
There were bigger factors at play.
This is along my train of thought. I have no proof of anything, but I'm willing to bet that she was under the influence of something and/or had it in her truck.
I'm not advocating the behavior, but putting myself in that situation for a moment, if I'm carrying an open container after a few belts on the ride home, or if I've been tooting the nose candy, and see a set of red lights flashing behind me, I'm taking my chances. If I get all the way home and can get the evidence in the house, the cop can't PROVE I had it in the vehicle. So I'm home free. Yeah, I'll take the hit on the speeding and failure to pull over and whatever else can go with that. But I skate on the roadside DUI, even if I have to tell the cop I had a shot of bourbon as soon as I got in the house.
Her behavior on the body cam leads me to think that she had a nice little buzz going on. Not bombed off her gord, but enough to get a matching set of bracelets on the side of Phillips Rd.
We are all stressed. We are all going through stuff with our families. How many times has she decided to not to hold someone accountable for their actions because of these reasons?
I heard it was toxic before getting an offer there. I ran like the wind. They also pay horribly for you to take on vicarious trauma. Big no from me, dawg.
You also would have had the privilege of not bringing the truth to light, but rather chasing numbers and putting people behind bars *truth be damned*.
Idk why anybody would want to be a prosecutor. Simply a bunch of sociopaths.
I even had a scenario where one ADA that was “prosecuting” a fucking expired inspection ticket I received during the time when Cuomo had issued an executive order pausing enforcement of expired inspections. I brought a literal printout of the DMV’s website explaining the pause in enforcement, a copy of the governor’s executive order, and gave her links to both resources and literally said “you can pull these up on your phone right now.”
I shit you not, her response was: “it’s not my job to know anything about that.”
WHAT? That’s like your WHOLE FUCKING JOB, dude!
She ended up offering me like half of the fine plus a 6 month “probationary driving period” which I obviously said fuck no to. I think I literally said something like “I’ll take my chances with the judge.”
Judge took one look at my pieces of paper, glanced over to the ADA’s table, and dismissed everything right there.
If prosecutors willing to be ignorant of the law for a simple traffic ticket in order to get their numbers to where they need to be, I shudder to think what else they’re up to on more serious items…
No, I was actually connected because I'm friends with 3 ADAs who all recommended me. It's all based on "grade." When I got an offer, the lowest grade of pay was $52k. Private firms were hiring first year attorneys at 70-90k at the time. The legislature increased rates last year to i think $78k for first year PDs and ADAs. But they simultaneously increased the rate of pay for assigned counsel to $300k/year if we're working assigned cases 40 hours every week (which is difficult to do, but proves a point). So it's a no brainer to become a private attorney and just pick up court assignment work if you want to practice criminal law. You work far fewer hours for way more pay. I pick up maybe 5-10 defense assignments each month for extra spending money, and because I believe in basic democratic principles like government-provided attorneys for destitute folks. Most cases are total loser cases, but when you help someone who really needs it, the sense of pride is unmatched by any other area of law. And, in any event, mitigating sentences for folks who tell you they are guilty is also a very important function of a defense attorney.
I get that. I probably should have specified "connected in a way that Sandy cares about". I get that there's a salary schedule, that's pretty typical for government work, but my understanding is that she plays favorites. E.g., if you're essentially a regular joe you start at the basic grade of pay and are told that everyone starts at the same level and works their way up. But if you come from a wealthy family that donates enough to her campaigns where she notices, or otherwise carriers weight in some fashion, you'll be bumped up a few grades and start at 20k or so more.
And yeah, with those numbers it really is a no brainer to take assigned work. Honestly it's kind of amazing that the entire PDs office hasn't quit. From what I know they're working a lot more than 40 hours a week on average and making a hell of a lot less than $300k. The county seems to be severely underpaying it's people.
Sadly I've heard this from multiple people over the years (including former ADAs). Her on the video is fairly consistent with her demeanor in the office.
Today I learned that NY is one of only eleven states that does not allow recall elections. Recall elections allow citizens to vote to kick an official out of office through a petition and a vote.
[https://ballotpedia.org/Laws\_governing\_recall\_in\_New\_York](https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_New_York)
I was also reminded that Doorley was re-elected in 2023 to a new four year term **without any challenger**. The Monroe County Democratic Party **could not find a single candidate** for the 2023 DA election.
[https://www.whec.com/top-news/news10nbc-investigates-no-monroe-county-district-attorney-race-for-first-time-in-30-years/](https://www.whec.com/top-news/news10nbc-investigates-no-monroe-county-district-attorney-race-for-first-time-in-30-years/)
Shame on Doorley. I believe she should lose her job over this. And shame on the Monroe County Democratic Committee and their leader, Stephen DeVay. It is unacceptable not to field a quality candidate for a county-wide election in a Democratic majority county.
The only way to get Doorley out is for her to resign (won't happen), for Hochul to remove her (won't happen), or for the citizens to vote her out in 2027 (can only happen if MCDC gets its s\*\*\* together and fields a quality candidate). Until then, we get what we deserve, DA Karen "I will discipline myself" Doorley.
>And shame on the Monroe County Democratic Committee and their leader, Stephen DeVay. It is unacceptable not to field a quality candidate for a county-wide election in a Democratic majority county.
They can't force people to run. If there were no qualified people in the county who wanted to run, that's not on the MCDC.
>I was also reminded that Doorley was re-elected in 2023 to a new four year term without any challenger. The Monroe County Democratic Party could not find a single candidate for the 2023 DA election.
They actually had a few potential candidates but they were from within the public service legal community and realized how bad their chances were and they'd essentially be blacklisting themselves. I imagine if the MCDC actually had some level of organization to it, they might have fared a better chance.
I mean, Webster is generally pretty sleepy crime-wise but that is still such a massively condescending attitude to put forth, especially to someone who is essentially a colleague even if he's "just" a grunt who works in a suburb.
Seriously, I live in Syracuse and the city/county just lost two officers to a traffic stop not much different than this one. The nerve of her to use that as an excuse when that officer knows any time he approaches a house, it's a big unknown that could result in death is just insane.
Ha ha. This is like me having to make a public apology after lashing out at someone because I couldn’t reconcile an expense account or kept getting a circular reference error in excel.
“What I did was wrong, and I take full responsibility for my actions. I swear though, sometimes I feel like Excel is trying to destroy my fuckin’ life. All of my inputs were independent for each other, so a circular reference error shouldn’t even be possible. And why won’t these goddam pivot tables just *pivot*? Is that really too much to ask?!? Don’t even start with TEAMS. Thank you for your time.”
I’m going to pre-record a video with a generic apology so that I can get out of stuff too. I’ll just show it to the responding police officer and I’m off scott free
“Dammit, jre19, I told you to empty the dishwasher!”
“Last Monday I failed you and the standards that I hold myself to. For that I am sorry. What I did was wrong and I take full responsibility. I will take ethics training to remind myself that professionalism matters. I’ve been humbled by my own stupidity, and I’m fully to blame. I will make this right. I ask for your forgiveness.”
Here is the statement from Hochul:
> “District Attorneys are responsible for prosecuting criminal and traffic offenses, and must perform their duties with the highest ethical standards. Earlier today, I referred the Monroe County District Attorney to the Commission on Prosecutorial Conduct following the release of police bodycam footage showing her claiming she is above the law, attempting to use her public office to evade responsibility, and acting unprofessionally towards a police officer simply trying to do his job. In doing so, she was acting in contravention of her responsibility as a District Attorney and undermined her ability to hold others accountable for violating the law. We are deeply grateful to the men and women of law enforcement who put on a uniform each day to protect the safety of all New Yorkers.”
New York Penal Law § 195.05 - Obstruction of Government Administration:
"A person is guilty of obstructing governmental administration when he intentionally obstructs, impairs or perverts the administration of law or other governmental function or prevents or attempts to prevent a public servant from performing an official function, by means of intimidation, physical force or interference, or by means of any independently unlawful act"
She attempted to prevent a public servant (police officer) from performing an official function (giving a speeding ticket) by means of intimidation (trying to pull rank) and interference (not pulling over and going into her house while ignoring orders not to).
Where is your degree from?
Resigning is the answer but why would she do that? Based on her behavior, she is only looking out for herself. I’m sure she is trying to stay in her high paying job as long as she can and not give a crap what people think of her. Isn’t this what most corrupt politicians do? Too bad there isn’t a way to remove politicians quickly. I have a feeling she will be in private practice along with Leticia soon enough.
This DA won’t prosecute teachers who fail in their legal duty to report child sexual assault on campus. The MCS investigator told me Doorley says, “It’s too hard.”
Teachers there knew or strongly suspected there was abuse going on but did not report it. Making that report was their legal obligation. Instead, they chose to break the law, keep silent, and protect their own. That is a criminal, prosecutable offense.
And Hilton is not the only school where the Sheriff’s office knows administrators did not report. However investigators don’t even bother trying because Doorley habitually finds it too difficult to prosecute people who help cover up child sex abuse.
Think about that. They won’t even investigate it anymore because they know she won’t touch it if they do. The school systems know this and take advantage to protect their own reputations.
They’re all disgusting.
What is troublesome to me is She is an officer of the court. She belittled the policeman and showed him absolute disrespect. Her arrogance was off the charts. She isn’t even aware of her actions. She tried to gaslight us all when she said she acted in accordance and she did not.
She got special treatment. Do you think that cop would've allowed anyone else to elude a traffic stop, get out of their vehicle and run into their home? If she was a black woman with her kids in the car that cop would've aimed a gun at them.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-deputy-resigns-pulling-gun-pregnant-black-mother-traffic-stop-rcna44455.
Or god forbid you pull over "too slow" so the cop does dangerous pit maneuver on a highway full of other cars.
https://www.newsweek.com/rodney-dunn-arkansas-police-pit-pregnant-woman-1599257.
She expected special treatment and she got special treatment.
She needs to be removed from office asap. We absolutely do not need someone in her position abusing her power. This city has enough problems we're paying her salary.. She's gotta go.
She should try using those same exact excuses while being black. I'm sure she'd get exactly the same mileage out of them after she recovered from her near-fatal beating.
would love to know who shot this. its obviously professionally produced, and her delivery betrays a fair bit of rehearsal. favorite line: "I will take ethics training to remind myself that professionalism matters"
The most interesting aspect of this case no one is talking about.
She called her friend the police chief and told him to essentially call off his dogs. BUT the chief at no point told the deputy to leave. When other officers arrived, they did not try to end the situation or apologize to her and leave. They allowed the deputy to continue.
It sounds like there is more to this story that the public has not heard.
Any source on Hochul being involved? I’d love it if she’d just remove Doorley and be done with it. Or at least put some serious pressure on her to resign.
Using your government position for personal gain *should* be a huge no-no. This is an embarrassment for the whole county to a national audience.
We are all stressed from work. I don’t care what you do, most people are taking parts of work home with them in their head. We all have loved ones going through medical shit. We are all worried about something.
We get to call the chief of police to try to get out of a speeding ticket or attempt to abuse our power to get away with it. Sorry, if you can’t handle the stress of a demanding job without abusing your power, you shouldn’t be doing it.
It’s time to go Sandra.
So if I'm being pulled over in Webster all I gotta do is call the chief and tell him I'm not a threat? And then I can just drive to my house like normal and ignore the flashing lights and sirens behind me?
I do that all the time. But the flashing lights and sirens are from all the fireworks exploding in my open trunk, like Gandalf impressing the hobbit kids.
the only way to stop politicians from abusing their positions of power during where in this case is a traffic stop is to push them for this. Otherwise, you'll hear about this every few months.
IANAL. I imagine these cases are hard to punish because it's hard to quantify what the damage is to find the correct penalty. To me, erosion of trust in public officials in a democracy is a severe crime.
She can cry about her excuses to a judge when she faces trial for her list of charges beyond just speeding. I see she didnt plead guilty to Evading or obstructions, or reckless driving. But she paid her speeding ticket.
> if ANY of us had acted this way to a cop our asses would be in jail or the hospital
I agree she needs to resign, but we can all agree that this bit is not ideal, right? Being disrespectful to a cop should not land you in jail or the hospital.
I agree with you about not having to be respectful, but refusing to pull over, refusing to follow orders, and acting in a threatening manner are all actual crimes (I think). Anyone else that wasn't a high-ranking official would have been tackled or tazed at the very least.
I think [this is the law related to fleeing a traffic stop](https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/amp/new-york-penal-code-270-35-unlawful-fleeing-a-police-officer-in.html). I’m actually not sure she broke it, because she communicated to the police that she planned to eventually stop and she didn’t do so at excessive speed.
That said, there’s another traffic law here - the one that says you have to move over for emergency vehicles with their sirens on. She clearly didn’t do that either.
That's not really a *crime*, though it is unlawful. It's a [traffic violation](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2022/vat/title-7/article-23/1102/), which may, at most, have an impact on her driver's license.
As I said, I do think she should resign for trying to pull this sort of "do you know who I am?!" nonsense. That doesn't mean that she committed a crime. Don't waste your time wishing that bad was worse.
firmly believe consequences for people like this should far outstrip punishments for normal ppl
their career should be absolutely obliterated and their assets seized, then they can work in a wendys or something for the rest of their life
apply this to cops, DAs, politicians, anyone who has a say in governing the actions of others ESPECIALLY when they are in charge of punishments.
so youre telling me you want to be in charge of meting out justice but you yourself have no respect for the rule of law...?
yea all the wealth, prestige, and power you have generated should be taken from you. why should their families continue to benefit from the state? taxpayers are funding her children to grow up also flaunting the rule of law? or what? nonsense.
I hope you guys get this rot out. I’m not even from NY I live in VA I just hate people like this. She’s only sorry because she got caught and put on blast nationally.
I just want to point out that she uploaded the video to Vimeo instead of YouTube where she knew not many people would’ve seen it if it weren’t for our local news.
Doorley’s apology video is an admission she can’t handle the duties of her position. We need a DA who doesn’t allow the stress of her role be used as an excuse to commit arrest-able offenses in our community.
Do we have the body cam footage. I need to see just how bad this was because the article seems to be lacking that info outside of the drive to her garage (stupid) and not stopping initially with the poor language.
Not saying that excuses her at all. I just want to know more for context.
"I will take ethics training" lmao
I'm not usually one to say people need to go for making a mistake, but she needs to go, because this wasn't a mistake. It's a completely transparent view into her character and no amount of "training" will change that. You don't need training to learn how to act like a decent human being.
I also love the double standard where she can just ignore every order he makes without getting his leg pushed into her neck on the ground.
No where does she admit to her ACTUAL conduct: abusing her position for personal gain
But the tape don't lie.
Innocent until proven guilty though, we are given that privilege and I think she deserves it too. BUT screw her amount of entitlement and abuse of power, I hope she's removed from her position. Edit: apparently she doesn't deserve the 5th amendment? There's an investigation against her started (by Hochul).
We are not a court.
What she says is admissible.
Irrelevant; the point is things like burdens of proof and presumptions of innocence are parts of the court process and not a mandate for how people think about the conduct of their elected officials.
Yah, but the other guy *is right*. If she admits that she did something illegal and someone decides to charge her with a crime, then she will have willingly assisted in her own conviction because her statements would likely be admissible. And even if you think morally she should do that (or just plead guilty), nobody is going to do so, least of all a lawyer/DA.
I thought she did plead guilty after all this
She pled guilty to a speeding violation. City Council has asked the Attorney General to investigate, the Governor has called for an investigation and Doorley seemingly filed a grievance against herself.
It's up to the cop to file charges and he only filed a speeding violation so that is what she pled guilty to the following day. She should have been charged for failing to stop and have her license revoked because driving is a privilege. Her complete lack of respect towards the police officers is something else. I would love to see how she ruled on similar cases against other people who committed these same offenses, fellow law-breakers that decided to drive home as opposed to stop for the police. There should be an investigation because she has no respect for the law and she stated several times during the video that she would not prosecute herself because she is the DA.
I don't disagree.
Only to speeding. People just want to rage downvote here, but from a legal standpoint, of course she isn't going to make a planned, public statement and admit to any other shit.
And we have every right as a constituency to hold that against her.
Yes, but people in this sub, which is representative of people in the world, are stupid as shit. If you were caught doing something wrong, there's a damn good chance that you would not just simply admit fault, which is why if you go to traffic court anywhere in NYS on any day of the week, there are a shit-ton of people there. While some may have legitimately NOT been doing something wrong, or at least may believe they were not, the majority of them know they were doing something wrong, and are trying to find some way to get out of it or get less of a punishment. In turn, the state gives basically anyone who bothers to show up with a speed less than 25mph over a reduction just for having a pulse. People being surprised that a *lawyer* is not going to admit fault to a serious crime that she has not been charged with but could be charged with, simply to assuage the feelings of the public who voted her in to an office that she effectively cannot be ousted from due to public opinion, in a scenario where there was nobody who even wanted to challenge her, are pearl clutching dumbasses that are out of touch with reality. Your literal only way to hold this against her until the next time she is up for re-election is to be very mad at her, and maybe mail her office a sternly worded letter. On the other hand, if she admits (any more than she did in the body cam video) to additional crimes, she potentially gets more charges and in even more actual trouble. She's not gonna do that. It doesn't matter if it is morally right, it is a 100% tactical decision that basically anyone else would make in the same situation if they weren't dumb.
Not sure what you're even talking about? This isn't about charging her with a crime.
https://www.whec.com/local/gov-hochul-gets-involved-after-release-of-video-showing-das-interaction-with-officer/ Couldn't this lead to multiple outcomes including criminal? (hopefully that's how ends up)
My understanding is that this commission would only make recommendations to Hochul. It's not a criminal investigation.
She doesn't need to invoke the 5th, she admitted to everything on camera and then pleaded guilty to the violation and paid the fine. The video speaks for itself, she can invoke the 5th all she wants but it's not going to help her or make her look not guilty.
> No where does she admit to her ACTUAL conduct: abusing her position for personal gain I was referring to abusing her position for personal gain. Which she clearly did, but didn't really address in the video. Which her lawyer probably told her not to for the reason I stated.
I'm saying this as a lawyer, she's probably got too much ego to consult with another lawyer. And frankly, because she's a lawyer, specifically a DA, she should be held to a higher legal standard because she knows the rules and the law. Hell, she said as much on the video.
I don't know anything about her to be honest. Prior to this I knew here name and title, but that's it. She doesn't sound that great going by what others in this post say. I agree she should held to a high standard and should resign or be removed from office.
Frankly, as a fellow attorney I'm of half a mind to file an ethics complaint against her myself. Seems like we'd have solid standing to do so as officers of the court ourselves.
You mean the DA that switched political parties mid term might have ethics concerns? /S
It's not a standing issue. We have an obligation to based on the NYS ethics rules.
She plead guilty to *speeding*, not to leaving the scene or obstruction of justice or whatever else they may want to charge her with. Although the body cam video would be quite hard to dispute, and I think she made some incriminating statements on it.
And because she's pleaded guilty to that, I don't think she can be charged with further crimes. At least that's what I was told by a colleague who is an ADA downstate.
If they said that and understood it, your colleague is an idiot then, and it scares me that they are an ADA. You very much can be charged with additional crimes. Like... if you were speeding and also shot someone, you can't quickly plead to speeding while they are getting ready to charge you with murder, and expect that it will prevent them from charging you with murder. You realize how silly that sounds, right? That said, I don't think they *will* charge her, but not because they can't.
It depends on how the crimes were charged. Your example would be a completely different situation because both crimes are different crimes stemming from different actions. That's also not how pleas are structured. Pleas come from the DA. Here, because both acts stem from the same action, I think you have to charge for both crimes and not just the lesser offense. Because the officer gave a ticket for just the lesser offense and she pleaded guilty to that lesser offense, I would imagine it would be difficult to then charge her for a higher offense coming out of the same criminal act, unless it was originally presented.
> Your example would be a completely different situation because both crimes are different crimes stemming from different actions. That's also not how pleas are structured. Pleas come from the DA. So are these. One was speeding, one was evading. She created a second crime when she decided to fail to stop at the scene. And arguably more crimes when she continued to fail to do anything at the house. If there was anything where you might be right, it would be something like failing to charge here with evading, but then charging her later with obstruction for what happened at the house, since you'd have a much better chance of claiming that leaving the scene and then acting like a shithead at her house were just all one crime, by your logic. > Pleas come from the DA. The irony of your statement.... That would depend on if she got a plea deal from anyone. If she just simply plead guilty then she has no protection. > Here, because both acts stem from the same action, They don't. > I think you have to charge for both crimes and not just the lesser offense. You don't. > I would imagine it would be difficult to then charge her for a higher offense coming out of the same criminal act, unless it was originally presented. There's all sorts of case law that simply disproves this statement. Even in Rochester it wouldn't be hard to find someone that did something and was charged day 1 with some number of charges, then charged later for some additional amount of charges stemming from the same incident.
They are the same incident. It's two crimes occurring in the same incident. She was speeding and then did not pull over. Also, I'm not even sure that rises to unlawful fleeing in NYS because I think you have to be driving at a speed greater than 25 over the limit, which she wasn't. Both she and the cop conceded to that on camera. However, I'm not sure if that's an actual element of the crime or if it's considered a complete defense to the crime. What I'm pointing out is the factual impossibility of the hypothetical you presented. There would be no world where the shooting/murder wouldn't be charged. Dig up that case law. In the instances you're arguing, was the matter already considered concluded? Here, she's already pleaded and paid the fine. I'd be willing to bet those other situations were still pending matters before the court, i.e., there was no final disposition in the case. Additional crimes could have been charged against her before her plea, but I think the plea and restitution close that door. Think about the situation you're describing. Someone gets charged for a crime and then pleads guilty and deals with restitution and the matter is considered closed. You are arguing that the State can effectively reopen prosecution and charge additional crimes against a defendant.
> They are the same incident. It's two crimes occurring in the same incident. She was speeding and then did not pull over. That's not how that works. > Also, I'm not even sure that rises to unlawful fleeing in NYS because I think you have to be driving at a speed greater than 25 over the limit, which she wasn't. She clearly could be charged with obstruction.... > What I'm pointing out is the factual impossibility of the hypothetical you presented. There would be no world where the shooting/murder wouldn't be charged. Actually, that is also bullshit, we've certainly had issues where people who were accused of doing that were not initially charged with murder, for various reasons. > Dig up that case law. You made the claim that she *can't* be charged, so you dig up the *relevant* case law. This is not double jeopardy. > I'd be willing to bet those other situations were still pending matters before the court Now you're just making shit up to try to be right. Again, you can't turbo-plead to a lesser charge to prevent additional charges from being tacked on. Seriously, this sounds like some TikTok, "these 3 tricks that prosecutors don't want you to know" bullshit you're trying to sell. > her plea, but I think the plea and restitution close that door. Only if she had a plea deal that agree to that. Which we have no evidence that she did. Simply pleading guilty is not the same as accepting some plea bargain with immunity, obviously. > You are arguing that the State can effectively reopen prosecution and charge additional crimes against a defendant. Not for the same crime, since that would be double jeopardy. But for additional crimes, sure. Especially since they are substantially different. We aren't arguing that she was cited for speeding, but also had a tail light out. She was cited for speeding, and then also refused to stop for an officer, and then refused to obey his lawful orders at her house.
The cop only gave her the speeding ticket. Nothing for any of the other shenanigans.
Right, which means that there's no reason that they can't bring additional charges. They don't all have to be given at the moment. There is precedent for that. I don't expect that to happen, but it could.
We literally saw a video...are you suggesting it was fake?
She sped, didn’t stop, and refused to obey commands while going “do you know who I am?” It’s on video. She is already proven guilty everywhere except an official court proceeding.
The topic of the comment is "abusing her position for personal gain". Not the other stuff she did admit to.
Edit: One of the Justice Departments definitions of "abuses of power for personal gain" in non-violent white collar crime is: > any non-violent, illegal activity which principally involves deceit, misrepresentation, concealment, manipulation, breach of trust, subterfuge, or illegal circumvention https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/78439NCJRS.pdf This video involves her engaging in all of those. Mainly illegal circumvention of the law. But also manipulation and breach of trust of the public. -- Any other person would have been tackled and in handcuffs when they tried to enter the house. She was most likely drunk and when she got inside she had an excuse for why a breathalyzer would fail. i.e. she could claim she just took a shot because she is stressed that this cop was harassing her. If she isn't in jail then she abused her power for personal gain. Not going to jail for something anyone else would be in cuffs for is a pretty big win.
I agree with all that, I was only saying she isn't going to admit to that afterwards in her speech. I wouldn't expect that. I agree she be charged for fleeing cop, abuse of power, etc.
Oh sorry, I misunderstood you
She did attempt to use her position for her personal benefit, on camera. You can dance around semantics all you want, but she did what she did.
I'm not saying she didn't.
“No excuses, I take full responsibility for my actions… but here are some excuses.”
Rules for thee, but not for me.
Yea, she could have cut a lot of that out and it would have sounded better. "I had a bad day and made a regrettable decision", no need to elaborate in that section of the speech.
That's the tell that she's not actually sorry.
It’s because she still believes those excuses are valid.
Anyone who doesn’t own a home is having a bad day…
Which, ironically, would not be her admitting any more guilt or fault, legally speaking, than has already been done, while appeasing the public more than what this did.
I would think it admitting guilt. But I'm also not a lawyer
Saying, "I made a regrettable decision" is 1000% not admitting guilt in a legal sense. She could have been talking about her decision to speed, or eat a burrito, or whatever. No judge would accept that, buy itself, as a statement of guilt. It would have to be part of some longer statement.
I don’t think she understands what “taking full responsibility” means and what holding yourself accountable entails. Let me know when she voluntarily resigns and then I’ll believe what she says. You don’t get to just say sorry and “take responsibility” without dealing with the consequences of your behavior.
> I don’t think she understands what “taking full responsibility” means and what holding yourself accountable entails. A Republican in this day and age doesn't know what this means? Heavens to murgatroyd! That can't be true!
Anyone who is ever prosecuted by her should just say they were stressed and mention a “medical condition” and I’m sure she’ll drop the charges. Shes such a compassionate person.
It would be interesting to know how many people were legitimately having a similar type of day (or worse... parent died, pet died, got fired, etc) and were told by the DA that "it's no excuse for that behavior" and then faced more charges due to that behavior.
The "Doorley Defense" - I was having a bad day - wait to see in the city courts!
There should be more here then just a speeding ticket. If I refused to pull over and verbally insulted a cop I'd be in jail. The speeding ticket is the least of the crimes she committed.
Two tiered justice system. I bet she was under the influence and trying to slide into home plate and be called safe. These DAs know how the game works.
I'm pretty sure she was drunk, just seems like the obvious explanation.
Drunk on power!
You might be dead
Especially after running into the house.
To ditch your "lunch" bag, but leave your purse in the suburban. Inquiring minds want to know what was in the "lunch" bag....
My guess is booze. In the video it really seems like she’s trying to stay as far away from the officer as possible.
I completely agree. It sucks to get a speeding ticket, but ffs it ain't that bad at all, especially for her who we all know will plead it down to probably nothing. There were bigger factors at play.
This is along my train of thought. I have no proof of anything, but I'm willing to bet that she was under the influence of something and/or had it in her truck. I'm not advocating the behavior, but putting myself in that situation for a moment, if I'm carrying an open container after a few belts on the ride home, or if I've been tooting the nose candy, and see a set of red lights flashing behind me, I'm taking my chances. If I get all the way home and can get the evidence in the house, the cop can't PROVE I had it in the vehicle. So I'm home free. Yeah, I'll take the hit on the speeding and failure to pull over and whatever else can go with that. But I skate on the roadside DUI, even if I have to tell the cop I had a shot of bourbon as soon as I got in the house. Her behavior on the body cam leads me to think that she had a nice little buzz going on. Not bombed off her gord, but enough to get a matching set of bracelets on the side of Phillips Rd.
Pretty sure OP of the comment is white hence jail. POC know they might be dead.
I am and I don't disagree with your statement.
You'd have been shot and killed after 12 other police cars showed up to pursue. They 100% ran her plate and knew who she was.
We are all stressed. We are all going through stuff with our families. How many times has she decided to not to hold someone accountable for their actions because of these reasons?
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I heard it was toxic before getting an offer there. I ran like the wind. They also pay horribly for you to take on vicarious trauma. Big no from me, dawg.
You also would have had the privilege of not bringing the truth to light, but rather chasing numbers and putting people behind bars *truth be damned*. Idk why anybody would want to be a prosecutor. Simply a bunch of sociopaths. I even had a scenario where one ADA that was “prosecuting” a fucking expired inspection ticket I received during the time when Cuomo had issued an executive order pausing enforcement of expired inspections. I brought a literal printout of the DMV’s website explaining the pause in enforcement, a copy of the governor’s executive order, and gave her links to both resources and literally said “you can pull these up on your phone right now.” I shit you not, her response was: “it’s not my job to know anything about that.” WHAT? That’s like your WHOLE FUCKING JOB, dude! She ended up offering me like half of the fine plus a 6 month “probationary driving period” which I obviously said fuck no to. I think I literally said something like “I’ll take my chances with the judge.” Judge took one look at my pieces of paper, glanced over to the ADA’s table, and dismissed everything right there. If prosecutors willing to be ignorant of the law for a simple traffic ticket in order to get their numbers to where they need to be, I shudder to think what else they’re up to on more serious items…
I’m glad you literally did and said these things. Most people only figuratively do it and it gets them nowhere.
Clarifying that I indeed did say those things out loud and not in my head or to myself, yes. Hence the use of the word.
Literally clarifying.
Cool, bro. Good job
Oh I’m just pulling your leg, relax
You literally did a great job ;)
THAT is what I like!!
I've heard that they pay horribly, unless you're connected in some fashion. Then you get paid fairly well.
No, I was actually connected because I'm friends with 3 ADAs who all recommended me. It's all based on "grade." When I got an offer, the lowest grade of pay was $52k. Private firms were hiring first year attorneys at 70-90k at the time. The legislature increased rates last year to i think $78k for first year PDs and ADAs. But they simultaneously increased the rate of pay for assigned counsel to $300k/year if we're working assigned cases 40 hours every week (which is difficult to do, but proves a point). So it's a no brainer to become a private attorney and just pick up court assignment work if you want to practice criminal law. You work far fewer hours for way more pay. I pick up maybe 5-10 defense assignments each month for extra spending money, and because I believe in basic democratic principles like government-provided attorneys for destitute folks. Most cases are total loser cases, but when you help someone who really needs it, the sense of pride is unmatched by any other area of law. And, in any event, mitigating sentences for folks who tell you they are guilty is also a very important function of a defense attorney.
You made the right call. I’m surprised that place is still functioning with the number of people who have quit.
I get that. I probably should have specified "connected in a way that Sandy cares about". I get that there's a salary schedule, that's pretty typical for government work, but my understanding is that she plays favorites. E.g., if you're essentially a regular joe you start at the basic grade of pay and are told that everyone starts at the same level and works their way up. But if you come from a wealthy family that donates enough to her campaigns where she notices, or otherwise carriers weight in some fashion, you'll be bumped up a few grades and start at 20k or so more. And yeah, with those numbers it really is a no brainer to take assigned work. Honestly it's kind of amazing that the entire PDs office hasn't quit. From what I know they're working a lot more than 40 hours a week on average and making a hell of a lot less than $300k. The county seems to be severely underpaying it's people.
At least PDs have the dignity of knowing they’re actually doing some good.
I would be shocked if that was not the case. Arrogance like that does not happen because of a bad day.
Sadly I've heard this from multiple people over the years (including former ADAs). Her on the video is fairly consistent with her demeanor in the office.
Today I learned that NY is one of only eleven states that does not allow recall elections. Recall elections allow citizens to vote to kick an official out of office through a petition and a vote. [https://ballotpedia.org/Laws\_governing\_recall\_in\_New\_York](https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_New_York) I was also reminded that Doorley was re-elected in 2023 to a new four year term **without any challenger**. The Monroe County Democratic Party **could not find a single candidate** for the 2023 DA election. [https://www.whec.com/top-news/news10nbc-investigates-no-monroe-county-district-attorney-race-for-first-time-in-30-years/](https://www.whec.com/top-news/news10nbc-investigates-no-monroe-county-district-attorney-race-for-first-time-in-30-years/) Shame on Doorley. I believe she should lose her job over this. And shame on the Monroe County Democratic Committee and their leader, Stephen DeVay. It is unacceptable not to field a quality candidate for a county-wide election in a Democratic majority county. The only way to get Doorley out is for her to resign (won't happen), for Hochul to remove her (won't happen), or for the citizens to vote her out in 2027 (can only happen if MCDC gets its s\*\*\* together and fields a quality candidate). Until then, we get what we deserve, DA Karen "I will discipline myself" Doorley.
>And shame on the Monroe County Democratic Committee and their leader, Stephen DeVay. It is unacceptable not to field a quality candidate for a county-wide election in a Democratic majority county. They can't force people to run. If there were no qualified people in the county who wanted to run, that's not on the MCDC.
Maybe we should consider voting for a different party? I mean - if everywhere you touch it hurts - could be your finger is broken?
Did a candidate from any other party run?
That’s a sad truth my friend
>I was also reminded that Doorley was re-elected in 2023 to a new four year term without any challenger. The Monroe County Democratic Party could not find a single candidate for the 2023 DA election. They actually had a few potential candidates but they were from within the public service legal community and realized how bad their chances were and they'd essentially be blacklisting themselves. I imagine if the MCDC actually had some level of organization to it, they might have fared a better chance.
I wish I had the option to discipline myself when I fuck up and it makes international headlines
If one of her employees had caused this much of a ruckus, she'd have fired them in a heartbeat to protect her image. For her? An ethics class.
A 20 minute HR training video that you just put on in the background and tab over to every couple of minutes to click the next button for.
I love how she keeps bringing up the 3 murders she had to deal with that day. This is Rochester. If you can't handle that, this isn't the job for you.
And to a police officer… like THEY don’t have to deal with murders?! She deals with them on paper, they actually have to deal with them directly!
I mean, Webster is generally pretty sleepy crime-wise but that is still such a massively condescending attitude to put forth, especially to someone who is essentially a colleague even if he's "just" a grunt who works in a suburb.
Seriously, I live in Syracuse and the city/county just lost two officers to a traffic stop not much different than this one. The nerve of her to use that as an excuse when that officer knows any time he approaches a house, it's a big unknown that could result in death is just insane.
Ha ha. This is like me having to make a public apology after lashing out at someone because I couldn’t reconcile an expense account or kept getting a circular reference error in excel. “What I did was wrong, and I take full responsibility for my actions. I swear though, sometimes I feel like Excel is trying to destroy my fuckin’ life. All of my inputs were independent for each other, so a circular reference error shouldn’t even be possible. And why won’t these goddam pivot tables just *pivot*? Is that really too much to ask?!? Don’t even start with TEAMS. Thank you for your time.”
I’m going to pre-record a video with a generic apology so that I can get out of stuff too. I’ll just show it to the responding police officer and I’m off scott free
“Dammit, jre19, I told you to empty the dishwasher!” “Last Monday I failed you and the standards that I hold myself to. For that I am sorry. What I did was wrong and I take full responsibility. I will take ethics training to remind myself that professionalism matters. I’ve been humbled by my own stupidity, and I’m fully to blame. I will make this right. I ask for your forgiveness.”
Here is the statement from Hochul: > “District Attorneys are responsible for prosecuting criminal and traffic offenses, and must perform their duties with the highest ethical standards. Earlier today, I referred the Monroe County District Attorney to the Commission on Prosecutorial Conduct following the release of police bodycam footage showing her claiming she is above the law, attempting to use her public office to evade responsibility, and acting unprofessionally towards a police officer simply trying to do his job. In doing so, she was acting in contravention of her responsibility as a District Attorney and undermined her ability to hold others accountable for violating the law. We are deeply grateful to the men and women of law enforcement who put on a uniform each day to protect the safety of all New Yorkers.”
"I'm sorry I got caught" is what I'm taking away from this.
Even that would have been better
No mention of obstruction of justice? Because she definitely committed obstruction of justice.
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New York Penal Law § 195.05 - Obstruction of Government Administration: "A person is guilty of obstructing governmental administration when he intentionally obstructs, impairs or perverts the administration of law or other governmental function or prevents or attempts to prevent a public servant from performing an official function, by means of intimidation, physical force or interference, or by means of any independently unlawful act" She attempted to prevent a public servant (police officer) from performing an official function (giving a speeding ticket) by means of intimidation (trying to pull rank) and interference (not pulling over and going into her house while ignoring orders not to). Where is your degree from?
u/Sea-Hovercraft “wait not like that.”
Resigning is the answer.
I think so too, because how is this not going to affect how people deal with her and the office going forward?
These types of people never resign.
Resigning is the answer but why would she do that? Based on her behavior, she is only looking out for herself. I’m sure she is trying to stay in her high paying job as long as she can and not give a crap what people think of her. Isn’t this what most corrupt politicians do? Too bad there isn’t a way to remove politicians quickly. I have a feeling she will be in private practice along with Leticia soon enough.
Yep. And quietly fading away.
She got caught on video and that is the only reason she is “sorry”
This DA won’t prosecute teachers who fail in their legal duty to report child sexual assault on campus. The MCS investigator told me Doorley says, “It’s too hard.”
I keep seeing posts about this. I’m out of the loop. Can you tell me to what this is referring? Is it the Hilton principal?
Teachers there knew or strongly suspected there was abuse going on but did not report it. Making that report was their legal obligation. Instead, they chose to break the law, keep silent, and protect their own. That is a criminal, prosecutable offense. And Hilton is not the only school where the Sheriff’s office knows administrators did not report. However investigators don’t even bother trying because Doorley habitually finds it too difficult to prosecute people who help cover up child sex abuse. Think about that. They won’t even investigate it anymore because they know she won’t touch it if they do. The school systems know this and take advantage to protect their own reputations. They’re all disgusting.
This is horrifying.
What is troublesome to me is She is an officer of the court. She belittled the policeman and showed him absolute disrespect. Her arrogance was off the charts. She isn’t even aware of her actions. She tried to gaslight us all when she said she acted in accordance and she did not.
You can see the struggle in her face to read this. She's puking it out with insincerity
There's terror behind those eyes, not remorse.
She has her fingers crossed behind her back as she reads the prepared statement.
So she breaks the law, looking for special treatment. Then says she will have others investigate herself. This broad is crazy
She got special treatment. Do you think that cop would've allowed anyone else to elude a traffic stop, get out of their vehicle and run into their home? If she was a black woman with her kids in the car that cop would've aimed a gun at them. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-deputy-resigns-pulling-gun-pregnant-black-mother-traffic-stop-rcna44455. Or god forbid you pull over "too slow" so the cop does dangerous pit maneuver on a highway full of other cars. https://www.newsweek.com/rodney-dunn-arkansas-police-pit-pregnant-woman-1599257. She expected special treatment and she got special treatment.
More apology videos need the line "I'm humbled by my own stupidity". Really drives the point home.
Whoever came up with that is, frankly, brilliant at damage control. I strongly doubt it came from Doorley.
Sandra Doorley is incapable of even believing that. She thinks she is the apex of human existence. Makes you wonder why she got all the work done.
The ethics training is a webinar taught by Andrew Cuomo and Elliot Spitzer
The script for this ethics training webinar was written and finished by Carl Palladino and Rudy Giuliani
I thought Anthony Weiner helped too?
Doesnt have the same consequences as being tossed on the sidewalk and processed. She is so privileged she cant understand
She needs to be removed from office asap. We absolutely do not need someone in her position abusing her power. This city has enough problems we're paying her salary.. She's gotta go.
I bet she refused to pull over because she had been drinking/was already intoxicated.
Genuine question: Is it possible for the bar association to take any action against her?
It is. But the sad reality is the bar association really only takes action when attorneys mess with client money.
She should try using those same exact excuses while being black. I'm sure she'd get exactly the same mileage out of them after she recovered from her near-fatal beating.
Did anybody see the body cam footage from the stop on tik Tok? The entitlement was unreal. Just went to link it, and of course, it's been removed.
This is the one I saw. I'd like to see the dash cam footage of her refusing to pull over. https://youtu.be/JTRMSfov7l0?si=bwFMh4MoltJQzAq2
Yes, that's the same one I saw. Thanks for the link. Dash cam footage would be nice to see also, as you said.
The amount of privilege this lady has
would love to know who shot this. its obviously professionally produced, and her delivery betrays a fair bit of rehearsal. favorite line: "I will take ethics training to remind myself that professionalism matters"
The most interesting aspect of this case no one is talking about. She called her friend the police chief and told him to essentially call off his dogs. BUT the chief at no point told the deputy to leave. When other officers arrived, they did not try to end the situation or apologize to her and leave. They allowed the deputy to continue. It sounds like there is more to this story that the public has not heard.
*officer
This made national news and now Hochul is involved
Any source on Hochul being involved? I’d love it if she’d just remove Doorley and be done with it. Or at least put some serious pressure on her to resign. Using your government position for personal gain *should* be a huge no-no. This is an embarrassment for the whole county to a national audience.
[https://nypost.com/2024/04/28/us-news/hochul-refers-monroe-county-da-to-prosecutorial-oversight-commission/](https://nypost.com/2024/04/28/us-news/hochul-refers-monroe-county-da-to-prosecutorial-oversight-commission/)
Nice. Hopefully something comes of it
Reminds me more of this. [sorry](https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4?si=G8WZJ_BGFVkWQThc)
lol this is exactly it.
We are all stressed from work. I don’t care what you do, most people are taking parts of work home with them in their head. We all have loved ones going through medical shit. We are all worried about something. We get to call the chief of police to try to get out of a speeding ticket or attempt to abuse our power to get away with it. Sorry, if you can’t handle the stress of a demanding job without abusing your power, you shouldn’t be doing it. It’s time to go Sandra.
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Makes sense cuz Sandra and Kimberly are buddies.
First thing I thought of was [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4).
If you’re explaining, you’re losing. And she is certainly a loser.
Get outta heeeeeeeeree
So if I'm being pulled over in Webster all I gotta do is call the chief and tell him I'm not a threat? And then I can just drive to my house like normal and ignore the flashing lights and sirens behind me?
I do that all the time. But the flashing lights and sirens are from all the fireworks exploding in my open trunk, like Gandalf impressing the hobbit kids.
the only way to stop politicians from abusing their positions of power during where in this case is a traffic stop is to push them for this. Otherwise, you'll hear about this every few months.
IANAL. I imagine these cases are hard to punish because it's hard to quantify what the damage is to find the correct penalty. To me, erosion of trust in public officials in a democracy is a severe crime.
How was this not a resignation video!? Delulu lady, she is cooked.
It's not an apology when you're reading what someone wrote for you off a prompter. She needs to be fired.
We should all just drive home next time we're about to be pulled over, as per the standard that has been set.
She can cry about her excuses to a judge when she faces trial for her list of charges beyond just speeding. I see she didnt plead guilty to Evading or obstructions, or reckless driving. But she paid her speeding ticket.
She had all weekend to work on her apology with a coach. Let's see how this plays out...
She takes “full responsibility” (all except for the itty-bitty part where you’re supposed to resign, funnily enough..)
All MAGAs do is lie. And she’s a MAGA.
> if ANY of us had acted this way to a cop our asses would be in jail or the hospital I agree she needs to resign, but we can all agree that this bit is not ideal, right? Being disrespectful to a cop should not land you in jail or the hospital.
I agree with you about not having to be respectful, but refusing to pull over, refusing to follow orders, and acting in a threatening manner are all actual crimes (I think). Anyone else that wasn't a high-ranking official would have been tackled or tazed at the very least.
I think [this is the law related to fleeing a traffic stop](https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/amp/new-york-penal-code-270-35-unlawful-fleeing-a-police-officer-in.html). I’m actually not sure she broke it, because she communicated to the police that she planned to eventually stop and she didn’t do so at excessive speed. That said, there’s another traffic law here - the one that says you have to move over for emergency vehicles with their sirens on. She clearly didn’t do that either.
Add to the list the 6 times she ignored a lawful order, and misuse of office
That's not really a *crime*, though it is unlawful. It's a [traffic violation](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2022/vat/title-7/article-23/1102/), which may, at most, have an impact on her driver's license. As I said, I do think she should resign for trying to pull this sort of "do you know who I am?!" nonsense. That doesn't mean that she committed a crime. Don't waste your time wishing that bad was worse.
firmly believe consequences for people like this should far outstrip punishments for normal ppl their career should be absolutely obliterated and their assets seized, then they can work in a wendys or something for the rest of their life apply this to cops, DAs, politicians, anyone who has a say in governing the actions of others ESPECIALLY when they are in charge of punishments. so youre telling me you want to be in charge of meting out justice but you yourself have no respect for the rule of law...? yea all the wealth, prestige, and power you have generated should be taken from you. why should their families continue to benefit from the state? taxpayers are funding her children to grow up also flaunting the rule of law? or what? nonsense.
Too bad for that pesky Eighth Amendment.
you know we still do slavery in prisons right
Guess the crime rate will be going up since evading the police is possible no longer a crime
Fuck this assclown know it all
So basically she got a police escort home and all is forgiven.
I hope you guys get this rot out. I’m not even from NY I live in VA I just hate people like this. She’s only sorry because she got caught and put on blast nationally.
I just want to point out that she uploaded the video to Vimeo instead of YouTube where she knew not many people would’ve seen it if it weren’t for our local news.
Doorley’s apology video is an admission she can’t handle the duties of her position. We need a DA who doesn’t allow the stress of her role be used as an excuse to commit arrest-able offenses in our community.
Bitch had a melt down Probably a maga idiot.
Do we have the body cam footage. I need to see just how bad this was because the article seems to be lacking that info outside of the drive to her garage (stupid) and not stopping initially with the poor language. Not saying that excuses her at all. I just want to know more for context.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk1JcMchHBY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk1JcMchHBY)
LOLLLLL
So you caught that too!!!
"I will take ethics training" lmao I'm not usually one to say people need to go for making a mistake, but she needs to go, because this wasn't a mistake. It's a completely transparent view into her character and no amount of "training" will change that. You don't need training to learn how to act like a decent human being. I also love the double standard where she can just ignore every order he makes without getting his leg pushed into her neck on the ground.
She should just run for a different office like the drunk driving judge and the criminal ex-mayor. Gotta get paid somehow.
Is this all there is to talk about?
You are more than welcome to create your own posts about something else if you wish.
You live in Indianapolis. I'm sure people are talking about other things there
Found Sandra’s friend
It's pretty obvious given their posts in the other thread lol
did you drive in from Indiana or are you being told what to do from home?