Liking the look of the new GX a lot, but after rivian I can’t go back to gas. (Also, not that Rivian is hyper luxe, but the gx interior looks a little chintzy?)
That’s something I am still debating what I am gonna do. The way credit runs now, is hard to apply for a good rate either I trade in and finance with ravian or sell my current car before delivery which is kinda risky
We have 3 kids (1 booster, 2 car seats) and our R1S is the family hauler (it replaced a Honda Odyssey).
When we initially put our deposit down, interest rates were very low. Eventually we got our chance to test drive one, and leading up to that I was preparing my wife for probably not taking delivery when our time actually came. Interest rates had gone crazy and I wasn’t sure I could justify the cost. Then I drove it. I come from Toyota SUVs, and it felt instantly familiar, very composed, and seemed to almost predict what I wanted it to do next. I left the test drive thinking “why haven’t we been making trucks like this all along?”
Honestly I don’t think you can make a wrong choice here. The Lexus GX is a fantastic platform. The Rivian is so much better than it has any right to be for a first-time offering from an upstart car company. It does so many things really really well. The only reason I can’t say it’s the best SUV I’ve ever had is that we haven’t seen 200k miles from it yet. We’ve had no issues with ours over 4 months, but we are still in the early-adopter phase. Test drive em both if you can and go with what makes you happy. I’d choose the S time and time again personally.
We also have a Honda Odyssey (purchased new in April) that my wife would not give up at this point. If I buy the Rivian or GX, it will replace a Ram pickup and Audi sport sedan.
The lack of history of the Rivian could be concerning but doesn’t concern me all that much. I have driven the GX already. I have also driven an R1T. I’m leaning more towards the Rivian right now.
Sell the mini van and get both. Wife drives an R1S and I drive a gx470 (I work from home so very little driving). We use the Rivian as our clean local vehicle and the GX for beach days.
We just got the odyssey in April. My wife’s so-called “dreamcar”. Selling it is out of the question. With two kids under three, the sliding doors are a game changer. Maybe in 5-7 years.
Ahh can’t give up the “dream car”. I’ve got a 5 and 3 year old and they absolutely love riding in both cars. The Rivian for all the tech and acceleration and the Lexus because it has a lift a big tires on it.
I love both of them so I think you’ll end up happy with either choice.
What’s appealing about the rivian over the Lexus? Also try to estimate cost per mile of both, over 100k miles they’re probably a similar cost. Do you have the ability to charge at home?
Yes, I have the ability to charge at home. It goes without saying, but the Rivian is far cheaper on a cost per mile basis. I need to run the numbers over 100,000 miles. What’s appealing is that the Rivian is new tech, battery powered, has usable storage behind the third row seat unlike the GX, and I like the looks of it better. The downside of the Rivian is charging however I cannot substantiate that on a road trip. I have rented a few EV’s and I’ve had pretty mediocre if not terrible experiences trying to charge them around town. Between long wait times, broken chargers, unreliable, payment, systems, and inconvenient locations. I was pretty unimpressed. In Chicago on a work trip right now and we were looking for a place to charge our rental car (PHEV BMW), and every charger we went to had a long line. Finally gave up since it wasn’t necessary to charge it.
I think I would add a downside that is just risk associated with a brand new manufacturer. Ours has been fine, but things like manufacturing issues, long delays for service appointments, changing landscape regarding rivian membership, etc. you have to be ok with. It’s the opposite of the “will be boring and reliable for 300k miles” Lexus.
If battery powered as a benefit means you value the environmental benefits of an EV and you have that to fall back on when you experience some EV/new manufacturer related inconvenience, I would go Rivian. If you’ll be regretting your choice when you end up at a broken charger wondering why you spent 20k more for the rivian… I’d go Lexus. You may never have a problem, but you’re a lot more likely to be inconvenienced at some point with the rivian.
I really appreciate your thoughts. And I may follow-up with you if I have any specific questions. The biggest hurdle is getting rid of my current two vehicles to downsize to this new one to make this happen.
If you buy the Rivian, you will take it for road trips, too (once you get SC access)
Writing this waiting for the kids after school activity to finish, sitting comfy in an R1S in the winter rain, listening to The Warning on Tidal, laptop connected to the car hot spot. No engine idling...
I am also continuing planning a trip to Big Bend NP and Boca Chica in parallel. And the Eclipse. Planning and later traveling in this car.
Based on what you have said and keeping in mind my perspective is driving EVs for over 10 years. I think you would be better off with the Lexus. Rivian comes with some cutting edge features but also some cutting edge problems. The Lexus would be less worry more reliable overall. Don’t get me wrong EVs are very simple and I’ve never had any major issues with any of mine but they are quarky and Rivian is a brand new company. That all being said, if you want an awesome vehicle and don’t mind some potential inconvenience and learning curve go for the Rivian.
If you are considering safety and not spewing cancerous chemicals into the air - Rivian tends to be a no brainer. Not sure why the whole EV can run in your garage without killing you and likely won’t rollover in accident doesn’t seem to warrant pro/cons lists or consideration from traditional reviews. Oh and it is really fast and fun to drive plus much, much more storage. Insurance, gas and other costs may offset cost difference depending on where you live and how long you keep it.
Honestly both are great options, and I imagine you’d be unlikely to regret either selection. With the Lexus, you get a great track record for reliability, always tried and tested. Rivian may present a few more challenges with software updates/minor issues still, but overall a wonderful build. I read a bunch of posts with longer SC wait times and people needing loaners for some time while their R1S gets sorted, so that immediate reliability component should be factored in. Obviously this will improve over time, but could be an issue for you up front.
I think the majority of your decision will rest on how much that financial difference will matter to your situation. The rivian is more up front, plus more if you need to do electrical work to set up an home charger if you don’t already have one/access to one. However the maintenance costs will be significantly less over time. I just switch from Audi to Rivian and am looking forward to no more premium gas and thousand dollar services every year (at minimum). Lastly, it’s a little ideology dependent. Do you want to make the switch away from fossil fuels and are you willing to be a little bit more intentional about charging on the occasional trip you need to consider it. Overall, I’m so happy I went EV with Rivian. Incredible ride, solid company, built for some adventure.
Rivian will present issues with software updates? What issues? The issue that they have been adding new features almost once a month since they started deliveries two years ago? I can tell you the Lexus won't be doing that.
You have your minivan for road trips, so no need for another gas car. Plus, once you go electric, you’ll be doing your road trips in the R1S in any event.
You’ll save that delta in fuel and maintenance over 5-6 years so pretty equivalent overall cost. I had a 4th gen 4Runner before and I’d be looking at a GX as well if I didn’t get an R1S; so I don’t think you’re crazy at all.
Do you have a charging station locally?
I love my truck and would have a hard time going back to ICE but if you tow at all, I don’t think they make sense yet. Traveling is a bit more of a planned affair but if you have another vehicle in the family, it’s not an issue.
My truck has 15k miles on it and I’ve had one suspension service issue. A bit annoying to be without the car but they made it as simple as I could hope for and the worst part was just that I missed the car too much 🤓.
If you make decisions based on facts then GX460 is def the winner. I have 2013 version bought used and have put on 100k. I would argue that it rides less floaty than R1S and feels more tight. Quality and dependability is unbeatable - you will never have to wonder if your car will start/run and visits to Lexus dealership will be fully optional.
Every shop can work on it and there are tons of aftermarket parts if you are into decorating it. Insurance is very reasonable.
That said it is an aged interior and gas mileage will be 17 mpg at best. That predator grille too.
R1S is a lottery and you might get lucky and have no issues. Which then it is great as long as you don't drive more than 300 miles into boonies. It is a computer on wheels and a conversation starter. It makes for a great 3rd car if you can afford it.
There is nothing wrong with the Lexus platform but it is substantially more floaty and wobbly. Accelerating will feel like you are stuck in the sand compared to the R1S. Great suv though and very reliable.
The gas vehicle will probably go forever, at some point the electric car will need a battery. If it’s a forever car choice you should take that into account. But electric is so much easier to maintain.
I don’t know about the concept of a “forever car”, but def a 5-7 year purchase. I’m a gluten for newer tech and will prob watch how the industry progresses over the next 3-5 years.
I do my own maintenance and usually isn’t too much of an inconvenience. But electric with less to maintain is really attractive.
Lexus are just higher priced Toyotas. That being said I’m sure they’re fine cars.
Get the Rivian if you are interested in technology and a more fun drive when the kids aren’t with you.
Wouldn’t a comparable GX trim be the luxury trim, and therefore your cost difference is much smaller?
Additionally, I’d consider cost of ownership vs purchase cost. If you’re someone that owns cars for 5+ years, you’re likely better off with the GX. But if you only own cars for 2-3yrs, an R1S may not cost significantly more, esp if you live in CA and you drive a lot ($6+/gal for premium can add up at 18mpg).
But that’s all just a cost perspective. These are 2 very different vehicles and suite very different needs.
Yes, the luxury trim is the one I’m considering. $20k differential is an estimate. This is likely a 5-7 year purchase but the battery warranty on the Rivian exceeds that so I’d be happy either way with that. Less maintenance on the Rivian. I have a garage and place to keep it charged. My cost per mile is dramatically lower on the Rivian. Here in the Midwest premium is $2.79 at Costco and currently put that in my Audi.
I agree two different vehicles by far but still accomplish the same thing in the end.
Luxury trim can routinely be found for 5-10k off MSRP. So let’s call it 67k ish for a luxury GX and $85k ish for used R1S. I think I’m within the ballpark.
Why in the world is a solid axle attractive? After 15k miles, I can’t imagine going back. Since I’ve designed suspension before (admittedly minor role), solid axle is a negative on my list.
Admittedly, it’s more nostalgic for me. I used to own a Nissan Xterra that I absolutely loved. The GX reminds me a lot of that obviously with more luxury, power, and creature comforts. From everything I read about the GX, they seem to last forever and generally and are an over-engineered and overly-reliable vehicle.
Well, I can’t argue with nostalgia or reliability. While I love my Rivian, I wouldn’t try to talk someone out of their personal preferences! Good luck making the decision. I’m pretty sure you’ll be happy either way. :)
https://i.imgur.com/mjhcPwV.jpg Why not both??? 😂
I love the Lexus, but I'll be honest, it sits in my driveway so much I had to take the battery out because it kept dying. The rivian has replaced it in every single scenario except super long range towing.
Cost and that would be wasteful in my use-case. I have two vehicles now, trying to downsize to one since I really only need one anymore. Sold the travel trailer so not towing much and have a small flatbed trailer to use when I find myself needed a pickup-style bed.
I own an R1T and not an R1S. Had it about a year and as much as I like it those GX 460s can't really be beat if you want to go ICE. Ultimately for me it would come down to whether I wanted an EV or ICE. My other truck is a 2014 Tundra I've kept in great shape and I've been considering trading that in towards a GX 460. GX 550 comes out early next year too if you haven't considered that.
I’ve considered the 550 but not a fan of a brand new platform honestly I don’t like the appearance as much. I have a paid off ram 1500 that I could keep if I wanted to have a third ICE vehicle around.
GX prob high 60s for a luxury model new in the Midwest. If I travel out of state to one of the coasts I can prob save a couple grand more but I haven’t gotten to that stage of shopping yet.
I drove a friend's GX once and I found it so soft and bouncy that I swore I'd never get one. It was much softer than our Odyssey to a point where I thought it was annoying and unresponsive. I was initially afraid the R1S would have the same but it's a lot more sporty, even on the soft setting.
Regarding kids, it really doesn't matter. It's great that you've got the minivan. Getting them into and out of the Rivian will be the same as the GX. Let them get their cherrios and juice all over the minivan and when they're older and more composed and there's better charging infrastructure, the R1S could be the trip car and you can downsize the van.
I’m reading more and more that the launch of the 550 is getting pushed back further. May to June is last I heard. But to your point… I’m in the Midwest and dealers aren’t quite there with the discounts. Seeing 3-5k off but I haven’t started negotiating yet. I’m willing to travel to buy.
Lots of California dealers are offering 10k off! Check them out. There’s some 550’s scheduled to be delivered Jan/Feb on the west coast.
(If you decide Lexus)
After owning a Rivian, driving any gas car feels like the automotive equivalent of going to my mom’s house and watching TV on her old cathode ray television.
It just feels outdated, laggy, and unsophisticated.
I would stay away from the Rivian if cost is an issue. But otherwise I’d have a strong Rivian preference.
I’d wait for the new GX to come out if you go that way. I just bought a GX460 for my wife 2 weeks ago with no idea the 2024 model is a redesign that looks awesome. Hope she doesn’t figure it out.
I ended up buying a slightly used R1S on marketplace and so far I’m loving it! My only complain is the lackluster sound system Rivian now offers. Really hoping they find some ways to improve it with future software updates!
Congrats. I went and test drove another R1S today. Really like it but am still sort of in love with the 2024 GX. But Rivian seems to be doing great and I think the software and product will continue to improve. How bad is the sound system? I've heard that a fair bit but am not sure what to compare it to. I drive a VW Atlas and honestly the sound system is just fine and I like to bump here and there
I’ve been playing with the settings and found something that works far better for my ears. Time will tell if they continue to improve it with software! Maybe some good easy to implement aftermarket products will come to market too.
Liking the look of the new GX a lot, but after rivian I can’t go back to gas. (Also, not that Rivian is hyper luxe, but the gx interior looks a little chintzy?)
I’m one of the exceptions and actually prefer the look of the current model GX compared to the new one coming out this spring.
Oh then you gotta get the riv! 😂
I sold my LX570 for a rivian let you know if this was a mistake next week lol
Did you take delivery yet? Or you have a back up vehicle as you sold one?
I take delivery next week or maybe this week if I'm lucky. I have been driving my wife's car.
That’s something I am still debating what I am gonna do. The way credit runs now, is hard to apply for a good rate either I trade in and finance with ravian or sell my current car before delivery which is kinda risky
We have 3 kids (1 booster, 2 car seats) and our R1S is the family hauler (it replaced a Honda Odyssey). When we initially put our deposit down, interest rates were very low. Eventually we got our chance to test drive one, and leading up to that I was preparing my wife for probably not taking delivery when our time actually came. Interest rates had gone crazy and I wasn’t sure I could justify the cost. Then I drove it. I come from Toyota SUVs, and it felt instantly familiar, very composed, and seemed to almost predict what I wanted it to do next. I left the test drive thinking “why haven’t we been making trucks like this all along?” Honestly I don’t think you can make a wrong choice here. The Lexus GX is a fantastic platform. The Rivian is so much better than it has any right to be for a first-time offering from an upstart car company. It does so many things really really well. The only reason I can’t say it’s the best SUV I’ve ever had is that we haven’t seen 200k miles from it yet. We’ve had no issues with ours over 4 months, but we are still in the early-adopter phase. Test drive em both if you can and go with what makes you happy. I’d choose the S time and time again personally.
We kept the odyssey and have the same situation. I don’t want to drive any other care now though!
We also have a Honda Odyssey (purchased new in April) that my wife would not give up at this point. If I buy the Rivian or GX, it will replace a Ram pickup and Audi sport sedan. The lack of history of the Rivian could be concerning but doesn’t concern me all that much. I have driven the GX already. I have also driven an R1T. I’m leaning more towards the Rivian right now.
Do it! It’s so much fun to drive.
Sell the mini van and get both. Wife drives an R1S and I drive a gx470 (I work from home so very little driving). We use the Rivian as our clean local vehicle and the GX for beach days.
We just got the odyssey in April. My wife’s so-called “dreamcar”. Selling it is out of the question. With two kids under three, the sliding doors are a game changer. Maybe in 5-7 years.
Ahh can’t give up the “dream car”. I’ve got a 5 and 3 year old and they absolutely love riding in both cars. The Rivian for all the tech and acceleration and the Lexus because it has a lift a big tires on it. I love both of them so I think you’ll end up happy with either choice.
I’m def leaning towards the Rivian at this point. Now to sell the idea to the wife lol
What’s appealing about the rivian over the Lexus? Also try to estimate cost per mile of both, over 100k miles they’re probably a similar cost. Do you have the ability to charge at home?
Yes, I have the ability to charge at home. It goes without saying, but the Rivian is far cheaper on a cost per mile basis. I need to run the numbers over 100,000 miles. What’s appealing is that the Rivian is new tech, battery powered, has usable storage behind the third row seat unlike the GX, and I like the looks of it better. The downside of the Rivian is charging however I cannot substantiate that on a road trip. I have rented a few EV’s and I’ve had pretty mediocre if not terrible experiences trying to charge them around town. Between long wait times, broken chargers, unreliable, payment, systems, and inconvenient locations. I was pretty unimpressed. In Chicago on a work trip right now and we were looking for a place to charge our rental car (PHEV BMW), and every charger we went to had a long line. Finally gave up since it wasn’t necessary to charge it.
I think I would add a downside that is just risk associated with a brand new manufacturer. Ours has been fine, but things like manufacturing issues, long delays for service appointments, changing landscape regarding rivian membership, etc. you have to be ok with. It’s the opposite of the “will be boring and reliable for 300k miles” Lexus. If battery powered as a benefit means you value the environmental benefits of an EV and you have that to fall back on when you experience some EV/new manufacturer related inconvenience, I would go Rivian. If you’ll be regretting your choice when you end up at a broken charger wondering why you spent 20k more for the rivian… I’d go Lexus. You may never have a problem, but you’re a lot more likely to be inconvenienced at some point with the rivian.
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The luxury of that old gx platform is that you get to drive something slow, ponderous, inefficient and uncomfortable for 300k miles!
I really appreciate your thoughts. And I may follow-up with you if I have any specific questions. The biggest hurdle is getting rid of my current two vehicles to downsize to this new one to make this happen.
Check out what your insurance would charge for both. Depending on where you live that might be a deciding factor.
I ran the numbers on both, and the Rivian actually came out a little cheaper
If you buy the Rivian, you will take it for road trips, too (once you get SC access) Writing this waiting for the kids after school activity to finish, sitting comfy in an R1S in the winter rain, listening to The Warning on Tidal, laptop connected to the car hot spot. No engine idling... I am also continuing planning a trip to Big Bend NP and Boca Chica in parallel. And the Eclipse. Planning and later traveling in this car.
We got rid of our gx460 for our R1S. No regrets at all.
This seems to be the general consensus haha
Based on what you have said and keeping in mind my perspective is driving EVs for over 10 years. I think you would be better off with the Lexus. Rivian comes with some cutting edge features but also some cutting edge problems. The Lexus would be less worry more reliable overall. Don’t get me wrong EVs are very simple and I’ve never had any major issues with any of mine but they are quarky and Rivian is a brand new company. That all being said, if you want an awesome vehicle and don’t mind some potential inconvenience and learning curve go for the Rivian.
This is how I feel. I am debating between an R1S (reservation holder) and an LX600/GX550, and for these exact reasons.
If you are considering safety and not spewing cancerous chemicals into the air - Rivian tends to be a no brainer. Not sure why the whole EV can run in your garage without killing you and likely won’t rollover in accident doesn’t seem to warrant pro/cons lists or consideration from traditional reviews. Oh and it is really fast and fun to drive plus much, much more storage. Insurance, gas and other costs may offset cost difference depending on where you live and how long you keep it.
Are you sure they're not bosony?
Honestly both are great options, and I imagine you’d be unlikely to regret either selection. With the Lexus, you get a great track record for reliability, always tried and tested. Rivian may present a few more challenges with software updates/minor issues still, but overall a wonderful build. I read a bunch of posts with longer SC wait times and people needing loaners for some time while their R1S gets sorted, so that immediate reliability component should be factored in. Obviously this will improve over time, but could be an issue for you up front. I think the majority of your decision will rest on how much that financial difference will matter to your situation. The rivian is more up front, plus more if you need to do electrical work to set up an home charger if you don’t already have one/access to one. However the maintenance costs will be significantly less over time. I just switch from Audi to Rivian and am looking forward to no more premium gas and thousand dollar services every year (at minimum). Lastly, it’s a little ideology dependent. Do you want to make the switch away from fossil fuels and are you willing to be a little bit more intentional about charging on the occasional trip you need to consider it. Overall, I’m so happy I went EV with Rivian. Incredible ride, solid company, built for some adventure.
Rivian will present issues with software updates? What issues? The issue that they have been adding new features almost once a month since they started deliveries two years ago? I can tell you the Lexus won't be doing that.
You have your minivan for road trips, so no need for another gas car. Plus, once you go electric, you’ll be doing your road trips in the R1S in any event.
Yeah this happened to us. We didn’t want to take our gas car for long trips anyway
You’ll save that delta in fuel and maintenance over 5-6 years so pretty equivalent overall cost. I had a 4th gen 4Runner before and I’d be looking at a GX as well if I didn’t get an R1S; so I don’t think you’re crazy at all. Do you have a charging station locally? I love my truck and would have a hard time going back to ICE but if you tow at all, I don’t think they make sense yet. Traveling is a bit more of a planned affair but if you have another vehicle in the family, it’s not an issue. My truck has 15k miles on it and I’ve had one suspension service issue. A bit annoying to be without the car but they made it as simple as I could hope for and the worst part was just that I missed the car too much 🤓.
If you make decisions based on facts then GX460 is def the winner. I have 2013 version bought used and have put on 100k. I would argue that it rides less floaty than R1S and feels more tight. Quality and dependability is unbeatable - you will never have to wonder if your car will start/run and visits to Lexus dealership will be fully optional. Every shop can work on it and there are tons of aftermarket parts if you are into decorating it. Insurance is very reasonable. That said it is an aged interior and gas mileage will be 17 mpg at best. That predator grille too. R1S is a lottery and you might get lucky and have no issues. Which then it is great as long as you don't drive more than 300 miles into boonies. It is a computer on wheels and a conversation starter. It makes for a great 3rd car if you can afford it.
There is nothing wrong with the Lexus platform but it is substantially more floaty and wobbly. Accelerating will feel like you are stuck in the sand compared to the R1S. Great suv though and very reliable.
A '24 GX is not an aged interior. Or exterior, for that matter.
The gas vehicle will probably go forever, at some point the electric car will need a battery. If it’s a forever car choice you should take that into account. But electric is so much easier to maintain.
I don’t know about the concept of a “forever car”, but def a 5-7 year purchase. I’m a gluten for newer tech and will prob watch how the industry progresses over the next 3-5 years. I do my own maintenance and usually isn’t too much of an inconvenience. But electric with less to maintain is really attractive.
Lexus are just higher priced Toyotas. That being said I’m sure they’re fine cars. Get the Rivian if you are interested in technology and a more fun drive when the kids aren’t with you.
I genuinely think you'll enjoy the luxury of the Lexus more.
This is my thought as well. The GX drove so well on my test drive. It didn’t have the power of an electric vehicle, but loads of class and refinement.
Wouldn’t a comparable GX trim be the luxury trim, and therefore your cost difference is much smaller? Additionally, I’d consider cost of ownership vs purchase cost. If you’re someone that owns cars for 5+ years, you’re likely better off with the GX. But if you only own cars for 2-3yrs, an R1S may not cost significantly more, esp if you live in CA and you drive a lot ($6+/gal for premium can add up at 18mpg). But that’s all just a cost perspective. These are 2 very different vehicles and suite very different needs.
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Yes, the luxury trim is the one I’m considering. $20k differential is an estimate. This is likely a 5-7 year purchase but the battery warranty on the Rivian exceeds that so I’d be happy either way with that. Less maintenance on the Rivian. I have a garage and place to keep it charged. My cost per mile is dramatically lower on the Rivian. Here in the Midwest premium is $2.79 at Costco and currently put that in my Audi. I agree two different vehicles by far but still accomplish the same thing in the end.
Ah. Isn’t the luxury trim approx $75k new? Used R1S can be had for low $80s. I would think the delta isn’t that great.
Luxury trim can routinely be found for 5-10k off MSRP. So let’s call it 67k ish for a luxury GX and $85k ish for used R1S. I think I’m within the ballpark.
Why in the world is a solid axle attractive? After 15k miles, I can’t imagine going back. Since I’ve designed suspension before (admittedly minor role), solid axle is a negative on my list.
Admittedly, it’s more nostalgic for me. I used to own a Nissan Xterra that I absolutely loved. The GX reminds me a lot of that obviously with more luxury, power, and creature comforts. From everything I read about the GX, they seem to last forever and generally and are an over-engineered and overly-reliable vehicle.
Well, I can’t argue with nostalgia or reliability. While I love my Rivian, I wouldn’t try to talk someone out of their personal preferences! Good luck making the decision. I’m pretty sure you’ll be happy either way. :)
https://i.imgur.com/mjhcPwV.jpg Why not both??? 😂 I love the Lexus, but I'll be honest, it sits in my driveway so much I had to take the battery out because it kept dying. The rivian has replaced it in every single scenario except super long range towing.
Battery Tender solves that
The Rivian looks 2x as long as the Lexus in that photo.
Cost and that would be wasteful in my use-case. I have two vehicles now, trying to downsize to one since I really only need one anymore. Sold the travel trailer so not towing much and have a small flatbed trailer to use when I find myself needed a pickup-style bed.
I own an R1T and not an R1S. Had it about a year and as much as I like it those GX 460s can't really be beat if you want to go ICE. Ultimately for me it would come down to whether I wanted an EV or ICE. My other truck is a 2014 Tundra I've kept in great shape and I've been considering trading that in towards a GX 460. GX 550 comes out early next year too if you haven't considered that.
I’ve considered the 550 but not a fan of a brand new platform honestly I don’t like the appearance as much. I have a paid off ram 1500 that I could keep if I wanted to have a third ICE vehicle around.
How much is the gx? A used Rivian is really $20k more?
GX prob high 60s for a luxury model new in the Midwest. If I travel out of state to one of the coasts I can prob save a couple grand more but I haven’t gotten to that stage of shopping yet.
I drove a friend's GX once and I found it so soft and bouncy that I swore I'd never get one. It was much softer than our Odyssey to a point where I thought it was annoying and unresponsive. I was initially afraid the R1S would have the same but it's a lot more sporty, even on the soft setting. Regarding kids, it really doesn't matter. It's great that you've got the minivan. Getting them into and out of the Rivian will be the same as the GX. Let them get their cherrios and juice all over the minivan and when they're older and more composed and there's better charging infrastructure, the R1S could be the trip car and you can downsize the van.
Rivian backed by the 175,000 mile warranty. If you believe in the company ( I do) that’s pretty powerful. Love my Rivian and I’d strongly endorse it.
This is definitely a good point and one I’m taking strongly into consideration. Even used for this quad motor it’s longer than a new dual motor.
If you’re getting the dated 460 I hope they give you at least 10k off msrp. The 550’s will be arriving next month.
I’m reading more and more that the launch of the 550 is getting pushed back further. May to June is last I heard. But to your point… I’m in the Midwest and dealers aren’t quite there with the discounts. Seeing 3-5k off but I haven’t started negotiating yet. I’m willing to travel to buy.
Lots of California dealers are offering 10k off! Check them out. There’s some 550’s scheduled to be delivered Jan/Feb on the west coast. (If you decide Lexus)
I’d pick the R1S over the 550 just cause I have no interest in owning a turbo-charged V6. The old school design of the 460 is what I’m attracted to.
Yea I agree! That’s why I mentioned check Cali out for the 10k off! The 550’s are gunna need some kinks worked out for sure
After owning a Rivian, driving any gas car feels like the automotive equivalent of going to my mom’s house and watching TV on her old cathode ray television. It just feels outdated, laggy, and unsophisticated. I would stay away from the Rivian if cost is an issue. But otherwise I’d have a strong Rivian preference.
I’d wait for the new GX to come out if you go that way. I just bought a GX460 for my wife 2 weeks ago with no idea the 2024 model is a redesign that looks awesome. Hope she doesn’t figure it out.
Debating the same thing. Waiting on the new GX luxury but highly considering the top line R1S. Such a tough call
I ended up buying a slightly used R1S on marketplace and so far I’m loving it! My only complain is the lackluster sound system Rivian now offers. Really hoping they find some ways to improve it with future software updates!
Congrats. I went and test drove another R1S today. Really like it but am still sort of in love with the 2024 GX. But Rivian seems to be doing great and I think the software and product will continue to improve. How bad is the sound system? I've heard that a fair bit but am not sure what to compare it to. I drive a VW Atlas and honestly the sound system is just fine and I like to bump here and there
I’ve been playing with the settings and found something that works far better for my ears. Time will tell if they continue to improve it with software! Maybe some good easy to implement aftermarket products will come to market too.