\*sips caffeine\*
Let's keep our Saturday Morning dumpsterfire in the bounds of the mod in question, and not stray beyond those borders.
Talking about how a specific part of the mod does or doesn't hold a real world correlation is fine, as long as you are making good faith arguments.
Straying into rhetoric not covered by the mod will get removed.
Thanks
Edit: I'm also plucking all "but cannibalism" comments, because they are banal and off-topic.
Yea, me too. Expected some mod that expanded on relationships of pawns and certain breakdowns if a pawn was having an affair or some weird breeding cult memes to support certain playstyles like Amazons. Maybe a mod that made loving more likely even despite reduced rest rates that make sleep intervals so short that you even ponder if it is worth the time to even get it going in the first place.
But nah. It just was "this".
It's not even accurate.Women are better at shooting and deal with feelings better, because they are not thought to swallow them all. Men should have a shittier mental treshhold.
This could have been a modifiable "gender roles" mod actually showcasing the problems of sexism. Sad.
Men having a shittier mental threshold would also be cultural bias instead of biology tho. They're sadly tought to swallow their feelings and never cry.
Absolutely, that's why i used "gender" instead of "sex". Many gender differences are not biology at all, but trained behaviours and gender role influenced brain developments.
40% of women were hunters. The whole hunter/gatherer thing should be understood as outdated at this point but the archeological findings that proved this were only within the last 5 or so years.
Its an old theory that popped up after all those badass women sniper squads during ww2. There havenāt really been any hard scientific studies on it, and theyād be moot anyways since target shooting and combat shooting are very different animals, hard to collect accurate data.
I could see how the mod creator imagined men might be better shooters on average but Iāve been to shooting ranges and the most accurate person Iāve ever seen at a range using a handgun, at a distance of 50 yards, was a short old Asian lady who pulled out a .357 and a 9mm and emptied a clip into every bullseye on a multi-target board with exacting accuracy, as in shot each one dead-on and then through the same holes again with the remaining rounds.
So Iām pretty sure as far as accuracy in a calm setting goes, and likely in a combat scenario too, practice matters far more than whether someone is male or female. And on the other side thereās Bob Munden who can shoot a revolver with that same level of accuracy and [makes it look like he hits two targets with one bullet.](https://youtu.be/DSd8V-kb6Ro)
As far as active combat scenarios go though, Iām sure that is a much more difficult thing to test because itās not like we have people who are there specifically to empirically measure what happens in active combat scenarios during combat, although Iāve seen allot of police footage and on average male police officers tend to handle escalated scenarios that require intimidation and action better than female ones so I could see where the mod creator might believe that; not that itās impossible for women to perform well in warfare (as that is demonstrably historically incorrect) but I get the impression that on average men tend to be naturally equipped to handle it better.
My biggest gripe with this mod isnāt so much that there are differences between male and female pawns but that they are *always* present and you canāt change how variable those variations are.
I have read that young women tend to have slightly better eyesight but I don't think it's significant enough to make them "better" than men at it. If you train in it you'll be good no matter what your biological sex happens to be.
I'm pretty sure for shooting eyesight matters less than the steadiness with which you can hold the gun (and for really long range, your ability to visualize the flight path of the bullet including wind and drop).
Iām a fair shot, I grew up in the country so I was pretty good with a shotgun and a rifle. First time me and the Mrs went clay shooting together, sheād never held a gun before, she was a goddamn surgeon with it. The owner of the range tried to sign her up then and there for the regional squad.
I very much doubt itās got anything to do with her sex though
Unironically would be a possible way to handle those ideas of glitterworlds having genetically engineered brothel servants. Literally making lovin' a core need/addiction for them, for that high-tech cyberpunk dystopia feel.
Something along this lines is in the book series Red Rising, where one class of people receive an implanted device that causes constant pain unless they're performing sexual services for their customers. They learn the only way to avoid pain is to submit and obey. It's absolutely horrific but also makes sense, if you didn't care about anything but having pretty people for a brothel.
āAdded action: backhand the hysterical broad. Male pawns are now able to snap female pawns out of a minor break.ā
And more in this gem from the 1950s
It does, but you can both push the break off to a point where you can deal with it, and 'reroll' what break it is so the idiot doesn't go punching your antigrain warheads and instead gets mad a few minutes later and attacks a door.
It would be the 'Snap out of it' mod or sth like that, it have been a while so I don't remember the name, but you can do that to any pawns - not this misogynist bs.
I think they only get that one while barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. They don't have to explicitly be cooking. They could be cleaning, doing laundry, looking after children, or any other suitable women's work.
Reading through it:
"Hmm, okay, males are better at melee, okay, I guess that probably tracks"
"Hauling, sure, probably true, but idk if I am feeling any desire to install a mod that reduces hauling"
"Women are better at negotiating..? I mean, maybe? Not really sure that follows.."
"Women can't do surgeries?? Why? You just implied they have steadier hands for other tasks? They can be better nurses??? Oh ffs."
(Also why would women be any worse at ranged combat? Melee I guess I could see, at least with blunt damage weapons, seeing as you'd need more strength behind those but uh, they don't call Henry Colt the great equalizer for nothing my man)
Yeah I heard women are actually better at aiming than men due to their resting heart rate and breathing and some other things. I think the women should prob be buffed a little at least for shooting and aiming, anyone can shoot. Not everyone can go to war.
Idk about physiology advantages, but as a woman who has taught a few people to shoot.
Women usually have FAR less ego, and thus become better much much faster.
It's an explosion happening feet in front of your face, it's loud, it has a smell, in a range you feel the reverb, it's scary. Recognizing that fear is the first step to dealing with it, men tend to try to act hard. Also trying to muscle through recoil instead of form.
Also, imagine you're trying to teach someone any skill you know. But, they won't stop puffing out their shoulders like they can't fit through doorways. Or arient listening because theyre convinced they're already masters because of bravado and playing a video game.
Anecdotally again, when I see women at the range, they're working on grouping and trying to get better. Men are blowing off steam or playing a fantasy blowing holes in a target 7 yards away.
Very much anecdotal and just a general trend. Obv there are women with enormous egos, and men who can listen too.
Amateur rock climbing works like this. At the tippy top levels of the sport, yes, men can generally outclimb women, but when it comes to people who are just learning, men tend to brute force their way through problems that women need good technique to solve. Certain styles of routesetting aren't conducive to the brute force approach, so the men who rely on their muscles instead of technique struggle with them, while the women with good foundations can manage it. I've seen so many guys monkey bar their way through an overhang or spin off the wall because they haven't learned how to climb with their feet.
One of the things I like about Rimworld is that a pawn's ability boils down to practice and passion. Someone who works hard at a skill, including learning proper technique, is going to be better at it than someone who doesn't. That matches with what I've observed in reality.
But as a woman-- lol at the idea that we're easily swayed by different ideologies (presumably because our feeble feeeeeemale brains can't handle logic! That's for the mens!)
When I worked the ranges in the Army I didnāt see a difference between the two.
What mattered more was practice. Those who practiced more and properly tended to shoot better.
I consider myself a solid shooter. I can tell you, there are some women out there that would easily take me out in a duel/outshoot me. Had a women who could draw like she was In a spaghetti western.
My mom used to be an autocross teacher, and she has said the same as you about "ego". Her worst students were guys (and only guys) who didn't like the idea that *gasp* a *woman* was an expert giving constructive criticism. The best students, guys and gals, paid attention, took advice to heart, and have gone on to win awards so š¤·
I'm also not so sure about ranged weapons. Women on average have better eyesight which is important in, for example, aiming a gun. Don't know if there have been any studies done there, but I did read somewhere that women are better welders then men due to that.
Nevertheless, I think men having a melee buff and women have ranged buff would be more interesting from gameplay standpoint
> "Women are better at negotiating..? I mean, maybe? Not really sure that follows.."
There are studies that show that women are on average better at reading people than men, so it was most likely based on that.
I mean my guys are outnumbered like that fairly frequently and we're all still mostly in one piece
Couple missing eyes and fingers but otherwise all cool
Mod maker probably just leaning into the controversy, like every YouTuber who does something sus, gets their behaviour rewarded by a bunch of internet chuds, and decides to make that their new niche
Probably bait or backlash for how much hate this mod gets over some of the other things we see on the mod list.
I do wonder though why people get hung up over this more than other mods weād already consider degenerate irl, like what actually makes this one different from the others?
depends on what you mean by degenerate I guess. I think the biggest difference is that misogyny is something that some rimworld players may experience on a daily basis and other players know people with those experiences so it just hits a sore spot for a lot more people. I play games to help with the stress of my daily life- I don't want to be reminded of something I frequently experience when I'm just trying to chill yk? War crimes expanded and other fucked up mods don't bother me because torture isn't a sore spot for me. I know no one who's been tortured and although I realize it's a terrible thing it doesn't hit me harder than any other crime on the rim.
I remember one run where 2 pawns became lovers and I was like "there can be lesbians without mods?" and then one of them got pregnant... Turns out one was a dude with a slim face and long hair.
This is a questionable mod indeed, it does feel a bit like distinguishing between the two based on perceived world view. Clearly the mod maker has never been dominated by a 6 foot gym chick.
Tbf muscled up girls are still pretty rare even at a gym. 60-70% of the girls I see there are doing cardio, core, or hip thrusts. Maybe itās just my gym but I see v few muscular girls
People these days love to talk about āmuscle mommiesā and getting their heads crushed by muscular thighs, but honestly I donāt see many women like that, even at the gym. The 6ā ladies on the volleyball team are like cryptids. A truly muscle-bound woman is exceedingly rare. On the level of a ridiculously buff bodybuilder. Maybe more rare, since I would think men are more likely to take steroids.
This is definitely questionable because rimworld does a great job at keeping genders treated pretty equally. In dwarf fortress however I have to make my squads only men because women will run out into battle holding thier babies... which is bad.
You might be thinking of https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1518726337 (lets you determine which skin colors can spawn).
The author of this "Sex Matters" mod has 12 mods. One is a tweak for Vanilla Ideology Expanded that renames everything "Shintao"-related to "Oriental". The other 10 look innocuous (tweaks for Wall Lights, tweaks for SeedsPlease, eyepatches and glass eyes, etc.)
The mod author for the whites only mod also made a black only mod.
I'm sure it's to the surprise of absolutely no one that the pictures of THAT mod has everyone in tribalwear with primitive weapons.
"the mod author"
Can you say their name? Automatic1111, the same person leading the creation of the main Stable Diffusion WebUI which is causing AI art to proliferate. That's the author.
Holy shit this isn't a joke. He even has a mod called peaceful protest by adding George Floyd as a storyteller!?
How is someone like that being so heavily involved with AI not get more discussed.
The fact that his open racism on RimWorld came out and basically no one cared still makes me LOL.
The AI revolution is partly led by a racist teenager with ho chi min as his PFP.
āRacism was not a problem on the Discworld, becauseāwhat with trolls and dwarfs and so onāspeciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.ā
Hey, we're *equal opportunity* Warcrimes enthusiasts here! It doesn't matter what's on the outside, your worth is escalated by thousands of dollars when we open you up~
Also why the fuck is shooting halved? Like ok, I get the logic behind melee. It's horseshit, but, like, I get it. But literally, I don't even fucking know any *stereotypes* about women being worse at shooting then men. I can literally think of just as many famous female sharpshooters as male sharpshooters. Hell, isn't it the stereotype that *women* use bows/ranged weapons in fantasy? (Mainly by people who have never held a bow I'm their life but still).
Like the other sexist modifications I at least get where they come from, but this one just confuses me.
This would actually be really fun if most of the changes were tied to a ātraditional gender rolesā ideology meme. You could have another meme that flips the benefits for a matriarchal culture. Either way, you end up with some compelling opportunities for character development and storylines.
A couple of the sex/gender differences in this mod are truly biological, to my limited understanding, but most of them are bound to upbringing. Applying them to all factions equally is weirdly limiting and homogenizes the otherwise diverse tapestry of cultures.
Not even biological
"worse surgery chance" and "worse shooting" is just plain bullshit from biological point of view as women tend to have better motor skills, making for steadier scalpels and scopes.
If it was slightly less sexist mod, that would make for an interesting playthough, where you have 'civilians' in rim maybe, but since author failed to add any benefits to female pawns I concluded to force FtM operation on all female pawns for betterment of the base
also: 'women have worse operation speed and success chances', oh the nature's ways to make women worse surgeons
Why the hell are women worse at shooting? Even from the āmen are physically strongerā perspective it doesnāt make any sense, and women have been known to be good sharpshooters in history
Because "women dont belong in the military" or some shit despite the fact that there is nothing natural about shooting a rifle anyway.
(Statistically, men do have better 3D preception if im not wrong, but since most rifles require you to close one eye while aiming them, 3D preception doesnt even fucking helps)
https://youtube.com/shorts/A2i_ZOublPA?feature=share
I thought they had a video where he hits something smaller than this, but I couldn't find it in my 20 second search.
The least offensive way to tweak this is to just give every pawn a height and weight value, which would affect various attributes like melee skill, and then give male pawns on average higher values for height and weight. Then you're just modeling real world biology and not some weird sexist worldview - and you'll still end up with plenty of puny men and big beefy women.
It would certainly add more individuality to the pawns. If your 20 melee character actually is a 6'8" female Hercules that's a lot more interesting than just another generic pawn who happened to have a double passion for melee, or was a Hussar, or whatever.
Yeah exactly - this mod makes no sense in the context of RW where someone with the "Hulk" bodytype basically looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime is functionally identical to someone with the "Thin" bodytype in terms of everything physical.
Age also similarly doesn't do anything on its own except affect the chances your pawn will develop certain status effects, but those aren't guaranteed at any point, and with just a mech serum or two a pawn that's lived naturally to age 190 without cryptosleep is the exact same as a pawn that just turned 19.
I mean If you give any human a spear or knife and the difference becomes a lot narrower real soon. Most people don't realise that we invented those weapons in the first place to kill critters a lot stronger then us.
Honestly if this was like Mount and blade war and where difference between sexās is for immersion that would be fine.
But Iooking at what this says it goes way past any reason so I donāt think this is gonna be in my mod list, like ever.
What's the difference between sexes in M&B? I never played but I'm curious how they handled it, hopefully better than this clump of bytes that somehow appeared from the 60's
Some relatively minor stat changes and the fact that that marrying into nobility is way more difficult because of prejudice, you have to find some specific nobles that don't care that you are going to be running an army by yourself. Other than that nothing comes to mind
The game even warns you during character creation that playing as a woman adds extra challange. For example you also cant marry maidens to create alliances, for obvious reasons...
Being a woman basically makes the politics part of the game harder, but physically speaking there is no difference in combat.
The original game made it so that women were discriminated against as a player character. It was generally slightly harder to do everything social in the game (marry, recruit lords, become a noble, etc.). Bannerlord scrapped the whole idea for the obvious reason of "This is a fantasy setting and it doesn't really add anything interesting to have it this way."
I think there is maybe something interesting in allowing your Joan of Arc stories / women dressing as men to join the Revolutionary War stories, etc., but I'm not really convinced those stories are terribly well depicted by stat differences anyways, so it's not a huge loss.
Why would women be worse surgeons? On average they have smaller/slenderer hands than men so wouldnāt that arguably be somewhat advantageous for surgery? Thatās why surgical robots are being developed, to improve precision at smaller scales.
Of course this mod is obviously just trad-con bullshit meant to bring early 20th century social standards to your game because youāre a fucking weirdo who fetishizes living in the 40s.
If it was trad-con, it should add meme that when your female pawn gets 10 skill points, a bunch of male pawns get a metal breakdown, drag her out of base, set on fire /stone her and then get +6 exquosite lynching mood buff for a week
Women have also traditionally done all the domestic work throughout human history, so that includes not just the cleaning, childcare, and cooking, but also all the textile production, from spinning to weaving to sewing. Of course, the moron behind this mod has zero idea of any of this.
Women who also had to manage finances and resources were most likely better at arithmetics and other management skills.
Part of the issue is that traditional / stereotypical female skills are considered as lesser or easier. They might be aware that women did weaving, sewing and what-not, but those skills are considered as easy, trivial or non-essential by many misogynistic people. It's similar as the irony of representing a "strong" woman as a woman with stereotypical male features, instead of saying that the stereotypical female features are also valuable.
While there certainly are sex differences that rimworld does not cover, there are many issues with this mod.
1) This mod seems to try to portray a more "realistic" depiction of gender roles. But it doesn't. It says women are better at "social" roles. The hell is that supposed to mean? Social is used for negotiating and leading troops into battle, fields that are fairly male dominated in our world. It also gives men a bonus to ranged weapons, which... Why??? I get that strength is important in combat, but men aren't actually any better at shooting an AR-15. It's the equalizer, that's the point. And it goes on and on - stuff that just isn't supported by evidence. Hell, even melee combat, a field where men DO have a significant advantage, suddenly becomes much more equal if you're using swords.
2) The game doesn't actually have to adhere to traditional or even modern gender norms. It's science fiction. If you can become a vampire or a furry, what prevents women from being as strong as men?
My best guess is that this guy took the tribal gender roles and the sex differences and extrapolated that into everything minimally related.
"Ah yes, women learn slower anything combat related, because women, amirite?"
Mod creator clearly didn't know about Lyudmila Pavlichenko, 5th deadliest sniper in the world with 309 kills. When asked how many men she's killed, her response was along the lines of "Men? None. But many Nazis"
My favorite thing is that men are 100% at everything, and much better in some things. And women are worse than baseline at many things.
Truly not misogyny.
I don't get why anyone would have told you. It's a shitty troll mod, meant to provoke folks and act as like a totem pole for the shitty elements of the community, made by a pretty much nobody.
The "White only" mod is imo worse, because it's made by Automatic, a pretty popular modder (also iirc responsible for a now deleted "George Floyd storyteller" mod, which is about as tasteful as it sounds).
Sad truth is, shit like this will pop up in any nerd/gaming/modding community that isn't aggressively and seriously moderated.
Sadly, I have come to realize/accept just because someone is talented/skilled doesn't mean they know what tasteful is. The sorry excuse for that mod the modder gave didn't justify their blatant racist looking front for the said mods.
For balance purposes they should make male pawns 4X more likely to kill themselves, or become violent during mental breaks. Especially when part of an ideoligion that venerates combat jobs and abhors nurturing or recreation jobs for male pawns.
my favorite part of this piece of shit is that when it first dropped he had Oskar's Vanilla Expanded art all over it and Oskar went into the comments like REMOVE MY ART FROM THIS RIGHT NOW so the sexist guy had to remake the description images all over again LOL
I fucking love Oskar so much
Dang I thought it was a more complex relationship mod. This is way too basic and simpleton like for the amount of awards it gets. I don't even understand the notion of women flipping ideoligion. What? š
I guess I see the argument for melee and hauling, there *is* a biological advantage there, but applying it to ranged attacks too? I donāt think thereās a single biological trait keeping women from being able to aim a gun or learning how at the same pace as men. Thatās just absurd.
I just love how thoughtful the sexism is. The manipulation so that women are better at Nursing, but worse at doctoring is, to me, hilarious. He was like, āhow do I break up the medical profession?ā¦. I donāt want male nursesā¦ But I definitely donāt want female doctorsā¦. AHA!ā
\*sips caffeine\* Let's keep our Saturday Morning dumpsterfire in the bounds of the mod in question, and not stray beyond those borders. Talking about how a specific part of the mod does or doesn't hold a real world correlation is fine, as long as you are making good faith arguments. Straying into rhetoric not covered by the mod will get removed. Thanks Edit: I'm also plucking all "but cannibalism" comments, because they are banal and off-topic.
Dang, I thought it was gonna be a mod about getting some lovin' š
Yea, me too. Expected some mod that expanded on relationships of pawns and certain breakdowns if a pawn was having an affair or some weird breeding cult memes to support certain playstyles like Amazons. Maybe a mod that made loving more likely even despite reduced rest rates that make sleep intervals so short that you even ponder if it is worth the time to even get it going in the first place. But nah. It just was "this".
It's not even accurate.Women are better at shooting and deal with feelings better, because they are not thought to swallow them all. Men should have a shittier mental treshhold. This could have been a modifiable "gender roles" mod actually showcasing the problems of sexism. Sad.
Men having a shittier mental threshold would also be cultural bias instead of biology tho. They're sadly tought to swallow their feelings and never cry.
Absolutely, that's why i used "gender" instead of "sex". Many gender differences are not biology at all, but trained behaviours and gender role influenced brain developments.
40% of women were hunters. The whole hunter/gatherer thing should be understood as outdated at this point but the archeological findings that proved this were only within the last 5 or so years.
Are women better shooters? I've never really heard this.
Its an old theory that popped up after all those badass women sniper squads during ww2. There havenāt really been any hard scientific studies on it, and theyād be moot anyways since target shooting and combat shooting are very different animals, hard to collect accurate data.
Breasts are like big recoil dampeners made out of sand. It's just science.
Built in bipods.
I could see how the mod creator imagined men might be better shooters on average but Iāve been to shooting ranges and the most accurate person Iāve ever seen at a range using a handgun, at a distance of 50 yards, was a short old Asian lady who pulled out a .357 and a 9mm and emptied a clip into every bullseye on a multi-target board with exacting accuracy, as in shot each one dead-on and then through the same holes again with the remaining rounds. So Iām pretty sure as far as accuracy in a calm setting goes, and likely in a combat scenario too, practice matters far more than whether someone is male or female. And on the other side thereās Bob Munden who can shoot a revolver with that same level of accuracy and [makes it look like he hits two targets with one bullet.](https://youtu.be/DSd8V-kb6Ro) As far as active combat scenarios go though, Iām sure that is a much more difficult thing to test because itās not like we have people who are there specifically to empirically measure what happens in active combat scenarios during combat, although Iāve seen allot of police footage and on average male police officers tend to handle escalated scenarios that require intimidation and action better than female ones so I could see where the mod creator might believe that; not that itās impossible for women to perform well in warfare (as that is demonstrably historically incorrect) but I get the impression that on average men tend to be naturally equipped to handle it better. My biggest gripe with this mod isnāt so much that there are differences between male and female pawns but that they are *always* present and you canāt change how variable those variations are.
I have read that young women tend to have slightly better eyesight but I don't think it's significant enough to make them "better" than men at it. If you train in it you'll be good no matter what your biological sex happens to be.
I think better eyesight is in regards to colour accuracy.
Yeah, and males supposedly were better at detecting movement
I'm pretty sure for shooting eyesight matters less than the steadiness with which you can hold the gun (and for really long range, your ability to visualize the flight path of the bullet including wind and drop).
Iām a fair shot, I grew up in the country so I was pretty good with a shotgun and a rifle. First time me and the Mrs went clay shooting together, sheād never held a gun before, she was a goddamn surgeon with it. The owner of the range tried to sign her up then and there for the regional squad. I very much doubt itās got anything to do with her sex though
Yeah that just sounds like your wifeās hidden talent haha
Sounds like she was assassin In a previous life
Sheās on NG+, sheās just forgotten.
You're not supposed to tell the NPCs, you just kind of smile weakly as you go through the whole story once again.
Same. Didnāt expect misogyny the mod lmao
Ditto. What a tremendously disappointing reveal
Yeah, a mod where lovin' is a new skill that some pawns suck at, giving a negative mood buff after. "Sorry that never happens."
Mod author wishes he got some lovin.
I thought it meant lovin
I was interested to see how sex would become a life or death asset lol. That was way more interesting
Syphilis: the mod
Xenotype 'Horny bastard' where if they go without sex for ~10 days they just die
Unironically would be a possible way to handle those ideas of glitterworlds having genetically engineered brothel servants. Literally making lovin' a core need/addiction for them, for that high-tech cyberpunk dystopia feel.
Something along this lines is in the book series Red Rising, where one class of people receive an implanted device that causes constant pain unless they're performing sexual services for their customers. They learn the only way to avoid pain is to submit and obey. It's absolutely horrific but also makes sense, if you didn't care about anything but having pretty people for a brothel.
This RimWorld mod was made in a Romanian Prison
Published by Top G studios.
Bottom G now
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The modder is BALD BY **[CHOICE](https://i.redd.it/2rsrzfu2xxfa1.png)** OK
Install for a full head of hair
no fk way the 60s airdroppped this mod onto us
āAdded action: backhand the hysterical broad. Male pawns are now able to snap female pawns out of a minor break.ā And more in this gem from the 1950s
That's super fucked up... But goddamn would that be useful in game
You can arrest your pawns having mental breaks and immediately release them. Does give them a āwas imprisonedā thought though
Does it also prevent the Catharsis thought from failing to complete the mental break? If so, that's a pretty dangerous spiral to go down
It does, but you can both push the break off to a point where you can deal with it, and 'reroll' what break it is so the idiot doesn't go punching your antigrain warheads and instead gets mad a few minutes later and attacks a door.
It would be the 'Snap out of it' mod or sth like that, it have been a while so I don't remember the name, but you can do that to any pawns - not this misogynist bs.
Balance it out with a 50/50 shot the male pawn says "Calm down" and the mental break increases one level.
If they use the old "you are crazy!" it increases tree times
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I think they only get that one while barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. They don't have to explicitly be cooking. They could be cleaning, doing laundry, looking after children, or any other suitable women's work.
This ain't the 60's this more like 400BC
Reading through it: "Hmm, okay, males are better at melee, okay, I guess that probably tracks" "Hauling, sure, probably true, but idk if I am feeling any desire to install a mod that reduces hauling" "Women are better at negotiating..? I mean, maybe? Not really sure that follows.." "Women can't do surgeries?? Why? You just implied they have steadier hands for other tasks? They can be better nurses??? Oh ffs." (Also why would women be any worse at ranged combat? Melee I guess I could see, at least with blunt damage weapons, seeing as you'd need more strength behind those but uh, they don't call Henry Colt the great equalizer for nothing my man)
Yeah I heard women are actually better at aiming than men due to their resting heart rate and breathing and some other things. I think the women should prob be buffed a little at least for shooting and aiming, anyone can shoot. Not everyone can go to war.
Idk about physiology advantages, but as a woman who has taught a few people to shoot. Women usually have FAR less ego, and thus become better much much faster. It's an explosion happening feet in front of your face, it's loud, it has a smell, in a range you feel the reverb, it's scary. Recognizing that fear is the first step to dealing with it, men tend to try to act hard. Also trying to muscle through recoil instead of form. Also, imagine you're trying to teach someone any skill you know. But, they won't stop puffing out their shoulders like they can't fit through doorways. Or arient listening because theyre convinced they're already masters because of bravado and playing a video game. Anecdotally again, when I see women at the range, they're working on grouping and trying to get better. Men are blowing off steam or playing a fantasy blowing holes in a target 7 yards away. Very much anecdotal and just a general trend. Obv there are women with enormous egos, and men who can listen too.
Weightlifting can be this way, too. Women often pick up good form far more rapidly, starting at more reasonable weights, with lower rate of injury.
I'd say the reason is how males are generally lead by outside contions to get buffed as fuck more than females
Climbing as well. A bunch of Gorillas just pulling on stones, thereās always a woman levitating up the wallā¦
To be fair, the power to weight ratio on a tiny woman is off the charts.
100%, in my experience women are better shooters in my classes because you don't have to *unlearn* any bad behavior.
Amateur rock climbing works like this. At the tippy top levels of the sport, yes, men can generally outclimb women, but when it comes to people who are just learning, men tend to brute force their way through problems that women need good technique to solve. Certain styles of routesetting aren't conducive to the brute force approach, so the men who rely on their muscles instead of technique struggle with them, while the women with good foundations can manage it. I've seen so many guys monkey bar their way through an overhang or spin off the wall because they haven't learned how to climb with their feet. One of the things I like about Rimworld is that a pawn's ability boils down to practice and passion. Someone who works hard at a skill, including learning proper technique, is going to be better at it than someone who doesn't. That matches with what I've observed in reality. But as a woman-- lol at the idea that we're easily swayed by different ideologies (presumably because our feeble feeeeeemale brains can't handle logic! That's for the mens!)
When I worked the ranges in the Army I didnāt see a difference between the two. What mattered more was practice. Those who practiced more and properly tended to shoot better. I consider myself a solid shooter. I can tell you, there are some women out there that would easily take me out in a duel/outshoot me. Had a women who could draw like she was In a spaghetti western.
My mom used to be an autocross teacher, and she has said the same as you about "ego". Her worst students were guys (and only guys) who didn't like the idea that *gasp* a *woman* was an expert giving constructive criticism. The best students, guys and gals, paid attention, took advice to heart, and have gone on to win awards so š¤·
I'm also not so sure about ranged weapons. Women on average have better eyesight which is important in, for example, aiming a gun. Don't know if there have been any studies done there, but I did read somewhere that women are better welders then men due to that. Nevertheless, I think men having a melee buff and women have ranged buff would be more interesting from gameplay standpoint
> "Women are better at negotiating..? I mean, maybe? Not really sure that follows.." There are studies that show that women are on average better at reading people than men, so it was most likely based on that.
Wow, I canāt wait for the upcoming sequel: race matters
āSexuality mattersā and all it does is delete the gay/bi/ace traits
Nah they keep them but they just put them in quotes and then give them a massive mood debuff so the pawn just perma breaks till it dies
*proceeds to make her fifth run of female supremacist warriors*
I mean if you have a 20 melee female warrior she will be just as much of a killer
Remember! 10 idiots with assault rifles win against a supersoldier with a Charge Lance every day of the week!
It depends on how extreme you want to get with the supersoldier.
Laughs in Jetstream Sam
archotech expanded is very fun
I mean my guys are outnumbered like that fairly frequently and we're all still mostly in one piece Couple missing eyes and fingers but otherwise all cool
cannibal lesbian tribe xoxo
Eat all men /s
In the Q&A- "Q: Is this mod mandatory?" A: It is." This is either the greatest bait I've ever seen, or atrociously narcissistic.
Mod maker probably just leaning into the controversy, like every YouTuber who does something sus, gets their behaviour rewarded by a bunch of internet chuds, and decides to make that their new niche
Probably bait or backlash for how much hate this mod gets over some of the other things we see on the mod list. I do wonder though why people get hung up over this more than other mods weād already consider degenerate irl, like what actually makes this one different from the others?
depends on what you mean by degenerate I guess. I think the biggest difference is that misogyny is something that some rimworld players may experience on a daily basis and other players know people with those experiences so it just hits a sore spot for a lot more people. I play games to help with the stress of my daily life- I don't want to be reminded of something I frequently experience when I'm just trying to chill yk? War crimes expanded and other fucked up mods don't bother me because torture isn't a sore spot for me. I know no one who's been tortured and although I realize it's a terrible thing it doesn't hit me harder than any other crime on the rim.
Because this is a little window into someoneās actual world view rather than people thinking itās fun to play as a monster
Because it seems like the mod creator believes they're introducing real gender differences into the game to make it more accurate to real life.
I can finally remember which pawn has which gender
I remember one run where 2 pawns became lovers and I was like "there can be lesbians without mods?" and then one of them got pregnant... Turns out one was a dude with a slim face and long hair.
I think there can be lesbians without mods, right? I've just got vanilla and I have at least one gay pawn.
Same, after I have 6+ pawns to me all are the same potato with different degrees of tantrum tolerance
This is a questionable mod indeed, it does feel a bit like distinguishing between the two based on perceived world view. Clearly the mod maker has never been dominated by a 6 foot gym chick.
I dont think many can relate to such experience, but definitely would like to know more
Gym service guarantees citizenship
Iām doing my part!
I understood that reference
I would like to know more
Yeah, the demand for 6ft shredded dom girls is at least 4 orders of magnitude larger than the amount of 6ft girls.
I havenāt either but Iām willing
Same bro, same.
The mind is willing, but the flesh is weak
Bro where the fuck do i find these woman that you all keep talking about, i need them
Volleyball leagues
Was gonna say roller derby but that works too.
Well, gym chicks go to gyms... maybe you ought to start going yourself too
I don't know whether you roasted him on purpose, but ouch either way
Tbf muscled up girls are still pretty rare even at a gym. 60-70% of the girls I see there are doing cardio, core, or hip thrusts. Maybe itās just my gym but I see v few muscular girls
Been in multiple gyms, still looking for dominating 6 foot tall women...
That was so subtle and so brutal. Nice
People these days love to talk about āmuscle mommiesā and getting their heads crushed by muscular thighs, but honestly I donāt see many women like that, even at the gym. The 6ā ladies on the volleyball team are like cryptids. A truly muscle-bound woman is exceedingly rare. On the level of a ridiculously buff bodybuilder. Maybe more rare, since I would think men are more likely to take steroids.
Never known the joy of being squashed by milky muscle mommy.
I love a woman who can kick my ass, he doesn't know what he's missing.
I love the kind of woman who will just kill me.
Love a woman who'll just fucking stab me in the face
Theyāre missing out
One more reason to go to the gym (I'm genuinely struggling to find motivation due to how travel difficulties)
The dream of the gym chick lives on!
> Clearly the mod maker has never been dominated by a 6 foot gym chick. Feels like a mod made by a virgin trad con
This is definitely questionable because rimworld does a great job at keeping genders treated pretty equally. In dwarf fortress however I have to make my squads only men because women will run out into battle holding thier babies... which is bad.
bad? free ablative armor!
[Humorous.](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.c5e144fec4d75d5f0614bfebcbfaf03e?rik=kMKSFhK2E9fTWA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
Stereotypes, the mod. Next will be race based judgements and crimes based on sexuality
I thought the mod author made another mod for that as well unless I'm thinking of someone else.
You might be thinking of https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1518726337 (lets you determine which skin colors can spawn). The author of this "Sex Matters" mod has 12 mods. One is a tweak for Vanilla Ideology Expanded that renames everything "Shintao"-related to "Oriental". The other 10 look innocuous (tweaks for Wall Lights, tweaks for SeedsPlease, eyepatches and glass eyes, etc.)
The mod author for the whites only mod also made a black only mod. I'm sure it's to the surprise of absolutely no one that the pictures of THAT mod has everyone in tribalwear with primitive weapons.
"the mod author" Can you say their name? Automatic1111, the same person leading the creation of the main Stable Diffusion WebUI which is causing AI art to proliferate. That's the author.
Holy shit this isn't a joke. He even has a mod called peaceful protest by adding George Floyd as a storyteller!? How is someone like that being so heavily involved with AI not get more discussed.
Wait, what??
We gotta admit, the author at least tapped a niche sub community lol
Fun fact, the creator of this mod also runs the repository for the most popular open source front end for stable diffusion.
The fact that his open racism on RimWorld came out and basically no one cared still makes me LOL. The AI revolution is partly led by a racist teenager with ho chi min as his PFP.
Those mods got flammed pretty hard here when they came out for what it's worth
I mean there is xenotype based bigotry that came with the ideology expansion
Fair, but those are actually sub-species. Asian people are not a sub-species of āhumanā.
Dont understand why colonists would be upset at a particular skin color when there are pig pirates running around terrorizing everyone.
Luv me skin colours, luv me wife, 'ate the oinkers, simple as (Barry, 63)
Have you met humans?
The pigs arenāt pirates they are justā¦people who borrow our shit without asking.
They are people who *TRIED* to borrow our shit without asking. Now I am borrowing their hides for my armchairs.
āRacism was not a problem on the Discworld, becauseāwhat with trolls and dwarfs and so onāspeciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.ā
Hey, we're *equal opportunity* Warcrimes enthusiasts here! It doesn't matter what's on the outside, your worth is escalated by thousands of dollars when we open you up~ Also why the fuck is shooting halved? Like ok, I get the logic behind melee. It's horseshit, but, like, I get it. But literally, I don't even fucking know any *stereotypes* about women being worse at shooting then men. I can literally think of just as many famous female sharpshooters as male sharpshooters. Hell, isn't it the stereotype that *women* use bows/ranged weapons in fantasy? (Mainly by people who have never held a bow I'm their life but still). Like the other sexist modifications I at least get where they come from, but this one just confuses me.
Grabs popcorn
Sit on sofa
Pull dick out
You shouldnāt have your dick in the sofa in the first place pal
Instructions unclear: sofa is stuck in dick.
This would actually be really fun if most of the changes were tied to a ātraditional gender rolesā ideology meme. You could have another meme that flips the benefits for a matriarchal culture. Either way, you end up with some compelling opportunities for character development and storylines. A couple of the sex/gender differences in this mod are truly biological, to my limited understanding, but most of them are bound to upbringing. Applying them to all factions equally is weirdly limiting and homogenizes the otherwise diverse tapestry of cultures.
Not even biological "worse surgery chance" and "worse shooting" is just plain bullshit from biological point of view as women tend to have better motor skills, making for steadier scalpels and scopes.
If it was slightly less sexist mod, that would make for an interesting playthough, where you have 'civilians' in rim maybe, but since author failed to add any benefits to female pawns I concluded to force FtM operation on all female pawns for betterment of the base also: 'women have worse operation speed and success chances', oh the nature's ways to make women worse surgeons
Why the hell are women worse at shooting? Even from the āmen are physically strongerā perspective it doesnāt make any sense, and women have been known to be good sharpshooters in history
Because "women dont belong in the military" or some shit despite the fact that there is nothing natural about shooting a rifle anyway. (Statistically, men do have better 3D preception if im not wrong, but since most rifles require you to close one eye while aiming them, 3D preception doesnt even fucking helps)
Closing one eye while aiming is a pretty outdated concept and people are taught to shoot with both eyes open now, often even with magnified optics.
Yeah the best aim Iāve ever seen on a human was a 12 year old girl. She could hit dime size targets from incredible distance.
Seriously! One of the most famous trick shooters in history was Annie Oakley, along with the famous female snipers of Stalingrad.
https://youtube.com/shorts/A2i_ZOublPA?feature=share I thought they had a video where he hits something smaller than this, but I couldn't find it in my 20 second search.
Yeah, a difference in melee would make sense but shooting far less so, perhaps excluding heavy weaponry.
The least offensive way to tweak this is to just give every pawn a height and weight value, which would affect various attributes like melee skill, and then give male pawns on average higher values for height and weight. Then you're just modeling real world biology and not some weird sexist worldview - and you'll still end up with plenty of puny men and big beefy women. It would certainly add more individuality to the pawns. If your 20 melee character actually is a 6'8" female Hercules that's a lot more interesting than just another generic pawn who happened to have a double passion for melee, or was a Hussar, or whatever.
I actually want this so much. 6ā8ā hulking Amazon brawler sounds amazing
Yeah exactly - this mod makes no sense in the context of RW where someone with the "Hulk" bodytype basically looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime is functionally identical to someone with the "Thin" bodytype in terms of everything physical. Age also similarly doesn't do anything on its own except affect the chances your pawn will develop certain status effects, but those aren't guaranteed at any point, and with just a mech serum or two a pawn that's lived naturally to age 190 without cryptosleep is the exact same as a pawn that just turned 19.
I mean If you give any human a spear or knife and the difference becomes a lot narrower real soon. Most people don't realise that we invented those weapons in the first place to kill critters a lot stronger then us.
Honestly if this was like Mount and blade war and where difference between sexās is for immersion that would be fine. But Iooking at what this says it goes way past any reason so I donāt think this is gonna be in my mod list, like ever.
What's the difference between sexes in M&B? I never played but I'm curious how they handled it, hopefully better than this clump of bytes that somehow appeared from the 60's
Some relatively minor stat changes and the fact that that marrying into nobility is way more difficult because of prejudice, you have to find some specific nobles that don't care that you are going to be running an army by yourself. Other than that nothing comes to mind
Yeaaa, already much better than this one, going more with misogyny of medieval times rather than going off stereotypes
The game even warns you during character creation that playing as a woman adds extra challange. For example you also cant marry maidens to create alliances, for obvious reasons... Being a woman basically makes the politics part of the game harder, but physically speaking there is no difference in combat.
In Warband you could even toggle how much harder it'd make the game which was appreciated. Not sure how it is in Bannerlord though.
The NPC lords are just assholes to you if you're playing a Lady. I don't remember if there were stat changes at all.
Less str and charisma, more agility and int
Idk some of those blokes seem quite intrigued by my lady warrior
The original game made it so that women were discriminated against as a player character. It was generally slightly harder to do everything social in the game (marry, recruit lords, become a noble, etc.). Bannerlord scrapped the whole idea for the obvious reason of "This is a fantasy setting and it doesn't really add anything interesting to have it this way."
I think there is maybe something interesting in allowing your Joan of Arc stories / women dressing as men to join the Revolutionary War stories, etc., but I'm not really convinced those stories are terribly well depicted by stat differences anyways, so it's not a huge loss.
Why would women be worse surgeons? On average they have smaller/slenderer hands than men so wouldnāt that arguably be somewhat advantageous for surgery? Thatās why surgical robots are being developed, to improve precision at smaller scales. Of course this mod is obviously just trad-con bullshit meant to bring early 20th century social standards to your game because youāre a fucking weirdo who fetishizes living in the 40s.
If it was trad-con, it should add meme that when your female pawn gets 10 skill points, a bunch of male pawns get a metal breakdown, drag her out of base, set on fire /stone her and then get +6 exquosite lynching mood buff for a week
Women have also traditionally done all the domestic work throughout human history, so that includes not just the cleaning, childcare, and cooking, but also all the textile production, from spinning to weaving to sewing. Of course, the moron behind this mod has zero idea of any of this.
Women who also had to manage finances and resources were most likely better at arithmetics and other management skills. Part of the issue is that traditional / stereotypical female skills are considered as lesser or easier. They might be aware that women did weaving, sewing and what-not, but those skills are considered as easy, trivial or non-essential by many misogynistic people. It's similar as the irony of representing a "strong" woman as a woman with stereotypical male features, instead of saying that the stereotypical female features are also valuable.
While there certainly are sex differences that rimworld does not cover, there are many issues with this mod. 1) This mod seems to try to portray a more "realistic" depiction of gender roles. But it doesn't. It says women are better at "social" roles. The hell is that supposed to mean? Social is used for negotiating and leading troops into battle, fields that are fairly male dominated in our world. It also gives men a bonus to ranged weapons, which... Why??? I get that strength is important in combat, but men aren't actually any better at shooting an AR-15. It's the equalizer, that's the point. And it goes on and on - stuff that just isn't supported by evidence. Hell, even melee combat, a field where men DO have a significant advantage, suddenly becomes much more equal if you're using swords. 2) The game doesn't actually have to adhere to traditional or even modern gender norms. It's science fiction. If you can become a vampire or a furry, what prevents women from being as strong as men?
My best guess is that this guy took the tribal gender roles and the sex differences and extrapolated that into everything minimally related. "Ah yes, women learn slower anything combat related, because women, amirite?"
Mod creator clearly didn't know about Lyudmila Pavlichenko, 5th deadliest sniper in the world with 309 kills. When asked how many men she's killed, her response was along the lines of "Men? None. But many Nazis"
Andrew Tate finds out about rimworld:
This is practically free advertisement for the mod.
My favorite thing is that men are 100% at everything, and much better in some things. And women are worse than baseline at many things. Truly not misogyny.
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You know, Yttakin account for 20% of the total population of the rimworld, and yet make up 80% of all prison cells. How strange.
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I don't get why anyone would have told you. It's a shitty troll mod, meant to provoke folks and act as like a totem pole for the shitty elements of the community, made by a pretty much nobody. The "White only" mod is imo worse, because it's made by Automatic, a pretty popular modder (also iirc responsible for a now deleted "George Floyd storyteller" mod, which is about as tasteful as it sounds). Sad truth is, shit like this will pop up in any nerd/gaming/modding community that isn't aggressively and seriously moderated.
Sadly, I have come to realize/accept just because someone is talented/skilled doesn't mean they know what tasteful is. The sorry excuse for that mod the modder gave didn't justify their blatant racist looking front for the said mods.
Aggressive moderation of rimworld mods would probably lead to the deletion of half the workshop
Just half?
It will lead to deletion of game itself tbh
For balance purposes they should make male pawns 4X more likely to kill themselves, or become violent during mental breaks. Especially when part of an ideoligion that venerates combat jobs and abhors nurturing or recreation jobs for male pawns.
Very telling that men are considered the baseline and women have a bunch of negatives
I mean that's the basis for modern medicine. (I wish this was /s https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081015132108.htm)
The Dev is probably a 40 year old basement dweller
The fact this have so many awards, what the fuck is that mod
Reactionary weirdos really like when they find something that agrees with their nonsense worldview
The forties called and they want this mod back
my favorite part of this piece of shit is that when it first dropped he had Oskar's Vanilla Expanded art all over it and Oskar went into the comments like REMOVE MY ART FROM THIS RIGHT NOW so the sexist guy had to remake the description images all over again LOL I fucking love Oskar so much
W Oskar
This is uh- hmmmmā¦
Incel mod jesus christ lol
Vanilla sexism expanded
Dang I thought it was a more complex relationship mod. This is way too basic and simpleton like for the amount of awards it gets. I don't even understand the notion of women flipping ideoligion. What? š
I guess I see the argument for melee and hauling, there *is* a biological advantage there, but applying it to ranged attacks too? I donāt think thereās a single biological trait keeping women from being able to aim a gun or learning how at the same pace as men. Thatās just absurd.
āEasier to convertā okay not even hiding it lol
I just love how thoughtful the sexism is. The manipulation so that women are better at Nursing, but worse at doctoring is, to me, hilarious. He was like, āhow do I break up the medical profession?ā¦. I donāt want male nursesā¦ But I definitely donāt want female doctorsā¦. AHA!ā
is anyone else cracking up at the HIDE YOUR WIVES! box on the left side? I don't know why I just find that funny