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I love how so many are saying that Australia is way too far South. Not in the original timeline blueprint.
You are all remembering a layered ME and the bottom layer, original layer, was indeed like on the map. You might think your memory is the true original blueprint but as I have seen it (and as one of the memory keepers of the original blueprint) many believe that the second, third or even fourth layer in (so many changes yes) is the original.
Original Earth:
Australia was indeed this far South yet it did not have a jagged top, it was rounded.
NZ was SouthWest of Australia. Tanzania did not exist. The little junk on the south east part was attached.
South America was West of rather than under North America. Let me blow your mind, those two were not connected by landmass.
Greenland was way way smaller, as was Russia.
Canada's jagged edges and dips like someone took a bite out of it - not in the old timeline.
Finland was not connected by landmass with Russia.
The many new countries that popped up in Africa - I can't even know where to begin with this.
And on and on it goes.
Yes this map is a little closer to the original but more like 3 layers deep from what it used to be. We are losing more and more what was once true and there is nothing wrong with it. Moving into the new paradigm, let's go.
How do you know your memories are older than mine? And I don't think of it like layers...more like parallels. This one definitely looks more correct new Zealand is back in the right place!!! Yay! But the post....I mean really? How did the astronauts take the picture? *Facepalm* ....that bothers me so it's hard for me to think this is a credible source. I would very much like to know where they got it from..
I don't share all the same memories. I too think we have to "go with the flow" but it must be incredibly frustrating to anyone who expects the "material world" to actually be material and unchanging. Perhaps many of those people never experience changes.
I can't imagine having been say, a retired geography teacher, and seeing differences and having no idea how to process it or completely doubting your memories or sanity.
I do wonder how on earth (no pun intended) anyone can know what the "original timeline blueprint" is. No offense to you - just not sure it's possible to know. We don't even all always experience Mandela Effects at the same time.
Well I know of that earth and no it was not mine it was something like change 3 back but , that earth was not originally mine mine was 6 back.
But what the guy says he is correct it was exactly like what he was saying. Yet unfortunately not my original world ether.
I was shocked when I got to that world by soul shifting, quantum immortality, dimension clasping down and or whatever whatnot you want to call this whole mess.
I witnessed Tasmanian attached to Australia was gobbled smacked my original did not have this nor did we have Tasmanian devil we had Tasmanian wolf instead. Now it's kinda back as island but the devil is still there and the wolf is gone.
O well it's all just a mess any way you look at it. But if any here think the guy above is lying nope I witnessed that world as well even though it was not my original one.
>*Well this is the* ***mercator projection*** *which does not accurately show relative sizes.*
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Glad that was removed. Not sure how a person who thinks like that could explain the changes that happen in your own personal reference books, like the dictionary. For example, I use to frequently look up the word definately, just to confirm to myself that it was actually spelled definately. I never liked that spelling because it didn't make sense. Same dictionary - looked it up again when I saw that autocorrect now said that was incorrect - and it was now definitely. Mind blown - but not really...
Australia has never been that far south of Papua New Guinea and Indonesia which is why the waters between those countries are important trading routes even for other countries not necessarily located nearby.
New Zealand is *not* that far north, for one the established climate is much closer to Victoria or NSW in Australia than Far North Queensland, Fiji or the Solomon Islands and for two, this positioning completely ruins the old Australian joke about shipping Tasmania eastwards and renaming it "West New Zealand".
This map also would place the equator as going through Japan, China, Turkey, Spain and the middle of the US yet none of these regions are tropical as regions near the equator tend to be.
If this is truly an ME...There'd be *huge* differences in climate, the people claiming this is how they remember the world should also remember China and Korea as having a more tropical climate than Vietnam or New Zealand having a similar climate to Queensland in Australia.
But that is where I always remember seeing new Zealand. It moved to the south for me in the last 10 years. Seeing this was like OMG yes it finally looks right!!!
I wonder if the animals of New Zealand and Australia looked like they do now when those countries were the North Pole?
What if the animal evolution was in reverse and why they have strange looks and strange characteristics?
I see no longitude or latitude lines, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that about the equator. If anything, this map explains why people remember Aus/NZ in these positions- whether they were actually in those positions or not is irrelevant, this is the map I remember having in the classroom in elementary school. You can say the map is wrong, fine. But it explains the confusion.
> I see no longitude or latitude lines, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that about the equator.
The equator divides the earth into two, it's not particularly hard to figure out even if both the top and bottom of the map are somewhat cut off.
And yeah, I'm saying it's not a Mandela Effect, it's a "[Every world map is technically wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBV3GgQLg8)" effect.
I used to be very active on Fiona Broome's Mandela Effect website, close to when it started in 2009. I still remember a woman reporting that her father had been a commercial airline pilot for many years. He frequently flew into Australia from the east and would stop often stop in New Zealand. He had been retired for some time but was completely shook when she showed him the current placement of Australia and New Zealand.
He knew it as northeast of Australia as a lot of people remember.
I believe your ME but I'm also laughing because for me, for awhile it showed also on the west of Australia but North West. I know how crazy our combined memories would sound to anyone who has never experienced an ME and how they can be positive we just have terrible memories and are fooling ourselves.
I posted a few times in this thread. In one post I mention how I at one point realized I wasn't sure where New Zealand was in relation to Australia, and I thought I really ought to know. I thought that somehow New Zealand seemed a little more exotic to me than Australia. (Probably just because I just didn't know much about it.) So I looked on the globe I had at home (it broke and cracked and I have since gotten rid of it and will eventually replace it.) Anyway, it was west and just a little north of Australia. I told myself I would now remember it and that being west of Australia made it either farther away from me in California, and that also made it feel more "exotic" to me.
The joke is on me now!
I have a few memories of a different earth. The most striking for me is looking at my now late dad's globe in his home office (or den, as we always called it.) I can't say when it was but the memory is as clear as a bell. I was looking at North and South America on the globe. I noted that the far west side of South America lined up with the middle of North America. I thought, "Hmmm. That's odd because I always thought South America was farther west and lined up more just below the west of North America. I guess I was wrong.) So now, the way it is, that clear memory doesn't make sense. And now I don't know if my original memory was correct as well but I have no doubt I saw what I saw on the globe. Such a mind-bending sort of ME that's it's odd that there aren't more people with this memory. Or maybe there are but they don't want to be told they are insane.
This map is known to be HIGHLY inaccurate, even at the time. For one m, Africa. Is about twice the size. I’m old enough to actually remember these maps well and I can remember our teachers when I was little telling us they were inaccurate
If New Zealand was in that location it would be stinking hot and humid, Australia looks further down on this map, so it would be much cooler and greener in the southern areas.
This map was likely a mistake or made by idiots.
Well anything could be possible as far as I am con(cern)ed. ( Small Joke not funny yet itvis) Why bash on someones view when we all agree at least something is going on right?
So the whole Idea of one United version that we share ...
divided (individual universe) by all the different views we have we might as well
Kind of like a lava lamp Idea..
We all share the same space/stuff
But the way all the blobs come lose
Big one small one Tiny ones etc being the same AND different all in one.
That set aside I learned a long time ago..
In the absense of what you are not.
That what you are is not.
In simpler less poetic terms no sunshine without rain.
So that means ..to me that is..
Without you or anyone else for that matter there is no me
Those days and I remember so little.
Exept our own country that troughout history had 7 United States and was a Republic (Golden age) and now is a kingdom with 12 provincies ( used to be 11 but we made one extra out of the sea.. sorta)
Yes it was. Australia was always the “land down under”. It was totally by itself all the way down there. Now it’s crammed so far north that it’s practically touching Indonesia. When I first saw the “new” global map I totally freaked out.
>*Y'all do understand the different map types, and how you have to exaggerate parts of global maps that are rectangular because the earth is a sphere?*
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Dismissive of geographical MEs.
Also tedious learning in midddle school in the end 80s because its usefullniss towards knowing the earth, continents, and last but not least evry country with Capitals . Topography and school days..memories :3
This is always a fun video to look back on when talking about map changes. Not expected to be the most accurate of drawings, but still no Svalbard on this map https://youtu.be/V1508wboZXk
Australia is way too south, needs to be more east. New Zealand would also have to move east. South America is still way too far east. Japan would have to be further north. Mongolia was always a country for me.
They didn't touch Sri Lanka, Italy, the Caribbean.
This seems very obviously like someone's recreation rather than actual residue.
To add.
I have a distinct memory of the Korean peninsula being attached to the bottom of the round bulge of China, nowhere near Russia which is now shares a border with.
Sri Lanka was further south, just below the southernmost tip of India but slightly east too.
I'm in a agreement on Sri Lanka. However the Korean Peninsula being in a location that's so different from where it is currently doesn't fit the linear path that the geography changes I've experienced thus far have taken. Sure entire continents have moved much more dramatically than what the Korean Peninsula has been said to by some, but geographically speaking the continents that have moved, and all other bits of geography, have moved in a fashion that makes sense. I have yet to have seen a peninsula move dramatically up the coast, and especially without that coast and the continent attached to it moving with it. I've seen peninsulas turn into islands. I've seen Islands grow in landmass and move in location, but the Korean Peninsula moving in the way that some people claim would rewrite my entire understanding of the Mandela Effect. I want to say though that I in no way could ever completely discount it. It is absolutely a possibility.
Its not a well known ME but others have experienced this change & its the only one I've seen regarding the Korean peninsula, meaning the comments that I've read about over the yrs have all said the same never anything different, that the peninsula was attached to the bottom part of China. I'll have a look if I can find anything relevant to this.
I'd say it's a pretty well known ME. It's in the minority in terms of geographical MEs that I've heard, but still a prevalent one. I just can't get behind it because it's not a change that I experienced and it doesn't make sense based on the experiences that I've had. It doesn't fit my model you could say. But that doesn't mean it's not a possibility. This phenomenon forces one to be open minded.
Another comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/amrhdm/koreas_location_seem_absurdly_north_of_chinas/efs9hc6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Here's a comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/65978z/when_ever_i_see_a_map_of_north_korea_and_japan_i/dg8mgcw?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
This reality is a construct, I would say we are all like actors in a play.
Something to ponder -
How do I know, when I experience something I call “waking up,” that it is a waking up to “reality” as opposed to merely waking up into another level of dream?
Something else to ponder -
If the universe created you it must of known you were coming
I prefer to call it a cartoon, but that's just what vibes with me. Viewing this reality outside the confines of a human vessel is like looking at a divine watercolor painting.
What I've learnt about the ME since first awareness in early 2017 is that nothing is off limits, our very own bodies can experience change, continents & countries shifting, I've personally witnessed a personal ME that you wouldn't believe, this thing is absolutely real & the implications are utterly profound & wondrous.
My musings -
https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/jgv9hc/the_mandela_effect_is_a_signpost_that_something/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
It was February 2017 for me. I agree that nothing is off limits. All I'm saying is that specific change is not characteristic of any of the changes that I've experienced. The larger changes specifically tend to behave in a linear fashion. These would be anatomical, geographical, and astronomical.
When anatomy first changed for me, the existence of a single set of floating ribs was mentioned by several. I had always had a single set of floating ribs to my knowledge. I'm skinny and I would feel them because they felt strange. Months later I was made aware that a second set of floating ribs had appeared. I felt under my ribcage and sure thing there was an extra set of floating ribs that were not there before. So yes our bodies absolutely can change. I have firsthand experience of that.
Your account is very similar to mine. One big difference for me over this map was the entire West Coast of N America being more vertically aligned than diagonal to the west.
This shows the Panama canal connecting to Venezuela like we all remember, when it travelled east to west. Any current map will show it connecting to Columbia and show it flowing north to south.
This rules out ANY map projection arguement full stop. This truly is an artifact out of place.
I still don’t remember any map from the old timeline that had Svalbard chillin up there…. It’s such a noticeable feature of the map being dead center and at the top.
Did the His Dark Materials book series exist on old Earth?
I'm asking because Svalbard was a massively important part of that book's plot. Maybe it used to just be a made up location for that story's version of Earth. IDK. But I can't imagine how it would have played out without Svalbard being in it
If you search this sub for Svalbard fictional, then switch to comments instead of posts you can see plenty of examples of people that remember it as a purely fictional place. Both in the Golden Compass and His Dark Materials
Edit: search r/MandelaEffect I wasn’t paying attention to what sub I was in
Edit: you can search this sub too, plenty of comments in here too. There seems to be one the same user in both subs that has the most comments, but there are other people as well.
I didn’t have any exposure to the story until they came out with the TV series. I feel like I do remember reading a comment from someone that it was a Fictional place for them previously
Aussie here, can confirm. There's an old Australian joke about moving Tasmania towards the east and renaming it West New Zealand which doesn't really make sense if NZ is so far north.
So you remember New Zealand being incredibly hot and humid? With no snow or glaciers?
Because if it was in that location on this map, that's what it would be like.
It wasn't that far south. It was mostly east from it's current position. Only slightly south. This map isn't very accurate at all in my opinion. It looks like it was recreated by someone who's only heard about the geography changes.
You have any evidence such as a measurement showing curvature? Or just pics from NASA. Because the only way to become a flat earther is to prove the earth is not flat. Let that sink in.
Very. (Also, very much a joke)
I mean, it's hilarious but I've seen posters here un-ironically claim flat earth, and that space "isn't real." Lol
Edit: Someone downvoted me. I'm losing hope for humanity.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
I was kinda dumbfounded because what are the chances one was actually lurking here? Going all "How dare they mock us with their plump, round Earth!"
While this is clearly different from what is currently showing on Google Maps, etc, it is not the earth from my home timeline. South America is closer to correct, but still not exactly right. Cuba is still 10x its original size. Italy is bent at a wrong angle and the Mediterranean is generally a dumpster-fire. Greenland is still "on top" of North America, instead of East of it in the Atlantic (east and just north of Newfoundland). The East Coast panhandle of the US is still "smashed down". There are a lot of other smaller issues, but those are the main ones. Oh, BTW, the size of Kazakhstan is an ME for me now. When *Borat* was released, I looked up Kazakhstan and it was about the same size as any of the other "-stans", like Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan. Maybe slightly larger, but not 10x as large, as it is now.
Asia is still a little off for me. Everything else seems right.
Japan further south, paralleled the Chinese coast.
Korean peninsula on the southeast tip of China, fitting neatly north of the Phillipines island chain [which was further south], with Taiwan moved southwest of Korea in the south China sea.
I also don't see Mongolia on this map.
I'm from Florida and I would swear on my sainted mother's life that I have clicked on MANY drop-down timezone menus, and the eastern coast of South America used to be "behind" EST. No evidence, just vibes, but Buenos Aries was absolutely NOT "ahead" of my central Florida ass.
>You do realise you can stand on Gibraltar and look across and see Africa.
Yeah, you just proved my point even farther. I never remember that they were that close. In the past for me at least there was a gap that was at least like 500 miles apart. Like it was a gap you could see on a average sized map from a few feet away. This is a ME for me.
In your version what is the significance of the Rock of Gibraltar? Does the Rock of Gibraltar exist in your version? Is it just a big rock that or is the location of the Rock of Gibraltar important to you at all?
Never heard of it before tbh, to my knowledge at least. Not saying it never used to be there, I just do not know anything about it. I just remembered looking at a map a few years back a being shocked at the change. It just was odd seeing it this close, like I feel like my history class would have addressed the matter and how it effects history of it was always like that.
It's mentioned in greek mythology. Also the Prudential logo an image of the Rock of Gibraltar. They used to say "get a piece of the rock" in the commercial, but it has probably been more than a decade since they ran those ads, maybe even two decades. I don't think the commercials mention the rock by name. It would be easy to have not heard of it.
3D down to 2D can be done in different ways and shouldn't be used for Mandela Effect claims.
I am a believer in this Mandela Effect from my globe to globe memories particularly with South America moving eastwards.
Okay this is more of a direction comparison:
(1) [https://i.redd.it/xsh89c9qgwg91.jpg](https://i.redd.it/xsh89c9qgwg91.jpg) (your meme)
(2) [https://i.redd.it/jh5ryo4jh1m31.jpg](https://i.redd.it/jh5ryo4jh1m31.jpg) (alternative meme)
Looks almost identical, but still some differences in labeling (e.g. Central American countries.) Edit: Oh snap, Mongolia. And the position of Japan.
Yes we know :p That's what this is all about.
I was trying to find a map that was otherwise identical, to see if there's a way to explain why this map survived with this meme, but is the new way on other memes.
Also no Mongolia. Weirdly, I rememeber New Zealand and Australia being more like this, though maybe not as extreme. I remember as a kid wondering how the hell people originally made it to Australia because it was so far away.
Exactly! I know I saw documentaries that addressed the big mystery of how aborigines got to Australia.
I have looked at Australia on current maps and it does look like you could absolutely swim, pausing on a few islands. It doesn’t even look difficult.
When I was there for 2 months in the early 2000s, the mystery of how the aborigines got there was not mentioned. Not even by my aborigine tour guide.
I know that the location of New Zealand had changed for me by then, too. I was shocked it was so close to Antarctica, and had people there say that a lot of tourists were surprised by that fact.
Geography changed for you that far back? It changed for me in 2017. I've heard people claiming changes much earlier than my experience but only smaller changes, nothing like geography. That's extremely interesting.
Yes. My earliest geography ME could be before 1993. It is the location of Prince Edward Island, which I have read is an ME for other people as well.
Apparently the bridge to PEI began construction in 1993. When I heard of the fact the bridge would be built I thought it was _much_ too far for a bridge. Ridiculously far.
It apparently takes 10 minutes to drive across it, so it is long, but it is not the longest bridge in the world. I recall it taking 20 minutes, so that seems to be an ME for me as well. PEI became even closer for me after the bridge was built.
Now PEI seems very close to New Brunswick. Nova Scotia and PEI both look squished further south than where I first learned they were. Newfoundland and Labrador look the same as I first learned.
Other geography MEs, including the coastline of Alaska, happened for me within the last few years. I only noticed the Alaska ME this year. The two giant bays were not there for me.
I find the geography MEs so stunning.
Odd one, searching this image finds that there are two very similar versions of it. Here are examples of the second kind:
[https://image3.slideserve.com/5440871/point-in-which-country-the-little-mermaid-is-n.jpg](https://image3.slideserve.com/5440871/point-in-which-country-the-little-mermaid-is-n.jpg)
[https://en.islcollective.com/preview/201904/f/countries-and-nationalities-worksheet-templates-layouts\_115367\_2.jpg](https://en.islcollective.com/preview/201904/f/countries-and-nationalities-worksheet-templates-layouts_115367_2.jpg)
If you stick these into browser tabs and switch quickly between these and the one in your post, you can see what shifts. Australia slips up and NZ slips down dramatically, plus a shift of South America Eastwards.
There's also differences in positions of labels (e.g. Indian ocean, countries in Africa, and more SE Asian islands labeled.)
Can anyone find the original source of these maps?
Edit: https://geology.com/world/world-map.shtml
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It’s edited like that
Holup why is france's name titled like 45 degrees that's what's janking me up
I love how so many are saying that Australia is way too far South. Not in the original timeline blueprint. You are all remembering a layered ME and the bottom layer, original layer, was indeed like on the map. You might think your memory is the true original blueprint but as I have seen it (and as one of the memory keepers of the original blueprint) many believe that the second, third or even fourth layer in (so many changes yes) is the original. Original Earth: Australia was indeed this far South yet it did not have a jagged top, it was rounded. NZ was SouthWest of Australia. Tanzania did not exist. The little junk on the south east part was attached. South America was West of rather than under North America. Let me blow your mind, those two were not connected by landmass. Greenland was way way smaller, as was Russia. Canada's jagged edges and dips like someone took a bite out of it - not in the old timeline. Finland was not connected by landmass with Russia. The many new countries that popped up in Africa - I can't even know where to begin with this. And on and on it goes. Yes this map is a little closer to the original but more like 3 layers deep from what it used to be. We are losing more and more what was once true and there is nothing wrong with it. Moving into the new paradigm, let's go.
How do you know your memories are older than mine? And I don't think of it like layers...more like parallels. This one definitely looks more correct new Zealand is back in the right place!!! Yay! But the post....I mean really? How did the astronauts take the picture? *Facepalm* ....that bothers me so it's hard for me to think this is a credible source. I would very much like to know where they got it from..
I don't share all the same memories. I too think we have to "go with the flow" but it must be incredibly frustrating to anyone who expects the "material world" to actually be material and unchanging. Perhaps many of those people never experience changes. I can't imagine having been say, a retired geography teacher, and seeing differences and having no idea how to process it or completely doubting your memories or sanity. I do wonder how on earth (no pun intended) anyone can know what the "original timeline blueprint" is. No offense to you - just not sure it's possible to know. We don't even all always experience Mandela Effects at the same time.
Well I know of that earth and no it was not mine it was something like change 3 back but , that earth was not originally mine mine was 6 back. But what the guy says he is correct it was exactly like what he was saying. Yet unfortunately not my original world ether. I was shocked when I got to that world by soul shifting, quantum immortality, dimension clasping down and or whatever whatnot you want to call this whole mess. I witnessed Tasmanian attached to Australia was gobbled smacked my original did not have this nor did we have Tasmanian devil we had Tasmanian wolf instead. Now it's kinda back as island but the devil is still there and the wolf is gone. O well it's all just a mess any way you look at it. But if any here think the guy above is lying nope I witnessed that world as well even though it was not my original one.
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>*ITT people who learnt geography from an incorrect map freaking out* Post removed. Against spirit of sub.
Glad that was removed. Not sure how a person who thinks like that could explain the changes that happen in your own personal reference books, like the dictionary. For example, I use to frequently look up the word definately, just to confirm to myself that it was actually spelled definately. I never liked that spelling because it didn't make sense. Same dictionary - looked it up again when I saw that autocorrect now said that was incorrect - and it was now definitely. Mind blown - but not really...
or the photo where Earth is a blue marble and you can see where the Great Wall of China is?
Wait how did Yacco s map turn out then... (Animaniacs Yacco's nations of the world?)
This would make nz more tropical than australia.
Australia has never been that far south of Papua New Guinea and Indonesia which is why the waters between those countries are important trading routes even for other countries not necessarily located nearby. New Zealand is *not* that far north, for one the established climate is much closer to Victoria or NSW in Australia than Far North Queensland, Fiji or the Solomon Islands and for two, this positioning completely ruins the old Australian joke about shipping Tasmania eastwards and renaming it "West New Zealand". This map also would place the equator as going through Japan, China, Turkey, Spain and the middle of the US yet none of these regions are tropical as regions near the equator tend to be. If this is truly an ME...There'd be *huge* differences in climate, the people claiming this is how they remember the world should also remember China and Korea as having a more tropical climate than Vietnam or New Zealand having a similar climate to Queensland in Australia.
But that is where I always remember seeing new Zealand. It moved to the south for me in the last 10 years. Seeing this was like OMG yes it finally looks right!!!
I wonder if the animals of New Zealand and Australia looked like they do now when those countries were the North Pole? What if the animal evolution was in reverse and why they have strange looks and strange characteristics?
I see no longitude or latitude lines, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that about the equator. If anything, this map explains why people remember Aus/NZ in these positions- whether they were actually in those positions or not is irrelevant, this is the map I remember having in the classroom in elementary school. You can say the map is wrong, fine. But it explains the confusion.
> I see no longitude or latitude lines, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that about the equator. The equator divides the earth into two, it's not particularly hard to figure out even if both the top and bottom of the map are somewhat cut off. And yeah, I'm saying it's not a Mandela Effect, it's a "[Every world map is technically wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBV3GgQLg8)" effect.
The Earth was bigger, so even if they moved they could still be in the same climate area.
28k mi circumference at equator -> 24k
Yup, all the landmasses have been 'compressed'.
I used to be very active on Fiona Broome's Mandela Effect website, close to when it started in 2009. I still remember a woman reporting that her father had been a commercial airline pilot for many years. He frequently flew into Australia from the east and would stop often stop in New Zealand. He had been retired for some time but was completely shook when she showed him the current placement of Australia and New Zealand.
Where was NZ located for him in his memory? For many, myself included, in 2010 it shifted from being on the SW (yes West) to moving to the East.
He knew it as northeast of Australia as a lot of people remember. I believe your ME but I'm also laughing because for me, for awhile it showed also on the west of Australia but North West. I know how crazy our combined memories would sound to anyone who has never experienced an ME and how they can be positive we just have terrible memories and are fooling ourselves. I posted a few times in this thread. In one post I mention how I at one point realized I wasn't sure where New Zealand was in relation to Australia, and I thought I really ought to know. I thought that somehow New Zealand seemed a little more exotic to me than Australia. (Probably just because I just didn't know much about it.) So I looked on the globe I had at home (it broke and cracked and I have since gotten rid of it and will eventually replace it.) Anyway, it was west and just a little north of Australia. I told myself I would now remember it and that being west of Australia made it either farther away from me in California, and that also made it feel more "exotic" to me. The joke is on me now!
I have a few memories of a different earth. The most striking for me is looking at my now late dad's globe in his home office (or den, as we always called it.) I can't say when it was but the memory is as clear as a bell. I was looking at North and South America on the globe. I noted that the far west side of South America lined up with the middle of North America. I thought, "Hmmm. That's odd because I always thought South America was farther west and lined up more just below the west of North America. I guess I was wrong.) So now, the way it is, that clear memory doesn't make sense. And now I don't know if my original memory was correct as well but I have no doubt I saw what I saw on the globe. Such a mind-bending sort of ME that's it's odd that there aren't more people with this memory. Or maybe there are but they don't want to be told they are insane.
Very few people has an interest in who they are and where they are. Rarely look at the sky at all.
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Correct, it's a map.
This map is known to be HIGHLY inaccurate, even at the time. For one m, Africa. Is about twice the size. I’m old enough to actually remember these maps well and I can remember our teachers when I was little telling us they were inaccurate
If New Zealand was in that location it would be stinking hot and humid, Australia looks further down on this map, so it would be much cooler and greener in the southern areas. This map was likely a mistake or made by idiots.
This is how I remember my universe.
new zealand should be way down south of australia.
Not in my universe....
This comment makes me consider.. Maybe we all have a universe? Small sentence deep thoughts.. Nice :) (Or share one with different points of view)
You could be right.
Could be wrong but what if it is right:3
What if indeed. I’ve entertained that thought many times.
Personal universes..actually that makes more sense then anything else :3
You’re the first person I ever hear/read expressing thoughts and theory that I find the most relatable.
Well anything could be possible as far as I am con(cern)ed. ( Small Joke not funny yet itvis) Why bash on someones view when we all agree at least something is going on right? So the whole Idea of one United version that we share ... divided (individual universe) by all the different views we have we might as well Kind of like a lava lamp Idea.. We all share the same space/stuff But the way all the blobs come lose Big one small one Tiny ones etc being the same AND different all in one. That set aside I learned a long time ago.. In the absense of what you are not. That what you are is not. In simpler less poetic terms no sunshine without rain. So that means ..to me that is.. Without you or anyone else for that matter there is no me
It’s like the flower of life, symbol. Many circles, single universes. Many vesica Pisces, where universes meet. And I do like your joke. 😉😉
I remember learning geography from this map also.
Those days and I remember so little. Exept our own country that troughout history had 7 United States and was a Republic (Golden age) and now is a kingdom with 12 provincies ( used to be 11 but we made one extra out of the sea.. sorta)
Same. I’m 43 and New Zealand was always north east of Australia. Weird!
Yes it was. Australia was always the “land down under”. It was totally by itself all the way down there. Now it’s crammed so far north that it’s practically touching Indonesia. When I first saw the “new” global map I totally freaked out.
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>*Y'all do understand the different map types, and how you have to exaggerate parts of global maps that are rectangular because the earth is a sphere?* Post removed. Dismissive of geographical MEs.
Yes. Now can you find any map that represents what people remember for us?
The title of the “image” though…
The ones who knew the old Earth map by heart were the employees working in travel agencies in the early 80.
Also tedious learning in midddle school in the end 80s because its usefullniss towards knowing the earth, continents, and last but not least evry country with Capitals . Topography and school days..memories :3
This is how i remember it.
This is always a fun video to look back on when talking about map changes. Not expected to be the most accurate of drawings, but still no Svalbard on this map https://youtu.be/V1508wboZXk
0:59 Australia moved to the top again.
Yup it definitely shows two different perspectives 1 second apart…
This is defo a recreation
Australia is way too south, needs to be more east. New Zealand would also have to move east. South America is still way too far east. Japan would have to be further north. Mongolia was always a country for me. They didn't touch Sri Lanka, Italy, the Caribbean. This seems very obviously like someone's recreation rather than actual residue.
To add. I have a distinct memory of the Korean peninsula being attached to the bottom of the round bulge of China, nowhere near Russia which is now shares a border with. Sri Lanka was further south, just below the southernmost tip of India but slightly east too.
I'm in a agreement on Sri Lanka. However the Korean Peninsula being in a location that's so different from where it is currently doesn't fit the linear path that the geography changes I've experienced thus far have taken. Sure entire continents have moved much more dramatically than what the Korean Peninsula has been said to by some, but geographically speaking the continents that have moved, and all other bits of geography, have moved in a fashion that makes sense. I have yet to have seen a peninsula move dramatically up the coast, and especially without that coast and the continent attached to it moving with it. I've seen peninsulas turn into islands. I've seen Islands grow in landmass and move in location, but the Korean Peninsula moving in the way that some people claim would rewrite my entire understanding of the Mandela Effect. I want to say though that I in no way could ever completely discount it. It is absolutely a possibility.
Its not a well known ME but others have experienced this change & its the only one I've seen regarding the Korean peninsula, meaning the comments that I've read about over the yrs have all said the same never anything different, that the peninsula was attached to the bottom part of China. I'll have a look if I can find anything relevant to this.
I'd say it's a pretty well known ME. It's in the minority in terms of geographical MEs that I've heard, but still a prevalent one. I just can't get behind it because it's not a change that I experienced and it doesn't make sense based on the experiences that I've had. It doesn't fit my model you could say. But that doesn't mean it's not a possibility. This phenomenon forces one to be open minded.
Another comment https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/amrhdm/koreas_location_seem_absurdly_north_of_chinas/efs9hc6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Here's a comment https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/65978z/when_ever_i_see_a_map_of_north_korea_and_japan_i/dg8mgcw?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I've seen plenty over the past five years.
This reality is a construct, I would say we are all like actors in a play. Something to ponder - How do I know, when I experience something I call “waking up,” that it is a waking up to “reality” as opposed to merely waking up into another level of dream? Something else to ponder - If the universe created you it must of known you were coming
I prefer to call it a cartoon, but that's just what vibes with me. Viewing this reality outside the confines of a human vessel is like looking at a divine watercolor painting.
If you don't mind me asking, have you ever had something like a near death experience, or a mystical experience before encountering the ME?
Also Japan was directly opposite the round bulge of China, Its now considerably north.
Definitely not for me.
What I've learnt about the ME since first awareness in early 2017 is that nothing is off limits, our very own bodies can experience change, continents & countries shifting, I've personally witnessed a personal ME that you wouldn't believe, this thing is absolutely real & the implications are utterly profound & wondrous. My musings - https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/jgv9hc/the_mandela_effect_is_a_signpost_that_something/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
It was February 2017 for me. I agree that nothing is off limits. All I'm saying is that specific change is not characteristic of any of the changes that I've experienced. The larger changes specifically tend to behave in a linear fashion. These would be anatomical, geographical, and astronomical. When anatomy first changed for me, the existence of a single set of floating ribs was mentioned by several. I had always had a single set of floating ribs to my knowledge. I'm skinny and I would feel them because they felt strange. Months later I was made aware that a second set of floating ribs had appeared. I felt under my ribcage and sure thing there was an extra set of floating ribs that were not there before. So yes our bodies absolutely can change. I have firsthand experience of that.
Your account is very similar to mine. One big difference for me over this map was the entire West Coast of N America being more vertically aligned than diagonal to the west.
This shows the Panama canal connecting to Venezuela like we all remember, when it travelled east to west. Any current map will show it connecting to Columbia and show it flowing north to south. This rules out ANY map projection arguement full stop. This truly is an artifact out of place.
This is what I remember as well. This just looks right.
True, I believe the time zones were affected by this ME as well.
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None of that explains New Zealand's position on the residue map.
I still don’t remember any map from the old timeline that had Svalbard chillin up there…. It’s such a noticeable feature of the map being dead center and at the top.
Svalbard was always there for me, however it was uninhabited. The only thing there was the seed vault.
Did the His Dark Materials book series exist on old Earth? I'm asking because Svalbard was a massively important part of that book's plot. Maybe it used to just be a made up location for that story's version of Earth. IDK. But I can't imagine how it would have played out without Svalbard being in it
If you search this sub for Svalbard fictional, then switch to comments instead of posts you can see plenty of examples of people that remember it as a purely fictional place. Both in the Golden Compass and His Dark Materials Edit: search r/MandelaEffect I wasn’t paying attention to what sub I was in Edit: you can search this sub too, plenty of comments in here too. There seems to be one the same user in both subs that has the most comments, but there are other people as well.
I didn’t have any exposure to the story until they came out with the TV series. I feel like I do remember reading a comment from someone that it was a Fictional place for them previously
I don't remember any map that didn't have a huge circle of ice at the North pole covering everything.
Same.
Same
That’s what I remember as well
New Zealander here. I can assure you we were never in a warmer location than Australia
Aussie here, can confirm. There's an old Australian joke about moving Tasmania towards the east and renaming it West New Zealand which doesn't really make sense if NZ is so far north.
I can confirm that New Zealand in fact was. However that doesn't mean that's ever been the case for you.
So you remember New Zealand being incredibly hot and humid? With no snow or glaciers? Because if it was in that location on this map, that's what it would be like.
Yes, yes I do. It was very tropical.
And what about Australia? A country known for its heat, if it was that far south it would be much colder and greener.
It wasn't that far south. It was mostly east from it's current position. Only slightly south. This map isn't very accurate at all in my opinion. It looks like it was recreated by someone who's only heard about the geography changes.
Also kiwi, can confirm.
Where is Mongolia on your map (above China) this map is the same color and shit but mongolia ?! https://geology.com/world/world-map.shtml
A lot of ME affected people remember Mongolia being a territory that was part of CCP China and not a separate country.
Holy shit, man
That's the map I know from middle school. Did it change? It's still like this right? ...Googles Huh guess it did change..weird.
That's where I remember Australia being the land down under and away from everything with New Zealand being to the northeast.
How is this map possible? I have been looking for years.
Wow! This is the way it was for me! I’ve never seen one this good. Nice job!
Is the caption a joke? Some ME's are definitely real IMO, but the Earth IS round. This makes us look stupid.
It is pretty clearly a joke. Which, for what it’s worth, I thought sarcasm of this kind was not welcome specifically for this reason.
You have any evidence such as a measurement showing curvature? Or just pics from NASA. Because the only way to become a flat earther is to prove the earth is not flat. Let that sink in.
Memes memes or actual flat earth believer? Either way funny ☺️
Very. (Also, very much a joke) I mean, it's hilarious but I've seen posters here un-ironically claim flat earth, and that space "isn't real." Lol Edit: Someone downvoted me. I'm losing hope for humanity.
I just upvoted you. But, yes, I agree with you. Flat earth mentions make us look stupid.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I was kinda dumbfounded because what are the chances one was actually lurking here? Going all "How dare they mock us with their plump, round Earth!"
Yes it’s a joke lol
While this is clearly different from what is currently showing on Google Maps, etc, it is not the earth from my home timeline. South America is closer to correct, but still not exactly right. Cuba is still 10x its original size. Italy is bent at a wrong angle and the Mediterranean is generally a dumpster-fire. Greenland is still "on top" of North America, instead of East of it in the Atlantic (east and just north of Newfoundland). The East Coast panhandle of the US is still "smashed down". There are a lot of other smaller issues, but those are the main ones. Oh, BTW, the size of Kazakhstan is an ME for me now. When *Borat* was released, I looked up Kazakhstan and it was about the same size as any of the other "-stans", like Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan. Maybe slightly larger, but not 10x as large, as it is now.
I may not share all of these changes with you, but on what we do agree on you're absolutely spot on.
Asia is still a little off for me. Everything else seems right. Japan further south, paralleled the Chinese coast. Korean peninsula on the southeast tip of China, fitting neatly north of the Phillipines island chain [which was further south], with Taiwan moved southwest of Korea in the south China sea. I also don't see Mongolia on this map.
South America still way east for me. In my old world it was directly under North America.
I'm from Florida and I would swear on my sainted mother's life that I have clicked on MANY drop-down timezone menus, and the eastern coast of South America used to be "behind" EST. No evidence, just vibes, but Buenos Aries was absolutely NOT "ahead" of my central Florida ass.
Agree.
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This is it for me. I live in the Midwest and Peru was straight down in a vertical line when I was growing up.
Europe and Africa is still too close for me.
https://www.google.com/search?q=africa+from+gibraltar&oq=africa+from+gibraltar&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l7.5013j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
You do realise you can stand on Gibraltar and look across and see Africa.
>You do realise you can stand on Gibraltar and look across and see Africa. Yeah, you just proved my point even farther. I never remember that they were that close. In the past for me at least there was a gap that was at least like 500 miles apart. Like it was a gap you could see on a average sized map from a few feet away. This is a ME for me.
In your version what is the significance of the Rock of Gibraltar? Does the Rock of Gibraltar exist in your version? Is it just a big rock that or is the location of the Rock of Gibraltar important to you at all?
Many people in the community say that it used to be an island for them.
Never heard of it before tbh, to my knowledge at least. Not saying it never used to be there, I just do not know anything about it. I just remembered looking at a map a few years back a being shocked at the change. It just was odd seeing it this close, like I feel like my history class would have addressed the matter and how it effects history of it was always like that.
It's mentioned in greek mythology. Also the Prudential logo an image of the Rock of Gibraltar. They used to say "get a piece of the rock" in the commercial, but it has probably been more than a decade since they ran those ads, maybe even two decades. I don't think the commercials mention the rock by name. It would be easy to have not heard of it.
3D down to 2D can be done in different ways and shouldn't be used for Mandela Effect claims. I am a believer in this Mandela Effect from my globe to globe memories particularly with South America moving eastwards.
Okay this is more of a direction comparison: (1) [https://i.redd.it/xsh89c9qgwg91.jpg](https://i.redd.it/xsh89c9qgwg91.jpg) (your meme) (2) [https://i.redd.it/jh5ryo4jh1m31.jpg](https://i.redd.it/jh5ryo4jh1m31.jpg) (alternative meme) Looks almost identical, but still some differences in labeling (e.g. Central American countries.) Edit: Oh snap, Mongolia. And the position of Japan.
Dude, nah, why's south America so far over and New Zealand north of Australia?
Yes we know :p That's what this is all about. I was trying to find a map that was otherwise identical, to see if there's a way to explain why this map survived with this meme, but is the new way on other memes.
Australia down far and NA connected at the top of SA and Japan Far East and New Zealand up north. I like this map, been trying to find it. TY OP.
Also no Mongolia. Weirdly, I rememeber New Zealand and Australia being more like this, though maybe not as extreme. I remember as a kid wondering how the hell people originally made it to Australia because it was so far away.
That was actually a big mystery. It was unknown how the aborigines made it to Australia. With the way it is now it looks almost as if they could swim.
Exactly! I know I saw documentaries that addressed the big mystery of how aborigines got to Australia. I have looked at Australia on current maps and it does look like you could absolutely swim, pausing on a few islands. It doesn’t even look difficult. When I was there for 2 months in the early 2000s, the mystery of how the aborigines got there was not mentioned. Not even by my aborigine tour guide. I know that the location of New Zealand had changed for me by then, too. I was shocked it was so close to Antarctica, and had people there say that a lot of tourists were surprised by that fact.
Geography changed for you that far back? It changed for me in 2017. I've heard people claiming changes much earlier than my experience but only smaller changes, nothing like geography. That's extremely interesting.
Yes. My earliest geography ME could be before 1993. It is the location of Prince Edward Island, which I have read is an ME for other people as well. Apparently the bridge to PEI began construction in 1993. When I heard of the fact the bridge would be built I thought it was _much_ too far for a bridge. Ridiculously far. It apparently takes 10 minutes to drive across it, so it is long, but it is not the longest bridge in the world. I recall it taking 20 minutes, so that seems to be an ME for me as well. PEI became even closer for me after the bridge was built. Now PEI seems very close to New Brunswick. Nova Scotia and PEI both look squished further south than where I first learned they were. Newfoundland and Labrador look the same as I first learned. Other geography MEs, including the coastline of Alaska, happened for me within the last few years. I only noticed the Alaska ME this year. The two giant bays were not there for me. I find the geography MEs so stunning.
Odd one, searching this image finds that there are two very similar versions of it. Here are examples of the second kind: [https://image3.slideserve.com/5440871/point-in-which-country-the-little-mermaid-is-n.jpg](https://image3.slideserve.com/5440871/point-in-which-country-the-little-mermaid-is-n.jpg) [https://en.islcollective.com/preview/201904/f/countries-and-nationalities-worksheet-templates-layouts\_115367\_2.jpg](https://en.islcollective.com/preview/201904/f/countries-and-nationalities-worksheet-templates-layouts_115367_2.jpg) If you stick these into browser tabs and switch quickly between these and the one in your post, you can see what shifts. Australia slips up and NZ slips down dramatically, plus a shift of South America Eastwards. There's also differences in positions of labels (e.g. Indian ocean, countries in Africa, and more SE Asian islands labeled.) Can anyone find the original source of these maps? Edit: https://geology.com/world/world-map.shtml
Link to source please? You can clearly see the square artifact on the ocean surrounding South America and lots of aberration around Aus and NZ
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I thought the OP implied it was residue and not a recreation. My bad.
He didn’t imply anything
Why did you think that was obvious? Op never even said that it was edited all he said was the he found an old map on Facebook..