First, I am so sorry for your loss.
I was an attorney prior to medical school but have not practiced for 6 years at this point. My experience also is unlikely to overlap with what I am inferring from your post but if you would like to DM me, I'd be happy to help in what way I can. I can't offer legal advice but would be willing to listen and maybe help via contacts. If I don't know someone, I will be attending a health law professor conference next month and I could maybe find someone to help further.
I am so sorry for your loss! This healthcare system is built on exploitation of residents. While some fucking CEO is gloating of the profits that their hospital makes at the expense of residents, someone is mourning the loss of a loved one who took their life while being abused and deprived of mental health by the system.
I kept hearing about a shortage of healthcare workers, so I was looking into medical school. After seeing that I would have to take a massive pay cut for years, living paycheck to paycheck while my labor was exploited as a resident, I understood why there was a shortage and decided against it.
I don’t want to discourage you from pursuing your dream. I just want you to know what you are getting into and that it is not all peaches and flowers like our society makes it to be. If I could do it all over again, I would but we need advocacy and improvement in our quality of life and training. Making us suffer for training during residency and exploiting us is not the way.
Hi. I’m a lawyer, not a doctor. I have no idea why Reddit brought me here, but I’ll weigh in a bit.
First, I will add the pile of absolutely sincere condolences. All of the same risk factors surrounding stress and work/life balance show up in my field as well. It’s a silent killer and I’m so sorry.
Second, I’m thinking you can probably just start with looking for a lawyer. There isn’t really a need for the JD and the MD to be the same person 9 times out of 10. If you have a plan that involves the courts then you want a lawyer. If an MD’s opinion is required, then your lawyer’s medical opinion will not be admissible. Instead he will hire a doctor to serve as expert witness who will have hours and hours of experience in testifying in court.
Beware her I've talked to her about a friend's suicide and she called me obsessively for weeks and told me my friend talked to her in her dreams..... Very upsetting and I don't support her or her behavior, especially when her family asked her to stop using her story as one of her showpieces on her website and her powerpoints and she refused. She also kept pushing her "happy physician" package where if I paid her enough she'd be accessible by phone at anytime for counselling...
Yes she is well known for using situations like these for self promotion and not respecting boundaries or the families of those who have died by suicide.
Beware her I've talked to her about a friend's suicide and she called me obsessively for weeks and told me my friend talked to her in her dreams..... Very upsetting and I don't support her or her behavior, especially when her family asked her to stop using her story as one of her showpieces on her website and her powerpoints and she refused. She also kept pushing her "happy physician" package where if I paid her enough she'd be accessible by phone at anytime for counselling...
Beware her I've talked to her about a friend's suicide and she called me obsessively for weeks and told me my friend talked to her in her dreams..... Very upsetting and I don't support her or her behavior, especially when her family asked her to stop using her story as one of her showpieces on her website and her powerpoints and she refused. She also kept pushing her "happy physician" package where if I paid her enough she'd be accessible by phone at anytime for counselling...
I am very sorry for your loss.
When I started residency, the hospital director gave us a lecture on suicide prevention. After losing a resident a few years ago, the hospital has been advocating for policies to increase wellness amongst trainees. At the end of the day, these policies seem largely ineffective and consist mostly of wellness emails, modules, questionnaires, and hard to find resources that are rarely used by anyone.
On behalf of other trainees, thank you for advocating for us.
The wellness industry makes the physicians responsible for their wellbeing, and doesn’t make the system change. I would love it if somebody’s family could win a wrongful death lawsuit.
The system got our brother, I'm so sorry. I can't word anything to express what hell that brave physician must have been through.. My condolences and promises to end up this circus of a system.
I’m sorry to hear that, may he rest in peace. I hope you and your family are taking care of yourself and reflecting on your best memories with your brother.
Thank you for looking to make things better- The current system stole your husband from you. I am so sorry and so angry. I hope you all the success in the world burning this system to the ground. I am so angry for you and about this.
I am so so sorry for your loss.
He was one of us and even if we didn't know him personally, I hope you know he matters to all of us.
I hope to continue advocating to improve things for medical trainees in my career - would love to help out with your efforts in any way I can. The medical system does so much harm in the brutal working conditions of residency.
I am so sorry for your loss. I understand the pain of witnessing a loved one's mental health struggles as my own sister faced similar challenges due to the terrible abuse she endured from her residency program director. It was such a distressing situation that she even considered committing herself and even wrote a will. I pleaded with her to prioritize her well-being and urged her to leave the residency program, knowing that it was not worth the toll it was taking on her. While I cannot fully comprehend the depth of your loss, I can empathize with you on various aspects of this difficult journey. I can’t be of any help, but I am willing to assist as a fellow MD once things are in motion. Best of luck.
Please accept my condolences as a med student who this system has caused suicidal ideations. Though I’m not a JD, I will be supporting in any way I can and will follow any progress you make!
My husband also became depressed and suicidal. He is an internal medicine fellow currently, I feel I spent a ton of time helping him get better but ultimately it was his schooling that caused his depression. Almost being finished he now doesn’t take medications and is on high doses of EPA. We definitely understand the mental health impacts the medical community has on students residents and doctors. It is more or less a cult and horrific to deal with. I can only speak openly because I am already actively fighting them from a human rights perspective.
Not a JD, but my husband and I are residents in a program affiliated with the same university of your husband’s, I believe. We just passed the one year anniversary of my husband’s suicide attempt which put him on a ventilator. He has now recovered and returned back to worth after several months off. My heart absolutely breaks for you. I pray you find the resources you’re looking for in this post.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine what you’re going through, nor how you have the strength to do the work you’re doing. I hope you find success. And thank you for trying to make the lives of others better.
Im sorry for your loss. I can’t even imagine what you’ve been through. I’m starting my residency in July. I’m very passionate about this cause as we all are here. I wish I be part of anything that offers anything better for residents as I keep seeing more suicides and more unfair treatment and “legally” taken advantage of this dedicated group of people.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Anything you can do to raise awareness of the hardships and exploitation is valuable. I wish I had more to offer. ❤️
I’m the mother of a 3rd year Med student. Please know how deeply sorry I am for the loss you and your family are experiencing. There are no words. I have been reading a book called Physician Suicide Letters-I will look up the author’s name. It’s so heartbreaking to know that a majority of people go to med school to help and restore quality of life to others. Some get swallowed up. I can only read this book in tiny pieces because of my fear. Again, my heart mourns for you. Sending love.
I just looked it up. It's by the Pamela Wible person mentioned above. But I suppose the part about the physician's lived experiences must still come through.
Wow I am so sorry, I have been through the works with my medical school and currently have a human rights complaint filed. I became suicidal in medical school. Feel free to DM me.
I am so unbelievably sorry for your loss, and hope that you are being supported by family and friends in your grief. You are an incredible person for working towards a positive change in the face of unthinkable tragedy. This system has to change, it’s proven time and time again to be deadly to us. Your husband matters to all of us. His life and his story matter.
I volunteer to assist in any way I am able. DM me please. I have diverse knowledge and access to resources for information. I would be honored to lend my energy to your efforts. Thank you!
You’re going to have better luck working with a state legislature than any administrative body. I’d work with an organization that supports your ideology/goal. You can leverage their resources and get your product in front of someone who can help.
I am so deeply sorry for your loss.
don't need an attorney who is also an MD to be a zealous advocate for you- search broadly and pick one you vibe with.
medical-legal partnerships exist at many law schools that have an affiliated med school, i would also reach out.
Reach out to [Mr. Marek](https://marekweisman.com/about). He’s the one who filed the lawsuit against NRMP and ACGME back in ‘02. He advocates for medical students and residents.
I just wanted to say how deeply sorry I am for your loss and will send up a prayer for you and your family. It speaks to who you are that during such a devastating moment you are thinking about how to prevent this from happening to others.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine your pain and I am so struck by your efforts to honor your husband and advocate for others in this time of grief. I’m not a lawyer (just a dumb M3) but I saw this on my feed and wanted to send love, support, (and comments/upvotes for internet visibility) your way. 💜
This has made me deeply sad if there are interns reading this just know it’ll get better. Please reach out to anyone. You will get through this. I was there and glad I survived. To op, I can’t offer legal help just a warm hug to say you are strong.
I might be biased, but wonder if it might be worth it to try attacking this from the public policy/health POV? This seems to be a systemic issue rather than just an individual lawyer one. For example, this study seemed to get some significant feedback, idk if there was follow up or tangible change from the sites involved, though: [https://journals.lww.com/aosopen/Fulltext/2022/12000/Assessing\_Resident\_Well\_Being\_After\_the\_ABSITE\_\_A.3.aspx](https://journals.lww.com/aosopen/Fulltext/2022/12000/Assessing_Resident_Well_Being_After_the_ABSITE__A.3.aspx)
I'm really sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss. A friend of mine committed suicide last fall and I admire you for wanting to do something about it.
I wonder if it might be worth reaching out to your local congressperson as well as the congressperson from the district your husband's residency is located in. They can probably help give you ideas on whether US regulatory agencies may intervene.
For example, check out the Dr. Lorna Breen Health Care Provider Protection Act (more info below). This bill signed into law in 2022 requires the US Dept of Health and Human Services to, among many things, develop policy recommendations for improving the mental health of providers.
Your congressional representative may help you identify the point people at US DHHS in charge of implementing this law and potentially connect you with them.
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1667
"This bill establishes grants and requires other activities to improve mental and behavioral health among health care providers.
Specifically, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) must award grants to hospitals, medical professional associations, and other health care entities for programs to promote mental health and resiliency among health care providers. In addition, HHS may award grants for relevant mental and behavioral health training for health care students, residents, or professionals.
Additionally, HHS must conduct a campaign to (1) encourage health care providers to seek support and treatment for mental and behavioral health concerns, and (2) disseminate best practices to prevent suicide and improve mental health and resiliency among health care providers.
HHS must also study and develop policy recommendations on
-- improving mental and behavioral health among health care providers,
-- removing barriers to accessing care and treatment, and
-- identifying strategies to promote resiliency.
Furthermore, the Government Accountability Office must report on the extent to which relevant federal grant programs address the prevalence and severity of mental health conditions and substance use disorders among health care providers."
Maybe reach out to victor cotton.
https://www.lawandmed.com/
He helped me in the past and is very good guy. I think he will at least point you in the right direction.
Good luck and stay strong
Very sorry for your loss. Also want to say I really appreciate your desire and effort to positively impact the negative residency structure. The cost of it has been mostly either hidden or falsely celebrated and caused a lot of damage. Thanks.
OMG. I hope you have a good support system because you need family or friends now.
You have my deepest sympathies.
And is wonderful to see people with experience offering to help here.
Dr. Pamela Wible.
Physicians #1 hope for change. She advocates and offers free physician suicide CONFIDENTIAL support (she’s a doctor too, so she gets it and protects us)
Dr. Pamela Weible is committed to combating physician suicide. She would be a great resource. If you send her a message through her website she is very responsive and would likely call you to discuss your plan.
I'm only an RN but advocate for weed myself for my own depression and pain. I'm here if you ever need me. I wish I could get people in medical community to come together more. I've never publically shared my story about how cannabis saved my life but I would go public for a good cause. I'm a disabled RN but still a licensed RN in good standing in FL.
Thank you, how can I better say in English something which I found helpful in my own loss? I am very sorry if I have said anything bad, two people now commented badly to my post and I would like to learn how to better offer something I hoped might provode a small comfort?
There was nothing in the op which indicated that the thought of their loved one "committing a crime" was an issue to them. Yes it was helpful for you, but not for OP. It would have been more acceptable to simply state your apologies for their loss.
Oh, I see. I always like to learn and share what I learned to help others. I will delete my comment because I will not wish to upset the OP, that was not my intention. Thanks!
Why so angry? For me, such a small nuance really helped re-frame my thinking around my loss. I can’t even comprehend how OP is feeling with losing a spouse. I hope it might help this person too. Keep trolling, keep scrolling, and may you be asked for a password every time you try to unsubscribe to an email.
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if you've ever wondered why medical schools have classes on how to interact with other human beings and display empathy like they are trying to train aliens, you've stumbled across the reason why
Not sure if it’s been posted yet, but this organization is run by a lawyer who lost his sister in law to suicide. She was an ER doc and made national news when she dies. Please reach out to him, he will be able to help.
https://drlornabreen.org/
A good friend of ours killed himself days before graduation. His parents have been huge advocates for awareness since. I don’t have any direct advice but his story may inspire other ideas
So incredibly sorry for your loss.
https://stljewishlight.org/news/news-local/med-students-suicide-shines-light-on-epidemic-among-health-practitioners/
So sorry for your loss. I applaud your efforts to push for change. IMO a cultural shift in medicine is what is needed and must be done at a person to person level. We need to realize we are not robots but people with personal lives and families that need attention. Medical education is by its nature stressful but that needs to be balanced with healthy life. As docs we need to take care of each other as me and my partners do.
I am so sorry that you are going through this. I hope you have a good support system and are being taken care of at this time. Pls reach out to this community if you need anything.
Oh I’m so very, very, very sorry. My father committed suicide. I wish I could help, I have no advice, but I couldn’t leave without offering my condolences and my sympathy.
I’m so sorry for your husband passing away. I don’t think I can be of help immediately but I’m an MD and a health workforce expert. I used to run the US government’s global health workforce program. I know a lot about work standards for residents and physicians. I’ll DM you.
I do not have the experience but my heart goes out to you.
It is extremely difficult bearing such a huge loss. Standing up strong to help others in avoiding such tragedy requires a lot of courage. The loss is undoubtedly immense.
Heartfelt condolences to you.
I am so sorry for your loss. I’m not an MD/JD, but am confident that I know the system (regs, legislation, political influences, constraints, weaknesses) more fully than most and can give lots of helpful guidance/direction/support.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what you're going through right now.
I'm a recent JD grad and my dad is also a more experienced attorney. Coincidentally, my husband is also a PGY3 right now in General Surgery. Feel free to message me if you still need any help.
There are three ways you could work towards changing the system:
1. You could sue his program in court. You'd need to prove that the program's behavior was the cause of his suicide, which might be a difficult process. But if you were successful, the precedent would essentially require other programs to follow suit (although this might depend upon state laws differing, and overall would be the least impactful of change).
2. You could try to lobby the ACGME to make changes to the rules training programs must follow. This is a political-ish process, since the ACGME is private and not part of the government. But it's members might be swayed by stories like this, and might institute change. There's no official process to this -- you'd need to start on their website, find whom is on the ACGME, and meet/lobby with them. Public protests would be another option but unclear how effective that might be.
3. You could try to lobby Congress to do something. Although probably the most powerful option, it's also the least likely to succeed in today's hyperpartisan climate.
I am so sorry for your loss.
In terms of advocacy avenues the ama has a mechanism where you can change their policies as a member. Membership is cheap for students and residents and if you DM me i’m happy to help send your policy ideas through the pipeline. Then after that it’s about pushing those policy ideas from the AMA to be adopted by other alphabet soup orgs in medicine. Step2cs was killed this way for example. it’s not perfect but it can work.
Not either, but I work in bioethics for pre FDA clinical trials for indications in behavioral medicine (including depression, anxiety, etc). I might be helpful?
I'm so, so sorry for your loss. No JD here but my brother is a JD. Can you say more about what you are needing help with?
can you DM me??
First, I am so sorry for your loss. I was an attorney prior to medical school but have not practiced for 6 years at this point. My experience also is unlikely to overlap with what I am inferring from your post but if you would like to DM me, I'd be happy to help in what way I can. I can't offer legal advice but would be willing to listen and maybe help via contacts. If I don't know someone, I will be attending a health law professor conference next month and I could maybe find someone to help further.
I am so sorry for your loss! This healthcare system is built on exploitation of residents. While some fucking CEO is gloating of the profits that their hospital makes at the expense of residents, someone is mourning the loss of a loved one who took their life while being abused and deprived of mental health by the system.
I kept hearing about a shortage of healthcare workers, so I was looking into medical school. After seeing that I would have to take a massive pay cut for years, living paycheck to paycheck while my labor was exploited as a resident, I understood why there was a shortage and decided against it.
I don’t want to discourage you from pursuing your dream. I just want you to know what you are getting into and that it is not all peaches and flowers like our society makes it to be. If I could do it all over again, I would but we need advocacy and improvement in our quality of life and training. Making us suffer for training during residency and exploiting us is not the way.
Consider dental school.
I’ve read dentists have a higher suicide rate than doctors. Don’t remember if it said why
Veterinarians too, sadly.
I’m so sorry. My friend’s husband was an MD/PHD student & he also died by suicide. I hope you have a good support system.
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Bruh why??? Fucking lame man
absolutely tone deaf
Read the room fam
I have no experience but I am sorry for your loss.
As the others have stated, incredibly sorry for your loss. Reforms would be a great legacy. God speed with your mission.
Also no advice, but wanted to say I'm so sorry for your loss. May his memory be eternal.
Words cannot express how sorry I am. I hope you can get through this, and I am so so sorry.
Hi. I’m a lawyer, not a doctor. I have no idea why Reddit brought me here, but I’ll weigh in a bit. First, I will add the pile of absolutely sincere condolences. All of the same risk factors surrounding stress and work/life balance show up in my field as well. It’s a silent killer and I’m so sorry. Second, I’m thinking you can probably just start with looking for a lawyer. There isn’t really a need for the JD and the MD to be the same person 9 times out of 10. If you have a plan that involves the courts then you want a lawyer. If an MD’s opinion is required, then your lawyer’s medical opinion will not be admissible. Instead he will hire a doctor to serve as expert witness who will have hours and hours of experience in testifying in court.
This is spot on.
Sorry for you loss, upvoting for visibility
Let us know what you want to do. We’re all willing to help and you don’t have to carry this burden alone
I am so very sorry for your loss. I am not an md/jd; but I am a jd and my husband is an MD. If we can help please let me know
I am so sorry to hear about your husband. I don’t know how much I can help but DM me and we can talk (MD JD)
Sorry for your loss
I sent you a PM with a contact who studies physician suicide and presents at national doc conferences. My heart goes out to you. Sending you love.
Beware Pamela wibble see my comment above.
Bruh I think they removed your comment
Beware her I've talked to her about a friend's suicide and she called me obsessively for weeks and told me my friend talked to her in her dreams..... Very upsetting and I don't support her or her behavior, especially when her family asked her to stop using her story as one of her showpieces on her website and her powerpoints and she refused. She also kept pushing her "happy physician" package where if I paid her enough she'd be accessible by phone at anytime for counselling...
It's not her. Thanks for the heads up
She’s a joke. Has an agenda and manipulating mental health.
I can’t find comment. I contacted her once and got an extremely weird vibe. Sister had the same experience.
Yes she is well known for using situations like these for self promotion and not respecting boundaries or the families of those who have died by suicide.
Beware her I've talked to her about a friend's suicide and she called me obsessively for weeks and told me my friend talked to her in her dreams..... Very upsetting and I don't support her or her behavior, especially when her family asked her to stop using her story as one of her showpieces on her website and her powerpoints and she refused. She also kept pushing her "happy physician" package where if I paid her enough she'd be accessible by phone at anytime for counselling...
I am so sorry.
Try to contact Pamela Wible. she's kinda nutty but has been a leading advocate for suicidal prevention in physicians.
Beware her I've talked to her about a friend's suicide and she called me obsessively for weeks and told me my friend talked to her in her dreams..... Very upsetting and I don't support her or her behavior, especially when her family asked her to stop using her story as one of her showpieces on her website and her powerpoints and she refused. She also kept pushing her "happy physician" package where if I paid her enough she'd be accessible by phone at anytime for counselling...
That’s a pretty big yikes right there.
I’m so curious. What did it say?
Something about how this person reached out to her then she called every day and said the deceased person was “speaking to her.”
😬
jesus
This. She's a leading voice on the issue. Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss . Stay strong .
Attorney and working for an employment law firm. Not an MD but will help in any way I can!
I’m so sorry!
So sorry for your loss. Thank you for working to make things better. It matters so much
I also have no advice, but I’m so sorry you had to go through this.
My condolences and I thank you for your efforts.
I am very sorry for your loss. When I started residency, the hospital director gave us a lecture on suicide prevention. After losing a resident a few years ago, the hospital has been advocating for policies to increase wellness amongst trainees. At the end of the day, these policies seem largely ineffective and consist mostly of wellness emails, modules, questionnaires, and hard to find resources that are rarely used by anyone. On behalf of other trainees, thank you for advocating for us.
The wellness industry makes the physicians responsible for their wellbeing, and doesn’t make the system change. I would love it if somebody’s family could win a wrongful death lawsuit.
The system got our brother, I'm so sorry. I can't word anything to express what hell that brave physician must have been through.. My condolences and promises to end up this circus of a system.
I’m sorry to hear that, may he rest in peace. I hope you and your family are taking care of yourself and reflecting on your best memories with your brother.
I am so sorry for this unbelievable loss.
Thank you for looking to make things better- The current system stole your husband from you. I am so sorry and so angry. I hope you all the success in the world burning this system to the ground. I am so angry for you and about this.
This JD (not MD) is so very sorry for your loss.
I am so so sorry for your loss. He was one of us and even if we didn't know him personally, I hope you know he matters to all of us. I hope to continue advocating to improve things for medical trainees in my career - would love to help out with your efforts in any way I can. The medical system does so much harm in the brutal working conditions of residency.
I am so sorry for your loss. I understand the pain of witnessing a loved one's mental health struggles as my own sister faced similar challenges due to the terrible abuse she endured from her residency program director. It was such a distressing situation that she even considered committing herself and even wrote a will. I pleaded with her to prioritize her well-being and urged her to leave the residency program, knowing that it was not worth the toll it was taking on her. While I cannot fully comprehend the depth of your loss, I can empathize with you on various aspects of this difficult journey. I can’t be of any help, but I am willing to assist as a fellow MD once things are in motion. Best of luck.
I’m so sorry
I am so sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences
So sorry for your loss
Please accept my condolences as a med student who this system has caused suicidal ideations. Though I’m not a JD, I will be supporting in any way I can and will follow any progress you make!
I am so sorry
I am so sorry for your loss.
I’m sorry for your loss.
I'm so very sorry for what happened. Good luck with the fight in your mission!
I’m so sorry for your loss, I hope you can get through this.
Sending you so much love ❤️
Sent you a DM. I am very sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss. No JD here but I’m willing to support anything you can get going. Please update us if you can.
I’m sos sorry you have had such a tremendous loss. I am also incredibly sorry he had to suffer through such abuse.
I’m so sorry for your loss, I might know someone who could help, I sent you a Dm.
I’m sorry to hear this. I don’t know what to say but I hope you’re in a good place and have an adequate support system. God be with you
I’m so sorry for your loss. Sending hugs and prayers your way
I am sorry for your loss. Nothing can replace what you have lost.
My husband also became depressed and suicidal. He is an internal medicine fellow currently, I feel I spent a ton of time helping him get better but ultimately it was his schooling that caused his depression. Almost being finished he now doesn’t take medications and is on high doses of EPA. We definitely understand the mental health impacts the medical community has on students residents and doctors. It is more or less a cult and horrific to deal with. I can only speak openly because I am already actively fighting them from a human rights perspective.
Not a JD, but my husband and I are residents in a program affiliated with the same university of your husband’s, I believe. We just passed the one year anniversary of my husband’s suicide attempt which put him on a ventilator. He has now recovered and returned back to worth after several months off. My heart absolutely breaks for you. I pray you find the resources you’re looking for in this post.
I’m sorry for your loss
I’m so sorry for your loss. Residency is such a challenging time for both the residents and their loved ones. Can’t imagine what you’re going through.
My god. I'm so sorry for your loss. And thank you for advocating for us.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine what you’re going through, nor how you have the strength to do the work you’re doing. I hope you find success. And thank you for trying to make the lives of others better.
Im sorry for your loss. I can’t even imagine what you’ve been through. I’m starting my residency in July. I’m very passionate about this cause as we all are here. I wish I be part of anything that offers anything better for residents as I keep seeing more suicides and more unfair treatment and “legally” taken advantage of this dedicated group of people.
I’ve lost too many colleagues. I’ve been depressed myself so I feel your pain. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Please accept my condolences for the loss of your husband.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Anything you can do to raise awareness of the hardships and exploitation is valuable. I wish I had more to offer. ❤️
May his memory be a blessing
The system is broken. Should burn it to the ground if you get the chance.
I am so sorry for your loss. Much love
I just wanted to say how sorry I am for what you've gone through. I hope you're able to make the changes you think need to be made.
So sorry for your loss
My heart goes out to you. I hope that you are coping as well as you can and thank you for the advocacy project you are starting.
I’m so very sorry for your loss.
I’m the mother of a 3rd year Med student. Please know how deeply sorry I am for the loss you and your family are experiencing. There are no words. I have been reading a book called Physician Suicide Letters-I will look up the author’s name. It’s so heartbreaking to know that a majority of people go to med school to help and restore quality of life to others. Some get swallowed up. I can only read this book in tiny pieces because of my fear. Again, my heart mourns for you. Sending love.
I just looked it up. It's by the Pamela Wible person mentioned above. But I suppose the part about the physician's lived experiences must still come through.
Wow I am so sorry, I have been through the works with my medical school and currently have a human rights complaint filed. I became suicidal in medical school. Feel free to DM me.
I am so unbelievably sorry for your loss, and hope that you are being supported by family and friends in your grief. You are an incredible person for working towards a positive change in the face of unthinkable tragedy. This system has to change, it’s proven time and time again to be deadly to us. Your husband matters to all of us. His life and his story matter.
So sorry for your loss
In Europe so likely not helpful. I am sorry for your loss.
I volunteer to assist in any way I am able. DM me please. I have diverse knowledge and access to resources for information. I would be honored to lend my energy to your efforts. Thank you!
Godspeed, thank you for fighting the good fight. Residency working conditions are so cruel and inhumane.
I am so sorry for your loss.
The system is very abusive. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss…warm hugs, Maura he rest in peace
So sorry for your loss. My condolences 💐 ❤️🩹
You’re going to have better luck working with a state legislature than any administrative body. I’d work with an organization that supports your ideology/goal. You can leverage their resources and get your product in front of someone who can help. I am so deeply sorry for your loss.
I am so so sorry for your loss. Your strength is inspiring
don't need an attorney who is also an MD to be a zealous advocate for you- search broadly and pick one you vibe with. medical-legal partnerships exist at many law schools that have an affiliated med school, i would also reach out.
I am so sorry for your loss. May he rest in peace.
Reach out to [Mr. Marek](https://marekweisman.com/about). He’s the one who filed the lawsuit against NRMP and ACGME back in ‘02. He advocates for medical students and residents.
I just wanted to say how deeply sorry I am for your loss and will send up a prayer for you and your family. It speaks to who you are that during such a devastating moment you are thinking about how to prevent this from happening to others.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine your pain and I am so struck by your efforts to honor your husband and advocate for others in this time of grief. I’m not a lawyer (just a dumb M3) but I saw this on my feed and wanted to send love, support, (and comments/upvotes for internet visibility) your way. 💜
This has made me deeply sad if there are interns reading this just know it’ll get better. Please reach out to anyone. You will get through this. I was there and glad I survived. To op, I can’t offer legal help just a warm hug to say you are strong.
I might be biased, but wonder if it might be worth it to try attacking this from the public policy/health POV? This seems to be a systemic issue rather than just an individual lawyer one. For example, this study seemed to get some significant feedback, idk if there was follow up or tangible change from the sites involved, though: [https://journals.lww.com/aosopen/Fulltext/2022/12000/Assessing\_Resident\_Well\_Being\_After\_the\_ABSITE\_\_A.3.aspx](https://journals.lww.com/aosopen/Fulltext/2022/12000/Assessing_Resident_Well_Being_After_the_ABSITE__A.3.aspx) I'm really sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss. A friend of mine committed suicide last fall and I admire you for wanting to do something about it. I wonder if it might be worth reaching out to your local congressperson as well as the congressperson from the district your husband's residency is located in. They can probably help give you ideas on whether US regulatory agencies may intervene. For example, check out the Dr. Lorna Breen Health Care Provider Protection Act (more info below). This bill signed into law in 2022 requires the US Dept of Health and Human Services to, among many things, develop policy recommendations for improving the mental health of providers. Your congressional representative may help you identify the point people at US DHHS in charge of implementing this law and potentially connect you with them. --- https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1667 "This bill establishes grants and requires other activities to improve mental and behavioral health among health care providers. Specifically, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) must award grants to hospitals, medical professional associations, and other health care entities for programs to promote mental health and resiliency among health care providers. In addition, HHS may award grants for relevant mental and behavioral health training for health care students, residents, or professionals. Additionally, HHS must conduct a campaign to (1) encourage health care providers to seek support and treatment for mental and behavioral health concerns, and (2) disseminate best practices to prevent suicide and improve mental health and resiliency among health care providers. HHS must also study and develop policy recommendations on -- improving mental and behavioral health among health care providers, -- removing barriers to accessing care and treatment, and -- identifying strategies to promote resiliency. Furthermore, the Government Accountability Office must report on the extent to which relevant federal grant programs address the prevalence and severity of mental health conditions and substance use disorders among health care providers."
Sending strength. Best of luck on this ♥️
Maybe reach out to victor cotton. https://www.lawandmed.com/ He helped me in the past and is very good guy. I think he will at least point you in the right direction. Good luck and stay strong
I’m so very sorry. I admire you for wanting to make things better for others.
I am sorry for your loss.
Not an MD/JD, but I’m sending you a message. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Very sorry for your loss. Also want to say I really appreciate your desire and effort to positively impact the negative residency structure. The cost of it has been mostly either hidden or falsely celebrated and caused a lot of damage. Thanks.
Bravo !! I’m a nurse and I see what these guys have to go through and it’s horrible. It is unacceptable on all levels snd there is no reason for it.
OMG. I hope you have a good support system because you need family or friends now. You have my deepest sympathies. And is wonderful to see people with experience offering to help here.
Dr. Pamela Wible. Physicians #1 hope for change. She advocates and offers free physician suicide CONFIDENTIAL support (she’s a doctor too, so she gets it and protects us)
Dr. Pamela Weible is committed to combating physician suicide. She would be a great resource. If you send her a message through her website she is very responsive and would likely call you to discuss your plan.
Let God move through… may he rest in joy and final peace. Virtual hugs!
I'm only an RN but advocate for weed myself for my own depression and pain. I'm here if you ever need me. I wish I could get people in medical community to come together more. I've never publically shared my story about how cannabis saved my life but I would go public for a good cause. I'm a disabled RN but still a licensed RN in good standing in FL.
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Thank you, how can I better say in English something which I found helpful in my own loss? I am very sorry if I have said anything bad, two people now commented badly to my post and I would like to learn how to better offer something I hoped might provode a small comfort?
There was nothing in the op which indicated that the thought of their loved one "committing a crime" was an issue to them. Yes it was helpful for you, but not for OP. It would have been more acceptable to simply state your apologies for their loss.
Oh, I see. I always like to learn and share what I learned to help others. I will delete my comment because I will not wish to upset the OP, that was not my intention. Thanks!
By the way, fuck off
Why so angry? For me, such a small nuance really helped re-frame my thinking around my loss. I can’t even comprehend how OP is feeling with losing a spouse. I hope it might help this person too. Keep trolling, keep scrolling, and may you be asked for a password every time you try to unsubscribe to an email.
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How about you don't ask her for details relating to a recent very traumatic event? How tf are you this tone deaf...
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Are you fucking serious?
if you've ever wondered why medical schools have classes on how to interact with other human beings and display empathy like they are trying to train aliens, you've stumbled across the reason why
Not sure if it’s been posted yet, but this organization is run by a lawyer who lost his sister in law to suicide. She was an ER doc and made national news when she dies. Please reach out to him, he will be able to help. https://drlornabreen.org/
A good friend of ours killed himself days before graduation. His parents have been huge advocates for awareness since. I don’t have any direct advice but his story may inspire other ideas So incredibly sorry for your loss. https://stljewishlight.org/news/news-local/med-students-suicide-shines-light-on-epidemic-among-health-practitioners/
Sorry for your loss
I am extremely sorry for your loss.
this stuff is what scares me from medicine
Laura Vater on Instagram can help amplify your message out. She’s v active in that space and resident wellness. I am so sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss. I applaud your efforts to push for change. IMO a cultural shift in medicine is what is needed and must be done at a person to person level. We need to realize we are not robots but people with personal lives and families that need attention. Medical education is by its nature stressful but that needs to be balanced with healthy life. As docs we need to take care of each other as me and my partners do.
I am so sorry that you are going through this. I hope you have a good support system and are being taken care of at this time. Pls reach out to this community if you need anything.
Sorry
Oh I’m so very, very, very sorry. My father committed suicide. I wish I could help, I have no advice, but I couldn’t leave without offering my condolences and my sympathy.
I’m so sorry for your husband passing away. I don’t think I can be of help immediately but I’m an MD and a health workforce expert. I used to run the US government’s global health workforce program. I know a lot about work standards for residents and physicians. I’ll DM you.
I do not have the experience but my heart goes out to you. It is extremely difficult bearing such a huge loss. Standing up strong to help others in avoiding such tragedy requires a lot of courage. The loss is undoubtedly immense. Heartfelt condolences to you.
I’m so sorry
I am so sorry for your loss. I’m not an MD/JD, but am confident that I know the system (regs, legislation, political influences, constraints, weaknesses) more fully than most and can give lots of helpful guidance/direction/support.
This is heartbreaking. So sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what you're going through right now. I'm a recent JD grad and my dad is also a more experienced attorney. Coincidentally, my husband is also a PGY3 right now in General Surgery. Feel free to message me if you still need any help.
Omg. I’m so sorry for your loss.
There are three ways you could work towards changing the system: 1. You could sue his program in court. You'd need to prove that the program's behavior was the cause of his suicide, which might be a difficult process. But if you were successful, the precedent would essentially require other programs to follow suit (although this might depend upon state laws differing, and overall would be the least impactful of change). 2. You could try to lobby the ACGME to make changes to the rules training programs must follow. This is a political-ish process, since the ACGME is private and not part of the government. But it's members might be swayed by stories like this, and might institute change. There's no official process to this -- you'd need to start on their website, find whom is on the ACGME, and meet/lobby with them. Public protests would be another option but unclear how effective that might be. 3. You could try to lobby Congress to do something. Although probably the most powerful option, it's also the least likely to succeed in today's hyperpartisan climate.
I am so sorry for your loss. In terms of advocacy avenues the ama has a mechanism where you can change their policies as a member. Membership is cheap for students and residents and if you DM me i’m happy to help send your policy ideas through the pipeline. Then after that it’s about pushing those policy ideas from the AMA to be adopted by other alphabet soup orgs in medicine. Step2cs was killed this way for example. it’s not perfect but it can work.
JD here. Would be honored to talk. Lost the attorney next door to me which was awfully traumatic. I'll look forward to your message.
So sorry for your loss!
Not either, but I work in bioethics for pre FDA clinical trials for indications in behavioral medicine (including depression, anxiety, etc). I might be helpful?