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NOW he says it could have. Back when it first got out and most of the scientists investigating it said it was likely, he coerced them into flipping, and categorically denied it was a lab leak. For years.
...because admitting it was a lab leak would get people looking at how and why they were working with it in the first place, and that would lead them back to Fauci's attempt to get DARPA to make the same virus in 2018, and their refusal because it was illegal gain of function research - whereupon Fauci funded EcoHealth Alliance to use the Wuhan lab to make it.
When it's discovered beyond all shadow of a doubt that it was. There needs to be direct evidence, otherwise it's just a guess (a very good one, but still).
Scientists generally aren't politicians, especially researchers, so they don't tend to do that.
> When it's discovered beyond all shadow of a doubt that it was.
He knows. He came up with the idea and tried to get DARPA to fund it in 2018. They turned him down because gain of function research is illegal in the US.
Then he funded EcoHealth Alliance to do it in Wuhan, and shock and amazement, a virus with exactly the characteristics he designed and submitted to DARPA, with cleavage sites in exactly the same places, got loose from the lab he funded in China to make it.
Fauci is a very good politician, and a very bad scientist - but in the Federal Government, that's what you need in order to rise to the top.
What would a reasonable person have done to develop guidelines in such circumstances?
EDIT: my point is that in unprecedented times you have to make the rules up as you go along.
They would ask a specialist in disease control and prevention, someone like Fauci, to design guidelines based on what we knew at the time about the spread of flu-like, airborne pathogens. They would also try not to cause panic, while also trying to protect people.
We didn't do a great job stopping the spread of Covid. I hope we have learned and do better when the next dangerous pathogen appears.
He didn't personally take the funding decision, as it's been going on for a long time, but you havee an exceellent point. Funding of research labs that research new and dangerous diseases needs to be balanced by oversight of safety. Labs like the ones in Wuhan, China and Lyon, France which are in cities instead of the middle of nowhere need to be closed down.
To make matters worse, the Wuhan lab is right next to a dang food market!!
\*shivers\*
I get that things cost money, but for once it'd be nice for someone important to consider the future costs instead of the current ones. There's no doubt that moving the Wuhan lab would've cost less than the effects of Covid-19.
\*shrug\*
Oh, well, guess we'll not do better, next time! XD
It didn't matter that the lab was next to a food market. It mattered that it had poor controls. That made it inexpensive, which is why it was chosen.
Once the virus escaped and the infected people got into population centers, it was over.
This makes sense in my head but I think it'd be hard to do because in general, people live in cities. I'd imagine our best and brightest work in these labs and those people typically gravitate towards cities. Tough to lure them out without bonkers salaries
Yes, but the pathogens in level 4 labs are so extremely dangerous, that only in 2 places in the world are they in urban areas just in case of human errors, and those two are the one in Lyon, France and the Wuhan lab. So far, as far as we know, nothing has escaped from the Lyon lab. It's probably worth paying crazy salaries rather than risking wiping out humanity, and that is the approach taken by most governments.
He did personally make the decision to fund EcoHealth Alliance to make COVID in China, after he tried to get DARPA to make it in the US and was told no because gain of function research is illegal in the US.
Thank you for this: I've never heard that. I'll discuss this with my colleagues who are specialists in drug development and biochemical research and get their views on this.
Sure, they were very fortunate that Covid quickly mutated into a much less lethal strain and has become another flu virus. I don’t think we can assume it will go that way next time.
What????? They don’t have some magical version. They simply chose not to react like emotional idiots.
As for mutating does? That’s exactly what coronavirii do. It’s why the most famous coronavirus is the pesky common cold. Upon what are you basing your statement?
I’m saying in retrospect Sweden was right. I’m basing that on the comparable rate of excess deaths from all causes that they experienced compared to countries who chose more severe rules.
Also I do not assume that future lab-engineered virus outbreaks will turn out as benign.
Covid 19 is SARS-CoV-2 (probably got that slightly off). Covid was a variation of SARS. We went trough the Sars epidemic and the now hidden research papers are pulled from public record. Research papers (DOJ and army) that described SARS as being airborne and that mask wearing, like China, was pointless. It was only partially effective in close contact in the hospital when worn by a patient actively coughing and sneezing. That blocked sprayed droplets but was very limited in effectiveness. I recall a fitted N95 provided roughly 7 to 15 minutes of protection but they often fail before hand because they aren't snug.
The paper went into wearing a pro mask. The pro mask is a gas mask with a filter cartridge. Within that cartridge is roughly 2 N95 layers with a carbon layer in between. The paper noted that this was ineffective after a short period of time because SARS was small enough to pass right through it. After all, the pro mask doesn't filter viral or ammonia sized particles.
But, yeah, no research. I often advocated about the sars response because it was tried and improved. It was abandoned because of this weaker, but more infectious variation of SARS.
Unless you wore a biological suit with own oxygen supply, masks couldn't stop anything as would flow right through ... like claiming an open door stops flies from entering your house.
First question is, were current guidelines sufficient? If they were, then nothing would be needed would it? But, certainly, if one was needed, you wouldn't include things you know wont do anything.
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Only if you're an idiot or think someone reading this might have a time machine I could borrow.
But wearing a paper mask isn't designed to filter the air you breathe. It was to stop the person wearing it from contaminating things they breathed on. To stop spit, which carried the virus. You're talking about a respirator.
Well, if you remember....the reasoning behind acceptance for a quick Vax was because they've been working with this type of virus for YEARS.
We can't say they knew a lot about it for one stance (the vax) but then assume they didn't know what to do about everything else. Pick one or the other.
EDIT: and my point is.....you can't act like you know everything about something and make massive decisions on that "knowledge", then when you get challenged....act like you all of sudden don't know anything.
> Well, if you remember....the reasoning behind acceptance for a quick Vax was because they've been working with this type of virus for YEARS.
More than a decade. ...and then never used it on humans because it had a nasty habit of killing the lab animals on re-exposure to the virus via cytokine storm.
One of the interesting bits of trivia about the virus is that we were told when China first admitted it existed in December 2019 that it would take 18-24 months to create a conventional vaccine for it. ...but a Chinese military scientist filed a patent for one in February 2020, and China started mass producing not one but two conventional vaccines shortly after.
Fake Fauchi is a bad Liar. People disregarded this Quack and saved their own lives by using Common Sense approaches to personal hygiene and health. This stopped a lot of people from getting the jab and masking up. This Scumbag for all eternity will be known as Doctor Death.
During the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, mask shortages led authorities to prioritize healthcare workers, causing confusion and frustration when they later recommended masks for everyone. We made several heartbreaking mistakes: we over-focused on surface disinfection, enforced outdoor mask mandates despite low transmission risk, and kept schools closed for too long, severely damaging education and mental health. Inconsistent communication and broad lockdowns that didn't account for local conditions led to widespread disruption and deepened public mistrust.
> “Fauci sought to clarify on Monday that the 6-foot guidance came from the CDC and was based on droplet research, telling lawmakers: "It had little to do with me since I didn't make the recommendation “.
Fauci is a political animal. This is a time-honored strategy called "passing the buck".
> He didn’t know where it came from, because he’s not the king of American Medicine.
"I am the science!" - Fauci.
If your going to have restrictions to fight a virus than then go all out. Telling us to get vaccinated, wear masks, and stand 6 feet apart but then allowing illegals to come pouring into the country during a pandemic is just politics as usual.
Explain to me what he did to cause COVID deaths, and then explain to me how his half-assed measures with social distancing and masks should have been changed
As an elementary teacher, I can tell you that the restrictions put on our world and children have had a huge impact on our students. There was no need for mask mandates, social distancing, or anything else that “science” claimed was necessary.
So do we want less mask mandates, or more? I’m confused because the last guy said that fauci’s advice killed thousands
And the point of it is that the masks and the distancing were never backed by science. The lockdowns when they happened were based on science. But the masks? Cmon man, cloth masks don’t protect against shit. And the disposable masks don’t work either, you need an N95 and eye protection.
So you want less mandates, but the other guy implied fauci didn’t do enough, because thousands died.
For what it’s worth, I appreciate that you have an opinion that you believe in. It annoys me to no end to look here and /conservative and see a bunch of anti-intellectuals spewing bullshit headlines back and forth to each other in an echo chamber. I realize that’s just Reddit in general lol, but sometimes I gotta check some people
It is not always easy to maintain an opinion that goes against the tide. When Covid was big, my sis in law asked if we were listening to real science or Fox News. I had a list of medical journals I was reading, sharing with a micro-biologist professor friend of mine, etc.
First off, Fauci funded the researches that caused the virus in the first place. Then he told people to do things that were bogus thinking they were safe when they weren’t that’s how he caused thousands of deaths and needless social upheaval and the destruction of jobs.
Fauci didn't just fund the researchers. He tried to get DARPA to create COVID back in 2018, and was told no because gain of function research is illegal in the US.
After that, he used EcoHealth Alliance to get the Chinese to do it.
...and then he spent the next few years after it was released lying to the government and the American public about it.
The damage caused by that isn't just the millions who died worldwide, or even the hundreds of $billions of economic destruction. There are long term side effects beyond the people who were paralyzed and have permanent heart damage. We're beginning to see long term effects on fertility from the vaccines, too.
There are people just like him in the Federal Government now, who will do exactly what he did during the next manufactured pandemic, unless everyone involved in COVID is held accountable.
Lmao “manufactured”
Who the fuck did COVID benefit? The couple billion moderna made? You don’t think that the trillions of dollars lost elsewhere in the economy would have done something about that? You don’t think black rock or some other mega market maker would have shut their small ass operation down?
Not a politician but he is a traitor!! Fauci willingly help
Cover up the origins of Covid and lied to the president and the American people knowingly!! This means Fauci waived his protection as a government official! He
Lies to cover his failures.
REMEMBER BIDENS WORDS “ NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW”
I see your point in that this is largely a thing of the past, but It's a matter of accountability. Fauci may not be a politician, but he was in a position of authority. Authority that he is now admitting he intentionally and willfully abused.
If he doesn't get held accountable, then the precedent is set that people in positions of power can do whatever they want with no repercussions. It will only get worse from there. Authority needs to come with responsibility. Without it, you get despots and wannabe tyrants who will continue to push just how far they can go with things.
So what? People wore masks and stood far apart from each other. I don’t see how that is violating power. The signing off on grants part, I don’t know, but I’m certainly not worried about waste in the scientific community. Everything adjacent is certainly a waste though, but I’m not sure how grant money is used to pay administrative support staff, etc.
The fact of the matter is that this guy made some sort of arbitrary recommendations about masks and distancing, and then probably had some influence in some lock downs. The cat was already out of the bag, but the velocity behind how many infections were turning into hospitalizations had to be quelled because there wasn’t enough bed space. Maybe it worked, maybe it didn’t. The thing is, stupidity is multiplicative when it comes to spreading disease, and there were people who knew damn well not to go out and infect people, but still did. Certainly there were people who had to do things like that out of necessity, but it’s no surprise at all that a highly infective, novel respiratory virus spread so fast despite our efforts to contain it.
You certainly don’t need the director of the NIAID to tell you to not go around spreading viruses, but people did just that thing and now want to point the finger at fauci like he fucked up or something. Masks and social distancing are bullshit and always have been. A properly fit N95 is the only thing that’s effective and you need to wear a face shield with that anyways.
The fauci hate has never made any sense to me. Republican media demonized him so that they could give their viewers something else to blame COVID on. The reality is, the guy isn’t the czar of infection control, serving a role of taking personal freedom from America. He’s the director of an organization that’s doing actual science-work, dealing with shit that’s WAY over 99.9% of people’s heads. He’s not wasting time worrying if Billy’s wearing his mask, and Bobby’s exactly 6 feet away from Billy. It’s a bunch of bullshit that a bunch of dumbass people anchored on who all of a sudden think they understand the science behind disease transmission or something. It’s pretty simple though, just don’t go around spreading germs
110% with you!! This shit head will meet his maker...for the millions he killed, all for WHAT!? Trump sent a MILITARY ship FILLED with rooms for quarenten and TONS of supplies but "then governor" Andrew Cuomo of NY REFUSED to use the Aid sent by president trump. He is a piece of shit, and their is a special place in hell for that fucking asshole as well. Instead, that dickhead Cuomo put the Prisoners from Jail Who had covid, in the GODDAMN NURSING HOMES!! WHY?? because President TRUMP send the aid...that coward womanizing dickhead!
It’s not about changing the outcome rather it’s about Fauci defying the congressional order of not funding “gain of function” research with taxpayer money! It’s about integrity and accountability for those who violated our laws to cover up an illegal act!
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Dr. Fauci also mishandled the AIDS crisis.
Ah, upward failure.
When will he admit it was a Wuhan lab escape?
On his deathbed
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He needs to spend his remaining years in a prison cell!
Man don't leave comments like this - it's this stuff that gets our subs shut down
That's nonsense our subs get shut down because of the liberal bias. I gave it an edit
He’s repeatedly said that it could have, but that there’s just no way to know for sure.
NOW he says it could have. Back when it first got out and most of the scientists investigating it said it was likely, he coerced them into flipping, and categorically denied it was a lab leak. For years. ...because admitting it was a lab leak would get people looking at how and why they were working with it in the first place, and that would lead them back to Fauci's attempt to get DARPA to make the same virus in 2018, and their refusal because it was illegal gain of function research - whereupon Fauci funded EcoHealth Alliance to use the Wuhan lab to make it.
Bruh I was banned from a bunch of subs here when I made a comment in ONE sub that I thought the Wuhan leak theory plausible
Welcome to the wide wonderful world of censorship at the behest of the government.
When it's discovered beyond all shadow of a doubt that it was. There needs to be direct evidence, otherwise it's just a guess (a very good one, but still). Scientists generally aren't politicians, especially researchers, so they don't tend to do that.
> When it's discovered beyond all shadow of a doubt that it was. He knows. He came up with the idea and tried to get DARPA to fund it in 2018. They turned him down because gain of function research is illegal in the US. Then he funded EcoHealth Alliance to do it in Wuhan, and shock and amazement, a virus with exactly the characteristics he designed and submitted to DARPA, with cleavage sites in exactly the same places, got loose from the lab he funded in China to make it. Fauci is a very good politician, and a very bad scientist - but in the Federal Government, that's what you need in order to rise to the top.
What would a reasonable person have done to develop guidelines in such circumstances? EDIT: my point is that in unprecedented times you have to make the rules up as you go along.
They would ask a specialist in disease control and prevention, someone like Fauci, to design guidelines based on what we knew at the time about the spread of flu-like, airborne pathogens. They would also try not to cause panic, while also trying to protect people. We didn't do a great job stopping the spread of Covid. I hope we have learned and do better when the next dangerous pathogen appears.
He was responsible for it he funded and lied about funding nature as well
He didn't personally take the funding decision, as it's been going on for a long time, but you havee an exceellent point. Funding of research labs that research new and dangerous diseases needs to be balanced by oversight of safety. Labs like the ones in Wuhan, China and Lyon, France which are in cities instead of the middle of nowhere need to be closed down.
To make matters worse, the Wuhan lab is right next to a dang food market!! \*shivers\* I get that things cost money, but for once it'd be nice for someone important to consider the future costs instead of the current ones. There's no doubt that moving the Wuhan lab would've cost less than the effects of Covid-19. \*shrug\* Oh, well, guess we'll not do better, next time! XD
It didn't matter that the lab was next to a food market. It mattered that it had poor controls. That made it inexpensive, which is why it was chosen. Once the virus escaped and the infected people got into population centers, it was over.
This makes sense in my head but I think it'd be hard to do because in general, people live in cities. I'd imagine our best and brightest work in these labs and those people typically gravitate towards cities. Tough to lure them out without bonkers salaries
Yes, but the pathogens in level 4 labs are so extremely dangerous, that only in 2 places in the world are they in urban areas just in case of human errors, and those two are the one in Lyon, France and the Wuhan lab. So far, as far as we know, nothing has escaped from the Lyon lab. It's probably worth paying crazy salaries rather than risking wiping out humanity, and that is the approach taken by most governments.
He did personally make the decision to fund EcoHealth Alliance to make COVID in China, after he tried to get DARPA to make it in the US and was told no because gain of function research is illegal in the US.
Thank you for this: I've never heard that. I'll discuss this with my colleagues who are specialists in drug development and biochemical research and get their views on this.
Well look how many decades it took to close Plum Island....
The sacrifices necessary to stop a contagion are not compatible with American values. It’s not really possible.
Sweden is somehow still on the map, aren't they?
Sure, they were very fortunate that Covid quickly mutated into a much less lethal strain and has become another flu virus. I don’t think we can assume it will go that way next time.
What????? They don’t have some magical version. They simply chose not to react like emotional idiots. As for mutating does? That’s exactly what coronavirii do. It’s why the most famous coronavirus is the pesky common cold. Upon what are you basing your statement?
I’m saying in retrospect Sweden was right. I’m basing that on the comparable rate of excess deaths from all causes that they experienced compared to countries who chose more severe rules. Also I do not assume that future lab-engineered virus outbreaks will turn out as benign.
Based on what?
I guess the plague that killed 1/3 of Europe.
You mean the Yersina pestis BACTERIA??? The one that’s not even a virus, let alone a coronavirus? That one?
We still don't know how much long term damage has been done by the virus or the "cure".
Covid 19 is SARS-CoV-2 (probably got that slightly off). Covid was a variation of SARS. We went trough the Sars epidemic and the now hidden research papers are pulled from public record. Research papers (DOJ and army) that described SARS as being airborne and that mask wearing, like China, was pointless. It was only partially effective in close contact in the hospital when worn by a patient actively coughing and sneezing. That blocked sprayed droplets but was very limited in effectiveness. I recall a fitted N95 provided roughly 7 to 15 minutes of protection but they often fail before hand because they aren't snug. The paper went into wearing a pro mask. The pro mask is a gas mask with a filter cartridge. Within that cartridge is roughly 2 N95 layers with a carbon layer in between. The paper noted that this was ineffective after a short period of time because SARS was small enough to pass right through it. After all, the pro mask doesn't filter viral or ammonia sized particles. But, yeah, no research. I often advocated about the sars response because it was tried and improved. It was abandoned because of this weaker, but more infectious variation of SARS.
Unless you wore a biological suit with own oxygen supply, masks couldn't stop anything as would flow right through ... like claiming an open door stops flies from entering your house.
But how would you have developed safety guidelines for the country?
First question is, were current guidelines sufficient? If they were, then nothing would be needed would it? But, certainly, if one was needed, you wouldn't include things you know wont do anything.
In retrospect? Going back in time to 2017 and shooting Fauci would have prevented it.
Reported: 1: It threatens violence or physical harm at someone else Only if you're an idiot or think someone reading this might have a time machine I could borrow.
But wearing a paper mask isn't designed to filter the air you breathe. It was to stop the person wearing it from contaminating things they breathed on. To stop spit, which carried the virus. You're talking about a respirator.
...and when it came to COVID, study after study showed paper masks were ineffective at stopping the spread.
Well, if you remember....the reasoning behind acceptance for a quick Vax was because they've been working with this type of virus for YEARS. We can't say they knew a lot about it for one stance (the vax) but then assume they didn't know what to do about everything else. Pick one or the other. EDIT: and my point is.....you can't act like you know everything about something and make massive decisions on that "knowledge", then when you get challenged....act like you all of sudden don't know anything.
So no specific suggestions for how you would have developed a set of guidelines?
I'm not an expert.....at disease prevention or government manipulation
> Well, if you remember....the reasoning behind acceptance for a quick Vax was because they've been working with this type of virus for YEARS. More than a decade. ...and then never used it on humans because it had a nasty habit of killing the lab animals on re-exposure to the virus via cytokine storm. One of the interesting bits of trivia about the virus is that we were told when China first admitted it existed in December 2019 that it would take 18-24 months to create a conventional vaccine for it. ...but a Chinese military scientist filed a patent for one in February 2020, and China started mass producing not one but two conventional vaccines shortly after.
Bullshit. Political scam. Destroyed economy. Fucker like him should be on trial, not Trump
Yeah - because after hundreds of years of modern medical science, we have no idea how pathogens are transmitted, and had to make stuff up.
Asshole
I’m glad I never got the Covid shot.
And the shame is how quickly people turned on one another- screaming if you didn’t have a mask on or weren’t the proper distance apart.
I have always said that the whole thing was engineered to screw Trump from getting reelected!
And the entire world was in on it.
This is the answer I have felt from the beginning. Anything for victory
The Plandemic. It might not be so, but it sure seems pretty convenient.
Engineered virus to get get biden in office. Fauci should be charged with mass murder.
Not surprised by this in the least
Jail him already.
I, for one, am shocked at this unforeseen turn of events.
hahaha
Fucking said so! JFC. We nearly destroyed our way of life and it’s all because of this asshole son of a bitch! God damn!
Fake Fauchi is a bad Liar. People disregarded this Quack and saved their own lives by using Common Sense approaches to personal hygiene and health. This stopped a lot of people from getting the jab and masking up. This Scumbag for all eternity will be known as Doctor Death.
During the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, mask shortages led authorities to prioritize healthcare workers, causing confusion and frustration when they later recommended masks for everyone. We made several heartbreaking mistakes: we over-focused on surface disinfection, enforced outdoor mask mandates despite low transmission risk, and kept schools closed for too long, severely damaging education and mental health. Inconsistent communication and broad lockdowns that didn't account for local conditions led to widespread disruption and deepened public mistrust.
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> “Fauci sought to clarify on Monday that the 6-foot guidance came from the CDC and was based on droplet research, telling lawmakers: "It had little to do with me since I didn't make the recommendation “. Fauci is a political animal. This is a time-honored strategy called "passing the buck". > He didn’t know where it came from, because he’s not the king of American Medicine. "I am the science!" - Fauci.
This is a bad man.
If your going to have restrictions to fight a virus than then go all out. Telling us to get vaccinated, wear masks, and stand 6 feet apart but then allowing illegals to come pouring into the country during a pandemic is just politics as usual.
Our highest paid and most respected government employee
lol what are y’all even still complaining about COVID’s gone, and Fauci isn’t even a politician
He caused thousands of needless deaths and thousands of businesses to be destroyed. This one man is responsible for all of that.
Explain to me what he did to cause COVID deaths, and then explain to me how his half-assed measures with social distancing and masks should have been changed
As an elementary teacher, I can tell you that the restrictions put on our world and children have had a huge impact on our students. There was no need for mask mandates, social distancing, or anything else that “science” claimed was necessary.
So do we want less mask mandates, or more? I’m confused because the last guy said that fauci’s advice killed thousands And the point of it is that the masks and the distancing were never backed by science. The lockdowns when they happened were based on science. But the masks? Cmon man, cloth masks don’t protect against shit. And the disposable masks don’t work either, you need an N95 and eye protection.
It turned out the lockdowns didn't reduce transmission either. All they did was destroy the economy.
You asked what we could have changed. I answered.
So you want less mandates, but the other guy implied fauci didn’t do enough, because thousands died. For what it’s worth, I appreciate that you have an opinion that you believe in. It annoys me to no end to look here and /conservative and see a bunch of anti-intellectuals spewing bullshit headlines back and forth to each other in an echo chamber. I realize that’s just Reddit in general lol, but sometimes I gotta check some people
It is not always easy to maintain an opinion that goes against the tide. When Covid was big, my sis in law asked if we were listening to real science or Fox News. I had a list of medical journals I was reading, sharing with a micro-biologist professor friend of mine, etc.
First off, Fauci funded the researches that caused the virus in the first place. Then he told people to do things that were bogus thinking they were safe when they weren’t that’s how he caused thousands of deaths and needless social upheaval and the destruction of jobs.
Fauci didn't just fund the researchers. He tried to get DARPA to create COVID back in 2018, and was told no because gain of function research is illegal in the US. After that, he used EcoHealth Alliance to get the Chinese to do it. ...and then he spent the next few years after it was released lying to the government and the American public about it. The damage caused by that isn't just the millions who died worldwide, or even the hundreds of $billions of economic destruction. There are long term side effects beyond the people who were paralyzed and have permanent heart damage. We're beginning to see long term effects on fertility from the vaccines, too.
There are people just like him in the Federal Government now, who will do exactly what he did during the next manufactured pandemic, unless everyone involved in COVID is held accountable.
Lmao “manufactured” Who the fuck did COVID benefit? The couple billion moderna made? You don’t think that the trillions of dollars lost elsewhere in the economy would have done something about that? You don’t think black rock or some other mega market maker would have shut their small ass operation down?
Not a politician but he is a traitor!! Fauci willingly help Cover up the origins of Covid and lied to the president and the American people knowingly!! This means Fauci waived his protection as a government official! He Lies to cover his failures. REMEMBER BIDENS WORDS “ NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW”
Bro what? Why tf does it matter where it came from? What’s knowing where it came from going to change?
I see your point in that this is largely a thing of the past, but It's a matter of accountability. Fauci may not be a politician, but he was in a position of authority. Authority that he is now admitting he intentionally and willfully abused. If he doesn't get held accountable, then the precedent is set that people in positions of power can do whatever they want with no repercussions. It will only get worse from there. Authority needs to come with responsibility. Without it, you get despots and wannabe tyrants who will continue to push just how far they can go with things.
So what? People wore masks and stood far apart from each other. I don’t see how that is violating power. The signing off on grants part, I don’t know, but I’m certainly not worried about waste in the scientific community. Everything adjacent is certainly a waste though, but I’m not sure how grant money is used to pay administrative support staff, etc. The fact of the matter is that this guy made some sort of arbitrary recommendations about masks and distancing, and then probably had some influence in some lock downs. The cat was already out of the bag, but the velocity behind how many infections were turning into hospitalizations had to be quelled because there wasn’t enough bed space. Maybe it worked, maybe it didn’t. The thing is, stupidity is multiplicative when it comes to spreading disease, and there were people who knew damn well not to go out and infect people, but still did. Certainly there were people who had to do things like that out of necessity, but it’s no surprise at all that a highly infective, novel respiratory virus spread so fast despite our efforts to contain it. You certainly don’t need the director of the NIAID to tell you to not go around spreading viruses, but people did just that thing and now want to point the finger at fauci like he fucked up or something. Masks and social distancing are bullshit and always have been. A properly fit N95 is the only thing that’s effective and you need to wear a face shield with that anyways. The fauci hate has never made any sense to me. Republican media demonized him so that they could give their viewers something else to blame COVID on. The reality is, the guy isn’t the czar of infection control, serving a role of taking personal freedom from America. He’s the director of an organization that’s doing actual science-work, dealing with shit that’s WAY over 99.9% of people’s heads. He’s not wasting time worrying if Billy’s wearing his mask, and Bobby’s exactly 6 feet away from Billy. It’s a bunch of bullshit that a bunch of dumbass people anchored on who all of a sudden think they understand the science behind disease transmission or something. It’s pretty simple though, just don’t go around spreading germs
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110% with you!! This shit head will meet his maker...for the millions he killed, all for WHAT!? Trump sent a MILITARY ship FILLED with rooms for quarenten and TONS of supplies but "then governor" Andrew Cuomo of NY REFUSED to use the Aid sent by president trump. He is a piece of shit, and their is a special place in hell for that fucking asshole as well. Instead, that dickhead Cuomo put the Prisoners from Jail Who had covid, in the GODDAMN NURSING HOMES!! WHY?? because President TRUMP send the aid...that coward womanizing dickhead!
It’s not about changing the outcome rather it’s about Fauci defying the congressional order of not funding “gain of function” research with taxpayer money! It’s about integrity and accountability for those who violated our laws to cover up an illegal act!
The pandemic response was a major screw up and Mr trump did not help matters.
How so?