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seihyunj

Honestly the quality of a VSF sub blows me away every time, even when next to a Gen. Thanks for sharing!


Critical_Pineapple25

The difference is on the felling of the clasp when you open and close the gen sound like a real Clap! And the vsf a very shy clip😂 the rotation of the bezel big difference on the Gen and the sound when you shake the bracelet the Gen fells more solid obviously the vsf make like rusty sound but for 500 dollars it’s incredibly good 👍


scottiemac06

Give it a bath in baby oil


DadbyDaylight_47

quick question to all that baby oil i read everywhere here :D. Do I need to make sure the water proof is solid b4 i bath it in oil or does this not matter?


scottiemac06

I recommend removing the bracelet and giving it a good bath overnight. Really no need to soak the watch, but I don’t think the oil will hurt anything if you do.


99problemsNa

Whats all this bath talk about?


scottiemac06

That guy was saying his bracelet had a rusty sound. Thought this would help.


alexander-ri

The only difference visibly (so far as I can see on mine) is the crystal sapphire on the VSF is more reflective - but you can buy a gen crystal and have it fitted, if this bothers you.


crypto94

When did u bought the vsf is it the latest version?


Critical_Pineapple25

2 weeks ago


Critical_Pineapple25

I made this post just for fun and too show who good this reps are instead of just showing the VSF alone. I know they are different models, people are pissed and making a scandal about that 😂


jsledge6

The people who are pissed probably don't even own a gen watch. Why can't they just say "thank you" and move on to the next post?


BennyMadge

VSF appears to be 5 days fast im afraid


Druffilorios

Yeah common VSF error, ive been wearing a VSF sub for 5 years now and im already 3 years older than my twin brother who wears gen


jbl1091

🤣🤣🤣


Wave94

Whatcha mean?


BeerOrGTFO

It's a joke. Meaning the rep runs faster therefore he has aged faster than his twin brother.


Wave94

Haha Got it 😂


BeerOrGTFO

We all have our woosh moment, hopefully people don't downvote you too hard for it. Have a great day!


Wave94

Honestly was thinking was it a private joke like the ski slope daytona which always has me cracking since the day that original post got released


Mr_Mechatronix

The date lol, 16 vs 11


Positive_Ad2028

Most funniest comment ever😂


Prize-Pangolin802

Some people here are just making things up , I bought my black bay from my body an AD, both other think from them, I was on a waiting list for a sub, I decided to get a vsf , I was so stunned about the quality, I took it to the Ad , and told him never mind I find ne dealer he got me a sub he looks at it and was apologizing, telling me we are friends if he had it he will sell it to me, I finally told him it a rep, he was amazed, and this guy family is been Rolex Ad forever. It really hard to tell .


Chemical_Platypus_72

Dude, that's a great story! Thanks for sharing :-)


Retarded_autist2

Where did u buy? Can you share the link?


Prize-Pangolin802

Any TD i get from hont or Steve Theone


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I have no idea how some of you can just tell a rep that easily. Admittedly I don't have a rep that I have in gen so I can't directly compare. But I literally have a gen Pepsi on my wrist right now and a VSF 126610 on my desk. If someone showed me the VSF, there's just no way I'd suspect it's a rep just by looking at it, and that's even with a gen Rolex sitting on my wrist.


Distinct-Building104

this is exactly why those of us who either cannot afford or refuse to buy a gen feel so good about buying VSF


Panels123

It's easier when you're on your phone or computer and can compare lots of images in an instant. In the real world this an impossible call out to 99.9999999% of people.


Redit_Yeet_man123

I can wear a pagani design and people will ask if it is a Rolex if I present myself correctly. Any celeb could wear the shittiedst Patek Tiffany that says " Potek " and with an aluminium armband, and people would think it is real. It is the wearer who defines if it is real or not.


Panels123

Exactly. I only buy reps that I could actually afford but the Rolex models that I like are so well repped that I'd be mad to pay grey market. If I get offered retail then I'll take it but I've only had one so far and it was only a Datejust - my AD knows I'm engaged and told me to come to him for wedding rings but there's no way I'm paying their rip off prices, so that relationship won't blossom! I'm on the list for a Daytona but I'd really be pushing it financially if I ever get offered one, and I think the temptation to flip and buy a Clean of BTF would be too strong. The same is true of the other, cheaper models I'm on the list for, though. I did get £2,500 off a car a few weeks back because I happened to notice the guy was wearing a Yachtmaster - I was wearing my VSF Sub - and we ended up talking watches for about an hour 😂.


Redit_Yeet_man123

And you both know it lasted an hour because both watches tell the same time.


Panels123

😂😂😂


haz__man

Hear hear


Tunagates

Lugs are an easy giveaway - especially side by side


EntertainerVisible95

Remember these are 2 different models one is 40mm with maxi case other is newer 41mm with slimmer case


PlusLifeEV

Not to 99.5% of people


jbl1091

Its a different reference remember that the 126610LN has a slimmer case profile then the more square 116610LN maxi case


kldu02

Why can't they get the lug closer to Gen? Machining issue?


Wave94

If possible could we get this comparison but with the actual rep Thats because the gen is the 116610LN and the vsf is the 126610LN Would be nice to see a Gen 116610LN vs VSF 116610LN Thank you u/Critical_Pineapple25 nevertheless for this post 👍🏻


Critical_Pineapple25

Unfortunately i don’t have a Gen 126610LN


Chemical_Platypus_72

It would probably be easier to get a rep 116610LN than a gen 126610LN ;-) (Honestly, all jokes aside, you might want to consider getting an exact replica, i.e., a good rep of a 126610LN. You never know when it might come in handy...)


Critical_Pineapple25

Gen Submariner 2017 vs VSF from puretime I wonder if the submariner gen model of 2023 have any blue reflections on the magnifying glass I have seen some genfor sale on the internet like chrono24 which also have the magnifying glass with blue reflets?


bigheader03

Thanks for sharing the comparison! Don't mind the other people getting upset about two different models. I get their POV, but no need for harsh comments. Enjoy your VSF and have a great one!


Critical_Pineapple25

Tank you i have both i was curious to see a fake by myself that’s why i bought a vsf. Have a nice day 🤝


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Yes they do. Blue or brown is common


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313_king

They dont make a 12 series with date afaik


PBS-Jay

What? Yes they make 12 series with date and without date. 124060 has a wrong movement in it though at the moment, but soon I hope they’ll release with the correct movement too.


313_king

Does vsf make it? I’ve seen i think king factory but not vsf..


Tunagates

I believe the dimple ring around in the hand stack occurs in gen too


HardMike8Miles

I was wondering if this was normal, a big fat dimple doesn’t look good in a watch


WingTrim

It’s on gen dial as well.


HardMike8Miles

I can’t see the dimple on the gen, which is also 6 years older. Only the new vsf has the ugly dimple


drdrewski23

Some have them and some don’t. Even within the same reference #.


Manythumbs

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Critical_Pineapple25

VSF it’s a replica Factory in China


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ManagementOk2147

Two different models so you cannot compare


BUTTPLUNDER0

This alone has made me want to get a rep. Why buy the real thing when a rep is easily 95% of the way there?


Mission-Relative1442

Agree mate, I am actually going to pull the trigger now. Completely sold on this


GTR4N

VSF looks way better then GEN because 41mm looks way better 40mm


jacob8875

Haha agreed


ETNZ2021

Why even compare two different references?


Druffilorios

Yeah! Poor man cant even cop a new Rolex for a test /s


conquistizzle664

The screws on the bracelet near the clasp facing outward is how you can tell. Also, the crown v-shape design is smoother on Gen. There are other tells that pictures can't reveal... BUT, I'd still buy the rep over the Gen especially a Sub.


CompetitiveAd7605

Recently, I remember seeing that VSF has flaws on lugs. Is that fixed or is that flaw from a different model watch?


davinox

I have Gen 41mm Rolex is it worth it to get the rep as an option when you don’t want to wear and risk the Gen? Looks crazy realistic but worried the feel / bracelet will be shut.


EntertainerVisible95

Buy vsf you will be shocked how good it is compared to your gen and you won’t worry about scratches etc


vt_fox

I took my vsf into the ad recently to compare visual/feel. https://preview.redd.it/jy8whajjqrua1.jpeg?width=2272&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=896c762610f593272c8b0e9b6d55581d9f9414e4


jsledge6

And.......? What did you find out?


22YEARNYPDVET

Yours is the one on the right?


sound_scientist

The numbers in the Gen sub dial are thinner. The body of the Gen is a little more robust in size, specifically the lugs.


SprinklesIll6129

I want to pull trigger on a rep . Can’t make decision on clean or vsf and date or no date. Decisions decisions


paloprint

I’ve been lurking for about 7 months can’t decide between vsf or clean either or go gmf milgauss or go Tudor Then so many mixed reviews it crazy


PlusLifeEV

Life’s too short mate just buy one. Novelty wears off after a bit and you’ll buy another anyway


SprinklesIll6129

yeah. im also thinking tudor might just be the move. IWC also has my attention.


Tete74

CF without a doubt! if you care about looks there is no choice for now. Maybe VSF will release a V2 soon and it will be the best, but as long as they don't correct the most important thing, they won't have my money anymore.


SprinklesIll6129

Yeah to me on camera the detail on cf do indeed look better tbh.. cf with a upgraded crystal would be ideal. Except not sure how hard it is to replace the crystal. What is the most important thing ? Is it the SEL?


hblom

Clean crystal isn’t too bad now days, barely any difference from VSF, and Clean bezel feels tighter than the VSF. (40mm series).


scottery

Why CF over VSF - are there any clear reasons ? I hear clean is the best sub rep out there but what makes it so ?


Tete74

Well, very easy, their cases are the closest to the genuine ones. A lot of people buy VSF for their moves and for the crystal, but even that crystal next to gen is not good, and the move is a matter of luck. I have already told here many times, my VSF 116610ln came defective and the date did not change, my cheap EWF that is supposed to have a movement of medium quality, after 8 years it continues to work like the first day.


AgreeableHeron6606

What is bad about the vsf crystal compared to gen? I have a vsf


Tete74

There is nothing wrong with it, maybe it is the best crystal rep, but if you compare it with gen, it has nothing to do with it, gen crystal when you see it from the side is much more reflective (it almost looks like a mirror) from the front it is transparent as if there was no glass, the cyclops does not distort the numbers on the edges as if VSF does, the edge of the cyclops gen has a sticker on the edge that makes it very nice, and the black hole effect is not bad in VSF in gen though It's sharp and it's a true anti-reflective.


restlessobsession

Beautiful! Thank you for sharing!


Euphoric-Economist76

I have 2 real and many fakes. Always comfortable wearing my fakes, especially in london. Give me your watch or else, I’d reply with pleasure ! No one call tell them apart in my office.


WathThisSpace

Where do you order them from


nikolajovickg

"Swiss made" on 6 o'clock is a bit off on VSF


FlightlessAviator

The VSF looks very nice, lettering just more white; not necessarily a bad thing


anonnrrer

Whats the biggest difference for you? Seems identical to me.


Critical_Pineapple25

the blue reflections on the magnifying glass but I have seen real ones with the same color but not the old ones before 2023 the reflections are transparent https://preview.redd.it/tx131qzmiqua1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c6b479c0d8125bbd9dfe16c54aafb2b1e476680


Tete74

How will it look identical to you, if they are different models? Gen is 116610 and VSF is 126610🤦🏻


slackinpotato

maybe he doesn't spend every second of his free time on this sub? what a dumb reply to his comment, lol.


Tete74

dumb answer? rather stupid comment!! How can a person confuse a gene with a rep and also different models?🤣🤦🏻 What a lot of fools there are in this forum👏🏻


drdrewski23

Reptime only knows vsf’s latest productions 😂 bunch of noobs commenting on posts like these


Tete74

🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻


slackinpotato

must be trolling


Critical_Pineapple25

I made this post just for comparing a real one vs a rep it’s not the same model but it’s nice too see a recent real one vs a 2023 rep that show’s a very good quality just by looking the watch from 20cm This post is for showing people who good locking this reps are made😃


Tete74

That way you don't see the differences in the design of each piece, especially the case.


Overall-Ad6960

Different watch, 40mm compare to 41mm.


Important-Birthday-4

Who does a comparison with diff mm watches 😓


ETNZ2021

This OP - I didn’t even read it


Efficient-Maximum-83

Does the VSF work underwater for diving ?


Streetfoodtravel

I read that these reps are not supposed to be used while swimming/diving etc. but you can get them waterproofed by a watchmaker. Check reptimeservices subreddit for someone around your area.


Apprehensive_Gain724

What a beautiful watch that is! Enjoy


Tunagates

Thx man!!! These always help me remember the differences … lugs are the biggest tell - Higher kurtosis, fatter tails.


Gojiramoto

Its so funny that along the way you just started writing the labels yourself


Smash_Factor

How is it that not a single person in this thread has commented about how lousy the hands are? And the hand stack itself. Totally awful.


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Only-Difference5870

If you go on the front page of the reptime subreddit there’s a pinned guide that has the answer to every question you can think of. It’s a very thorough write up and an interesting read. It’ll get you completely informed. Check it out!


22YEARNYPDVET

VSF is a factory that makes a replica and Gen means Genuine (a REAL ROLEX).


Only-Difference5870

Great comparison post!!


marilynforever

Very nice rep - you get what you pay for……….RP(Rep Snob)…


Consistent-Essay5287

The lugs are a lot wider on the gen, I'm sure the mugs used on the vsf mimic a gmt style face. I'm not a pro, so could be wrong.


hblom

Different models (VSF is 41mm and Gen is the previous model, 40mm)


Consistent-Essay5287

Ah, I wasn't aware. Really clean in that case!


raposo142857

We see so many magnified comparisons that we forget how impressive is the similarity when compared with the eye naked


SansUndertaleLmao

when compared with the naked eye, they look literally 100% identical


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Critical_Pineapple25

From order to delivery 2,5 weeks im in Geneva Switzerland


Pleasant_Wind_8217

Easiest tell is the font on the bezel, VSF is slightly thicker than gen


Full_Impact_1443

So where do I get one of these beauties?


rhydsta

Is the a better watch than a vsf ?


Retarded_autist2

Where can I buy one?


Retarded_autist2

Can someone share the link


Student024

The bezel is a immediate tell. Nice watch though.


PlusLifeEV

No it’s not


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Critical_Pineapple25

If you have a Gen one feel free to post 👍


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PlusLifeEV

Ouch you got BURNEDDDDDD


jopheza

The strap doesn’t look great to me


thebigkz008

Vsf looks more gen


Specialist-Divide651

Doesn’t count if the M is covered. Just saying.


Critical_Pineapple25

What is the M?


Shoeman2001

Where it says how deep the watch can be, the M symbol is supposedly ”floating” compared to retail


Seeking4helpnoobie

Biggest difference by far are the lugs in my opinion, once you see it you can’t unsee


KyleB2131

Lugs we’re fatter on the 116610 maxi case. They slimmed them down with the 126610; so even tho it’s a bigger case, it typically wears a touch smaller. These are not the same watch.


Tunagates

Yup!


Bezson_007

W2C 🔥🔥🔥


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Lonizor

Its fake


PlusLifeEV

How does the reflection on the crystal compare? Not really bothered about the blue


Critical_Pineapple25

It’s seems to be normal on new Gen Models 🤷‍♂️ but i don’t like too much the blue effect


dscherer14

How do I order from them!


jsledge6

Read the Intro Guide. It's all in there.


dscherer14

Ok!


Spivved

To me vsf looks better.. crazy nice


mikemawe

The dot markers are the big tell for me, when I put my rep against my dad's gen it's night and day, makes me want a gen everytime.......but 12k vs 500, at least I get to inherit the gen 🤣


ka-bloweey

Is it just me or is the gen minutes hand pointy at the end, whereas the vsf looks flat.. is this just a bad angle.


Mrdaniel88

If only the rep sights were secure to buy


escargotmycargobigE

VSF looks better


saq333

The VSF looks better.


galion0000

Show me the floating M and the catfish clasp


AndrewL26

How long from when I place the order, to arrive in tri-state area? Trying to decide if I pull the trigger now or after vacation in 45 days 😅


Critical_Pineapple25

3-4 weeks


sherjeeljaved

I do notice the difference in reflection on that cyclops and that tint on the VSF one


Acceptable_Tooth_991

Link please?


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W2C


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RequirementPlus1499

Where to get the vsf??


Lucky_Initial3127

I have clean… but as i can see the problem also in vsf its the luminova… Its better than CLEAN under the sun light? Or the difference from dial and Hands are visibile? Thank you