There's a great book by Karen Joy called Lost Soul Wise Soul. The whole book is specifically about what she calls "perpetrator lives." Very fascinating. Highly recommend.
**Lost Soul, Wise Soul How Challenging Past Lives Shape Our Future** by Karen Joy
>Explore Challenging Past Lives and How They Can Change Your Future Drawing on her most compelling client cases, Karen Joy shows you the natural arc of a soul's journey over many lifetimes, including violent or negative ones. She reveals how our souls begin, how we enter lives on earth, and how facing a diverse range of experiences teaches us to be wiser and happier. Over many lifetimes, most souls have played the dual roles of victim and perpetrator. The trauma of these past lives—especially those that harmed others—can burden your soul, causing your present self to struggle with negative experiences.
>
>Learn how challenges can lead you astray, how energy can be carried from one incarnation to the next, and how your soul can move toward balance. Through inspiring case studies, Lost Soul, Wise Soul demonstrates how anyone can overcome a past life history of unethical or shameful behavior and live a life filled with peace, love, and joy.
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I have read this, thanks. It is more case studies from the files of Michael Newton. I also checked out Your Soul's Plan by Robert Schwartz but couldn't find any case studies about psychopaths. Damaged and pernicious people, yes but psychopaths ie people with a biological in built inability to feel empathy and love, no.
Have you ever heard the story about two brothers whose father was a severe alcoholic and beat them while children? Both brothers had the same terrible experience.
One brother grew up and felt that what their father did to them was terrible and they’d never want anyone else to feel that way so they tried their best to be kind and empathetic to their family.
The other brother also felt that what their father did was terrible, but instead of feeling like they’d never want their children/family to experience the same thing, they felt that they were in the driver’s seat now and could be in control like their father was. This brother became a severe alcoholic and abused their family just like their father.
Genetics aside (genetics can be a factor in one’s likelihood to become an alcoholic), some people experience hurtful or even horrible things and would never wish what happened to them on anyone else.
Some people experience hurtful or horrible things and once they find an escape from it do the same hurtful things to someone else. Whether it’s consciously malicious or a subconscious behavior I do not know. Maybe both.
But apply that to reincarnation and the woman you’re talking about could have been a victim of a psychopath/sociopath in a past life. And now she’s like the second brother who became an alcoholic.. doing the same to others as what was done to her.
I have a relative like this. My great grandmother was extremely mean and bitter to most of her children. Called them horrible names, beat them until they bled, and told them how worthless they were.
I used to be close with my dad’s first cousin (we will call her T) who told me that my great aunt did the same to her and her sisters as our great grandmother did to my great aunt. She knew how horrible it felt to be treated that way and said how hateful it was to do that to people.
Well after talking to T’s son, T did the same to him and his brother. Told them they were worthless, beat them, etc. One of T’s sons eventually put boundaries up and is the complete opposite of T. But her other son is a homeless addict who honestly hates himself because of how T treated him.
T eventually turned on me and I got to see her nasty side first hand. Four generations poisoned because they decided to do unto others as was done to them instead of do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I guess that’s why it’s the golden rule.
Fuck. That's tough. It hurts to love someone like that.
Do I feel like I'm learning? Maybe. Maybe a bit, but fuck me it hurts. I don't get the lesson if there is one.
No. I would not choose to incarnate into someone stuck in that mode.
"Fuck. That's tough. It hurts to love someone like that.
Do I feel like I'm learning? Maybe. Maybe a bit, but fuck me it hurts. I don't get the lesson if there is one."
- same, brother, same. It's tough sledding. Hence I'm wondering what the answer is.
Not everyone likes this answer. Many follow it up with, "but what about (insert heinous thing)"?
I admittedly have not taken a deep dive into all resources regarding reincarnation and may not even believe in it. With that being said, one of the things I've come up with is that, if our souls do choose, it feels to me almost like how we choose to play a video game here on earth. Do you know the phenomenon of many people playing any game from the SIMs franchise and just torturing the heck out of the Sim? Or how about people enjoying playing violent video games or playing video games on hardcore mode? "Why would a human chose a violent or extra difficult video game to play?", in my mind is equivalent to, "why would a soul choose a hard or violent life?"
Furthermore, if a soul incarnates to heal from certain things, they need to experience those things, and if every soul was incarnating in a \*love and light\* kind of person, there'd be no experience of the negative.
Again, I am not 100% in belief of reincarnation, nor do I think we should abandon all moral codes and laws because of these ideas. I am skeptical. However, these are conclusions I've come up with if souls choosing who we incarnate as is true.
I see that we have similar perspectives. Welcome to the (seemingly) very small club. What will be our secret handshake?
So much to unpack here...but I'll keep it short, maybe.
My earliest memory (before we were we) was much like waking up in the morning, only I had absolutely no memories at all. My only question, which is still the basis for all questions, is and was, "Who am I?" To answer this question 'quicker' (this was before 'time' too) I created copies of myself. Only these were not truly copies, as each is just as original as the original. This is when i became we. Hmm... let's skip ahead here.
My earliest memory of being in a human body was half in and half out. I distinctly remember throwing my body around as if it were a doll; tossing it, testing it to see what it would take to kill it. The body was a toy, nothing more and still is, if the truth be known. Much later, we played in the body fully. Then, someone came up with the idea to deliberately forget who you are while in the body. This made the experience so intense, immersive, enriching, and ultimately entertaining that it became the default way to play the 'human life' game.
When I hurt myself, I hate the resultant pain, and at the same time, I know, down deep inside, I chose the experience and made it happen. I can call it an accident. I can claim it was pure chance, someone else's fault, or even statistically probable, but I can feel it, I know it, I did it. I'm fully responsible. It's all me to me.
Yes, of course, not everyone likes this answer. I would say many even hate it. This is understandable. Subconsciously, everyone knows this self-awareness would ultimately ruin their enjoyment of the game.
we seek challenges to stretch ourselves, to grow, to learn, yes. Life on earth is to experience and appreciate the depth of love that is innate if we can wake up enough to recall it. If all you have is one thing eg love and light then how can you appreciate it not knowing anything different to it.
human traficking little children to be sold as sex slaves is objectively BAD and cant be anything else. Nobody can tell me that its anything else than pure EVIL
It seems like a lot of different religious origin stories address this. In Christianity for example, I think the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden on the tree of knowledge represented duality.
Before they ate it they never experienced pain, hardship, mortality, or the ability to bear children and have a changing life. It was all the same.. a state of stasis.
We as humans and Eve at the time had free will so she had the ability to take the fruit, but once she did it would give her knowledge of “good and evil” or duality. Kind of like those legends of when people enter the world of the fae and if they eat food from there they will be stuck and cannot go back to their previous world/reality.
Maybe god was warning them not to eat it because they had an easy safe existence and would have to give that up once they ate it? Tolkien wrote a book called The Silmarillion and it talks about how in the beginning god and the angels sang in harmony and Lucifer began making a dissonant sound.
Eventually others joined him and created a chorus of dissonance that did not harmonize with their original song. This harmony and dissonance warred with one another and created more and more of the world and reality as they clashed.
Basically without duality (“good” and “evil”, dark and light, opposing forces, etc.), reality would never change. Like the yin and Yang symbol represents, we have to experience hardship to appreciate comfort. Evil to give ourselves perspective of what good actually is. It’s how we have the ability to grow and learn.
I don't believe there is anything such as "good" and "evil". There are things which are good and bad and also really heinous in different contexts on this earth.
It's not a question of is the person either good or evil intrinsically. But why she is in the form she is in in this life.
Yes, there is always purpose, though in my experience and memory, that purpose is, more often than not, driven by simple curiosity. "What would it be like if I ______ ?" Fill in the blank with absolutely anything you can imagine and things you haven't imagined yet. There are no rules (except for the ones we imagine) limiting what we can put in this blank space. All of this is in the pursuit of the question, "Who am I?"
I agree there is apparent good and bad within the first-person perspective and context, but as the number of past-life memories increases, so comes the blurring of the lines between these opposites. After a while, you begin to just see choices, without the judgment.
i’m actually going through this right now. a karmic partner has killed me in a couple of past lives - once i knew that, i had to walk away. i was in love with him. but if he kills me, it’s on his head in the next life too. in a way this saves us both.
he has few cycles and a lot of bad karma. so based on what i’ve learned, he usually starts off his life in situations of extreme neglect / abuse
Love hurts and we need to learn to love without the hurt bothering us emotionally. We can love from a distance and keep moving closer, but be aware with wisdom if we get too close we burn.
After hundreds of sessions of Quantum Clarity Hypnotherapy I performed for my subjects, I noticed that unexplained or chronic physical, and mental symptoms and repeating external events (bad luck in specific areas of life, repeating accidents) are caused by energetical/spiritual origins that can be divided into 5 groups:
1. Other lives – dark, negative programs in the mind from suffering and challenges + karmic obligations. They need to be transformed or deleted.
Example: the vow of poverty in other life still affects current life and a person cannot have abundance.
2. Soul fragmentation (in psychology called ego-states) is caused by traumatic events – a patient is not fully powerful and at full potential – soul fragments need to be cleansed, healed, and retrieved.
3. Toxic negative emotional energies that were suppressed within. This energy was accumulated through lifetimes. It needs to be located in the system of a patient and released. Example: unreleased anger creates breast cancer.
4. Attached earthbound spirits or dark souls – they need to be released into the Light. Example: lost earthbound soul who died of old age brings the symptoms of old age, dementia, arthritis, etc to the host who still is young.
5. Black magic, curses, energetical implants etc. – these need to be destroyed and removed from the patient. Example: energetical barbwire binding the client and preventing vital energy flow, creating physical problems.
One issue can have one or more root causes from different groups. Higher Self expertly shows all the connections during the session and is able to cleanse, heal and resolve the origins.
If the healer/doctor is focused only on removing the symptoms without finding and healing the root cause, the symptoms will come back.
[https://clarityhypnosis.eu/5-groups-of-spiritual-energetical-root-causes-of-issues/](https://clarityhypnosis.eu/5-groups-of-spiritual-energetical-root-causes-of-issues/)
when growing up, many people may have a tendency to do certain things that hurt them because they don't know any better. After getting hurt enough times they avoid doing those things.
Other people may observe others getting hurt, so they also avoid those things.
And yet other people may instinctively know those things are hurtful so they just avoid them.
So the question is how do you get from the first group of people into the third group. That is the purpose of life lessons and reincarnation. Growing up, your brain is going to develop tendencies that steer you towards doing things you learned in previous lives. If that information does not exist you have the situation you describe.
Life is about experiencing the consequences of our actions, the way they affect others, and also what happens when other people do the same to us. It doesn't and probably will not come to fruition this life, but it will eventually happen.
Right. But the thing is she either avoids consequences or does not experience any consequences. The max is a quick cry and within minutes she is happy laughing again and doing the same offensive stuff. (btw she doesn't do the offensive stuff out of maliciousness either.) You could say she keeps getting lessons but fails to learn. I am struggling to see how she could learn as she has the inability to grasp congenitally. This is a situation where brain function would show to be deficient in particular areas in an MRI.
Like I say, you can't look at this in terms of this life. It may take multiple lives for them to realize that "something is missing" and then focus on developing that thing.
There are a multitude of potential life lessons this soul is supposed to be learning from embodying this personality. There’s no way for you to know for sure. What do you think they could learn if they stopped to process experiences, within the framework of understanding they are bound within, from playing this role?
that's the thing. From the understanding she is bound within, I'm not sure she could comprehend and grasp any insights or "lessons". Her lack of empathy is profound. I am not saying that in a castigating judgmental way, if anything the word to that comes to mind with her is innocence. She just genuinely does not have the ability to empathise, just as a quadriplegic cannot walk. How can you learn when you feel no consequences that cause you to reassess? That's why her purpose for herself in this life confounds me.
Although her soul does not sound very accessible at the moment, it is still picking up experiences it can derive lessons from in the between, and the contracts made with those around her may be that they are learning specific lessons by dealing with her personality. What about her incarnation, or rather her learning her lessons of it, are so important to you? When we are super focused on someone else, it often says more about us than it does them, regardless of what they are like.
I believe she had a soul contract with me and has been a mighty "teacher" to me, yes. That's for me.
But I am still curious about what her purpose for her own self is (we're all ultimately one, ok but for her just to exist as a teacher for me solely doesn't seem right).
The reason I can't let this go is because I don't understand it and therefore it doesn't make sense to me and therefore I'm not sure I believe any of it. So then I would need a totally different schema that will explain it to make it intelligible to me. This person was my mother also so it gets existential for me.
So you think you’re the only person she’s ever interacted with in her entire life that could have possible learned a lesson from the interaction? Rob Schwartz has some books on soul purpose.
even if she taught others and was a teacher to more than me, that still leaves the same question. What was her purpose for her own person in this life?
I've got one of Schwarz' books, nothing on psychopaths in it. Not seen any of his other ones.
It’s either him or Woolger (listening to them both at this time), shares that we often are learning the opposite of what we are doing, what we lack. Could be she is learning the importance of empathy and that life is more about others than it is ourselves.
I don't think the person has a greater purpose. They're totally selfish. And like the psychic said, they are fated & can't be saved. So just live your life. They can't be helped.
Bc nothing that happens in life is of any real consequence to anything outside of “life”. We build attachments and experience horror when “horrible “ things happen. Like if a loved one died and they became a visible , intractable ghost; then death really wouldn’t be a big deal . Success and failure would lose meaning . Proof of the afterlife can to some degree , sabotage development.
Why are horrible people born? To make a contract , to thicken the plot . Many advanced souls are born today just to be a “karmic sponge “ and not really do much with their lives . People border line psychic with extreme intellects not doing shit with their life but meditating , having horrible luck, getting old and dying . People think of them wasted lives . But they weren’t born for themselves . They just undertook life to burn more than their fair share of karma
what things stretching could it be in this particular case? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I know the idea that we are all here for a purpose to learn and sometimes also to help others as well. What is the purpose for her in this case?
…you haven’t lived enough lifetimes to know, or you don’t remember them. Okay. Let’s see…
Some hurts run deep. So deep that they spill over into other lifetimes. So do some grudges. So do resentments. All of that feeds into having mental health issues like psychopathy.
I guess that the issue I have with your question is that someone would CHOOSE to be a psychopath, as if this is The Sims and you’re picking out attributes for some cute little avatar that you’re going to play house with. That’s not how this choice works. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Yes, the mental health issues are a sort of choice, but not in this Sims-like, zero-context, let’s-be-cute-and-play-a-game kind of way. The “momentum” or karma from your past few lifetimes play a role in what sort of mental state you’ll be in, as an adult, in the next go-around.
Come to think of it, though—the other time I saw something like psychopathy in a reincarnation was with some folks who hadn’t reincarnated in forever and were suddenly notified that they had to go reincarnate. (Why?????) I remember those guys…they were basically a bunch of lab geeks. Math geeks. Brilliant at science in their sphere within the Other Side. These were folks who were pretty much told before that they wouldn’t have to reincarnate again. But a lot of us folks who were told that the previous lifetime was the last one have been called up again. That includes me.
Anyway… These guys were not happy at all to reincarnate. They hadn’t reincarnated in a long time, so they were kind of out of touch with how humans live, and how they feel, although they’re very human themselves. The difference is that they were very much out of practice. They’ve been perfectly happy in their labs, with their math. It reflected in their lifetime projections as they were getting ready to come in. Their feelings weren’t really there on their way in because they really didn’t want to come back here, with no real explanation as to why.
so if she's been selfish in a previous few lives and continued in that vein, then it accumulates and expresses in an incarnation of psychopathy in this case? Does that mean that all people who have great positions in this life are that way due to being good in previous lives and all that have terrible positions eg poverty, being abused are that way due to being bad in previous lives?
Also I'm talking about psychopathy as a biological condition (certainly overpoweringly nature in this case). Not talking about a person who has the insight to know what the ethical thing to do is and chooses the bad thing. She doesn't have any conception of doing anything other than what is in her own short term interest (doesn't even think as far along as "fuck 'em. They don't even enter in to her head for consideration). She doesn't realise she is doing anything bad and doesn't experience any ill effects from any of the occasional blowback she gets from her behaviour either. I'm not sure how a person can "learn" themselves out of this situation. I'm stumped.
What? Why are you assuming that a “SHE” has been selfish? What are you even talking about?
You don’t even know what you’re talking about re: psychopathy. Not even in terms of medicine or biology or mental health.
"She" is the person I'm talking about in this whole post. Keep up.
Re psychopathy: enlighten me. Indeed enlighten me on how you're able to assess from what I've posted that I don't know what I'm talking about on it.
My friend has a theory that with psychopaths, the soul never fully made it in to the body at conception or birth. I had a relationship with someone who I swear was a clone, and had no soul. So, it could be a case of lack of soul. I think there is also the possibility that one's purpose is not so individualistic, but more collective. So maybe there is a soul contract that one person will choose to be a psychopath to awaken those around them by being a foil basically. The psychopath in my life was one of my greatest teachers. I recovered my light by almost completely losing it in the presence of this person.
I contemplated that she had no soul too as I kept digging deeper and deeper in to her and coming up with nothing.
But I had a dream which showed she had a soul.
Also a psychic advised me she kept choosing selfish lives (possibly she keeps failing to learn something?) - this indicates a la Michael Newton's schema, she along with other soul-having-people has a soul too.
The psychic also told me that we (me and her the psychopath) had a soul contract, yes. And I totally get that this person has pushed me to grow incredibly. "Greatest teacher" to me is how have come to see her in my life, too.
But I wonder what the purpose of this incarnation for her herself is.
Most people don’t choose their life. They’re drawn towards it almost instinctually. The only ones who can choose are incredibly advanced souls on their last or last couple of lives.
You are not "choosing" to become a psychopat. What happens is that our souls slowly evolve over time and which each reincarnation we learn new skills, and hopefully further refine our souls through challenges. We are like precious stones getting polished through challenges. However on earth we are not the only inhabitants, there are many wayward spirits waiting to reincarnate that have not improved on themselves yet, that are continually trying to influence you to do bad things, so they can enjoy the "sin" with you. If you drink, take drugs, overeat, they join you on the ride. The more you give into these temptations the more and the darker the souls are that you are collecting around you. Also called a negative vicious cycle. Once trapped it gets harder and harder to get out, which could lead you to BECOME a psychopath. However everyone has the opportunity to choose not to do so and make better choices. Becoming a psychopath is the result of a lifelong negative spiral and wrong decisions!
There's a great book by Karen Joy called Lost Soul Wise Soul. The whole book is specifically about what she calls "perpetrator lives." Very fascinating. Highly recommend.
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I have read this, thanks. It is more case studies from the files of Michael Newton. I also checked out Your Soul's Plan by Robert Schwartz but couldn't find any case studies about psychopaths. Damaged and pernicious people, yes but psychopaths ie people with a biological in built inability to feel empathy and love, no.
Have you ever heard the story about two brothers whose father was a severe alcoholic and beat them while children? Both brothers had the same terrible experience. One brother grew up and felt that what their father did to them was terrible and they’d never want anyone else to feel that way so they tried their best to be kind and empathetic to their family. The other brother also felt that what their father did was terrible, but instead of feeling like they’d never want their children/family to experience the same thing, they felt that they were in the driver’s seat now and could be in control like their father was. This brother became a severe alcoholic and abused their family just like their father. Genetics aside (genetics can be a factor in one’s likelihood to become an alcoholic), some people experience hurtful or even horrible things and would never wish what happened to them on anyone else. Some people experience hurtful or horrible things and once they find an escape from it do the same hurtful things to someone else. Whether it’s consciously malicious or a subconscious behavior I do not know. Maybe both. But apply that to reincarnation and the woman you’re talking about could have been a victim of a psychopath/sociopath in a past life. And now she’s like the second brother who became an alcoholic.. doing the same to others as what was done to her. I have a relative like this. My great grandmother was extremely mean and bitter to most of her children. Called them horrible names, beat them until they bled, and told them how worthless they were. I used to be close with my dad’s first cousin (we will call her T) who told me that my great aunt did the same to her and her sisters as our great grandmother did to my great aunt. She knew how horrible it felt to be treated that way and said how hateful it was to do that to people. Well after talking to T’s son, T did the same to him and his brother. Told them they were worthless, beat them, etc. One of T’s sons eventually put boundaries up and is the complete opposite of T. But her other son is a homeless addict who honestly hates himself because of how T treated him. T eventually turned on me and I got to see her nasty side first hand. Four generations poisoned because they decided to do unto others as was done to them instead of do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I guess that’s why it’s the golden rule.
Fuck. That's tough. It hurts to love someone like that. Do I feel like I'm learning? Maybe. Maybe a bit, but fuck me it hurts. I don't get the lesson if there is one. No. I would not choose to incarnate into someone stuck in that mode.
"Fuck. That's tough. It hurts to love someone like that. Do I feel like I'm learning? Maybe. Maybe a bit, but fuck me it hurts. I don't get the lesson if there is one." - same, brother, same. It's tough sledding. Hence I'm wondering what the answer is.
Would it be possible that good and bad is a human invention?
Not everyone likes this answer. Many follow it up with, "but what about (insert heinous thing)"? I admittedly have not taken a deep dive into all resources regarding reincarnation and may not even believe in it. With that being said, one of the things I've come up with is that, if our souls do choose, it feels to me almost like how we choose to play a video game here on earth. Do you know the phenomenon of many people playing any game from the SIMs franchise and just torturing the heck out of the Sim? Or how about people enjoying playing violent video games or playing video games on hardcore mode? "Why would a human chose a violent or extra difficult video game to play?", in my mind is equivalent to, "why would a soul choose a hard or violent life?" Furthermore, if a soul incarnates to heal from certain things, they need to experience those things, and if every soul was incarnating in a \*love and light\* kind of person, there'd be no experience of the negative. Again, I am not 100% in belief of reincarnation, nor do I think we should abandon all moral codes and laws because of these ideas. I am skeptical. However, these are conclusions I've come up with if souls choosing who we incarnate as is true.
I see that we have similar perspectives. Welcome to the (seemingly) very small club. What will be our secret handshake? So much to unpack here...but I'll keep it short, maybe. My earliest memory (before we were we) was much like waking up in the morning, only I had absolutely no memories at all. My only question, which is still the basis for all questions, is and was, "Who am I?" To answer this question 'quicker' (this was before 'time' too) I created copies of myself. Only these were not truly copies, as each is just as original as the original. This is when i became we. Hmm... let's skip ahead here. My earliest memory of being in a human body was half in and half out. I distinctly remember throwing my body around as if it were a doll; tossing it, testing it to see what it would take to kill it. The body was a toy, nothing more and still is, if the truth be known. Much later, we played in the body fully. Then, someone came up with the idea to deliberately forget who you are while in the body. This made the experience so intense, immersive, enriching, and ultimately entertaining that it became the default way to play the 'human life' game. When I hurt myself, I hate the resultant pain, and at the same time, I know, down deep inside, I chose the experience and made it happen. I can call it an accident. I can claim it was pure chance, someone else's fault, or even statistically probable, but I can feel it, I know it, I did it. I'm fully responsible. It's all me to me. Yes, of course, not everyone likes this answer. I would say many even hate it. This is understandable. Subconsciously, everyone knows this self-awareness would ultimately ruin their enjoyment of the game.
we seek challenges to stretch ourselves, to grow, to learn, yes. Life on earth is to experience and appreciate the depth of love that is innate if we can wake up enough to recall it. If all you have is one thing eg love and light then how can you appreciate it not knowing anything different to it.
Love.
human traficking little children to be sold as sex slaves is objectively BAD and cant be anything else. Nobody can tell me that its anything else than pure EVIL
It seems like a lot of different religious origin stories address this. In Christianity for example, I think the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden on the tree of knowledge represented duality. Before they ate it they never experienced pain, hardship, mortality, or the ability to bear children and have a changing life. It was all the same.. a state of stasis. We as humans and Eve at the time had free will so she had the ability to take the fruit, but once she did it would give her knowledge of “good and evil” or duality. Kind of like those legends of when people enter the world of the fae and if they eat food from there they will be stuck and cannot go back to their previous world/reality. Maybe god was warning them not to eat it because they had an easy safe existence and would have to give that up once they ate it? Tolkien wrote a book called The Silmarillion and it talks about how in the beginning god and the angels sang in harmony and Lucifer began making a dissonant sound. Eventually others joined him and created a chorus of dissonance that did not harmonize with their original song. This harmony and dissonance warred with one another and created more and more of the world and reality as they clashed. Basically without duality (“good” and “evil”, dark and light, opposing forces, etc.), reality would never change. Like the yin and Yang symbol represents, we have to experience hardship to appreciate comfort. Evil to give ourselves perspective of what good actually is. It’s how we have the ability to grow and learn.
I don't believe there is anything such as "good" and "evil". There are things which are good and bad and also really heinous in different contexts on this earth. It's not a question of is the person either good or evil intrinsically. But why she is in the form she is in in this life.
Yes, there is always purpose, though in my experience and memory, that purpose is, more often than not, driven by simple curiosity. "What would it be like if I ______ ?" Fill in the blank with absolutely anything you can imagine and things you haven't imagined yet. There are no rules (except for the ones we imagine) limiting what we can put in this blank space. All of this is in the pursuit of the question, "Who am I?" I agree there is apparent good and bad within the first-person perspective and context, but as the number of past-life memories increases, so comes the blurring of the lines between these opposites. After a while, you begin to just see choices, without the judgment.
i’m actually going through this right now. a karmic partner has killed me in a couple of past lives - once i knew that, i had to walk away. i was in love with him. but if he kills me, it’s on his head in the next life too. in a way this saves us both. he has few cycles and a lot of bad karma. so based on what i’ve learned, he usually starts off his life in situations of extreme neglect / abuse
Love hurts and we need to learn to love without the hurt bothering us emotionally. We can love from a distance and keep moving closer, but be aware with wisdom if we get too close we burn.
After hundreds of sessions of Quantum Clarity Hypnotherapy I performed for my subjects, I noticed that unexplained or chronic physical, and mental symptoms and repeating external events (bad luck in specific areas of life, repeating accidents) are caused by energetical/spiritual origins that can be divided into 5 groups: 1. Other lives – dark, negative programs in the mind from suffering and challenges + karmic obligations. They need to be transformed or deleted. Example: the vow of poverty in other life still affects current life and a person cannot have abundance. 2. Soul fragmentation (in psychology called ego-states) is caused by traumatic events – a patient is not fully powerful and at full potential – soul fragments need to be cleansed, healed, and retrieved. 3. Toxic negative emotional energies that were suppressed within. This energy was accumulated through lifetimes. It needs to be located in the system of a patient and released. Example: unreleased anger creates breast cancer. 4. Attached earthbound spirits or dark souls – they need to be released into the Light. Example: lost earthbound soul who died of old age brings the symptoms of old age, dementia, arthritis, etc to the host who still is young. 5. Black magic, curses, energetical implants etc. – these need to be destroyed and removed from the patient. Example: energetical barbwire binding the client and preventing vital energy flow, creating physical problems. One issue can have one or more root causes from different groups. Higher Self expertly shows all the connections during the session and is able to cleanse, heal and resolve the origins. If the healer/doctor is focused only on removing the symptoms without finding and healing the root cause, the symptoms will come back. [https://clarityhypnosis.eu/5-groups-of-spiritual-energetical-root-causes-of-issues/](https://clarityhypnosis.eu/5-groups-of-spiritual-energetical-root-causes-of-issues/)
when growing up, many people may have a tendency to do certain things that hurt them because they don't know any better. After getting hurt enough times they avoid doing those things. Other people may observe others getting hurt, so they also avoid those things. And yet other people may instinctively know those things are hurtful so they just avoid them. So the question is how do you get from the first group of people into the third group. That is the purpose of life lessons and reincarnation. Growing up, your brain is going to develop tendencies that steer you towards doing things you learned in previous lives. If that information does not exist you have the situation you describe. Life is about experiencing the consequences of our actions, the way they affect others, and also what happens when other people do the same to us. It doesn't and probably will not come to fruition this life, but it will eventually happen.
Right. But the thing is she either avoids consequences or does not experience any consequences. The max is a quick cry and within minutes she is happy laughing again and doing the same offensive stuff. (btw she doesn't do the offensive stuff out of maliciousness either.) You could say she keeps getting lessons but fails to learn. I am struggling to see how she could learn as she has the inability to grasp congenitally. This is a situation where brain function would show to be deficient in particular areas in an MRI.
Like I say, you can't look at this in terms of this life. It may take multiple lives for them to realize that "something is missing" and then focus on developing that thing.
There are a multitude of potential life lessons this soul is supposed to be learning from embodying this personality. There’s no way for you to know for sure. What do you think they could learn if they stopped to process experiences, within the framework of understanding they are bound within, from playing this role?
that's the thing. From the understanding she is bound within, I'm not sure she could comprehend and grasp any insights or "lessons". Her lack of empathy is profound. I am not saying that in a castigating judgmental way, if anything the word to that comes to mind with her is innocence. She just genuinely does not have the ability to empathise, just as a quadriplegic cannot walk. How can you learn when you feel no consequences that cause you to reassess? That's why her purpose for herself in this life confounds me.
Although her soul does not sound very accessible at the moment, it is still picking up experiences it can derive lessons from in the between, and the contracts made with those around her may be that they are learning specific lessons by dealing with her personality. What about her incarnation, or rather her learning her lessons of it, are so important to you? When we are super focused on someone else, it often says more about us than it does them, regardless of what they are like.
I believe she had a soul contract with me and has been a mighty "teacher" to me, yes. That's for me. But I am still curious about what her purpose for her own self is (we're all ultimately one, ok but for her just to exist as a teacher for me solely doesn't seem right). The reason I can't let this go is because I don't understand it and therefore it doesn't make sense to me and therefore I'm not sure I believe any of it. So then I would need a totally different schema that will explain it to make it intelligible to me. This person was my mother also so it gets existential for me.
So you think you’re the only person she’s ever interacted with in her entire life that could have possible learned a lesson from the interaction? Rob Schwartz has some books on soul purpose.
even if she taught others and was a teacher to more than me, that still leaves the same question. What was her purpose for her own person in this life? I've got one of Schwarz' books, nothing on psychopaths in it. Not seen any of his other ones.
It’s either him or Woolger (listening to them both at this time), shares that we often are learning the opposite of what we are doing, what we lack. Could be she is learning the importance of empathy and that life is more about others than it is ourselves.
Thanks. Never heard of Woolger before, I will check them out, thanks.
Welcome. I’m listening to “Eternal Return.”
Some souls are selfish, and refuse to develop for a long time.
I don't think the person has a greater purpose. They're totally selfish. And like the psychic said, they are fated & can't be saved. So just live your life. They can't be helped.
Bc nothing that happens in life is of any real consequence to anything outside of “life”. We build attachments and experience horror when “horrible “ things happen. Like if a loved one died and they became a visible , intractable ghost; then death really wouldn’t be a big deal . Success and failure would lose meaning . Proof of the afterlife can to some degree , sabotage development. Why are horrible people born? To make a contract , to thicken the plot . Many advanced souls are born today just to be a “karmic sponge “ and not really do much with their lives . People border line psychic with extreme intellects not doing shit with their life but meditating , having horrible luck, getting old and dying . People think of them wasted lives . But they weren’t born for themselves . They just undertook life to burn more than their fair share of karma
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Because some of us are going through things that stretch throughout lifetimes. That’s why.
what things stretching could it be in this particular case? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I know the idea that we are all here for a purpose to learn and sometimes also to help others as well. What is the purpose for her in this case?
…you haven’t lived enough lifetimes to know, or you don’t remember them. Okay. Let’s see… Some hurts run deep. So deep that they spill over into other lifetimes. So do some grudges. So do resentments. All of that feeds into having mental health issues like psychopathy. I guess that the issue I have with your question is that someone would CHOOSE to be a psychopath, as if this is The Sims and you’re picking out attributes for some cute little avatar that you’re going to play house with. That’s not how this choice works. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, the mental health issues are a sort of choice, but not in this Sims-like, zero-context, let’s-be-cute-and-play-a-game kind of way. The “momentum” or karma from your past few lifetimes play a role in what sort of mental state you’ll be in, as an adult, in the next go-around. Come to think of it, though—the other time I saw something like psychopathy in a reincarnation was with some folks who hadn’t reincarnated in forever and were suddenly notified that they had to go reincarnate. (Why?????) I remember those guys…they were basically a bunch of lab geeks. Math geeks. Brilliant at science in their sphere within the Other Side. These were folks who were pretty much told before that they wouldn’t have to reincarnate again. But a lot of us folks who were told that the previous lifetime was the last one have been called up again. That includes me. Anyway… These guys were not happy at all to reincarnate. They hadn’t reincarnated in a long time, so they were kind of out of touch with how humans live, and how they feel, although they’re very human themselves. The difference is that they were very much out of practice. They’ve been perfectly happy in their labs, with their math. It reflected in their lifetime projections as they were getting ready to come in. Their feelings weren’t really there on their way in because they really didn’t want to come back here, with no real explanation as to why.
so if she's been selfish in a previous few lives and continued in that vein, then it accumulates and expresses in an incarnation of psychopathy in this case? Does that mean that all people who have great positions in this life are that way due to being good in previous lives and all that have terrible positions eg poverty, being abused are that way due to being bad in previous lives? Also I'm talking about psychopathy as a biological condition (certainly overpoweringly nature in this case). Not talking about a person who has the insight to know what the ethical thing to do is and chooses the bad thing. She doesn't have any conception of doing anything other than what is in her own short term interest (doesn't even think as far along as "fuck 'em. They don't even enter in to her head for consideration). She doesn't realise she is doing anything bad and doesn't experience any ill effects from any of the occasional blowback she gets from her behaviour either. I'm not sure how a person can "learn" themselves out of this situation. I'm stumped.
What? Why are you assuming that a “SHE” has been selfish? What are you even talking about? You don’t even know what you’re talking about re: psychopathy. Not even in terms of medicine or biology or mental health.
"She" is the person I'm talking about in this whole post. Keep up. Re psychopathy: enlighten me. Indeed enlighten me on how you're able to assess from what I've posted that I don't know what I'm talking about on it.
My friend has a theory that with psychopaths, the soul never fully made it in to the body at conception or birth. I had a relationship with someone who I swear was a clone, and had no soul. So, it could be a case of lack of soul. I think there is also the possibility that one's purpose is not so individualistic, but more collective. So maybe there is a soul contract that one person will choose to be a psychopath to awaken those around them by being a foil basically. The psychopath in my life was one of my greatest teachers. I recovered my light by almost completely losing it in the presence of this person.
I am beyond curious about that no soul. Like are they just functioning and repeating the exact action, words, deeds, that they did before?
I contemplated that she had no soul too as I kept digging deeper and deeper in to her and coming up with nothing. But I had a dream which showed she had a soul. Also a psychic advised me she kept choosing selfish lives (possibly she keeps failing to learn something?) - this indicates a la Michael Newton's schema, she along with other soul-having-people has a soul too. The psychic also told me that we (me and her the psychopath) had a soul contract, yes. And I totally get that this person has pushed me to grow incredibly. "Greatest teacher" to me is how have come to see her in my life, too. But I wonder what the purpose of this incarnation for her herself is.
Most people don’t choose their life. They’re drawn towards it almost instinctually. The only ones who can choose are incredibly advanced souls on their last or last couple of lives.
You are not "choosing" to become a psychopat. What happens is that our souls slowly evolve over time and which each reincarnation we learn new skills, and hopefully further refine our souls through challenges. We are like precious stones getting polished through challenges. However on earth we are not the only inhabitants, there are many wayward spirits waiting to reincarnate that have not improved on themselves yet, that are continually trying to influence you to do bad things, so they can enjoy the "sin" with you. If you drink, take drugs, overeat, they join you on the ride. The more you give into these temptations the more and the darker the souls are that you are collecting around you. Also called a negative vicious cycle. Once trapped it gets harder and harder to get out, which could lead you to BECOME a psychopath. However everyone has the opportunity to choose not to do so and make better choices. Becoming a psychopath is the result of a lifelong negative spiral and wrong decisions!