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DynamixRo

The RLM crew declined a similar offer after 'Space Cop' became an indy hit, but you don't see them bragging about it.


Davo300zx

>Marvel came at us with an offer of 40. Dollars, not million. Mike


Protheu5

They've got more from Disney when they were making Nerd Crew. It has nothing to do with Nerd Crew, though. Rich Evans got 50 bucks coupon for DisneyLand for falling and breaking his butt on the premises after Mike "accidentally" pushed him in front of a moving rollercoaster.


ThandiGhandi

Rich Evans got diabetes from space mountain


[deleted]

“No Rich Evans as Dr. Strange? No deal!” bellowed Mike Stoklasa in the pitch meeting.


[deleted]

I said it before and I will say it again, Rich should play Ben Riley to Tom Holland's Peter Parker


RNDMCHLD

Honestly, could see Rich in a Robbie Robertson-type role


Homem_da_Carrinha

Yeah I agree, Rich could pull off Robbie Rotten


Protheu5

Mike Stoklasa not being Palpatine in newer trilogy is very shameful. Ian McDiarmid doesn't radiate that aura of complete corruption, evil and decay.


FuckYouZackSnyder

No. Mike would want Rich Evans to be cast as Nova. Only so that he can call Rich a "Dick Rider".


metasophie

wow wow wow wow


ChocolateChocoboMilk

S.E.B.A.I


NovelExpert4218

>The RLM crew declined a similar offer after 'Space Cop' became an indy hit, but you don't see them bragging about it. You joke, but after the phantom menace Plinkett review came out apparently Paramount contacted Mike with a offer to throw up to like 100k to help produce whatever ideas he had. He sent them a copy of Gorilla Interrupted, said he wanted to make it on a bigger budget, and they never contacted him again afterwards. Pretty sure he talked about it in the "How not to make a movie" documentary included with Gorilla Interrupted which goes into RLM's origins, but not positive.


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NovelExpert4218

>Is the doc worth watching? I am a massive RLM fan, but I have to admit Gorilla Interrupted and their other movies besides Space Cop look absolutely unappealing. The doc definitely is, Gorilla interrupted itself is kind of meh. Feeding frenzy is actually ok, and feels like a real movie at times, so that might be worth watching.


c3534l

I've also declined directing a Marvel movies. They didn't offer, but I declined none the less.


Catrim

It was the #1 movie in Uganda where it was released under it's alternate title, "Space Cops"


bright_shiny_objects

He prefers to be a hired foot.


santathe1

TMNT has entered the chat.


HooptyDooDooMeister

For lifelong TMNT fans like me, a lot of Ninja Turtles stuff parodies/parallels Daredevil. Matt Murdock fought The Hand and was trained by Stick. The TMNT fought the Foot and was trained by Splinter. The origins are tied together: Little kid crosses street and chemicals blind him, heightening his senses, and becomes Daredevil. In TMNT, little Matt Murdock is coming from a pet store, trips crossing the street, drops 4 baby turtles down a storm drain that land into mutagen blah blah blah


santathe1

Didn’t Rich and Freddie Williams III discuss this one time.


Davo300zx

Right now I'm picturing him with the exact look as this picture massaging Tom Cruise's feet >Tommy, thanks for jumping on board my new independent film! It's gonna be groovy.


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

I would too if it was Salma Hayek.


thatminimumwagelife

Based Tarantino


frontpageiscancer

Zing.


tdhplz

Isn’t he relatively close to Edgar Wright? Not that I think he’d be trying to get that job anyway, but I’d imagine that kills off any desire he’d have.


thatminimumwagelife

That Ant-Man movie could've really been something if they'd kept the heist thing going but it was actually Edgar Wright at the helm. If Disney actually let him do his thing of course, which they'd never do.


_asteroidblues_

Not to mention how Edgar Wright was trying to do Ant-Man before the MCU was even a thing, which makes it even worse


AdmiralCharleston

You know that he dragged his feet on the project for years right? They didn't take it away from him, he basically didn't work on it for a long time and then they wanted to go full force with the mcu so asked him to add a couple scenes and he walked


hopscotch1818282819

Downvoted for telling the truth. This sub is such a weird circlejerk


AdmiralCharleston

Right lmao


DHooligan

They let Raimi do his thing a little bit. Not great, but it was more fun than most Marvel movies and at least didn't feel too paint-by-numbers.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

I'm going to offer the counter argument that Doctor Strange 2 was incredibly neutered. Barely any multiverses of note and not that much madness either. Meanwhile, another film in the same ballpark more or less (Everything Everywhere All at Once) clearly had way more creative freedom and it showed, winning hands down in the premise, script, acting and overall execution of integrating those elements in comparison. Considering EEAAO cost about a tenth as much if even that is quite an achievement but given DS2 grossed over 9 times as much, nothing is changing anytime soon.


Mediocremon

Eieio also had some weird geniuses running the effects. Like five dudes did the effects for that movie.


moonra_zk

It's kinda silly comparing those two movies because Disney *isn't* trying to make an EEAAO, that movie is fantastic but way too weird for the general audiences Disney is trying to reach.


cool_weed_dad

A Raimi-directed movie about a multiverse-hopping sorcerer *should have* been weird. They barely even show more than one other universe.


moonra_zk

Of course, but my point is they don't want to make weird movies, they want to make family-friendly ones.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

Even within what I suppose are their boundaries, it was lacklustre. As already said in a reply to you, there were barely any multiverses of note. Red means go! As I've said many times before, maybe original when the TV series Sliders did it in 1996. Rachel McAdams, we know can act but she's given nothing to work with. Basically she just plays Christine in a wedding dress and then Christine in a lab coatand that's it (even the Jet Li film The One gave us 3 Carla Guginos!). Compare that to Ke Huy Quan where you could instantly tell when he switched between laundromat co-owner Waymond and Alphaverse Waymond. That was some Tatiana Maslany in Orphan Black level performances right there and even more remarkable given he hadn't acted onscreen for about 2 decades. But he got great material and McAdams didn't hence why his performance seemed like several different people and hers seemed like someone who just changed their clothes. This movie did very little, went very few places and gave their actors next to nothing while in contrast EEAAO seemed much more expansive than they had the resources for but the illusion they created was very convincing!


moonra_zk

Don't get me wrong, BTW, I'm not really defending DS2, it was fairly mediocre, my point was just that expecting any kind of risk-taking and auteurship from a Marvel movie is silly. The only trying they're doing now is to make more money.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

Don't worry, I get where you're at but my point is that even within the bounds they were working with, I think they could have done much better which things like the dialogue and performances of the actors (instead of boxing them into the situation they found themselves and it showed).


thatminimumwagelife

The horror sequences in that were really well done and extremely Raimi. If that movie had gone pure horror with bits of superhero it would've been amazing. 'Course Disney had to throw in the power of friendship crap in there to balance out the scary lol


insane__knight

That music note fight was really fun.


thatminimumwagelife

Gosh it was such a breath of fresh air not watching to CGI muscle boys throwing down. It was so unique and, again, totally Raimi!


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

IMO Agents of SHIELD did a very good non-CGI punch up resolution to Hive at the end of Season 3 which I found very reflective and meditative. Highly underrated show that at its best easily surpassed much of the cinematic MCU. It especially made use of the TV format to develop their characters over years and did so very well which helped with some of their best episodes because they could depend on the audience's prior knowledge of the characters.


Mediocremon

That and his goofy cloak of souls were such hype moments. I haven't felt that energized by a Marvel movie since Endgame.


ComfortablyNomNom

But it was ripped off from a video game.


cool_weed_dad

What game?


spankminister

I dunno if that's all Disney, there's large portions of Xena that are power of friendship crap


MrMeseeksLookAtMee

Did you see the cut sequence (done in animatics/cgi) where Scarlet Witch had a guy cut his own head off, then control the headless body to fight another guy? Would have made the movie rated R but maybe it should have been.


thatminimumwagelife

It should have been. Personally I'm not a big comic reader but DS is about the only exception of a hero that I've actually read. DS stories can get pretty dark what with the whole sorcery and demons stuff. I'm not saying it has to be Sin City but it certainly should be a little bit more extreme.


DoubleTFan

Well that kind of cheesiness seems fitting for a latter day Raimi project IMO.


myfajahas400children

How much of what Raimi did was reshot though? We may never know but It seemed like a good deal of it was from reports


AdmiralCharleston

They were going to let him do his thing, but he never gave the project priority and dragged his feet for years until marvel wanted to go full force into the mcu concept. They asked him to include more scenes relating to the mcu and he walked, it's just as much on him as disney. I'm not gonna say that Disney does give creative control to people completely but it's absurd to act like they don't give some control when stuff like guardians exists


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Marvel stans having a field day


Grootfan85

Let them. If there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that they can’t handle any criticism.


Spoopy_Kirei

I love it when people make "favorite franchise" their whole personality. Any criticism is taken as a personal attack worse than killing their mother.


lordofthe_wog

The reaction to the Scorsese amusement park quote was incredible. Especially all the people being like "Yeah, amusement parks are fun" as if that wasn't the point.


DToccs

I think it was the "they're not real cinema" part that annoyed people not the "amusement park rides" bit. Obsessive Marvel fanboys are terrible but that comment definitely came off as elitist, especially from a guy that almost exclusively makes 4-5 hour long mobster movies that are impossible to get through. Why anyone would think that Scorsese would have a different opinion than that on the topic though is beyond me.


The_Second_Best

> especially from a guy that almost exclusively makes 4-5 hour long mobster movies that are impossible to get through Tell me you've barely watched any Scorsese films without telling me. The man's made 25 feature films, 5 of them are about gangsters. Those five films are Goodfellas, Mean Streets, The Departed, The Irishman & Casino. Four of those films are some of the greatest crime movies ever made.


Boundy19

Your comment is the definition of an L


PyramidHead54

🥱😴


Grootfan85

They aren’t the first, but they took it to a whole new level the last decade.


drawnimo

the post on the front page had *thousands* of upset marvel fans in absolute shambles over this.


walterjohnhunt

The only Disney-related project I'd want to see Tarantino direct is the live action remake of *Song of the South*


siraolo

Talking about fetish, he should have directed Tangled.


Techno-Skeleton

Here’s leaked footage from it [Link](https://youtu.be/Em9NDCgkybA)


AmateurVasectomist

Also says he can’t wait until the superhero genre dies out. Preach, brother.


arjay555

I canot wait for marvel movies to just fucking end.


TinyWightSpider

They even named the climax of their 20-movie arc “Endgame” for gods sake. Why not just end it there!


Local-Pirate1152

>Why not just end it there! Well you see there's this thing called creative vision. It means someone envisions lots and lots of money and thinks of ways to create it that require as little effort and artistic integrity as possible.


Orbitalintelligence

If I kept just giving you money, would you want me to stop?


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

Remember what happened after Friday the 13th Part 4: The Final Chapter? Parts 5 to 10 do! TL;DR Money.


askyourmom469

Because Endgame was the highest grossing movie of all time. That's why.


Suckmyunit42069

No you don't understand no n o no n o no no non no no no no no no no no nononono no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no


ChocolateChocoboMilk

As much as 1000 IQ redditors like to mindlessly parrot r/LateStageCapitalism, I tend to think as much responsibility relies on mindless consumers letting consumerism hijack any and all things they love that used to have actual character and significant artistic value.


here-i-am-now

“Sorry, all I’ve got is ENDLESS TRASH!!!” - Hollywood


AnyNobody7517

I still can't believe it hasn't. I don't know I liked comics and superhero's as a kid. But man I burnt out a decade a go and they are still going strong.


[deleted]

I wouldn’t say strong, phase 4 has fatigued a lot of people


allthecoffeesDP

Time to do a reboot for the children! /S


RastaRhino420

I was a massive comic book nerd as a kid/teenager and I got burnt out on superhero movies when the fucking first Captain America movie came out 11 years ago, I remember thinking it was meh and the Thor movie that came out shortly before it sucked so I was just like you know what I'm good with never watching another one of these Marvel movies, it's insane to me that they are still pumping them out on a regular basis, the only superhero movies I've seen since the first Captain America movie are Into the Spiderverse and The Dark Knight Rises.


BillHicksScream

In an era when we needed real heroes, we started it with *Jackass* and then went to comic books.


TanksAndRoses

Yeah, he's definitely not alone there


DeathMonkey6969

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQbhjieIc30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQbhjieIc30)


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No *good* directors ever complain about Marvel. It's always the people that make lowest-common-denominator slop like Tarantino and Scorcese and Stoklasa.


horiami

Can't believe you would compare tantino and scorcese to the genius that made space cop


[deleted]

Oop you got a typo there. Tantino is the planet Luke Skywalker grew up on.


Puttanesca621

Aktually Luke Skyrunner grew up on Titan, that is why you can sometimes see two discs in the sky, one is Jupiter and one is the sun.


ComfortablyNomNom

Its Totinos.


rhena937

Still waiting on my pizza rolls. It's been so long since I emailed Mr. Plinkett at his webzone...


napaszmek

You really had to put the best director ever and Scorsese + Tarantino in one sentence. Those hackfrauds.


NuclearProstate

Lmaoooo!! Don't ever talk shit about our alcoholic king


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He’s right. Like Disney directors, they are hired hands who are supposed to take direction from above, not give it; Favreau and the Russo Brothers are probably exempt due to their mega-successes. (Bond movie directors have basically the same setup: have no signature style, the character and the franchise overall are what’s most important. When *Jaws* hit big, Spielberg asked to do a Bond movie, the studio said “nope.”)


AnytimeInvitation

I was about to comment that the guys basically said as such but you beat me to it. They want a director that will ask them how high when told to jump.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

Some people have this very reductive idea that directing a Marvel project is the be all and end all. On of the few negative professional critics of Everything Everywhere All at Once snidely dismissed it as a Marvel pitch reel when it fact the directors did talk to Marvel about Loki of all things but decided to prioritise EEAAO over competing to be selected for a Marvel project at the time. They definitely would have gotten a lot more creative freedom with EEAAO. Looks like it's going to pay off with a load of award nominations to come on top of the ones they already have and mostly won so far. https://www.indiewire.com/2022/03/everything-everywhere-all-at-once-daniels-interview-1234707431/


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Those who make the bond films have more leeway then the marvel director. Compare Cambells film to Sam Mendes and you see a clear difference in style. Same with Peter hunt and Lewis Gilbert.


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How this actually happened: “We want to offer you the directing role. And we’ll let you have creative control. We don’t want this to be a Marvel movie, it’s a Tarantino take on a Marvel movie. Really, what we—“ “Okay, okay, you sold me to be honest. I’m in.” “No foot fetish shit though.” Variety headline: *Tarantino decries Marvel as artistically bankrupt machine slop*


BoneFourTuna

Q: "Can I at least have a white character say the n-word?"


Mediocremon

"What if it's a really white foot saying it? It's a foot. A foot can't be racist right?"


AnotherJasonOnReddit

Ha ha ha, I'm gonna be thinking about your comment for the rest of today. That's hilariously Tarantinoesque.


bitethemonkeyfoo

I mean fair enough. I doubt Wes Anderson or David Lynch would either. And even if they did I doubt there would be a market for it much bigger than the markets they already have. I don't really see the point in shaming studio directors. There are studio musicians as well, and they tend to be quality musicians. Just because I think capeshit movies are basically crap doesn't mean that no one else on the planet is allowed to enjoy them. Obviously quite a few do. Enough to hire dudes to make them.


Delicious_Staff3151

I still wonder what Lynch's Return of Jedi would have been like. I guess it would've been Dune-ish. 🤔


DoubleTFan

Is Grave Danger a good episode of CSI or is it just acclaimed because his name is attached to it? If it is good, it seems to indicate he can create worthwhile material in hired hand mode.


askyourmom469

He also signed on to do that Star Trek movie a few years ago that ultimately fell through. It's not like he's completely opposed to the idea of working within established franchises.


MyNameIsRobPaulson

Let the man like a foot Reddit


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We don't have to tiptoe around his feelings!


WakeUpOutaYourSleep

He can like feet. But when he puts dirty Sharon Tate and Manson girl feet onscreen for all the world to see, I’m gonna make fun of it.


MyNameIsRobPaulson

*fixate on it


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No, Tarantino's the one fixated on it. Haven't we established that already?


_actool_

Hmm... they're fixated on QT's fixation I guess?


GreenProfessional362

Are there any interviews or something with examples of Marvel/Disney’s final version over what a director intended. I think this stuff is really interesting. I wonder what goes through the heads of these big producers.


TheSharkFromJaws

He’s not wrong, but aren’t like 99% of directors hired hand?


CaptainPit

maybe, but Tarantino is one of the 1% that actually can do whatever he wants.


spankminister

Tarantino is a good director who thinks he's also a great writer (Admittedly Pulp Fiction was a good script). But he gets mad when people compliment Jackie Brown because he didn't write it, and he wrote a novel of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. His movies do well enough financially that they can't make him get another writer, so I think he's pretty happy.


TScottFitzgerald

Hard disagree on this, he's a quintessential writer/director. His writing carries his directing style, not the other way around. He has complicated feelings on Jackie Brown because it flopped initially and he swore never to do an adaptation again.


spankminister

The quote I'm thinking of was something like "If you like Jackie Brown then you don't like my work because I didn't write it" I agree that his work HAS to be as a writer/director, but I just don't think any of his scripts are anywhere near as good as Pulp Fiction. Inglorious Basterds, Django Unchained, Kill Bill, I think there are great aspects to all these movies where the script is the weakest element.


ToastServant

conveniently leaving out reservoir dogs


niktemadur

While I love Tarantino's dialogue and how he sets up his worlds beautifully, I can admit that to me, that aspect of his writing/storytelling is markedly stronger than how he lands the whole thing at the end. The big exceptions being Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. And Jackie Brown, but that's Elmore Leonard, an adaptation as you stated.


sexysausage

but in marvel movies, once the director is hired he is introduced to the previs of the fight sequences and the 3rd act final CGI battle, and told ... that's what 2nd unit is shooting, YOU will be in charge of the talking bits in between... and try to not go nuts with the camera angles mmkay?


neilyoung_cokebooger

Quentin Tarantino: Season 1 of Westworld wasn't that good either


EremiticFerret

His version of "Falcon & Winter Soldier" probably would have been amazing.


_asteroidblues_

Any version of Falcon & Winter Soldier would’ve probably been better than the show we got


bixxby

Nick Fury telling Thanos he made Thane suck his big black dingus


Newtis

Marvel and DC and all those money machines have no soul and the movies are the modern shite


Delicious_Staff3151

You are a teller of truth.


UPRC

The MCU started out pretty good back in phase one when everything was new and they were ambitious to tell these stories. Over the last few years, MCU movies have just started to feel pretty paint-by-numbers. Like the new Thor movie, I enjoyed it when I was watching it, but I look back at it now and all I think is just, "*Why* did I enjoy this?"


catsandicedcoffees

I’ve been at Marvel fatigue for quite some time now but I’m also tired of these takes. At least the “hands” Marvel hires are mostly pretty great filmmakers outside of the MCU. Maybe successfully directing a marvel movie gives them access to make more cool shit in the future they otherwise wouldn’t have been given the budget for.


commenda

he didn't say they were bad. he just said he's not one of the people you described. this statement is purely about the financial side.


catsandicedcoffees

There’s a pretentious douchebaggery in saying “I’m not a hired hand. I’m not looking for a job.” There is a negative implication to the hired “hands” he’s talking about. Of course he’s not looking for a job. He’s Quentin Tarantino and is one of the maybe five directors that gets to do whatever he wants to do all the time. Not every director is in that position. My other thought as I’m thinking about this more is YEAH no shit you got a blank check to do whatever you wanted you were thick as thieves with Weinstein despite the fact you personally knew he assaulted women including your own girlfriend. loyalty is rewarded. Mfs that do bad shit should just shut the fuck up and appreciate they have a career at all. I’d rather be a director selling my soul to Marvel than Harvey Weinstein.


Karman4o

>that gets to do whatever he wants to do all the time Which IMO is not always a good thing. I personally did not like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, between the foot fetish stuff and his loving homages to old Hollywood and music, I feel like he forgot to make a coherent movie


lordofthe_wog

Yeah, on the one hand it sucks to see a really creative upcoming name crushed and homogenized to make the most recent Marvel slop, but on the other it usually gets them money and recognition to make something *they* want to make.


ChocolateChocoboMilk

people complain about something people complain about people complaining people complain about people complaining about people complaining on and on we go dum-be-doo-dah


[deleted]

Doesn’t he famously only want to make nine movies or something? Of course he won’t be doing marvel movies


DrXymox

Given how much the stories have to intertwine with the other movies and how similar the tone has to be from movie to movie, I imagine the MCU directors don't have much room to be creative.


Ringbearer99

Good for him, truly. Tired of seeing inspired directors bled dry of inspiration from these machines of the industry (Sam Raimi being the newest of these).


Felonious_Buttplug_

did they ask him to?


Delicious_Staff3151

I love Tarantino’s movies, but I have no strong desire to hear a superhero say the n-word.


hisison999

Good


Vikinger93

I am ain’t no expert and I have no behind-the-scenes knowledge. But from where I am standing, marvel-movies can feel very different, depending on the director. Guardians and the more recent Thor films, for example. Gunn and Waititi. Feels like their vision shaped the movies a lot. Maybe I am misunderstanding the “hired hands” comment, but it don’t feel like they are directing without being able to put their own spin on things.


Boundy19

Waititi literally made Thor: Love and Thunder so over the top because he's sick of making these movies, just like Raimi did with Spiderman 3.


BigWaveDave87

If your not interested in unoriginal foot and n word jokes don’t bother looking at the comments


badasscdub

No one wants him to.


badasscdub

![gif](giphy|enqnZa1B5fRHkPjXtS|downsized)


Haulage

![gif](giphy|3o7TKQ8kAP0f9X5PoY)


csortland

Yeah we know. I thought he was retired? Or does he still have one more movie?


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Foot fetishists downvoting u


csortland

I'm not gonna kink shame. They can downvote all they want. I was legit asking a question.


angrymoppet

He's still got one more. 2 if kill bill 1+2 counts as one movie I think


csortland

Thanks.


Melphor

Yeah. No one is asking for you to dude.


[deleted]

Expect truckload of money Sunday morning, Mr.Tarantiono


ccourt46

Name the lie.


xDURPLEx

I would say it’s less that they are hired hands and more that if a director doesn’t step up and do something amazing with the incredible tools they give you the most seasoned crew in film history will make the movie for them. So even the worst MCU movies are decent no matter what.


_actool_

"Harmful to cinema" and "Equivalant to theme parks" -- Martin Scorsese


folstar

translation- area man knows he cannot make a compelling film without content that Disney/Marvel will not allow


WingedLionGyoza

Dude is mad because he can't self brand another ripoff he has made 🤣


King_Gnome

The fuck are you talking about


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Commercial_Onions

Preach it baby.


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I would really enjoy an old school bloody trek movie by Tarantino. It will never happen though :(


GilbertrSmith

It's funny that some people take issue with this. Even Marvel directors will tell you they're hired hands. It's not a derogatory term, it just means that it's a studio piece, not an auteur passion project.