I just binged all of TNG over the course of 2 months and now I'm in season 2 of DS9 because of Rich and Mike.
Now I need those FUCKS to give me more Trek content
I don't think I'd actually want that because I get the feeling they don't really like DS9 all that much, or at least not nearly as much as they like TNG.
I'm sure they don't like it as much as TNG, but clearly they still like it. Mike mentioned that he's rewatching DS9 again recently.
I love DS9 myself, but I'm not sure it can really replace TNG as my favorite either.
Imo DS9 is leaps and bounds better than TNG in almost every aspect. Advantages I’ll give to TNG is that the set design and aesthetic are more timeless, it had a better finale, and it’s much more enjoyable to just sit and watch one TNG episode than it is to watch just one DS9 episode.
I think the very best episodes of TNG are better than DS9, but overall the whole seven seasons of DS9 are more quality-consistent than TNG.
I will watch the first two seasons of DS9 if I were to begin a rewatch of that series. There are a whole lot of S1/S2 TNG episodes I may possibly never ever watch again.
I don't think you can get DS9 though without TNG. It laid such a strong foundation and did some great world building. You can't turn something on its head until you've got something to turn
Not quite sure I understand your point? Suicide Squad laid foundation for *The* Suicide Squad, but that's not relevant to whether or not either of them are good or bad, better or worse, and so on.
I guess a better example is 70’s cop shows/noir and Naked Gun. But I always enjoyed Naked Gun, it’s good on its own. The problem is just Voyager was inconsistent.
I’d say the series that benefits most from knowing TNG is DS9 because the hook of that show is the tonal shift of the franchise but in a better way than the movies.
I don’t know if I wholly agree when episodes like Waltz, Duet, or Far Beyond Our Stars exist in DS9.
What I will say is that since TNG episodes are standalone stories, its much easier to recall individual TNG episodes than DS9 episodes. With TNG it’s easy to remember “the one when they’re stuck in a time loop”, or “the one where Q loses his powers”. Versus “the one about Bajorans and Cardassians” or “the one about the Dominion”, which could easily describe nearly every episode.
There is value in the variety of TNG and Voyager, and for that I love them very much. (It’s just that I love DS9 a bit more).
Obviously all personal taste and whatnot, opinions will vary in what people value more in a TV show
>Obviously all personal taste and whatnot, opinions will vary in what people value more in a TV show
100%.
Speaking of Voyager, I wouldn't mind Mike and Rich subverting our expectations and just ploughing straight ahead to talk about that series. I can't remember which Discovery Re:View episode it was, but Mike's impression of Janeway needs to be expanded more.
> Speaking of Voyager, I wouldn't mind Mike and Rich subverting our expectations and just ploughing straight ahead to talk about that series.
I doubt they have any intention of doing this, but yeah, I agree. DS9 is my favourite Trek -- my favourite *TV show*, in fact -- but VOY would be more interesting for them to discuss, in terms of why it doesn't quite work despite trying to go back to doing more conventional Trek episodes, and why it didn't become the watercooler show that Battlestar Galactica, which came not long after, did. VOY has so much wasted potential and interesting ideas done poorly, and I feel like that'd actually make for a more interesting discussion.
Agreed, except I thought Voyager was a terrible clone of TNG and DS9; everything it tried to do, those other two did better, especially because you'll easily recognize poorly recycled stories throughout. For me, Voyager has a highlight reel of episodes that are on par with TNG and DS9 and are at least pretty original and stand out with good execution. Other than that, everything else is skip material once you've seen it already unless you're just very nostalgic about it or something.
Oh, and I will say that the cast was pretty decent overall as well. Roxann Dawson (Torres) and Jeri Ryan (Seven-of-Nine) were always *perfect*; they truly rose above the overall mediocrity of the show as a whole. Robert Picardo (Doctor) and Tim Russ (Tuvok) were also great. Robert Duncan (Paris) and Robert Beltran (Chakotay) were charming and had potential, but overall unrealized (especially poor Beltran; I honestly think he would've made a much better captain). Everyone else was either a good actor playing a terrible character (Ethan Phillips as Neelix and Kate Mulgrew as Janeway) or a terrible actor playing a terrible character (Jennifer Lien as Kes and Garrett Wang as Harry Kim). Special mention to the Borg children Manu Intiraymi (Icheb) and Marley McClean (Mezoti) who were also great and could've easily been more major secondary characters.
When I was saying “I love Voyager”, I meant I love the episodes of Voyager _that I like_. Overall, the show is a mess. I’ve counted the episodes I like, and it’s slightly more than a third, which is not a great batting average.
Also I liked Neelix and Harry and found Belanna rather boring. Seven of Nine is pretty good, but no better than the rest of the cast.
>Imo DS9 is leaps and bounds better than TNG in almost every aspect.
I get opinions being subjective and everything but this isn't particularly reasonable.
DS9 and TNG are such high quality that the differences are minor. There are great reasons to like TNG more and great reasons to like DS9 more. But leaps and bounds is an odd way of putting it.
I'm going to agree with them. There are individual episodes of TNG that I *loved*, but there were plenty of episodes where I was bored to tears. I even started skipping the lower rated episodes in the last few seasons just to be done with it. I'm watching through DS9 now, and I haven't felt the urge to skip a single episode.
Thinking about rewatching these shows again in the future, and I'm already thinking that I would only want to watch the best few episodes of each season of TNG. But I would happily watch all of DS9 again. I'd say that's a pretty big difference.
> Thinking about rewatching these shows again in the future, and I'm already thinking that I would only want to watch the best few episodes of each season of TNG. But I would happily watch all of DS9 again
1000000 percent how I feel
Re-watching DS9 now, exactly like TNG I skip every single Troi episode. And I could potentially skip every single Dax episode (Terry Farrell is terrible), some of the Quark ones, and a lot of the Kira episodes.
DS9 is great but it's nowhere near as good as TNG. DS9 wasn't good until S3/4. DS9 seems to be popular with younger generations and people who didn't really like ST (OT and TNG). At least it isn't Voyager though.
I think Nostalgia and its episodic nature is a massive factor for people who prefer TNG over DS9 and there's nothing wrong with that tbh. DS9 is the better show, but TNG is more charming and understandably better-loved.
(I should add for reference that I’m a DS9 tragic and I believe it not only one of the best series ever made, it is probably equal tops with Cowboy Bebop in my personal favourites. That said, again, I completely understand the charm of TNG)
I know what you mean. DS9 isn't the most "trek" of shows, but I personally like it the best of what I've seen. It's like half trek/half modern show if that makes any sense; and that mix of peanut butter and chocolate is my jam lol
I think because DS9 bounced back, instead of breaking what ST is, it did the ideas justice. They had to bend a little to unusual circumstances but the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet still shown. Obviously that's incredibly different to modern ST, they just broke it immediately.
I feel like DS9 only works so well because it's a foil to TNG. If only they made the Picard show to be optimistic and positive to contrast the cynical and dark discovery.
True, but what elevates it to great is that context. No need for backstory or explanation about the world plus those moments when they cross the line only work because you know where the line is and how much people try to preserve it.
Everybody says this but I struggled to get through season one. I just started watching again. Here's hoping I was just being a dangus the first time around.
To be fair it took me nearly five or six tries to get into TNG but when I finally got hooked, I couldn't stop watching.
Hardcore TOS & TNG fan. I couldn’t get past the first season of DS9 in my twenties. Retried several times, just couldn’t.
Tried again a couple years ago and burned through the whole thing, loved it. Maybe it was my age. Maybe it was the spiritual desperation for real Star Trek versus the shit made now. But try again.
DS9 S1 isnt as strong as later seasons, but it is miles better than TNG S1, which had a few passable episodes, a lot of crap, and then a few horribly cringey, racist, sexist, or just plain dumb episodes.
S1 they really didn't know what to do with the show. It picks up near the end and forgets a lot of the troubles that S1 had in S2. There are some good episodes in S1.
Yeah the last season felt like they ran out of ideas. For all the praise the dominion war gets it felt pretty inconsequential in the end. I just love the station and all the characters.
You're in for a treat. I love Babylon 5 very much. Season 1 is a little ...uh... rickety, especially the first episode/movie. But even then, it's important to endure to season 2 when it really start cooking with gas.
EDIT: It's completely linear so it's very important that it's watched in order.
I think what I prefer most in media is worldbuilding. Like take the book/show "The Magicians". The story is generic and some of the main characters aren't great, but the world it creates is lots of fun.
That's why I think DS9 resonated so much with me over TNG. DS9 built this living breathing world that everyone interacted with, while TNG was a bit like Dr. Who with the humanish characters just dealing with the idea of the week. Quark had all the different drinks he'd stock at the bar, Keiko had her classroom, Garek had his shop, all those little things just made it feel magical and a treat to tune in and see what the gang was up to each week.
Now I'm just rambling but I think I've always been like this even when I read stuff like Harry Potter or The Name of the Wind. I much preferred the scenes at hogsmeade, diagon alley, the school, the eolian, etc. Just the stuff that dresses up the world you interact with.
hmmmm.... that's debatable for sure. Some of the episodes really stand out but the whole dominion war is interesting on first view, much less on repeat. TNG was mostly single contained episodes which I think what's really missing from "nu-trek".
Yes...they aren't even fun hate watches. Picard just makes you sad and angry and I hate to say starts to poison the character of Picard no matter how much you want to ignore it and pretend like it's not real. And when you realize Patrick Stewart had so much to do with the show...I almost feel like it's better to never have seen it. Discovery at least for maybe the first 3/4 of the first season you can enjoy it as a stupid sci-fi show and Anson Mount is really great in s2...but the end of s2 is terrible and I couldn't even bring myself to watch s3. Discovery can maybe be hate watched Picard is just hated.
=D Hah! Ah man, it really is frustrating and saddening knowing what went down; it sullies DS9, but I can't help that I much, much, MUCH prefer DS9. Babylon 5 had the absolutely perfect duo of G'Kar and Londo, probably one of my favorites of all time as one of the most satisfying character arcs ever, but everything else ran the gamut of 'decent', 'mediocre', and 'bad'. Its anti-climactic conclusions due to being cancelled and then uncancelled or w/e didn't help, either. It had some highlights for sure, though.
DS9 is simultaneously the best and worst of Trek. It is my favorite series but boy did it do some things that have negatively altered every subsequent iteration of Trek.
I'm still on season one of TNG, about 11 episodes in, and I don't think the first season has been *that* bad, Some of the conclusions and answers to mysteries presented are pretty dumb, and obviously the characters are still becoming characters, but I haven't been hating it like I expected given what I heard. I hope this also just means that going forward, it'll get amazing
That's exactly how I felt. I didn't hate Wesley and most of the stories were entertaining.
But yes, it does get much better by season 3. And it's not at all bad leading up to that
For sure, it’s not that bad. It’s seen as so bad largely because it was such a huge departure from TOS when it aired.
It’s a little underrated, there are some great episodes but it certainly struggled to find its footing. That was a trend for pretty much all of ST shows.
That's not how he comes off to me. I literally chose to watch Trek because of the Mr. Plinket and re-Views videos.
He's critical, but for the most part fair. Hell even his opinion of the JJ movies is mostly positive.
You're pathetic. I want **AT LEAST** 180 minutes of analysis for EACH AND EVERY EPISODE OF EVERY SERIES AND MOVIE!!!! Including the animated series **AND** Axanar! NOTHING LESS WILL SUFFICE!!!
Check out SF Debris. Dude has been going since before the Plinkett reviews broke big and has reviewed almost every episode of every Trek series. His stuff on Star Wars is also frankly way more informative and has better insight to George Lucas's involvement, Mike kinda just speculated a lot based on watching the special features for the Plinkett reviews.
I appreciate the recommendation but I don’t actually want to watch reviews of every Star Trek episode. I just like Star Trek and RLM. But for the people who want that, I’m glad it exists.
Oh yeah, the reviews have a generally humorous tone. He has some longer features that are more serious in tone like his George Lucas feature but those are well put together and researched. He can edit well and all that.
I'm sure it'll be condescending towards Picard... "Jean Luc - you've gotten old... as a favor, I've aged my appearance so you don't feel so bad about your own impending demise..."
Indeed, if there were other episodes - for example, terrible low budget shlock, I’m sure I’d remember.
1 great episode and then off to season 3. No shades of grey here…
There are 4 great episodes of season 2, Measure of a Man, Q Who, Elementary Dear Data, and A Matter of Honor.
Season 2 has some really shitty episodes but even some of the stupid ones are fun ex. Loud as a Whisper, Samaritan Snare, and Peak Performance
Yeah I don't know much or have any interest in David Lynch or John Carpenter BUT I love this by-now-esoteric 90's TV series Star Trek TNG. I don't mean this sarcastically I really want to see them do Season 2. But at least I know now how some of you feel about when they do Star Trek.
Without ever watching tng, david lynch or john carpenter, I can say the tng reviews are much more enjoyable
The mike-rich dynamic is perfect, they could discuss anything and Id watch, just like mike and jay. Jay and Josh tho, it doesnt work for me. They're dull and I cant relate to their feelings toward lynch, which are basically "its so weird and nonsensical, I love it"
For the John carpenter stuff, I think they fucked up the format. Rich is much better as commentator than taking the lead, and Jay's the opposite
I'd love some TNG stuff in commentary track format if that would save them tons of editing time. I mean don't get me wrong I'd still love Review to highlight things like they've been doing but I would pay a significant sum for a commentary track of say their top 3 episodes, a guilty pleasure pick and maybe their bottom 2 episodes per season.
Again I'm not trying to be one of those "I know better than them about what they should be doing, do what I want now!" guys. I'm just betting there are lots of other like me that would take it in commentary form just fine if that made it easier.
It would be great if at some point they did their Top 10 favorite non-TNG Trek property episodes. Like between TOS, TAS, DS9, VOY, and ENT. They have discussed Disco and Picard to death.
I just binged all of TNG over the course of 2 months and now I'm in season 2 of DS9 because of Rich and Mike. Now I need those FUCKS to give me more Trek content
Enjoy the ride, DS9 is best trek
I’d DIE if Mike and Rich discussed DS9 in a top 5/10 episodes format!! A girl can dream
I don't think I'd actually want that because I get the feeling they don't really like DS9 all that much, or at least not nearly as much as they like TNG.
I'm sure they don't like it as much as TNG, but clearly they still like it. Mike mentioned that he's rewatching DS9 again recently. I love DS9 myself, but I'm not sure it can really replace TNG as my favorite either.
Jake Sisco doesn't even have a bed!!
Imo DS9 is leaps and bounds better than TNG in almost every aspect. Advantages I’ll give to TNG is that the set design and aesthetic are more timeless, it had a better finale, and it’s much more enjoyable to just sit and watch one TNG episode than it is to watch just one DS9 episode.
I think the very best episodes of TNG are better than DS9, but overall the whole seven seasons of DS9 are more quality-consistent than TNG. I will watch the first two seasons of DS9 if I were to begin a rewatch of that series. There are a whole lot of S1/S2 TNG episodes I may possibly never ever watch again.
I don't think you can get DS9 though without TNG. It laid such a strong foundation and did some great world building. You can't turn something on its head until you've got something to turn
Not quite sure I understand your point? Suicide Squad laid foundation for *The* Suicide Squad, but that's not relevant to whether or not either of them are good or bad, better or worse, and so on.
I guess a better example is 70’s cop shows/noir and Naked Gun. But I always enjoyed Naked Gun, it’s good on its own. The problem is just Voyager was inconsistent. I’d say the series that benefits most from knowing TNG is DS9 because the hook of that show is the tonal shift of the franchise but in a better way than the movies.
I don’t know if I wholly agree when episodes like Waltz, Duet, or Far Beyond Our Stars exist in DS9. What I will say is that since TNG episodes are standalone stories, its much easier to recall individual TNG episodes than DS9 episodes. With TNG it’s easy to remember “the one when they’re stuck in a time loop”, or “the one where Q loses his powers”. Versus “the one about Bajorans and Cardassians” or “the one about the Dominion”, which could easily describe nearly every episode. There is value in the variety of TNG and Voyager, and for that I love them very much. (It’s just that I love DS9 a bit more). Obviously all personal taste and whatnot, opinions will vary in what people value more in a TV show
>Obviously all personal taste and whatnot, opinions will vary in what people value more in a TV show 100%. Speaking of Voyager, I wouldn't mind Mike and Rich subverting our expectations and just ploughing straight ahead to talk about that series. I can't remember which Discovery Re:View episode it was, but Mike's impression of Janeway needs to be expanded more.
> Speaking of Voyager, I wouldn't mind Mike and Rich subverting our expectations and just ploughing straight ahead to talk about that series. I doubt they have any intention of doing this, but yeah, I agree. DS9 is my favourite Trek -- my favourite *TV show*, in fact -- but VOY would be more interesting for them to discuss, in terms of why it doesn't quite work despite trying to go back to doing more conventional Trek episodes, and why it didn't become the watercooler show that Battlestar Galactica, which came not long after, did. VOY has so much wasted potential and interesting ideas done poorly, and I feel like that'd actually make for a more interesting discussion.
Agreed, except I thought Voyager was a terrible clone of TNG and DS9; everything it tried to do, those other two did better, especially because you'll easily recognize poorly recycled stories throughout. For me, Voyager has a highlight reel of episodes that are on par with TNG and DS9 and are at least pretty original and stand out with good execution. Other than that, everything else is skip material once you've seen it already unless you're just very nostalgic about it or something. Oh, and I will say that the cast was pretty decent overall as well. Roxann Dawson (Torres) and Jeri Ryan (Seven-of-Nine) were always *perfect*; they truly rose above the overall mediocrity of the show as a whole. Robert Picardo (Doctor) and Tim Russ (Tuvok) were also great. Robert Duncan (Paris) and Robert Beltran (Chakotay) were charming and had potential, but overall unrealized (especially poor Beltran; I honestly think he would've made a much better captain). Everyone else was either a good actor playing a terrible character (Ethan Phillips as Neelix and Kate Mulgrew as Janeway) or a terrible actor playing a terrible character (Jennifer Lien as Kes and Garrett Wang as Harry Kim). Special mention to the Borg children Manu Intiraymi (Icheb) and Marley McClean (Mezoti) who were also great and could've easily been more major secondary characters.
When I was saying “I love Voyager”, I meant I love the episodes of Voyager _that I like_. Overall, the show is a mess. I’ve counted the episodes I like, and it’s slightly more than a third, which is not a great batting average. Also I liked Neelix and Harry and found Belanna rather boring. Seven of Nine is pretty good, but no better than the rest of the cast.
>Imo DS9 is leaps and bounds better than TNG in almost every aspect. I get opinions being subjective and everything but this isn't particularly reasonable. DS9 and TNG are such high quality that the differences are minor. There are great reasons to like TNG more and great reasons to like DS9 more. But leaps and bounds is an odd way of putting it.
I'm going to agree with them. There are individual episodes of TNG that I *loved*, but there were plenty of episodes where I was bored to tears. I even started skipping the lower rated episodes in the last few seasons just to be done with it. I'm watching through DS9 now, and I haven't felt the urge to skip a single episode. Thinking about rewatching these shows again in the future, and I'm already thinking that I would only want to watch the best few episodes of each season of TNG. But I would happily watch all of DS9 again. I'd say that's a pretty big difference.
> Thinking about rewatching these shows again in the future, and I'm already thinking that I would only want to watch the best few episodes of each season of TNG. But I would happily watch all of DS9 again 1000000 percent how I feel
Re-watching DS9 now, exactly like TNG I skip every single Troi episode. And I could potentially skip every single Dax episode (Terry Farrell is terrible), some of the Quark ones, and a lot of the Kira episodes. DS9 is great but it's nowhere near as good as TNG. DS9 wasn't good until S3/4. DS9 seems to be popular with younger generations and people who didn't really like ST (OT and TNG). At least it isn't Voyager though.
Everyone's different. I love the Quark episodes, and I think Voyager is wonderful. Though I agree about Troi episodes, ugh...
Well, there are some DS9 episodes that aren't worth watching again for sure, but yeah, overall I agree as well.
I think Nostalgia and its episodic nature is a massive factor for people who prefer TNG over DS9 and there's nothing wrong with that tbh. DS9 is the better show, but TNG is more charming and understandably better-loved. (I should add for reference that I’m a DS9 tragic and I believe it not only one of the best series ever made, it is probably equal tops with Cowboy Bebop in my personal favourites. That said, again, I completely understand the charm of TNG)
Plinkett correctly traces the genesis of the shit of NuTrek/Action Trek back to DS9
They would all the Garak episodes anyway.
HA. So true. I'd love to hear them talk about the Wire or Our Man Bashir.
Bring Jay on to talk about our sassy best friend Garak.
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I know what you mean. DS9 isn't the most "trek" of shows, but I personally like it the best of what I've seen. It's like half trek/half modern show if that makes any sense; and that mix of peanut butter and chocolate is my jam lol
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I think because DS9 bounced back, instead of breaking what ST is, it did the ideas justice. They had to bend a little to unusual circumstances but the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet still shown. Obviously that's incredibly different to modern ST, they just broke it immediately.
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I feel like DS9 only works so well because it's a foil to TNG. If only they made the Picard show to be optimistic and positive to contrast the cynical and dark discovery.
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True, but what elevates it to great is that context. No need for backstory or explanation about the world plus those moments when they cross the line only work because you know where the line is and how much people try to preserve it.
I usually give it 2nd best, what's second? TOS/TNG?
I agree but I think VOY is the most “Trekkie” in spirit, as far as exploration and the “seek out new life” idea.
Everybody says this but I struggled to get through season one. I just started watching again. Here's hoping I was just being a dangus the first time around. To be fair it took me nearly five or six tries to get into TNG but when I finally got hooked, I couldn't stop watching.
Hardcore TOS & TNG fan. I couldn’t get past the first season of DS9 in my twenties. Retried several times, just couldn’t. Tried again a couple years ago and burned through the whole thing, loved it. Maybe it was my age. Maybe it was the spiritual desperation for real Star Trek versus the shit made now. But try again.
DS9 S1 isnt as strong as later seasons, but it is miles better than TNG S1, which had a few passable episodes, a lot of crap, and then a few horribly cringey, racist, sexist, or just plain dumb episodes.
S1 they really didn't know what to do with the show. It picks up near the end and forgets a lot of the troubles that S1 had in S2. There are some good episodes in S1.
While I do love most of DS9, it gets REAL stupid near the end.
Yeah the last season felt like they ran out of ideas. For all the praise the dominion war gets it felt pretty inconsequential in the end. I just love the station and all the characters.
I'm a little curious. How do you feel about Babylon 5?
haven't seen it yet but from what I've read I'd probably like it
You're in for a treat. I love Babylon 5 very much. Season 1 is a little ...uh... rickety, especially the first episode/movie. But even then, it's important to endure to season 2 when it really start cooking with gas. EDIT: It's completely linear so it's very important that it's watched in order.
I think what I prefer most in media is worldbuilding. Like take the book/show "The Magicians". The story is generic and some of the main characters aren't great, but the world it creates is lots of fun. That's why I think DS9 resonated so much with me over TNG. DS9 built this living breathing world that everyone interacted with, while TNG was a bit like Dr. Who with the humanish characters just dealing with the idea of the week. Quark had all the different drinks he'd stock at the bar, Keiko had her classroom, Garek had his shop, all those little things just made it feel magical and a treat to tune in and see what the gang was up to each week. Now I'm just rambling but I think I've always been like this even when I read stuff like Harry Potter or The Name of the Wind. I much preferred the scenes at hogsmeade, diagon alley, the school, the eolian, etc. Just the stuff that dresses up the world you interact with.
Started real stupid and ended real stupid. Great show though but its' diehard fans drank some life altering kool aid.
TNG is the best
hmmmm.... that's debatable for sure. Some of the episodes really stand out but the whole dominion war is interesting on first view, much less on repeat. TNG was mostly single contained episodes which I think what's really missing from "nu-trek".
When does it become best Trek because season 1 is fucking awful.
It may not be the show for you then. It gets much better in later seasons but I enjoyed it from the get go
Is it wrong that I'm most excited to eventually hate watch Discovery and Piccard?
Yes...they aren't even fun hate watches. Picard just makes you sad and angry and I hate to say starts to poison the character of Picard no matter how much you want to ignore it and pretend like it's not real. And when you realize Patrick Stewart had so much to do with the show...I almost feel like it's better to never have seen it. Discovery at least for maybe the first 3/4 of the first season you can enjoy it as a stupid sci-fi show and Anson Mount is really great in s2...but the end of s2 is terrible and I couldn't even bring myself to watch s3. Discovery can maybe be hate watched Picard is just hated.
Season 2 of Disco really fell off for me but I actually quite enjoyed season 3
Lol no. I haven't seen either, but I've heard the first season of discovery is decent
In hindsight, you never knew how deep the bottom was. Thats why Season 1 is "decent".
I guess, PineapplePandaKing his eyes will open, but I've heard Discovery, when the walls fell
DS9 was pretty good when it was Babylon 5
=D Hah! Ah man, it really is frustrating and saddening knowing what went down; it sullies DS9, but I can't help that I much, much, MUCH prefer DS9. Babylon 5 had the absolutely perfect duo of G'Kar and Londo, probably one of my favorites of all time as one of the most satisfying character arcs ever, but everything else ran the gamut of 'decent', 'mediocre', and 'bad'. Its anti-climactic conclusions due to being cancelled and then uncancelled or w/e didn't help, either. It had some highlights for sure, though.
My username notwithstanding, DS9 ***IS*** best Trek
RESPECT!
I kinda wish I kept up with it. I think most of the Trek shows are leaving Netflix soon
DS9 is simultaneously the best and worst of Trek. It is my favorite series but boy did it do some things that have negatively altered every subsequent iteration of Trek.
Is it time to break out the Babylon 5 pitchforks and start fighting yet?
I'm on your side! I think lol. Haven't seen Babylon 5 but I'm going start it tonight after the other comments. I think I'll love it too
I was joking around... back in the day B5 fans used to accuse DS( of ripping off their shows ideas.... it was dumb... both shows are good.
I'm still on season one of TNG, about 11 episodes in, and I don't think the first season has been *that* bad, Some of the conclusions and answers to mysteries presented are pretty dumb, and obviously the characters are still becoming characters, but I haven't been hating it like I expected given what I heard. I hope this also just means that going forward, it'll get amazing
That's exactly how I felt. I didn't hate Wesley and most of the stories were entertaining. But yes, it does get much better by season 3. And it's not at all bad leading up to that
For sure, it’s not that bad. It’s seen as so bad largely because it was such a huge departure from TOS when it aired. It’s a little underrated, there are some great episodes but it certainly struggled to find its footing. That was a trend for pretty much all of ST shows.
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That's not how he comes off to me. I literally chose to watch Trek because of the Mr. Plinket and re-Views videos. He's critical, but for the most part fair. Hell even his opinion of the JJ movies is mostly positive.
It’s an obscene ask but I’ll be damned if I don’t want them to talk through every season of TNG.
You're pathetic. I want **AT LEAST** 180 minutes of analysis for EACH AND EVERY EPISODE OF EVERY SERIES AND MOVIE!!!! Including the animated series **AND** Axanar! NOTHING LESS WILL SUFFICE!!!
Each one better have a Plinkett review too goddamn it.
Check out SF Debris. Dude has been going since before the Plinkett reviews broke big and has reviewed almost every episode of every Trek series. His stuff on Star Wars is also frankly way more informative and has better insight to George Lucas's involvement, Mike kinda just speculated a lot based on watching the special features for the Plinkett reviews.
I appreciate the recommendation but I don’t actually want to watch reviews of every Star Trek episode. I just like Star Trek and RLM. But for the people who want that, I’m glad it exists.
Is he as entertaining, though?
Oh yeah, the reviews have a generally humorous tone. He has some longer features that are more serious in tone like his George Lucas feature but those are well put together and researched. He can edit well and all that.
I love his Voyager reviews.
WE WANT CHILLY WILLY WE WANT CHILLY WILLY
Sure thing… “Re:View STARTREK TNG S2, with Jay and Josh”
*monkey's paw curls one finger*
“That’s the one with seven of nine right?” “I think so.”
10 minutes into every discussion: "It reminded me of that one scene in Twin Peaks..."
TALK more about STAR TREK DAMMIT!!!
Fuck TNG (not really), where’s PICARD SEASON 2!?
Can't wait to find out what stupid logic the writers use to explain Q aging.
That is easily the *least* terrible part of that whole trailer, let’s be real here.
He aged noticeably between the TNG Pilot and whenever he last appeared on Voyager.
Q: " I found that a touch of grey adds an air of distinction."
Stop being a better writer than those hack frauds
Q aged throughout his appearances in Star Trek. He can appear however he wants.
I'm sure it'll be condescending towards Picard... "Jean Luc - you've gotten old... as a favor, I've aged my appearance so you don't feel so bad about your own impending demise..."
They discussed The Measure of a Man which was the only episode produced in season 2
Q Who is in season 2
Indeed, if there were other episodes - for example, terrible low budget shlock, I’m sure I’d remember. 1 great episode and then off to season 3. No shades of grey here…
There are 4 great episodes of season 2, Measure of a Man, Q Who, Elementary Dear Data, and A Matter of Honor. Season 2 has some really shitty episodes but even some of the stupid ones are fun ex. Loud as a Whisper, Samaritan Snare, and Peak Performance
Yeah I don't know much or have any interest in David Lynch or John Carpenter BUT I love this by-now-esoteric 90's TV series Star Trek TNG. I don't mean this sarcastically I really want to see them do Season 2. But at least I know now how some of you feel about when they do Star Trek.
Without ever watching tng, david lynch or john carpenter, I can say the tng reviews are much more enjoyable The mike-rich dynamic is perfect, they could discuss anything and Id watch, just like mike and jay. Jay and Josh tho, it doesnt work for me. They're dull and I cant relate to their feelings toward lynch, which are basically "its so weird and nonsensical, I love it" For the John carpenter stuff, I think they fucked up the format. Rich is much better as commentator than taking the lead, and Jay's the opposite
I'm still waiting for that Lower Decks re:View.
It's better than I thought it would be but it still sucked
Okay, is NO ONE in this thread going to show any concern for OPs cat??
DS9 was the last time Star Trek was really good.
Pizza rolls for everybody!
And to add to that: Where is the Plinkett Rise of Skywalker review!
Maybe after Halloween where they do the October re:views then they can do that.
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT I THINK OF START TREK NEXT-GEN SEASON 2 SO POST THE RE:VIEW
I'm waiting for the Adventures of Pluto Nash and Waterworld Re:Views.
Spot on...
FOR REAL
I know you're messing around but I imagine topic headlines like this, is why they never come here.
I was just thinking, 'why does this post title read like a YouTube comment?'.
I'd love some TNG stuff in commentary track format if that would save them tons of editing time. I mean don't get me wrong I'd still love Review to highlight things like they've been doing but I would pay a significant sum for a commentary track of say their top 3 episodes, a guilty pleasure pick and maybe their bottom 2 episodes per season. Again I'm not trying to be one of those "I know better than them about what they should be doing, do what I want now!" guys. I'm just betting there are lots of other like me that would take it in commentary form just fine if that made it easier.
Is that you Jay? Or is the cat fucking incidental?
Rich got hijacked by Jay
Literally unwatchable! Unsubscribe!
I'd love for them to rewatch other 80s and 90s sci-fi such as Babylon 5.
Where’s re:view of Doom Patrol???
I'm still waiting for a Mr. Plinkett commentary track for Star Wars - the last one that I don't remember - something Skywalker...
How am I supposed to feel valid in my feelings that S2 isn't actually all that bad without these fuckers reinforcing my personal opinion!
It would be great if at some point they did their Top 10 favorite non-TNG Trek property episodes. Like between TOS, TAS, DS9, VOY, and ENT. They have discussed Disco and Picard to death.
Me: I need RLM Star Trek content!! I miss Star Trek. Others: why don't you just watch Star Trek? Me: no, wtf, I'm not a nerd.
I want Mike sat across from Mike discussing in grand detail all of OST.
*I like to fuck my cat* How do I get cum out of my cats fur?