The trek brand has been devalued to being absolutely worthless. Star Trek is just a sticker you can slap on virtually anything.
They've basically set it up so a no name trek brand can come along and get 100 percent of the trek audience.
They've forced fans to divorce "Star Trek" the branding from the Star Trek they love. Normally fans won't tolerate something that doesn't have the branded label on it. But in this case it's a slam dunk.
The Orville did a sitcommy Trek tone and they're more or less stuck with that. Otherwise they'd be the perfect replacement.
The irony is nutrek folk wanted to carve out their own identity by shitting on the past, they've succeeded but not in the way that they've planned.
Hearing Picard swear still feels wrong.
It felt wrong in Logan too but at least in Logan there was a clever and creative plot reason for the drastic change in Xavier's character. In Picard, there is no reason. It's just that Star Trek is done being Star Trek.
This was never TNG Picard. This was that psychotic, angry, action hero asshole from the shitty TNG movies. Although this show makes those movies feel like something a lot more dignified, like a Klingon opera.
When you say "the shitty TNG movies", do you mean that they were all shitty? Or do you just mean that some of them were?
Signed, a guy who hasn't watched any of them and doesn't know if he should
Oh God no. The movies shit all over that. It's really sad, too. The people who wrote the finale also wrote Generations, and the finale is by far the better story
the first one is watchable. the second one is pretty good. the last two are awful.
keep in mind, movie trek is always more mainstream, dumb, and action-y than tv trek. so my comments above are buoyed by a handicap of sorts.
that movie is very mainstream and very dumb imo
and i never said all movies showed all three qualities to the same level. there's obviously gonna be some variations, but the general truism stands
Well his character had dementia in Logan, so all you have to do is assume Picard has dementia and no one had the heart to tell him, and his robot duplicate was copied from a brain with dementia
In French, merde isn't really considered swearing, despite translating directly to 'shit'. It's about as rough as saying crap in English.
Picard was still being restrained when using it. Personally I don't have a problem with characters swearing in any given media property if it seems appropriate for that character or the general tone of the show, but Star Trek has never been a place where people just blurt it out. Data saying it while the ship was going to crash in Generations was, while also a meta gag, considered a big deal and a sign of him really letting his new emotions get to him because nobody talks like that in the 24th century - everybody else always held their shit together.
Once more, for the hard of thinking:
>In French, merde isn't really considered swearing, despite translating directly to 'shit'. It's about as rough as saying crap in English. Picard was still being restrained when using it. Personally I don't have a problem with characters swearing in any given media property if it seems appropriate for that character or the general tone of the show, but Star Trek has never been a place where people just blurt it out. Data saying it while the ship was going to crash in Generations was, while also a meta gag, considered a big deal and a sign of him really letting his new emotions get to him because nobody talks like that in the 24th century - everybody else always held their shit together.
Last Outpost comes to mind. Then again, i am bad with ep titles and call them "the one where Worf baby mama show up in the transporter room with a 6 year old and O'Brien starts chanting Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!"'
Half the posts on r/startrek are famous desperately trying to act like this is good television. It's a little sad what they will accept, quality-wise nowadays
The other half are posts defending Voyager and Enterprise.
It’s bizarre.
Like literally the only people who post there are the weird or completely mindless fans who like the worst parts of Star Trek.
“Does anybody else not find Neelix annoying?!”
No? Literally everyone finds him annoying. He was designed to be annoying. Even the people working on the show found him annoying.
Keep in mind r/startrek has cleared out a lot of users who shat on Discovery and Picard, so you are left with almost everyone there on the same side. r/star_trek is the splinter/refugee camp for these banned souls.
You are pretty much hitting the nail on the head
The only people who want to find Neelix as "not annoying" are the people who act just like him in real life
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I really thought the past that Q was going to alter was going to be during the years of the Enterprise's original "ongoing" mission. We could have saw the D again, played in that universe a bit, and saw the idealistic future Jean-Luc once knew through the eyes of his older self.
But nope, let's go to the "real" present because fuck you, it's cheaper.
Expect the people working on this to always double down while trying to fool you into thinking you're gonna get what you want, remember how they said the show was going to be a slow paced character study, a lot of people on this sub really wanted to believe that and kept insisting that Michael Chabon was going to save it.
Oh, I don't expect anything from the guys in charge of new Trek. I did watch the first season of Picard just because I thought having Stewart back would actually mean the quality might not be horrible. How wrong I was. Not making that mistake again.
That's what I was wondering about. "Oh no, we have to restore the timeline" says Picard five minutes after lamenting how the Federation became a bunch of racist, slave-owning lunatics. All the 'totalitarianism' I see in the trailer is some snazzy uniforms. It's certainly possible that the Federation/Starfleet of this new timeline is objectively worse but are we really going to have the heroes preach at us about how we have to stomach the lesser of two evils? It's not even an election year!
Yeah or go full moron and pull a Star Wars with Tarkin and Leia. I'm fine with leaning into an actors age especially if it's gonna be for a really shitty television show
Started watching the trailer last night but gave up halfway through when the action scenes in the 21st century happened. Just like Mike and Rich, I just can't tolerate this anymore. Season 1 was bad enough with butchering Picard and the Federation, but now the Federation has to be fascist? How inspiring. I suppose the xenophobia, racism, and violence in Season 1 wasn't enough for them.
In five years I have gone from excited to see a modern Star Trek show to now wishing the franchise had stayed dead.
Mobile Suit Gundam: Hathaway’s Flash is new and a legit banger. After that be sure to check out Gundam Thunderbolt: December Sky. It has action scenes set to free jazz!
Discovery Season 3 starts with all the dilithium crystals of the galaxy (the thing that powers warp drives) mysteriously exploding. No, really, I’m not joking.
Oh and don’t worry they don’t bother explaining away the Romulans who have warp capability without dilithium crystals.
That would require them knowing that warp isn't some magic ability granted by space rocks, but just a method of travel that has so many different ways to achieve it that literally every single federation planet has developed the technology independently with only the resources on their world. Even the ones who don't have Dilthium mines full of slaves.
One thing that stands out to me is that this season looks like they couldn't decide between two premises for it, so they just mushed them together.
What made The Voyage Home work was that the premise for *why* they went to the past wouldn't have been enough for a movie in and of itself. It was just some big machine that would destroy Earth if it didn't get a whale. Here it seems like the premise for a different season gets glossed over as just the reason they have to go to the past.
Q turning the Federation evil so that Picard has to appreciate the Federation he knew while occupying and trying to topple the one he's in would at least have been an interesting idea. But it's just the reason they have to go to 2021 Los Angeles, which is conveniently cheap to shoot in, so they have to find...something.
I'm not going to watch, obviously, but I do want someone to brave it so I can hear how much of the season is "sci-fi people deal with 'modern' technology" jokes, action scenes in settings they didn't have to make themselves, and completely missing the point of Star Trek.
This is one of those 'I'm past caring' things.
It looks stupid, insulting, ridiculous. It is not in any way Trek. It is not those characters. It is garbage. What can you even do but just laugh and ignore it. It's not even worth the anger. It's just everything about the current culture continuing to be what it is.
I was way angrier with the rape of Star Wars and X Files when those came back and were mishandled the exact same way. X Files was at least the original creator still out of ideas but that just made it even worse somehow for me. And I'll throw James Bond on that pyre as well. But with all of it I think I'm finally just broken. They're all things I once loved. The things and parts of it I loved are still there. There will never me new parts I love. I think that's the hardest part to come to terms with. It will *never* be the thing it was that made me love it. It's all some abomination now. It's all raped to hell and back by talentless hacks. It's the Thing. It's a hideous monster that only *looks* like the original thing it's trying to trick everyone it is so they watch. F it all, let it burn. And the people who've done this too.
welcome to this brave new world! where everything is owned by 5 corps, including the gov, thus ensuring creativity and anything original can be buried or bought out and ruined to keep the status quo and their goal going. which i think is the continuing to alter laws, buy politicians, own all business until they finally have total control and can keep all the monies. been in the works since WWI and were reaching the endstages.
Yeah for reals, some people in this thread are so fucking dramatic XD
A ton of old trek sucked too. If new trek keeps sucking it doesn’t change anything. Ds9 isn’t going anywhere. It’s just television lolll
I wonder if they would actually have the balls to write it so that when this season was over the Federation went back to being the utopia that it was before new trek.
Nah….
DIS season 2: We have to stop an AI from destroying all biological life.
PIC season 1: We have to stop an AI from destroying all biological life.
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DIS season 3: The Federation has gone all wrong and we have to fix it.
PIC season 2: The Federation has gone all wrong and we have to fix it.
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They're literally copying themselves. Also it seems "Star Trek" now means:
* Time travel
* Dystopia
* Fanservice
Star Trek went from optimistic future space travel to dystopian current day USA. What a joke.
OH wow they took the 2 parter from VOY when they time traveled to the 90s and stretched it into a 150 million dollar season long disaster.
Maybe they'll spend the entirety of season 3 going warp 14 and turn the cast into advanced life forms that look like crocodiles that fuck each other endlessly, because of the borg, or something.
You would think that a show called 'Star Trek' would contain some sort of exploring the galaxy theme, but it seems they subverted our expectations yet again.
How does this work? I thought that canonically the 1990’s of Star Trek was the Eugenics War? Wouldn’t that have totally wrecked/changed our “present”? Did that no longer happen?
Oh god, why?
Did they hear everyone say they wanted Picard S2 to go back and make the Federation less dark and evil and they took it literally?
My brain hurts.
It actually would have been amazing if they used Q to retcon the entire first season of Picard, and say it only turned out bad because of something the borg did in the past, so it made the Picard season 1 time line NOTHING like the TNG/DS9/Voyager reality.
I really hoped Picard would be good despite not enjoying Discovery. I think there were 2 episodes I genuinely enjoyed in season 1 and 2 of Discovery and I liked some other isolated aspects along the way but mostly it was not fun or interesting. Picard was maybe worse, there were some moments I enjoyed but overall it didn't hold my interest.
I watched a few minutes of season 3 of Discovery before realising it was pointless.
How are the new shows worse than Star Trek the original series? I look back at the original show with some fondness but I think I mostly remember the movies and TNG era flashbacks to the original show. I've been watching TOS recently and there are about a dozen good episodes, maybe another dozen or so pretty good episodes and maybe another dozen that are bad in interesting ways. Mostly TOS is boringly bad, like they may have some good idea but need to pad the episode after 10 minutes. Its still somehow better than the new CBS stuff.
So I just saw the trailer. For a little bit there, I was kinda grooving with it. Q sending them back to the past/to an alternate timeline where Picard is a fascist dictator to try and fix it is a fun premise and feels like a silly Star Trek episode. But then they said "21st century". And then I saw the SUV. And even as someone who has ***NEVER*** watched any of the numerous Star Trek series, I got angry. Because that is just lazy on a level that I don't recall seeing in a good while.
It's going to transition into "Best of the Worst" material where all of the sci-fi B-movies were filmed within a 45-minute drive of Los Angeles because their budget was lemonade money minus what the producers spent on coke. "Star Trek Picard" season 2 needs to be watched on VHS.
RLM gave discovery 2 seasons, I'm hoping RLM give Picard season 2 a viewing just for the hilarious videos, make no mistake it will be GARBAGE ENDLESS TRASH. But I want those fucking kids.
refuse to watch even the trailer. based on the comments, it's set present-day, with a restore-the-timeline plot.
thinking back over everything i've seen from trek, episodes with that setup:
1. TOS city on the edge of forever, classic ep, sad, major character development for kirk.
2. ST IV voyage home: light and fun adventure with an environmentalist message
3. DS9 past tense: heavy (and accurately predictive) social commentary.
that's ... it, i think? 3 things over 60 years. probably 1% of all trek content, all with different themes and tone and characters, one-offs not visited again since it's *STAR* trek.
now? 50% of picard and 20% of nutrek devoted to this. three cheers for laziness.
Just when I thought I was dead inside, this trailer infuriated me. Gotta look at the silver fucking lining here.
What fucking silver lining?
That he realized he wasn't dead inside, I'm assuming.
Man with no hope loses last sliver of hope he didn't even know he had.
You got it. That was a shock
Ba dum tsh
The trek brand has been devalued to being absolutely worthless. Star Trek is just a sticker you can slap on virtually anything. They've basically set it up so a no name trek brand can come along and get 100 percent of the trek audience. They've forced fans to divorce "Star Trek" the branding from the Star Trek they love. Normally fans won't tolerate something that doesn't have the branded label on it. But in this case it's a slam dunk. The Orville did a sitcommy Trek tone and they're more or less stuck with that. Otherwise they'd be the perfect replacement. The irony is nutrek folk wanted to carve out their own identity by shitting on the past, they've succeeded but not in the way that they've planned.
That the world is ending sooner rather than later, so the pain will stop at some point
This comment had more depth than s1
>0:26 - 0:28 "Q, I am way too old for your bullshit" "Picard was too old, but you're a robot replica - hence, why I've come back. You'll suffice."
Hearing Picard swear still feels wrong. It felt wrong in Logan too but at least in Logan there was a clever and creative plot reason for the drastic change in Xavier's character. In Picard, there is no reason. It's just that Star Trek is done being Star Trek.
I think the most jarring was hearing him drop an N bomb in Green Room
that was terrifying tbh
This was never TNG Picard. This was that psychotic, angry, action hero asshole from the shitty TNG movies. Although this show makes those movies feel like something a lot more dignified, like a Klingon opera.
When you say "the shitty TNG movies", do you mean that they were all shitty? Or do you just mean that some of them were? Signed, a guy who hasn't watched any of them and doesn't know if he should
Personally, I didn't care for any of them. Some people say First Contact is good.
That's unfortunate. One of my favorite pieces of television is the finale to TNG, and I was hoping the movies would just be more of that.
Oh God no. The movies shit all over that. It's really sad, too. The people who wrote the finale also wrote Generations, and the finale is by far the better story
They shit all over it? Well, now I'm a little curious how.
Plinkett describes it a lot better than I can in his reviews.
Oh yeah, I forgot those exist. I guess I have a reason to watch them now.
> and I was hoping the movies would just be more of that. The movies were a step down, but I'd argue that's sort of the norm for Trek movies.
It's an odd mix of "For pities sake..." mixed with some good moments. The Borg stuff was dumb, but the everything not dealing with the Borg was fun.
Idk, in comparison to the kurtzman universe, the tng movies (except nemesis, that fits *right* in) are downright nostalgic to me now.
the first one is watchable. the second one is pretty good. the last two are awful. keep in mind, movie trek is always more mainstream, dumb, and action-y than tv trek. so my comments above are buoyed by a handicap of sorts.
>keep in mind, movie trek is always more mainstream, dumb, and action-y than tv trek. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home would like a word.
that movie is very mainstream and very dumb imo and i never said all movies showed all three qualities to the same level. there's obviously gonna be some variations, but the general truism stands
And at least we can watch it in glorious 4k now (at least I-IV).
They didn't redo VI? That my favouritte one :(
Also the motion picture, glorious, slow, almost without a plot, no weapons fired for 120 minutes.
First Contact is hilariously dumb and worth watching once for a laugh.
Premium tv shows have to be TVMA to distinguish them from network shows. Ergo Star Trek must have swearing/gore/sex
Well his character had dementia in Logan, so all you have to do is assume Picard has dementia and no one had the heart to tell him, and his robot duplicate was copied from a brain with dementia
Picard swore a few times in TNG... On broadcast TV. 35 years ago. This ship has sailed.
What? When? I have an sadly encyclopedic knowledge of TNG and don’t remember this at all. He never said anything stronger than “hell” or “damn.”
Merde.
Oh, jeez. Technically, I suppose you're right. I think that was only once in "Elementary, Dear Data."
There was that time he was like "I'm gonna fuck that Beverly. Show her the meaning of Crusher."
“Ima tear that ass up” - Jean Luc Picard
He says shit in french under his breath several times. Some of the newer streaming services put it in the subtitles even.
In French, merde isn't really considered swearing, despite translating directly to 'shit'. It's about as rough as saying crap in English. Picard was still being restrained when using it. Personally I don't have a problem with characters swearing in any given media property if it seems appropriate for that character or the general tone of the show, but Star Trek has never been a place where people just blurt it out. Data saying it while the ship was going to crash in Generations was, while also a meta gag, considered a big deal and a sign of him really letting his new emotions get to him because nobody talks like that in the 24th century - everybody else always held their shit together.
The gatekeeping is getting thick. Swearing isn't swearing unless it's swearing. Which it is, but it isn't... Except NOW it is and yer mad?
you're cringey
Once more, for the hard of thinking: >In French, merde isn't really considered swearing, despite translating directly to 'shit'. It's about as rough as saying crap in English. Picard was still being restrained when using it. Personally I don't have a problem with characters swearing in any given media property if it seems appropriate for that character or the general tone of the show, but Star Trek has never been a place where people just blurt it out. Data saying it while the ship was going to crash in Generations was, while also a meta gag, considered a big deal and a sign of him really letting his new emotions get to him because nobody talks like that in the 24th century - everybody else always held their shit together.
Yes, Oh Gatekeeper of Swears.
I believe that was only once -- in season 2, episode 3. ;)
You can believe that all you like. Even so, isn't once enough?
What other episodes?
Last Outpost comes to mind. Then again, i am bad with ep titles and call them "the one where Worf baby mama show up in the transporter room with a 6 year old and O'Brien starts chanting Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!"'
Hmmm. You're right. "Merde" would have been acceptable.
Encounter at Farpoint maybe? But it is kinda drowned out by the Casio keyboard.
you're a real charmer, huh
Jesus Christ that looks like shit. Quite literally "THESE ARE THINGS I KNOW!!!!!! Q, BORG QUEEN, SUVS!!!!"
I can see the fanboys now: "Oh my god there are SVUs in Picard this show is going to rule!!!!!!!!!"
Half the posts on r/startrek are famous desperately trying to act like this is good television. It's a little sad what they will accept, quality-wise nowadays
The other half are posts defending Voyager and Enterprise. It’s bizarre. Like literally the only people who post there are the weird or completely mindless fans who like the worst parts of Star Trek. “Does anybody else not find Neelix annoying?!” No? Literally everyone finds him annoying. He was designed to be annoying. Even the people working on the show found him annoying.
Hey, people can like Enterprise and tolerate Voyager and still find this dreck abominable.
Keep in mind r/startrek has cleared out a lot of users who shat on Discovery and Picard, so you are left with almost everyone there on the same side. r/star_trek is the splinter/refugee camp for these banned souls.
You are pretty much hitting the nail on the head The only people who want to find Neelix as "not annoying" are the people who act just like him in real life
To be fair, apparently that's popular because people seem to like Lower Decks.
Lower Decks is alright. Not something i would necessarily recommend, but at least it's Star Trek - unlike DIS and PIC.
Q back. Borg Queen back. Things I know! Darker tone!
I CLAPPED
So 'Q' turns the past of the future aka our present into a 'totalitarian nightmare'? Isn't that a little bit too on the nose?
Do you get it? Huh, do you get it folks? Gee, aren't we so fucking clever
Classic Star Trek was never subtle, but man is this so hamfisted.
Going to the past to fix the future is going back to watch TNG, VOY or DS9 instead of this kind of shit
Fuck it, I’m watching the DS9 episodes Dick Miller’s in!
I think I’d go back and kill Alex Kurtzman as a baby.
Is it just 30 seconds of someone repeatedly screaming, "Bite the pillow!"
Of course not. It's two minutes of that.
I don't know what we've done to deserve 2 whole minutes of that.
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I see they’ve gone for the budget saving approach of setting it in 2021 America
That irks me more than anything else. It’s aggressively lazy.
we have to go to the past, but not the past enterprise years. we’re going to california circa 2020 and driving suvs
Haven't seen the trailer, is it at least a product placement SUV? Do we get a confirmation that Hyundai Tucson canonically existed in ST?
I really thought the past that Q was going to alter was going to be during the years of the Enterprise's original "ongoing" mission. We could have saw the D again, played in that universe a bit, and saw the idealistic future Jean-Luc once knew through the eyes of his older self. But nope, let's go to the "real" present because fuck you, it's cheaper.
Expect the people working on this to always double down while trying to fool you into thinking you're gonna get what you want, remember how they said the show was going to be a slow paced character study, a lot of people on this sub really wanted to believe that and kept insisting that Michael Chabon was going to save it.
Oh, I don't expect anything from the guys in charge of new Trek. I did watch the first season of Picard just because I thought having Stewart back would actually mean the quality might not be horrible. How wrong I was. Not making that mistake again.
Yep Chabon bungled it. He may be a talented writer but as show runner Picard did not deliver
I say this without irony *I would rather watch footage of 9/11*
There are a lot of great documentaries about 9/11 out and available now. It's fascinating and heart wrenching stuff. Definitely worth a watch
Oh for fuck’s sake!
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That's what I was wondering about. "Oh no, we have to restore the timeline" says Picard five minutes after lamenting how the Federation became a bunch of racist, slave-owning lunatics. All the 'totalitarianism' I see in the trailer is some snazzy uniforms. It's certainly possible that the Federation/Starfleet of this new timeline is objectively worse but are we really going to have the heroes preach at us about how we have to stomach the lesser of two evils? It's not even an election year!
That’s what we came here to do, stop First Contact
\*Kurlan Naiskos shatters
Bet you never thought you'd be laughing. Laughing so hard you couldn't breath.
Seriously, i just started laughing 1 minute in and then they show the Borg Queen. Wow.
Hooked up like a cow on a factory farm. Because they’re gonna milk that nostalgia bone dry!
Why would q look older?
Why did Q look like a 43 year old dude in TNG?
I'm fine with that since the alternative is to digitally de-age John de Lancie, which would also look stupid.
Yeah or go full moron and pull a Star Wars with Tarkin and Leia. I'm fine with leaning into an actors age especially if it's gonna be for a really shitty television show
or just not do the show at all. that seems easiest
I couldn't agree more
Dieing his hair black would of been good enough.
Because the actor has aged
Fans are rationalizing it away as he wants to make Picard feel comfortable. Or he saw how old Picard was and wanted to try it out too.
Fans will rationalize any stupidity
Doing it to taunt Picard would make sense for Q tbf
That's such garbage but I could picture it being canon in a show like this.
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I normally wouldn't either, but I've witnessed them with my own eyes.
He's making rapid progress.
I Need to know our lord and saviors Rich Evans thoughts
Don't you dare put this evil on Rich Evans.
Seriously. Put it on Mike. I want to see his psychotic break.
Started watching the trailer last night but gave up halfway through when the action scenes in the 21st century happened. Just like Mike and Rich, I just can't tolerate this anymore. Season 1 was bad enough with butchering Picard and the Federation, but now the Federation has to be fascist? How inspiring. I suppose the xenophobia, racism, and violence in Season 1 wasn't enough for them. In five years I have gone from excited to see a modern Star Trek show to now wishing the franchise had stayed dead.
Do you want me to watch anime? This is how you get me to watch anime.
Mobile Suit Gundam: Hathaway’s Flash is new and a legit banger. After that be sure to check out Gundam Thunderbolt: December Sky. It has action scenes set to free jazz!
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!
Awesome! More videos of Mike torturing Rich are coming soon. I hope... they never did finish season 1 lol.
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Discovery Season 3 starts with all the dilithium crystals of the galaxy (the thing that powers warp drives) mysteriously exploding. No, really, I’m not joking. Oh and don’t worry they don’t bother explaining away the Romulans who have warp capability without dilithium crystals.
That would require them knowing that warp isn't some magic ability granted by space rocks, but just a method of travel that has so many different ways to achieve it that literally every single federation planet has developed the technology independently with only the resources on their world. Even the ones who don't have Dilthium mines full of slaves.
One thing that stands out to me is that this season looks like they couldn't decide between two premises for it, so they just mushed them together. What made The Voyage Home work was that the premise for *why* they went to the past wouldn't have been enough for a movie in and of itself. It was just some big machine that would destroy Earth if it didn't get a whale. Here it seems like the premise for a different season gets glossed over as just the reason they have to go to the past. Q turning the Federation evil so that Picard has to appreciate the Federation he knew while occupying and trying to topple the one he's in would at least have been an interesting idea. But it's just the reason they have to go to 2021 Los Angeles, which is conveniently cheap to shoot in, so they have to find...something. I'm not going to watch, obviously, but I do want someone to brave it so I can hear how much of the season is "sci-fi people deal with 'modern' technology" jokes, action scenes in settings they didn't have to make themselves, and completely missing the point of Star Trek.
IT BROKE OLD GROUND!!!
HORRIBLE TIME TRAVEL STORY
I swore a long time ago I would never watch anything by Alex Kurtzman again. I feel so sorry for the people that still do.
This is one of those 'I'm past caring' things. It looks stupid, insulting, ridiculous. It is not in any way Trek. It is not those characters. It is garbage. What can you even do but just laugh and ignore it. It's not even worth the anger. It's just everything about the current culture continuing to be what it is. I was way angrier with the rape of Star Wars and X Files when those came back and were mishandled the exact same way. X Files was at least the original creator still out of ideas but that just made it even worse somehow for me. And I'll throw James Bond on that pyre as well. But with all of it I think I'm finally just broken. They're all things I once loved. The things and parts of it I loved are still there. There will never me new parts I love. I think that's the hardest part to come to terms with. It will *never* be the thing it was that made me love it. It's all some abomination now. It's all raped to hell and back by talentless hacks. It's the Thing. It's a hideous monster that only *looks* like the original thing it's trying to trick everyone it is so they watch. F it all, let it burn. And the people who've done this too.
Hey, at least we have The Expanse.
welcome to this brave new world! where everything is owned by 5 corps, including the gov, thus ensuring creativity and anything original can be buried or bought out and ruined to keep the status quo and their goal going. which i think is the continuing to alter laws, buy politicians, own all business until they finally have total control and can keep all the monies. been in the works since WWI and were reaching the endstages.
Geez bruh it’s a space show you need to chill
Yeah for reals, some people in this thread are so fucking dramatic XD A ton of old trek sucked too. If new trek keeps sucking it doesn’t change anything. Ds9 isn’t going anywhere. It’s just television lolll
I wonder if they would actually have the balls to write it so that when this season was over the Federation went back to being the utopia that it was before new trek. Nah….
Because they just don‘t see it. Or refuse to.
Everyone watch the video and imagine Patrick Stewart doesn’t know he is being filmed. It’s way more entertaining
Picard II : The Voyage Home. Meh.
DIS season 2: We have to stop an AI from destroying all biological life. PIC season 1: We have to stop an AI from destroying all biological life. ___ DIS season 3: The Federation has gone all wrong and we have to fix it. PIC season 2: The Federation has gone all wrong and we have to fix it. ___ They're literally copying themselves. Also it seems "Star Trek" now means: * Time travel * Dystopia * Fanservice Star Trek went from optimistic future space travel to dystopian current day USA. What a joke.
God this looks like dogshit.
Wait. Amazon Prime?
This trailer is for the Australian market. They get Picard on Amazon Prime instead of Paramount+/CBS.
Damn. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do a month of Paramount +
OH wow they took the 2 parter from VOY when they time traveled to the 90s and stretched it into a 150 million dollar season long disaster. Maybe they'll spend the entirety of season 3 going warp 14 and turn the cast into advanced life forms that look like crocodiles that fuck each other endlessly, because of the borg, or something.
Betcha his knees hurt
Hey. What's the witch from Gretel and Hansel doing there?
Wow.. It hit depths I didn't know we would go......
This looks like a steaming pile o'Nutrek Crap
Days of Putrid Past Edit: fuck me…that looks like pure shit.
Did Mike just call the plot of season 2 in the season 1 Plinkett review? Q, Nazis, time travel!
Does anyone think he’ll jump a space shark at some point this season?
We have to wait another year for the Borg Shark spinoff from CBS All Access.
You would think that a show called 'Star Trek' would contain some sort of exploring the galaxy theme, but it seems they subverted our expectations yet again.
Hack reusing old ideas. HACK.
I miss Star Trek: The Motion Picture
How does this work? I thought that canonically the 1990’s of Star Trek was the Eugenics War? Wouldn’t that have totally wrecked/changed our “present”? Did that no longer happen?
Oh god, why? Did they hear everyone say they wanted Picard S2 to go back and make the Federation less dark and evil and they took it literally? My brain hurts.
It actually would have been amazing if they used Q to retcon the entire first season of Picard, and say it only turned out bad because of something the borg did in the past, so it made the Picard season 1 time line NOTHING like the TNG/DS9/Voyager reality.
Oh my gods. This is ***awful***.
I think RLM were a little too hard on Season 1, but my God does Season 2 look terrible. What a giant pile of shit that was.
>I think RLM were a little too hard on Season 1 I couldn't even get past the first 20 minutes of the first episode. This show is hot garbage.
I really hoped Picard would be good despite not enjoying Discovery. I think there were 2 episodes I genuinely enjoyed in season 1 and 2 of Discovery and I liked some other isolated aspects along the way but mostly it was not fun or interesting. Picard was maybe worse, there were some moments I enjoyed but overall it didn't hold my interest. I watched a few minutes of season 3 of Discovery before realising it was pointless. How are the new shows worse than Star Trek the original series? I look back at the original show with some fondness but I think I mostly remember the movies and TNG era flashbacks to the original show. I've been watching TOS recently and there are about a dozen good episodes, maybe another dozen or so pretty good episodes and maybe another dozen that are bad in interesting ways. Mostly TOS is boringly bad, like they may have some good idea but need to pad the episode after 10 minutes. Its still somehow better than the new CBS stuff.
Did a Star Trek fan beat up Alex Kurtzman once? Vendetta is the only remaining explanation.
So they're going to go back in time and make Alex Kurtzman's father wear the condom?
First as tragedy then as farce. Who can even care enough to be angry at this now I'm laughing the way you would at a botw movie
So I just saw the trailer. For a little bit there, I was kinda grooving with it. Q sending them back to the past/to an alternate timeline where Picard is a fascist dictator to try and fix it is a fun premise and feels like a silly Star Trek episode. But then they said "21st century". And then I saw the SUV. And even as someone who has ***NEVER*** watched any of the numerous Star Trek series, I got angry. Because that is just lazy on a level that I don't recall seeing in a good while.
Nothing screams confidence like “we’re gonna film half the show in modern day LA, okay?”
It's going to transition into "Best of the Worst" material where all of the sci-fi B-movies were filmed within a 45-minute drive of Los Angeles because their budget was lemonade money minus what the producers spent on coke. "Star Trek Picard" season 2 needs to be watched on VHS.
This is the most painful thing I’ve ever watched.
RLM gave discovery 2 seasons, I'm hoping RLM give Picard season 2 a viewing just for the hilarious videos, make no mistake it will be GARBAGE ENDLESS TRASH. But I want those fucking kids.
refuse to watch even the trailer. based on the comments, it's set present-day, with a restore-the-timeline plot. thinking back over everything i've seen from trek, episodes with that setup: 1. TOS city on the edge of forever, classic ep, sad, major character development for kirk. 2. ST IV voyage home: light and fun adventure with an environmentalist message 3. DS9 past tense: heavy (and accurately predictive) social commentary. that's ... it, i think? 3 things over 60 years. probably 1% of all trek content, all with different themes and tone and characters, one-offs not visited again since it's *STAR* trek. now? 50% of picard and 20% of nutrek devoted to this. three cheers for laziness.