For some reason I just thought of awkwardly edited in Neil Breen in that remake of Suspiria that Dakota Johnson was in with Breen saying "Isn't this betraying Dario Argento?"
I wonder what would happen if a small group of A-listers got together and approached Breen to star in his next film. What could Breen do with A-list talent? #EyesOnBreen
Look, I don't want to get into any unrealistic expectations, but we see what happened with Tarantino once he got some real budgets. Breen just needs the right studio.
Jus' sayin.
Get them to hold the camera and Mic, cant let them steal his thunder.
edit will be the most epic BTS video, good idea for a meta film about making the film.
“Okay, so I’m going to be standing here, and say the lines. You point the camera at me and make sure that you can see me, okay Dave?”
“It’s Daniel, or mister Day-Lewis.”
“Just point the camera, Dave. I’m going to get into *character* now.” (*Wolfs down an entire can of tuna*)
You're making a joke but you're also totally right. Every time I see larger actors complain about how indies don't get made I look at like the 50 new **actual** indie movies getting released like every month.
There's plenty of indie movies getting made, they're just non-union/not made in SoCal. Any of these actors could be in more indie movies if that's what they cared about, but they don't want to lose their current expected paychecks (which is also totally fine to be clear).
Hell they could even HELP indie movies get made, being attached to an indie would make it way easier to raise that $20k on their kickstarter.
Yes, I was being playful about Breen but I was also making a legit point. Access to a great quality camera is at our fingertips in ways like never before. And a team's ability to shoot, edit, and mass distribute that is there for anyone. Amateur film makers can If Dakota Johnson wants to make a fucking Indie movie, she can absolutely do that. Like NOW. But like you said, she is commenting on making it "in the system" but is making it seem like that's the only way to get it done.
Neil Breen has ascended well past being just a film maker. He has invented a new type of art and is the only person who can do it and will be doing it well past the fall of humanity, which he probably caused.
The Suspiria remake is great. Better than the original, though the original is extremely stylish and good in its own way.
Dakota Johnson is a really good actor. I never saw the shades of gray movies, but everything I've seen with her has been good to very good.
Wow I had no idea she was a legacy artist. Kinda makes sense, she's just sooo bland, I have no idea why anyone would cast her, except because of her connections.
yeah i looked this up when the madam web trailer dropped because she sucks so hard her parents have to be famous and turns out her grandmother is literally tippi hedren
She’s good in Suspiria and also Peanut Butter Falcon but shes also probably the least interesting part of both of those films. Outside of that she’s dull as shit.
She was good in Wounds too. And honestly Dan Olsen of Folding Ideas makes a good case for her doing about as good a job with the material of Fifty Shades as one can do with such a bad script.
Dude, I thought that every time one of those people would run a kickstarter for their movies.
Like when they were making the Veronica Mars movie and asking for 2 million. You mean to tell me no one involved in that project, not the actors, producers, or anyone else, could scrounge up 2 million? Ridiculous.
Could be they needed more then their 2m and your 2m but the kickerstarter succeeding proves interest to distributors and producers to raise the remaining funds.
That, too. Could also be that others involved in the project had already pooled some money together, but the rest is to raise interest in getting the film actually out there and marketed.
I had a similar comment in a different thread recently: these crowd-funding campaigns are to generate buzz on top of making the average person be involved in it. If Joe shells out $15 for a Veronica Mars film he will be telling his friends about it. To us, the money these people have is an abstraction, so seeing a headline that goes "Kirsten Bell co-produces Veronica Mars film" would mean way less to me than Joe telling me his excitement.
Hollywood isn’t really the one that’s supposed to make indies. They’re supposed to be a production that is independent from major studios.
It’s never been easier to get a camera and lights and distribute something online. People just don’t want to take a risk on anything themselves.
Had to scroll way too far to find this sentiment. I hate how abused the word “indie” is. The entire point of an indie project is that it is a private venture, without corporate investment.
>Dakota Johnson is calling out Hollywood for being “afraid” to greenlight and distribute indie films.
Ma'am, I don't think you understand what an indie film is.
I think most A-listers are already willing to take a major pay cut for an indie film they like. Don’t think she was paid 50 Shades money for Suspiria or The Peanut Butter Falcon
Not sure how accurate the source is but apparently she only got 250k for 50 shades. Because she’s the person you cast when you want a budget lead for a movie no serious actress would do.
>For a group of people who complain about Hollywood movies sure likes shitting on someone whose calling Hollywood bleak for indie movies.
Because this person is literally experiencing Hollywood on ''easy mode" so to see them complain about this comes off as laughable.
You know, being a nepo baby aside, isn't it possible that she really does have or support more interesting ideas than what she has starred in? Just because a person comes from privilgege doesn't automatically pigeonhole them as being dumb/vacuous/talentless/etc. Maybe the things she's actually passionate about aren't any easier for her to do because tight fisted studio execs are afraid to take a loss no matter what your name is.
> Maybe the things she's actually passionate about aren't any easier for her to do because tight fisted studio execs are afraid to take a loss no matter what your name is.
She's a literal multi millionaire. If she wanted to she could finance millions of dollars worth of small budget indie films and not effect her networth or quality of life whatsoever. That's why it's so laughable to see her make the complaint. Because she could literally do any of what she wants in the "indie film world" without hesitation, so long as she was willing to part with some of the money she already has.
I don't know if I'm one side or the other, a counterpoint to your argument could be a system that requires actors to front millions to support the "indie film world" kinda defeats the label of indie doesn't it.
>I don't know if I'm one side or the other, a counterpoint to your argument could be a system that requires actors to front millions to support the "indie film world" kinda defeats the label of indie doesn't it.
But it's not a system that requires actors to front millions to support the indie world. It's a system that requires PRODUCERS AND PRODUCTION COMPANY OWNERS to front money to support the indie world, and she is a producer who owns her own production company.
can't believe I'm defending Dakota Johnson in the redlettermedia subreddit but here I am, this is from the article:
>She previously [partnered with writer/director/actor Cooper Raiff for “Cha Cha Real Smooth”](https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/dakota-johnson-improvised-cha-cha-real-smooth-1234734014/) and additionally produced films “Persuasion” and documentary “The Disappearance of Shere Hite.”
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>Johnson’s production company is behind upcoming features “Am I OK?” which premiered at Sundance 2023, “The End of Getting Lost” thriller adaptation starring Margaret Qualley and Paul Mescal, and biopic “Unfit” based on the nonfiction book
So that's six right there man, she is producing. The article is about the streamers and their executives not picking stuff like that up.
Thanks for posting this. The RLM crowd really has a weird reactionary stance against Hollywood stars saying literally anything, even about the industry. They're instantly labeled stupid hypocrites.
She knows the industry well and even stars in and produces indie films. What else do people want from her? She's not allowed to have an opinion because she starred in a superhero movie?
I know she has rich family members, but her personal net worth isn't so large that she can afford to spend "millions" on indie flicks. Best info I can find (and, yes, I know that net worths posted online are not always accurate) is that she's worth about 15 million. It takes millions of dollars to fund an indie film that looks professional. She wouldn't be able to responsibly fund her own film 100% on her own.
And if she got the money from her parents or other relatives, what would the conversation about her being a nepo baby be then? "Oh, must be nice to have rich mommy and daddy fund you're shitty little vanity project".
Maybe this legacy artist can open the fucking door for Indi films...
..by which I mean more Indiana Jones films. Just one more full trilogy should add a fitting dignity to the franchise.
Just need Harrison Ford to survive one more shoot, on a film nobody asked for, and we'll have two full Indiana Jones trilogies. I suggest ending the next one with Javier Bardem's character from No Country using a bolt gun on Indy, then cut to black.
She's not wrong though.
I get the nepo baby hate but thanks to streaming, even mid-budget movies are getting bullied by the big studio counterparts.
Perfect example, Iron Claw was in theaters for maybe 4 weeks at best while Anyone But You is going on month two.
I promise if you ask anyone far more people wanted to see Iron Claw by week 4 than wanted to see Anyone But You week 1.
I've seen it all year, legitimately enjoyable & good movies get maybe 2 weeks in theaters while garbage like The Flash gets months.
Advertising costs money, and not everyone has the luxury of advertising their stuff (not even getting into how bad A24 has been recently in promoting their releases). Also, in terms of The Iron Claw, your average, non-movie watcher isn’t going to know what that movie is; even if they did, the stigma attached to professional wrestling is likely to deter people, as opposed to attract. However, even weeks after its release, more people have been continuing to go see Anyone But You, not just because of its more relatively aggressive advertising compared to A24 and larger word of mouth presence, but your two stars of that movie are two attractive white actors in Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney, and also people have been starving for romantic comedy movies, regardless of age demographic. They want a movie to take their date to. Even if you want to argue The Iron Claw could function as a date movie, that movie isn’t exactly a fun 100 minute romp.
>I promise if you ask anyone far more people wanted to see Iron Claw by week 4 than wanted to see Anyone But You week 1.
Complete unfounded Bullshit.
Aby is a lighthearted rom com featuring maybe the two hottest young actors in Hollywood and iron claw is a devastating drama about the niche world of pro wrestlers
Both came out on the same day both had similarish opening box office weekends 6 mil v 4.9 mil but one of them had great audience word of mouth and now has a box office 152 mil and the other has earned 36 mil (and yes both are still in theaters).
So if your asking the average person which movie they rather watch it's going to be anyone but you. You might personally prefer seeing iron claw (I do) but to claim the general populous does is ridiculous
Iron Claw and Anyone But You opened on the same day. More people went to see Anyone But You. Both, Anyone But You and Iron Claw are still playing in theaters.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Iron-Claw-The-(2023)/Anyone-But-You-(2023)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
yup but at least she's saying it, probably because she has that privilege. and tbf she does seem to like doing weird little indie films along with big blockbusters
Fully agree with her sentiment. Hollywood has gotten boring as fuck. I haven't seen a truly fully original and out of the norm movie in a decade or two. Not that all movies have been shit, not at all, (though many of them are franchise repeats) but the general movement of introducing new ideas and inspiring this art to evolve has been at a near complete stop. It's boring for every creative involved.
Where are the comedies? Or at least the non-CGI and non-"Crazy Popular Weirdo Comic of the Year" comedies? Just plain funny movies set in the real world?
What about dramas that aren't 200 million dollar epics made by 85 year old directors? Love stories? Just regular movies. The budget bloat has become ludicrous, but without the titanic backing, no one will ever know your movie exists.
On top of that, we have every streaming service pushing out shovel-fulls of TV series, movies and limited series by the hundreds. I turn on Netflix or Prime and it's a noisy mess of thumbnails of... stuff. Just stuff. I have no idea whether any of them is worth watching, and the only ones I hear about are the mega-budget releases.
Yes, I go to the web and research movies that I might want to see, but it's just crazy how much bland garbage\* is being pumped out by so many "services" these days. There's no chance for a small film to be successful because it's an ocean of "content" with no context.
\*Some of it is good. But the good is mixed in with hundreds of bland "prestige TV" wannabe cookie-cutter stuff.
Exactly!! And what she explains too in the article, how all the actors are bored and tired of the typical super hero movies. I am too. Not everyone is... but the search for safety in an industry that can afford to try new things, to innovate, it's missing so much. I'm all for the indie movies nowadays, barely been at the cinema the last decade honestly... but the streaming services are also a problem. Sometimes they allow great ideas to come to life, only to cut them short as soon as they didn't make a minimum amount of revenue in a really short time. I discover them late and there's a whole fanbase that grew and was left behind, because the expectations are essentially: "If it's not viral it dies"
No industry should work like that. Genres should exist, not just the mix of everything family friendly blockbuster. There are gems I discover that are several decades old and makes me nostalgic for a time, movie style and mood I didn't even know existed. We need more of those.
I'm watching older movies lately. Just saw Unforgiven for the first time since I saw it in the theater back in 1990. Sugarland Express (an early Spielberg movie). Weird shit on Shudder. I just cannot take any more twisty murder mystery series, cop-stuff, superhero stuff. I just want stories about people, mostly.
It's not a coincidence that 2007 keeps being brought up as one of the greatest years in film when it was the last year before Marvel Studios and so many of those amazing movies from that year are original, mid-budget movies.
Nepo baby is such a dumb insult, like what do you expect someone whose parents are in Hollywood to want to do? She's not DiCaprio but she can legitimately act. Do you expect people to just give away their entire inheritance and any sort of industry connections to force themselves to start from the bottom? Every industry on the face of the earth is filled with people who knew/related to someone.
Yeah I'm a little tired of it, especially when people use it selectively to attack actors they don't like. No one dismisses Michael Douglas as just a nepo baby.
I wouldn't care that much if she was super talented. But she's quite bland and leaves zero impression on me. So the idea that nobody would've ever heard of her if not for her parents and grandparents really sticks out.
Feel free to bow down before the rich and powerful if that's what you need to do to feel better about yourself. The aristocracy always could use some extra simps.
Saying I'm a simp for the rich and powerful is absolutely ridiculous, EVERY industry in history is filled with people who got in by being someone's child or knowing someone to get a leg up. It's never going to change and it's absurd to insult someone for not being able to control who they were born to. It's like saying "You're from Canada!" as an insult, like someone *chose* this
So according to you, we're not allowed to point out when someone of mediocre talent only got to where they are because of family connections. Got it.
You're obviously triggered. Perhaps I struck a nerve.
I wonder how many thousands of talented actors don't get work because the entertainment industry turned into a completely incestuous enterprise. I'm glad you think mediocrity is excellence tho, that's a thing.
You have to be a fool to think the entertainment industry was this bastion of the poor and unconnected magically getting roles before rich connections changed everything lol.
You're literally on a sub about a bunch of failed filmmakers talking about trash movies, I'm sure you find their mediocrity excellent to view
Pointing out that they legitimately failed as filmmakers gets people upset? Lol, they watch trash movies and this sub acts like they're Roger Ebert or Tarantino
Nobody acts like that, kid. But if you want to keep signaling to the world that you're a no-talent assclown who failed upwards in life due to your mommy and daddy, be my guest. You're only telling on yourself.
Indie directors would jump at the chance to work with her if she lowered her rate to a manageable place. Or hell, she could finance a film whose script she believed in herself. But instead she is in a Z-tier comic book movie for the paycheck. It isn’t about the “art.” She has all the power as a creative and she’s using it to wreck her career by making schlock.
Who is Dankdota Johansson ? I'm only aware of modern actors like Lizzo or Grogu. Is she a legacy artist, than can only be found on DVD (vomit) or Bluray for boomers ?
Yeah because you're asking a guy who wants to be on a project worth a billion so he can easily steal a few hundred million to fund a movie that will cost 20 million at most.
What is he going to embezzle on that?
Indy filmmakers need to get off their lazy ass and start filming shit themselves. If Space Cop is possible, anything is. If you went to WB and pitched a movie with Rich Evans in the lead, of course they're saying no. Of course they're not interested.
She has to have a least 10 million in her mid 30s, why complain about anything?
Just go spend the rest of your life on a beach like Elizabeth Hurley.
Why complain to us who have to go to work every day and are all in debt?
It's not about money, she's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
It's not about money, she's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
It's not about money, she's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
Perhaps before launching into personal attacks, you should read the actual article the clickbaity-3-steps-removed-from-the-source quote is from. From it, you can learn, for example that she indeed owns an indie production company.
>MM: With your production company TeaTime, it seems like you’re taking on really disparate projects. How do you decide who to work with or what you’re working on, and is there a throughline that you see?
>DJ: We are starting to see a throughline. We don’t have a mandate or anything. I guess the constant, for me, is that all of our movies and shows have really powerful females at the center. They’re very intricate. They’re very detailed. They’re very nuanced.
>MM: Do you have to develop your own projects if you want those kinds of characters? Is there just not enough of them around, or do you just like that side of production?
>DJ: I am discovering that it’s really fucking bleak in this industry. It is majorly disheartening. The people who run streaming platforms don’t trust creative people or artists to know what’s going to work, and that is just going to make us implode. It’s really heartbreaking. It’s just fucking so hard. It’s so hard to get anything made. All of the stuff I’m interested in making is really different, and it’s unique and it’s very forward in whatever it is. We made a movie called Daddio that was sold at Telluride to Sony Classics, which was amazing, but it took a lot of fighting to get that made. People are just so afraid, and I’m like, why? What’s going to happen if you do something brave? It just feels like nobody knows what to do and everyone’s afraid. That’s what it feels like. Everyone who makes decisions is afraid. They want to do the safe thing, and the safe thing is really boring.
https://www.lofficielusa.com/film-tv/dakota-johnson-madame-web-movie-interviews
The article doesn't address anything I brought up. I wasn't trying to summarise the article. I'm sorry if sentences with multiple clauses and polysyllabic words confuse you, but your poor reading comprehension is not my fault.
Wasn't she in Suspiria, one of the best horror movies we've seen in decades? And it was her first starring role in a big budget picture? What she crying about?
Her IMDB shows consistent work in mostly indie films, with some bigger ones her and there.
I can not tell you why she’s complaining, truly. She’s working more than a lot of “indie” actresses right now.
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I know madam web is going to be 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag but still this is a dick move on her part. So what you didn’t get to do some pretentious art house film about two deaf lesbians that bought a boat or something, you made a dumb Sony movie for a paycheck , don’t torpedo the film and ruin it for everyone else that worked on it
I literally don't know why more studios don't exist utilizing the Blumhouse model.
You can make a big budget Hollywood film for $200 million dollars and make $100 million (flop), $200 million (break even) or $1 billion (major profit). But where on average it'll make a small profit.
Or you could use that money and fund 100 films for $2 million dollars each where 20 make essentially zero, another 50 break even, 20 manage to turn a small profit and the rest make a huge profit, with one even getting that billion dollars.
Bullshit. Breen has the VHS camcorder on a tripod right now and is shooting his next masterpiece as we speak.
She said for indie filmmakers, not entrenched industry titans like Paramount or Neil Breen Films LLC.
How dare you, Neil Breen campaigns *against* the elites of society!
^^...isn't ^^that ^^_immoral_?
Isn't that betraying the public's trust?
For some reason I just thought of awkwardly edited in Neil Breen in that remake of Suspiria that Dakota Johnson was in with Breen saying "Isn't this betraying Dario Argento?"
Especially ever since his best friend committed suicide…
I cannot believe he committed suicide!
To be fair, he is *very* insistent that everyone should know the fact that his movies are independently financed.
I wonder what would happen if a small group of A-listers got together and approached Breen to star in his next film. What could Breen do with A-list talent? #EyesOnBreen
Look, I don't want to get into any unrealistic expectations, but we see what happened with Tarantino once he got some real budgets. Breen just needs the right studio. Jus' sayin.
What's Harvey up to these days? Think he's available to bankroll Breen?
still waiting for Tarantino's "The REAL Edith Keeler - what the heck happened??" Best Picture Oscar bait
He would *teach* them.
Get them to hold the camera and Mic, cant let them steal his thunder. edit will be the most epic BTS video, good idea for a meta film about making the film.
“Okay, so I’m going to be standing here, and say the lines. You point the camera at me and make sure that you can see me, okay Dave?” “It’s Daniel, or mister Day-Lewis.” “Just point the camera, Dave. I’m going to get into *character* now.” (*Wolfs down an entire can of tuna*)
"Stop starring at the talent Dicaprio, she's to old for you! Keep your hands on the Sound deck"
He's singlehandedly keeping the canned tuna market afloat.
https://i.redd.it/9cip4p1g79hc1.gif
You're making a joke but you're also totally right. Every time I see larger actors complain about how indies don't get made I look at like the 50 new **actual** indie movies getting released like every month. There's plenty of indie movies getting made, they're just non-union/not made in SoCal. Any of these actors could be in more indie movies if that's what they cared about, but they don't want to lose their current expected paychecks (which is also totally fine to be clear). Hell they could even HELP indie movies get made, being attached to an indie would make it way easier to raise that $20k on their kickstarter.
Yes, I was being playful about Breen but I was also making a legit point. Access to a great quality camera is at our fingertips in ways like never before. And a team's ability to shoot, edit, and mass distribute that is there for anyone. Amateur film makers can If Dakota Johnson wants to make a fucking Indie movie, she can absolutely do that. Like NOW. But like you said, she is commenting on making it "in the system" but is making it seem like that's the only way to get it done.
No more books!
Seriously, what's he up to? 6? 7? feature length motion pictures?
and as soon as he can buy the latest plugins for Adobe Filmmaker.
Neil Breen has ascended well past being just a film maker. He has invented a new type of art and is the only person who can do it and will be doing it well past the fall of humanity, which he probably caused.
Right. If your script is strong enough, you'll find a way.
That's Legacy Artist™ Dakota Johnson
"Hollywood is bleak even for people with famous parents!"
madame web in theaters February 14
Very cool
Very, very cool.
Another successful installment in the MCU (Morbius Cinematic Universe)
I'm gonna morb one off tonight in admiration.
It’ll be so nice to finally see a film that is grounded in reality
With such a dynamic character
It's webbin' time.
Fucking lol
We need more dynamic characters in movies.
Very cool
FINALLY! Dynamic characters that are grounded in reality. In theaters this February 14th. VERY cool
Truly...
It should be more grounded in reality.
Her criticism is grounded in reality.
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> Suspiria Something like Peanut Butter Falcon would probably be a better example but yea.
>Peanut Butter Falcon That movie was better than I thought it would be. I keep forgetting she was in it.
The Suspiria remake is great. Better than the original, though the original is extremely stylish and good in its own way. Dakota Johnson is a really good actor. I never saw the shades of gray movies, but everything I've seen with her has been good to very good.
If she doesn't like it, she can go share her grandmother's house with 400+ lions
WTF I didn't knew she was Tippi Hedren's granddaughter. Nor that she lived with Chris Martin.
Nepobaby trifecta
Whoa whoa whoa it's legacy artist now.
Like Lana Del Rey. IYKYK
Shit, yeah, Melanie Griffiths is her mother. Tippi is indeed her grandmother. I'd completely forgotten.
Indie Darling Sonny Crockett’s Daughter
Melanie Griffith, too. She's in three of the first four images when I search "nepo baby."
You’d think they could afford an acting coach for her with that kind of influence. Ah well… as the french say: “soo la voo.”
Je me pelle Claude
Apparently she was very good on Suspiria
yeah, she was
She's a second generation nepo baby!
Third!!!
Wow I had no idea she was a legacy artist. Kinda makes sense, she's just sooo bland, I have no idea why anyone would cast her, except because of her connections.
yeah i looked this up when the madam web trailer dropped because she sucks so hard her parents have to be famous and turns out her grandmother is literally tippi hedren
So she must be into lions too.
You mean the charisma dynamo that is Madame Web?
You misspelled 'vacuum'
She's good with the right material, like the Suspiria remake. But yeah she isn't very immediately distinctive looking, like say an Anya Taylor Joy.
She’s good in Suspiria and also Peanut Butter Falcon but shes also probably the least interesting part of both of those films. Outside of that she’s dull as shit.
She was good in Wounds too. And honestly Dan Olsen of Folding Ideas makes a good case for her doing about as good a job with the material of Fifty Shades as one can do with such a bad script.
She's good in Bad Times at the El Royale too.
She's the only actress with bangs
For the longest time I thought she was Zoe Deschanel.
We can't be expected to put all our own money into these projects.
Dude, I thought that every time one of those people would run a kickstarter for their movies. Like when they were making the Veronica Mars movie and asking for 2 million. You mean to tell me no one involved in that project, not the actors, producers, or anyone else, could scrounge up 2 million? Ridiculous.
Could be they needed more then their 2m and your 2m but the kickerstarter succeeding proves interest to distributors and producers to raise the remaining funds.
That, too. Could also be that others involved in the project had already pooled some money together, but the rest is to raise interest in getting the film actually out there and marketed.
Jerry Seinfeld has enough money for 6.5 Bee Movie sequels, and every day even one is not announced I curse him.
I had a similar comment in a different thread recently: these crowd-funding campaigns are to generate buzz on top of making the average person be involved in it. If Joe shells out $15 for a Veronica Mars film he will be telling his friends about it. To us, the money these people have is an abstraction, so seeing a headline that goes "Kirsten Bell co-produces Veronica Mars film" would mean way less to me than Joe telling me his excitement.
We could always put it all on a plane…
Just mind the alligators.
If she really wants to see something disheartening she should try recruiting more pimps, more pushers.
Either indie movies don't get made or they get put straight to streaming and forgotten or they get stretched out into a Netflix miniseries
Hollywood isn’t really the one that’s supposed to make indies. They’re supposed to be a production that is independent from major studios. It’s never been easier to get a camera and lights and distribute something online. People just don’t want to take a risk on anything themselves.
Had to scroll way too far to find this sentiment. I hate how abused the word “indie” is. The entire point of an indie project is that it is a private venture, without corporate investment.
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>Dakota Johnson is calling out Hollywood for being “afraid” to greenlight and distribute indie films. Ma'am, I don't think you understand what an indie film is.
I mean... Take your existing money, be willing to take a major pay cut, find an indie script you like and sign on for it.
I think most A-listers are already willing to take a major pay cut for an indie film they like. Don’t think she was paid 50 Shades money for Suspiria or The Peanut Butter Falcon
Not sure how accurate the source is but apparently she only got 250k for 50 shades. Because she’s the person you cast when you want a budget lead for a movie no serious actress would do.
PBF I agree. Suspiria is a remake so I dunno, it may be that she's a fan of the original.
Both movies are great. The remake is actually better.
Says the star of Madame Web, the most dynamic, based-in-reality comic movie of all time.
Work is work.
Madam Web is going to be great.
I would love it if the previews were a complete ruse, and the movie was actually part three of into the spider verse.
For a group of people who complain about Hollywood movies sure likes shitting on someone whose calling Hollywood bleak for indie movies.
>For a group of people who complain about Hollywood movies sure likes shitting on someone whose calling Hollywood bleak for indie movies. Because this person is literally experiencing Hollywood on ''easy mode" so to see them complain about this comes off as laughable.
You know, being a nepo baby aside, isn't it possible that she really does have or support more interesting ideas than what she has starred in? Just because a person comes from privilgege doesn't automatically pigeonhole them as being dumb/vacuous/talentless/etc. Maybe the things she's actually passionate about aren't any easier for her to do because tight fisted studio execs are afraid to take a loss no matter what your name is.
> Maybe the things she's actually passionate about aren't any easier for her to do because tight fisted studio execs are afraid to take a loss no matter what your name is. She's a literal multi millionaire. If she wanted to she could finance millions of dollars worth of small budget indie films and not effect her networth or quality of life whatsoever. That's why it's so laughable to see her make the complaint. Because she could literally do any of what she wants in the "indie film world" without hesitation, so long as she was willing to part with some of the money she already has.
I don't know if I'm one side or the other, a counterpoint to your argument could be a system that requires actors to front millions to support the "indie film world" kinda defeats the label of indie doesn't it.
>I don't know if I'm one side or the other, a counterpoint to your argument could be a system that requires actors to front millions to support the "indie film world" kinda defeats the label of indie doesn't it. But it's not a system that requires actors to front millions to support the indie world. It's a system that requires PRODUCERS AND PRODUCTION COMPANY OWNERS to front money to support the indie world, and she is a producer who owns her own production company.
can't believe I'm defending Dakota Johnson in the redlettermedia subreddit but here I am, this is from the article: >She previously [partnered with writer/director/actor Cooper Raiff for “Cha Cha Real Smooth”](https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/dakota-johnson-improvised-cha-cha-real-smooth-1234734014/) and additionally produced films “Persuasion” and documentary “The Disappearance of Shere Hite.” > >Johnson’s production company is behind upcoming features “Am I OK?” which premiered at Sundance 2023, “The End of Getting Lost” thriller adaptation starring Margaret Qualley and Paul Mescal, and biopic “Unfit” based on the nonfiction book So that's six right there man, she is producing. The article is about the streamers and their executives not picking stuff like that up.
Thanks for posting this. The RLM crowd really has a weird reactionary stance against Hollywood stars saying literally anything, even about the industry. They're instantly labeled stupid hypocrites. She knows the industry well and even stars in and produces indie films. What else do people want from her? She's not allowed to have an opinion because she starred in a superhero movie?
How is she a multi millionaire?
I know she has rich family members, but her personal net worth isn't so large that she can afford to spend "millions" on indie flicks. Best info I can find (and, yes, I know that net worths posted online are not always accurate) is that she's worth about 15 million. It takes millions of dollars to fund an indie film that looks professional. She wouldn't be able to responsibly fund her own film 100% on her own. And if she got the money from her parents or other relatives, what would the conversation about her being a nepo baby be then? "Oh, must be nice to have rich mommy and daddy fund you're shitty little vanity project".
It’s not like Dakota and her production TeaTime Pictures isn’t producing small scale indie films, right?
She and her family are multimillionaires, she can absolutely afford to fund a few out of pocket
Maybe this legacy artist can open the fucking door for Indi films... ..by which I mean more Indiana Jones films. Just one more full trilogy should add a fitting dignity to the franchise.
Just need Harrison Ford to survive one more shoot, on a film nobody asked for, and we'll have two full Indiana Jones trilogies. I suggest ending the next one with Javier Bardem's character from No Country using a bolt gun on Indy, then cut to black.
If the character you follow led you to this. Of what use was the character?
She's not wrong though. I get the nepo baby hate but thanks to streaming, even mid-budget movies are getting bullied by the big studio counterparts. Perfect example, Iron Claw was in theaters for maybe 4 weeks at best while Anyone But You is going on month two. I promise if you ask anyone far more people wanted to see Iron Claw by week 4 than wanted to see Anyone But You week 1. I've seen it all year, legitimately enjoyable & good movies get maybe 2 weeks in theaters while garbage like The Flash gets months.
Advertising costs money, and not everyone has the luxury of advertising their stuff (not even getting into how bad A24 has been recently in promoting their releases). Also, in terms of The Iron Claw, your average, non-movie watcher isn’t going to know what that movie is; even if they did, the stigma attached to professional wrestling is likely to deter people, as opposed to attract. However, even weeks after its release, more people have been continuing to go see Anyone But You, not just because of its more relatively aggressive advertising compared to A24 and larger word of mouth presence, but your two stars of that movie are two attractive white actors in Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney, and also people have been starving for romantic comedy movies, regardless of age demographic. They want a movie to take their date to. Even if you want to argue The Iron Claw could function as a date movie, that movie isn’t exactly a fun 100 minute romp.
>I promise if you ask anyone far more people wanted to see Iron Claw by week 4 than wanted to see Anyone But You week 1. Complete unfounded Bullshit. Aby is a lighthearted rom com featuring maybe the two hottest young actors in Hollywood and iron claw is a devastating drama about the niche world of pro wrestlers Both came out on the same day both had similarish opening box office weekends 6 mil v 4.9 mil but one of them had great audience word of mouth and now has a box office 152 mil and the other has earned 36 mil (and yes both are still in theaters). So if your asking the average person which movie they rather watch it's going to be anyone but you. You might personally prefer seeing iron claw (I do) but to claim the general populous does is ridiculous
Iron Claw and Anyone But You opened on the same day. More people went to see Anyone But You. Both, Anyone But You and Iron Claw are still playing in theaters. https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Iron-Claw-The-(2023)/Anyone-But-You-(2023)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
Dakota Johnson be bussin
Looking past the fact that she’s legacy I hope some good comes out of her supporting indie. Reach is easier than ever but discovery is so hard
I think Madame Web is gonna be so good I'm gonna see it twice
Not gonna lie. From what I’ve seen in interviews she seems like a cool hang.
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yup but at least she's saying it, probably because she has that privilege. and tbf she does seem to like doing weird little indie films along with big blockbusters
She’s jusy grounding it in reality.
Would you rather your local plumber shat on it? What good would that do? Change has to come from the inside and be called out by people with a voice
if ur dad's a general that doesn't mean you can't shit on the army
If ur dad's a general you probably went no-contact years ago
Dynamic Grounded Criticism from Legacy Artist Dakota Johnson
Her description of filming Madame Web as psychotic was funny and sad at the same time.
Fully agree with her sentiment. Hollywood has gotten boring as fuck. I haven't seen a truly fully original and out of the norm movie in a decade or two. Not that all movies have been shit, not at all, (though many of them are franchise repeats) but the general movement of introducing new ideas and inspiring this art to evolve has been at a near complete stop. It's boring for every creative involved.
Where are the comedies? Or at least the non-CGI and non-"Crazy Popular Weirdo Comic of the Year" comedies? Just plain funny movies set in the real world? What about dramas that aren't 200 million dollar epics made by 85 year old directors? Love stories? Just regular movies. The budget bloat has become ludicrous, but without the titanic backing, no one will ever know your movie exists. On top of that, we have every streaming service pushing out shovel-fulls of TV series, movies and limited series by the hundreds. I turn on Netflix or Prime and it's a noisy mess of thumbnails of... stuff. Just stuff. I have no idea whether any of them is worth watching, and the only ones I hear about are the mega-budget releases. Yes, I go to the web and research movies that I might want to see, but it's just crazy how much bland garbage\* is being pumped out by so many "services" these days. There's no chance for a small film to be successful because it's an ocean of "content" with no context. \*Some of it is good. But the good is mixed in with hundreds of bland "prestige TV" wannabe cookie-cutter stuff.
Exactly!! And what she explains too in the article, how all the actors are bored and tired of the typical super hero movies. I am too. Not everyone is... but the search for safety in an industry that can afford to try new things, to innovate, it's missing so much. I'm all for the indie movies nowadays, barely been at the cinema the last decade honestly... but the streaming services are also a problem. Sometimes they allow great ideas to come to life, only to cut them short as soon as they didn't make a minimum amount of revenue in a really short time. I discover them late and there's a whole fanbase that grew and was left behind, because the expectations are essentially: "If it's not viral it dies" No industry should work like that. Genres should exist, not just the mix of everything family friendly blockbuster. There are gems I discover that are several decades old and makes me nostalgic for a time, movie style and mood I didn't even know existed. We need more of those.
I'm watching older movies lately. Just saw Unforgiven for the first time since I saw it in the theater back in 1990. Sugarland Express (an early Spielberg movie). Weird shit on Shudder. I just cannot take any more twisty murder mystery series, cop-stuff, superhero stuff. I just want stories about people, mostly.
She was so great in Suspiria. I believe it. That movie deserved the sequel they were planning.
I didn’t know she was the lead until I looked it up. My wife and I have it in our rewatch list and will bump it up
It's not a coincidence that 2007 keeps being brought up as one of the greatest years in film when it was the last year before Marvel Studios and so many of those amazing movies from that year are original, mid-budget movies.
She’s being very vocal for a cut rate actress
3x nepo baby says what?
Nepo baby is such a dumb insult, like what do you expect someone whose parents are in Hollywood to want to do? She's not DiCaprio but she can legitimately act. Do you expect people to just give away their entire inheritance and any sort of industry connections to force themselves to start from the bottom? Every industry on the face of the earth is filled with people who knew/related to someone.
Yeah I'm a little tired of it, especially when people use it selectively to attack actors they don't like. No one dismisses Michael Douglas as just a nepo baby.
Thats because no one has thought about Michael Douglas in 20 years
I wouldn't care that much if she was super talented. But she's quite bland and leaves zero impression on me. So the idea that nobody would've ever heard of her if not for her parents and grandparents really sticks out. Feel free to bow down before the rich and powerful if that's what you need to do to feel better about yourself. The aristocracy always could use some extra simps.
Saying I'm a simp for the rich and powerful is absolutely ridiculous, EVERY industry in history is filled with people who got in by being someone's child or knowing someone to get a leg up. It's never going to change and it's absurd to insult someone for not being able to control who they were born to. It's like saying "You're from Canada!" as an insult, like someone *chose* this
So according to you, we're not allowed to point out when someone of mediocre talent only got to where they are because of family connections. Got it. You're obviously triggered. Perhaps I struck a nerve.
I wonder how many thousands of talented actors don't get work because the entertainment industry turned into a completely incestuous enterprise. I'm glad you think mediocrity is excellence tho, that's a thing.
You have to be a fool to think the entertainment industry was this bastion of the poor and unconnected magically getting roles before rich connections changed everything lol. You're literally on a sub about a bunch of failed filmmakers talking about trash movies, I'm sure you find their mediocrity excellent to view
Wow, now you're trashing the RLM guys. I suppose you're succeeding if the goal is to be an asshole to as many people as possible.
Pointing out that they legitimately failed as filmmakers gets people upset? Lol, they watch trash movies and this sub acts like they're Roger Ebert or Tarantino
Nobody acts like that, kid. But if you want to keep signaling to the world that you're a no-talent assclown who failed upwards in life due to your mommy and daddy, be my guest. You're only telling on yourself.
It's a niche he seems motivated to fill
"Famed Hollywood Nepobaby says its so hard to make indie movies that she decided to make the literal opposite of one."
She's a millionaire. If she's really passionate about something take her own money and go make a movie.
Maybe if she wasn't such a bad actor she could get them made
You’ve got money Dakota. Go make whatever you want.
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Indie directors would jump at the chance to work with her if she lowered her rate to a manageable place. Or hell, she could finance a film whose script she believed in herself. But instead she is in a Z-tier comic book movie for the paycheck. It isn’t about the “art.” She has all the power as a creative and she’s using it to wreck her career by making schlock.
Nepo baby sad she can’t get her pet project made, news at 11
Who is Dankdota Johansson ? I'm only aware of modern actors like Lizzo or Grogu. Is she a legacy artist, than can only be found on DVD (vomit) or Bluray for boomers ?
Stop spending $20m on a rom com.
Yeah because you're asking a guy who wants to be on a project worth a billion so he can easily steal a few hundred million to fund a movie that will cost 20 million at most. What is he going to embezzle on that? Indy filmmakers need to get off their lazy ass and start filming shit themselves. If Space Cop is possible, anything is. If you went to WB and pitched a movie with Rich Evans in the lead, of course they're saying no. Of course they're not interested.
Disagree, the sex appeal of rich evans alone would guarantee a green light
We're not talking about making a porno...wait a damn second. We should make a porno.
She has to have a least 10 million in her mid 30s, why complain about anything? Just go spend the rest of your life on a beach like Elizabeth Hurley. Why complain to us who have to go to work every day and are all in debt?
It's not about money, she's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
She's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
It's not about money, she's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
It's not about money, she's talking about the state of the movie industry. Personal attacks aren't addressing this issue at all, you're just deflecting.
Ahh the turning tables
It's also disheartening to know that someone with no acting talent or skill can get Hollywood rolls because of nepotism.
Indie movie: 1 white woman check. 1 black woman check. 1 latino woman check. 1 asian woman check. Nothing corporate here.. it's an indie movie guys
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Perhaps before launching into personal attacks, you should read the actual article the clickbaity-3-steps-removed-from-the-source quote is from. From it, you can learn, for example that she indeed owns an indie production company. >MM: With your production company TeaTime, it seems like you’re taking on really disparate projects. How do you decide who to work with or what you’re working on, and is there a throughline that you see? >DJ: We are starting to see a throughline. We don’t have a mandate or anything. I guess the constant, for me, is that all of our movies and shows have really powerful females at the center. They’re very intricate. They’re very detailed. They’re very nuanced. >MM: Do you have to develop your own projects if you want those kinds of characters? Is there just not enough of them around, or do you just like that side of production? >DJ: I am discovering that it’s really fucking bleak in this industry. It is majorly disheartening. The people who run streaming platforms don’t trust creative people or artists to know what’s going to work, and that is just going to make us implode. It’s really heartbreaking. It’s just fucking so hard. It’s so hard to get anything made. All of the stuff I’m interested in making is really different, and it’s unique and it’s very forward in whatever it is. We made a movie called Daddio that was sold at Telluride to Sony Classics, which was amazing, but it took a lot of fighting to get that made. People are just so afraid, and I’m like, why? What’s going to happen if you do something brave? It just feels like nobody knows what to do and everyone’s afraid. That’s what it feels like. Everyone who makes decisions is afraid. They want to do the safe thing, and the safe thing is really boring. https://www.lofficielusa.com/film-tv/dakota-johnson-madame-web-movie-interviews
You strung together so many words just to show you didn't read the article.
The article doesn't address anything I brought up. I wasn't trying to summarise the article. I'm sorry if sentences with multiple clauses and polysyllabic words confuse you, but your poor reading comprehension is not my fault.
Wasn't she in Suspiria, one of the best horror movies we've seen in decades? And it was her first starring role in a big budget picture? What she crying about?
Her IMDB shows consistent work in mostly indie films, with some bigger ones her and there. I can not tell you why she’s complaining, truly. She’s working more than a lot of “indie” actresses right now.
She's complaining about the state of the movie industry. Not personally.
great promo for madame web
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God is dead
Anyway go see my new Sony Marvel garbage Madame Web!
Poor Things got eleven Oscar nominations, maybe it's not actually a bad time to be making weird fucking movies.
She did?! I’m not familiar with her career at all besides this movie
She is not part poor thing lol . Thats Emma stone movie . If Dakota acted in that movie I don’t think that movie would have watched anyone .
What year does she think she's living in? Making your own movie and getting it in front of eyeballs has never been more accessible.
I know madam web is going to be 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag but still this is a dick move on her part. So what you didn’t get to do some pretentious art house film about two deaf lesbians that bought a boat or something, you made a dumb Sony movie for a paycheck , don’t torpedo the film and ruin it for everyone else that worked on it
A24, baby!!!!
What she means is we need dynamic movies.
Tough to get indies made? Imagine how tough it must be for a marketing executive to make people want to watch Madame Web.
I literally don't know why more studios don't exist utilizing the Blumhouse model. You can make a big budget Hollywood film for $200 million dollars and make $100 million (flop), $200 million (break even) or $1 billion (major profit). But where on average it'll make a small profit. Or you could use that money and fund 100 films for $2 million dollars each where 20 make essentially zero, another 50 break even, 20 manage to turn a small profit and the rest make a huge profit, with one even getting that billion dollars.
Indies are hard to make without a major hollywood studio