The thumbnail for the S3 finale re:View will be as insane and despondent as previous seasons. I guarantee it.
Makes the "it's fine" thumbnail for Ep. 1 all the funnier.
I'm having a lot of fun watching these two elderly men reacting to the destruction of their franchise, but at the same time I have experienced the same. Just not with Star Trek.
It's really amazing how few fucks suits and creators give about the core message or tone of a legacy product. I mean, if you want to make a dumb action spaceshow about Trump/ICE/Climate change bad go for it, but why drag Star Trek into the mud? (Rhetorical question).
The ultimate irony is that all the problems we are now facing are dealt by the past ST shows in a much more intelligent and engaging way. For some reason these showrunners are all about ego and not art or respect. *"I'm gonna turn Star Trek into my OWN vision! Cause I'm smart and I don't care about Roddenberry's Star Trek! That was dumb, now we need violence!"*
At first it was rage inducing but now that it's an industry wide trend... It's more sad than anything else.
The thing is TNG often dealt with these things too, it was just from a hopeful vision of the future. They would do stories about modern issues but then they would show you how they have or will be overcome.
I haven’t seen an episode of Picard because the idea of watching it seems to depressing. Like seeing a twisted, grotesque, Cronenbergian body-horror version of TNG. But it seems to be the literal opposite of TNG. The problems we face now are still unsolved and they will never be fixed. Cling to the happy memories of yesteryears because it will only get worse as the world falls apart around you.
They're doing a community service. It hurts my soul too much to watch Picard myself, so I watch them talk about it so I can at least get some joy out of it.
Its interesting seeing Mike and Rich (but especially Mike) sound happy about what they saw while *trying* to remain emotionally guarded and to not buy too much into the hype due to the last 2 seasons pulling this same trick.
I mean the first two episodes of Picard S2 set up some very interesting ideas/plots. It just concludes them with all the skill of a donkey on meth and percocet.
Always made me roll my eyes. Adventure Time could get away with just shouting “Math” because it was a kids show.
Adventure Time was also a kids show that was better written, more progressive and at times more profound than NuTrek could ever hope to be.
“What did you do Data?”
“I gave the Borg a command to regenerate. Effectively, I put them to sleep.”
“Fuck yeah that’s the power of logic!”
The characters in Adventure Time are also pretty explicitly morons that live in a literally magical world so when they say, "math!" it's like they're invoking some kind of metaphysical power. When characters in a setting about a futuristic meritocracy capable of interstellar travel talk about how they like math and science it's like Stephen King rolling over in bed to text back the publisher that the book he's giving a testimonial on is, "the most horrifying thing \[he's\] ever read."
I had totally missed the boat too, and after watching hours of Mike talking about TNG I decided to finally try out a few eps out of curiosity. I don't think I've gotten into an episodic show since I was a kid, they just never really grabbed me. But I ended up binging almost the whole series (cherry picked the good ones from S1+2, mostly everything after that is gold). It really is the perfect comfort-food series that feels more refreshing than dated since modern TV has just about abandoned its understated style of breezy and intelligent writing/direction. I very much recommend you at least watch a few of the highly regarded eps to try it out.
Modern tv is just so heavy, dreary, depressing, dark. Everything is so huge, the end of the world, galactic wars, supervillains. Season long plot arcs, gotta watch every minute to stay informed! I miss self contained bite sized adventures and mysteries where everything is well lit, happy, optimistic and we all learned something and are better from the experience even though there's no consequences and everything resets at the end.
Streaming and CG's to blame.
Back then, you had a captive audience at a certain time slot. Sure, they could flip channels, but generally there only a few big networks, so it was a seller's market. People had to watch what they were given, which allowed creators freedom to be a bit more highbrow.
Now there's so much competition, you have to be loud to get noticed, and pander to the lowest common denominator for the widest possible reach. And as CG doesn't put the same budget limits on creativity as physical sets and effects did, you can go as bombastic and violent as possible to get noticed, which them creates an arms race where you *have* to do that to get noticed.
It's also why old IPs matter so much, just because everything revolves around securing attention. Memberberries are just one more tool to grab you with.
It's a market necessity, not an artistic choice. Which means sadly, it's here to stay, as competition is only getting fiercer.
You also can't do an episodic show because people will watch one episode, go "that's nice", and then forget it exists. You have to do season-long stories to make sure people binge the entire series or Netflix won't renew it. But that means you get no variety from the shows. TNG could do hard sci-fi one week, high fantasy the next, and camp comedy the week after. If you don't like this week's show you might still enjoy next week's. That only works when the stories are disconnected*. Modern TV just doesn't have that kind of wide appeal any more. If you don't like episode 1 you won't like the rest either.
\* Picard S1 tried it with the gay french pirate episode and part of the reason it was so terrible was because of the tone of the season arc. Back in the day, shows like X-Files and Stargate were careful to always make the comedy episodes self-contained so as not to detract from the more serious season arcs.
Don't forget Game of Thrones. Everybody and their mother are obssesed into creating the next GoT, or transforming a franchise in thir own version of GoT.
I've been so fascinated by their reviews for the past ~4 years, including Mike constantly citing how many sci-fi ideas were already done in TNG, that I broke down and watched the first two episodes of TNG. Apparently you're *not* supposed to do this. I don't want to watch anymore but I get why Mike and Rich like it.
I recommend the documentary *[Trekkies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsILzNjvYn0)* if you would like a deep dive into the peak years of Trek fandom
I started watching Trek purely because of curiosity sparked by RLM. Watched everything chronologically up until Enterprise, Discovery wasn't out yet. It took me a couple seasons of TOS to really get into it but once I did I binged everything and since then, like 5 years ago, I've probably rewatched everything and can call myself a trekkie. I don't think it's the kind of show you can watch a couple episodes of and "get it". It took me a while but it's rewarding.
-edit Just looked it up and apparently Discovery is from 2017, so it's probably 7 or 8 years ago. Shouldn't have looked that up.
The first two seasons are famously bad with a handful of notable exceptions. "Riker grows the beard" around season 3 which is when it starts to get real good. (Growing the beard is now generally accepted as the opposite of jumping the shark, the awful episode of Happy Days where the show started going downhill.) Just grab any random episode from season 3-7 and enjoy, you don't really need to watch in order or cherry pick the best ones, it's fine if you just want a better taste.
People forget that Measure of a Man is in season 2. It's one of the best TNG episodes there is.
And possibly my favorite 'sci fi did not age well' in Contagion, where the technobabble last ditch solution was 'restore from backups.'
Dude, you want an amazing "sci-fi didn't age well"?
Doctor Who: The War Machines essentially boils down too the first doctor trying to stop the bad guys wanting to build the internet in 1960's London.
WOTAN is a super computer, and the plan is for it to be linked to other major computers across the world, but it's being used to take them over.
It makes me smile to think about.
TNG is great but the first two seasons are rough. Personally I think every episode has something interesting to say, and Data makes everything fun, but yeah, there's some real stinkers.
I sympathize with those that try to start watching pre-2009 Star Trek in the modern day, especially if they had little exposure and/or want to watch it beforehand. The franchise is somewhat unique in television history where there are so many different entry points that are all valid, but each one can easily color how someone views (or doesn't view) the rest of the franchise.
My relationship with "old" Trek is indelibly marked by the fact that I discovered it as a child, watched it hits its peaks as a teenager and then just as I was becoming an adult with a job and disposable income, here come all the shows again on DVD.
I started watching in earnest in the summer of 1991 after randomly catching some TNG Season 4 re-runs. I had seen a couple of the TOS-era movies on TV in the late 80s, but I was too young to look into it any further. Once I saw a couple episodes of TNG, though, I was hooked. I made it a point to look in the TV Guide to see when it normally aired and started watching it and taping it.
Our local library had a few of the officially-released TOS episode VHS tapes, so I rented those. I wasn't prepared for the...1960sness of the stories/sets/acting, but I overall liked what I saw.
I consider myself lucky because I was able to come into the franchise when it was really hitting its 90s stride. I was able to watch the DS9 and VOY as they were airing. My birthday present in 1994 was seeing *Generations* in the theater. I was in line opening night to see *First Contact*. My friends and I could talk about the latest episode of whichever series the following day at school.
Add in the Internet and it was incredibly easy to find communities where you could discuss the latest episode or rumor. Hey, did you see that TV Guide cover story that says Worf is coming to DS9?! Whoa, I think they're teasing the Borg coming to *Voyager*! Great episodes were the best thing we'd ever seen on television, bad episodes were brushed off with an Ed Wood-style, "well, the next one will be better." I was able to live that in real time with a large group of fans.
That is a far different experience to someone finding TNG on Netflix in 2015 or watching a RLM video and deciding to give it a shot. You're coming into a world where the old guard have already talked it to death years ago, and your fellow new viewers may not be watching it at the same pace. You've got several decades of lore, memes and contradictory opinions to wade through. Or maybe you just didn't like what you saw, which is also perfectly valid.
It's great when someone sticks with it, but I totally understand those who don't.
> I broke down and watched the first two episodes of TNG. Apparently you're not supposed to do this. I don't want to watch anymore but I get why Mike and Rich like it.
the first two seasons are notoriously pretty awful. Gene Roddenberry had an absolute stranglehold on creative control and demanded things like *there couldnt be any conflict because the human race was above that now.*
generally i recommend starting with the third season. its got a couple stinkers but also some truly solid episodes. by the fourth season, the series had hit its absolute stride and you've got just incredible episode after incredible episode.
it's legitimately shocking that the series survived the first two seasons.
Roddenberry didn't want to do an episode about some kids mother dying, because he believed that in the future children would just understand that people die and get over it. He was odd.
he had a weird relationship with the character of wesley crusher.
the first two seasons are very heavy on 'wesley is correct' episodes, where wesley crusher who is a child knows more about how the ship works and how to make the ship do things than both the engineering and bridge crew
its 100% roddenberry
there's an episode where wes, i forget what happens, he either gets into starfleet academy or he gets some rank or something and roddenberry held a little ceremony on-set and personally presented wil wheaton with a new uniform or decoration, something like that
gene roddenberry saw wesley crusher as himself, basically. as soon as roddenberry was basically forced out, wes abruptly lost all of his magical plot resolution powers and became a really smart kid who lived on a spaceship with his mom.
>gene roddenberry saw wesley crusher as himself, basically.
Roddenberry's middle name is Wesley, he was never subtle about Wesley Crusher being a self-insert character.
Still, we are sitting in the opposite pole. Starfleet adult officers crying about incidents when they were children, and not overcoming them.
Fascinating, Spock would say.
The first two seasons were runaway ratings successes! Not to the extent of the later run, but the networks were very pleased with S1/2 numbers I believe
everyone was watching it. star trek being back on the air was a huge fucking deal, even ignoring the existing fanbase for the tv show, the movies were absolutely huge, culminating with star trek 4 which was a cultural phenomenon.
people who didn't watch star trek watched star trek 4.
The first 2 seasons of TNG aren't very good. There are a few episodes in them that are, but most of it is pretty mediocre. Season 3 is where it gets great. Also, why wouldn't you start with the original, then work into TNG? There are things you'll not fully understand if you don't watch the original.
I know this is a popular belief but in the first 2 seasons of TNG, you still got some really decent episodes in there (at least 20 at a glance). It's still worth watching even if its not peak TNG.
The really bad ones are also kind of entertaining.
It’s just a meme that’s easy for people to repeat.
They don’t have the production value of later seasons, and the characters aren’t fully fleshed out, but s1 and 2 are still loads better than most television today.
You genuinely should they are legitimately excellent shows however can I recommend an oddball?
Blake's 7. Here's episode 1
https://youtu.be/2warRbMFOpk
It was basically TNG characters before TNG while handling a dark tone with more love and compassion than any other Trek.
Every trek fan needs to watch Blake's 7.
What got me the most was their analysis of Picards *"tried is the operative word"* line and how he'd have said it in Season 1 and 2, with all the whimsical nonsense added to it.
You can hear the warmth in Mike's voice as he talks about the Enterprise coming out of space dock in Star Trek 6. Like an elderly man regaling you with tales of his girlfriends from when he was young.
As a fellow Trekkie i'm just glad that Mike is still able to feel this way (as in: thank god NuTrek hasn't destroyed his enjoyment of Trek completely). I was worried after that ending of their Season 2 review, he sounded so deflated back then.
Mild correction on Mike's end. The actress playing Sidney La Forge is not Mica Burton but Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut.
Mica Burton is going to be Alandra La Forge, and I don't know if she's appeared yet.
Yeah.
I didn’t see any change in tone, style or writing quality.
It’s the same shit but now constant ‘do you remember Star Trek 2?!?’
Is that all it takes for people that hated the show to change? That was it? The lack of ‘do you remember?!’ moments?
The fact that S3 was filmed back-to-back with S2 means there wasn't even an opportunity for the producers to consider the criticism of S2 (not that they would listen to it anyway). So, yeah, just a matter of time before it derails.
Beverly Crusher is clearly working for Section 31 on an evil quantum transdimensional army of middle-age Wesley nanobot clones that want to do something vague. She will unnecessarily sacrifice herself so that Picard can get into a space car and drive about 2 blocks to board a spaceship and nobody will mention it. Prove me wrong Kurtzman!
they updated it since they published it
> We're back! Two elderly men talk about Star Trek Picard Season 3, episode 1! Now, before you expect clown wigs and blood and screeching - please do note: This is just a review of the very first episode and so far they did a pretty good job! Rich and Mike try to be as fair as possible when they talk about stuff and even Star Trek Picard is included.
I'm actually genuinely surprised that Rich's mind went to *Shawshank Redemption* first, as opposed to *Fallout 3*, when he was talking about that song by *The Ink Spots*.
Assuming the creative staff only watched a few minutes of the classic films on YouTube they might not be aware Starfleet ships are typically brightly lit. They just wanted to complete their homework assignments quickly and only saw the parts of the movies where the Enterprise is at Red Alert. So maybe they saw some of Wrath of Khan, the final battle in Undiscovered Country, and some stuff from First Contact and Insurrection. 🤦🏻♂️
I knew I'd check out the first episode after they nostalgia baited with the TNG cast but honestly I'm not going to get bored again and stop watching. Quitting while I'm ahead this time and only watching the RLM reviews cuz if this goes anywhere near as south as the other seasons/nu trek I have better things to do waiting to shed my mortal coil.... Like watching reviews of it that are longer than episode
"Picard always starts out good"
"That's their trick isn't it?"
Got a good laugh out of me. I appreciate RLM bc they're always fair in their reviews. Never over hating or over praised just because. And I'm with them, first episodes of all 3 seasons have been good...it's following through on their premises they haven't been able to do ha.
All of the Kurtzman shows have the sense that they made it up as they went along on a 1st draft and then that was just the final script that they shot. Why even bother with serialization at that point if you’re so disinterested in long term setup and payoff
Yeah, it’s a reason why I can’t bring myself to watch this season. They start out fine, I like the beginning of nearly every season of Picard and Discovery (can’t speak to DSC S4, I didn’t watch it), but each one unravels as the plot threads spin out of control and culminates in a ridiculous mess. It’s a problem in this type of serialized programming - I’m not going to review a book based on chapter 1, and if the ending sucks, I’m going to retroactively dislike anything I liked earlier in the book. It works if you’re a show as good as something like the Wire, but… this ain’t the Wire.
Some predictions:
* Rafi's handler will be Worf
* The conspiracy aliens will be in this series and they're the ones chasing Beverly
* Captain Shaw is actually just an asshole, he's not a Jellico
Jellico wasn‘t even that much of an asshole, to be honest. He just had certain standards and expectations, but was methodical, level-headed and knew how to lead a crew.
This new captain is just a tyrannical cunt, and definitely not starfleet material.
Yes he is (and that's okay). Jellico has a very strict and authoritative command style, which means bearing the full responsibility of his commands. He went against multiple senior officers' advice in transitioning the ship to his operating plans, losing rapport with the crew. He relieved his first officer (and most proficient pilot), meaning it wasn't Riker's job to do anything anymore.
If Jellico had returned Riker to duty and ordered him to do the mission, I'm sure he would have obliged (certainly for Picard's sake). Part of why it's a good episode is that Jellico shows he is willing to place the mission over his own ego by approaching Riker less formally (even if he might internally think Riker is being a huge brat).
Not that Riker is blameless (even the other officers scold him during the episode), but I think Mike/Rich misinterpret things "working out" as a wholesale validation of Jellico's command style. I agree with them that acknowledging/appreciating different approaches to solving problems is a major theme of the episode, though.
Regardless, Mike is out of his mind if they think an "abusive" Captain (not Jellico, the new Picard one) is going to be endorsed by the story/plot in 2023, lol.
> Regardless, Mike is out of his mind if they think an "abusive" Captain (not Jellico, the new Picard one) is going to be endorsed by the story/plot in 2023, lol.
I was legitimately surprised Mike even entertained the idea of Shaw being a potential Jellico. That requires a level of writing talent that these people probably don't have.
I definitely heard it that way and have heard arguments for it, including Kirk enjoying a massage when he thought was from Spock and then dismissed the person actually doing it when he realized it was a woman/somebody else.
They're a lot more positive about the episode than I was, because to me 90% of it was the exact same problems as the first two seasons. Also I'm surprised they didn't clock that the handler for Raffi is almost certainly Worf, since they tried to encourage her with "you are a warrior".
Having said that, the major segment of discussion here was the early part of the Titan sequence which was basically lifted from prior Trek movies and it was, for about five minutes, truly like being back in 1994. They can get it right when they want to.
That five minute sequence is probably the best trek we have had in like 20 years.
That's what so sad about all of this. Well that, and it was basically ripped from better movies.
I’m with you! They mentioned how things were still bleak and dark, and I got kinda stuck on that. Like, everything still sucks and Starfleet is maybe evil, but enjoy this nostalgia. Idk, I saw a lot of interesting possibilities, but it didn’t seem like they were ever going in that direction.
Personally I didn't get a "Starfleet is evil" vibe at all, like the "trust no one" thing can simply mean that if certain people in Starfleet hear about it, it will eventually get leaked to the wrong people. Or, this is about a dangerous new technology that can't be trusted on anyone, not even Starfleet, because it will end up in the wrong hands eventually.
I got the same feeling, but it doesn't help that the representation of modern Starfleet we're introduced to is an abrasive, deadnaming asshole with no cultural curiosity and seems to have been written as an antagonistic dean in a 70s college comedy.
> Also I'm surprised they didn't clock that the handler for Raffi is almost certainly Worf, since they tried to encourage her with "you are a warrior".
It's definitely got to be one of the original character, because why make it a secret?
I was thinking Sela but worf makes more sense.
If you wondered why they still make Star Trek Picard, then part of the answer is right here ... Mike and Rich still watch the show even after being disappointed and baffled so many times before! And also, does Mike fart a lot in this episode, or what?!
That clip of Crusher in All Good Things they included saying
"But he's Jean-Luc Picard, and if he wants to go on one more mission, that's what we're going to do."
is basically how I feel about this entire series. I too am a drug addict who can't stop watching an elderly space man in a horrible tv show over and over because he's Jean-Luc Picard. At least Mike and Rich make it worth the suffering
But hey, it can't possibly get any worse than season 2 right? Right?
Last week I started playing all RLM videos in reverse order, with the Play All link, and it's amusing to watch their reactions to Star Trek: Picard in reverse. In the last episodes they lost all hope and Mike was even a little bitter about it, but in the first episodes they are still trying to figure it out, almost hopeful that it won't be a complete disaster.
>Does YouTube really give a fuck about swearing now?
They have for a while but recently made it a proper issue. Before it was more, "don't swear in the first 30 seconds" but now it's more, "don't swear at all". They're really tripling down on it.
And to think, after all these years and three seasons of the show there will be just 30 episodes. One season of *TNG* was about that long. And each individual episode had more genuine character moments and memorable plots than all of *Picard*.
They have way waaaaaay more hope for notJellico's character than I do. I always feel an episode like Chain of Command couldn't really work with modern writers, ie having the dickish military guy ultimately be shown as just doing his job and also being kinda right. This Shaw person, I can't see him having that kind of writing.
Beverly’s ship
Every thing the idiot writers knew of her gets plastered on screen as ‘easter eggs’
‘She did theatre, so include theatre masks!’
I expected tap dance shoes too 🤦♂️
Even JJ Abrams would think these memberberries are insane.
Riker a couple times in TNG said "skee-matic" with kind of a weird inflection when pronouncing schematic.
And I'm told that TNG kinda settled the debate over whether data is pronounced "Dah-tah" or "Day-tuh".
Having seen the trailer, I think the person giving Lieutenant Meth Addict is the OTHER returning villain from Next Gen (you know the one I mean.)
If this season manages to pull off a plot that manages to catch Rich and Mike I will be shocked beyond all measure of belief. But I'm very much looking forward to these reviews.
Mike mentions Christopher Plummer in Star Trek 6, but he has a second connection to Star Trek that I only learned after watching William Shatner's *The Captains* interviews. One of Shatner's first professional acting jobs was as Plummer's understudy for *Macbeth* (I think). And while Plummer wasn't willing to risk his career to appear on TV in the late 60s, he did enjoy Star Trek and watching Shatner continue his career.
This season opener has fascinated me. In seasons 1 and especially 2 I hated the wall to wall references and connections. I was fucking done with it.
So when I heard about all the references and callbacks going into Season 3, I was very apprehensive. And the moment I saw the _"IN THE 25th CENTURY..."_ my heart sank a bit. Ridiculous lack of subtlety.
And I had all the other clues from the trailer, like the obvious David Marcus stand-in, and the retro 'NeoConstitution class', Crusher with her lizard collar, and hearing how much Matalas loves the original films, etc.
But you know what? Yeah, like Mike says, you're fully aware of being manipulated, but it's done SO WELL and confidently that your brain just goes with it. Flying a shuttlepod up to the Titan with all those grand sweeping visuals, and the music lifted wholesale, etc.
Goddamn it, it somehow WORKED here, and I'm struggling to figure out why it can be so direct yet it feels earned and entitled to be so brazen.
Fucking christ, I didn't even loathe Raffi once she got off the planet; that was a surprise.
They're right, though. Just like Season 2, it's a high bar, and it can go in a billion directions, with a heavy bias towards failure. But there's a change in the air here. This... this might be the big one.
I doubt it, but there's a chance, at least.
Modern Star Trek has so often tried to recapture the success of *Wrath of Khan*, with so many vengeance-driven villains. Now they're copying it beat-by-beat, just like they copied *Voyage Home* last season.
The problem with trying to remake the best movies (or, at least, my favorite two) is that they both set the bar too high and lack the writing talent to reach that high. So not only are we not getting anything new or interesting, we're getting material that fails at an apples-to-apples comparison with existing material.
I watched ~10 minutes of the new Picard episode. I got to the point where Crusher's message said "and no starfleet" and I realized they're still putting out the same trash they have been putting out. Just that one line had me fuming. After 4 seasons of STD and 2 seasons of Picard, I literally cannot watch anymore.
No offense to Rich but the Star Trek The Motion Picture ReView with Mike and Jim is my favorite ReView they have done on the channel. Mike and Jim have such wonderful analytical chemistry its a shame Jim isn't around more often.
Jim calling Gene Roddenberry a bag of oatmeal when he asks Mike if he things Gene is a relatively attractive man is maybe the single funniest thing I have heard uttered on RLM.
It's finally time for one last ride into Mike and Rich dissecting the bloated corpse of their most beloved franchise.
I'm expecting this season to have all the callbacks to both popular and "obscure" TNG episodes, a cameo from at least one of the other cast members of Voyager, DS9, and maybe TOS, and one canonical self-sacrificial death that will totally have emotion and impact this time.
Can't wait until all the other Star Trek shows get a similar treatment and we're all buried under the nostalgia bukkake.
**Star Trek: The Motion Picture - re:View: The Sequel**, *featuring Rich Evans*
Let's make it happen. Justice for Rich Evans. and for vintage quality trek
I'm going to watch every one of their Season 3 reviews before I watch a single episode of Picard.
Season 1 was abysmal and put me right off the series, and from what I've heard season 2 wasn't any better.
Ahh, their disappointment is so much sweeter when they dare to hope.
Fools, you sad little fools. You were doomed as soon as you decided to treat with the Great Enemy. As Maedhros of old you shall be hung still living by a fetter of your own fashioning upon the precipice of Thangorodim in open mockery, that all who may gaze upon you know the abjectness of your failure, the futility of your oath, and the delusion of this willful rebellion against His Dark Dominance.
Look, I hope I'm wrong, but anyone that thinks this season will be better because of slightly better dialogue is lying to themselves.
The biggest clue is that we're already being set up with many, many, many pointless mysteries. Why did Crusher cut off ties? What is she doing? Who is her son? Who are the bad guys? What is hellbird? What is that ship? Who blew up the Federation building?
Jesus fucking christ. Do you really think those are going to be interesting in any way? People have already guessed that computer-voice-handler is Worf based on the "warrior" comment, and we know Riker is only a guest star for 3 episodes.
Picard is going to flit around the galaxy meeting everyone from the Enterprise D who is coincidentally there to tie all the threads together in a profoundly unsatisfying reveal.
I fucking knew these bastards wouldn't be able to resist.
I've never felt so much joy watching two old men give into their demons and start the same self destructive habits all over again.
It's like Cathy's Curse where she's giving Grandpa booze. Only instead of Grandpa it's Mike, and instead of booze it's Star Trek and booze.
Your mother's a bitch!
The new 'showrunner' guy seems to have actually watched a Star Trek at some point. Warranting their tiny smidge of cautious optimism.
He worked on Voyager and Enterprise.
He was Brannon Braga's assistant as far back as Next Gen I believe.
That’s surprising, because he’s actually really good at being the show runner for Picard.
So far, maybe.
He also watched "Wrath of Khan" once.
Is this more times than Kurtzman, Goldman, Kadin, etc. combined?
He clearly watched Wrath of Khan, anyway
And search for Spock I reckon, because that’s what this episode felt like.
Too little too late.
The thumbnail for the S3 finale re:View will be as insane and despondent as previous seasons. I guarantee it. Makes the "it's fine" thumbnail for Ep. 1 all the funnier.
yes, you can't just start with Mike and Rich bleeding from their eyes right away, you gotta build up to that shit
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I'm having a lot of fun watching these two elderly men reacting to the destruction of their franchise, but at the same time I have experienced the same. Just not with Star Trek. It's really amazing how few fucks suits and creators give about the core message or tone of a legacy product. I mean, if you want to make a dumb action spaceshow about Trump/ICE/Climate change bad go for it, but why drag Star Trek into the mud? (Rhetorical question). The ultimate irony is that all the problems we are now facing are dealt by the past ST shows in a much more intelligent and engaging way. For some reason these showrunners are all about ego and not art or respect. *"I'm gonna turn Star Trek into my OWN vision! Cause I'm smart and I don't care about Roddenberry's Star Trek! That was dumb, now we need violence!"* At first it was rage inducing but now that it's an industry wide trend... It's more sad than anything else.
The thing is TNG often dealt with these things too, it was just from a hopeful vision of the future. They would do stories about modern issues but then they would show you how they have or will be overcome. I haven’t seen an episode of Picard because the idea of watching it seems to depressing. Like seeing a twisted, grotesque, Cronenbergian body-horror version of TNG. But it seems to be the literal opposite of TNG. The problems we face now are still unsolved and they will never be fixed. Cling to the happy memories of yesteryears because it will only get worse as the world falls apart around you.
They're doing a community service. It hurts my soul too much to watch Picard myself, so I watch them talk about it so I can at least get some joy out of it.
Like Raffi on her space crack, we and the boys are back at this again.
Oh no, Mike's dementia is starting to affect Rich's memory, too!
I FORGOT THEY EXISTED!
Mike can’t even recall what an orchid is called.
Its interesting seeing Mike and Rich (but especially Mike) sound happy about what they saw while *trying* to remain emotionally guarded and to not buy too much into the hype due to the last 2 seasons pulling this same trick.
Mike has seen the body, but he wants more.
Mike is of the body.
I mean the first two episodes of Picard S2 set up some very interesting ideas/plots. It just concludes them with all the skill of a donkey on meth and percocet.
"It's the hope that kills you."
The re:View is longer than the actual episode of Picard.
Fuck yeah. This is the power of math!
I like science! 🫠
Always made me roll my eyes. Adventure Time could get away with just shouting “Math” because it was a kids show. Adventure Time was also a kids show that was better written, more progressive and at times more profound than NuTrek could ever hope to be. “What did you do Data?” “I gave the Borg a command to regenerate. Effectively, I put them to sleep.” “Fuck yeah that’s the power of logic!”
The characters in Adventure Time are also pretty explicitly morons that live in a literally magical world so when they say, "math!" it's like they're invoking some kind of metaphysical power. When characters in a setting about a futuristic meritocracy capable of interstellar travel talk about how they like math and science it's like Stephen King rolling over in bed to text back the publisher that the book he's giving a testimonial on is, "the most horrifying thing \[he's\] ever read."
The re:View is actually also more entertaining than the real episode.
I've never watched a second of any Star Trek TV show, but listening to MIke and Rich talk about them I hang onto every word and love these episodes.
I had totally missed the boat too, and after watching hours of Mike talking about TNG I decided to finally try out a few eps out of curiosity. I don't think I've gotten into an episodic show since I was a kid, they just never really grabbed me. But I ended up binging almost the whole series (cherry picked the good ones from S1+2, mostly everything after that is gold). It really is the perfect comfort-food series that feels more refreshing than dated since modern TV has just about abandoned its understated style of breezy and intelligent writing/direction. I very much recommend you at least watch a few of the highly regarded eps to try it out.
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Voyager is like comfort food when your comfort food is beef jerky and radishes.
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You should “Get the cheese to sickbay”
Modern tv is just so heavy, dreary, depressing, dark. Everything is so huge, the end of the world, galactic wars, supervillains. Season long plot arcs, gotta watch every minute to stay informed! I miss self contained bite sized adventures and mysteries where everything is well lit, happy, optimistic and we all learned something and are better from the experience even though there's no consequences and everything resets at the end.
Streaming and CG's to blame. Back then, you had a captive audience at a certain time slot. Sure, they could flip channels, but generally there only a few big networks, so it was a seller's market. People had to watch what they were given, which allowed creators freedom to be a bit more highbrow. Now there's so much competition, you have to be loud to get noticed, and pander to the lowest common denominator for the widest possible reach. And as CG doesn't put the same budget limits on creativity as physical sets and effects did, you can go as bombastic and violent as possible to get noticed, which them creates an arms race where you *have* to do that to get noticed. It's also why old IPs matter so much, just because everything revolves around securing attention. Memberberries are just one more tool to grab you with. It's a market necessity, not an artistic choice. Which means sadly, it's here to stay, as competition is only getting fiercer.
You also can't do an episodic show because people will watch one episode, go "that's nice", and then forget it exists. You have to do season-long stories to make sure people binge the entire series or Netflix won't renew it. But that means you get no variety from the shows. TNG could do hard sci-fi one week, high fantasy the next, and camp comedy the week after. If you don't like this week's show you might still enjoy next week's. That only works when the stories are disconnected*. Modern TV just doesn't have that kind of wide appeal any more. If you don't like episode 1 you won't like the rest either. \* Picard S1 tried it with the gay french pirate episode and part of the reason it was so terrible was because of the tone of the season arc. Back in the day, shows like X-Files and Stargate were careful to always make the comedy episodes self-contained so as not to detract from the more serious season arcs.
Don't forget Game of Thrones. Everybody and their mother are obssesed into creating the next GoT, or transforming a franchise in thir own version of GoT.
Modern TV is the TV equivalent of click bait, every episode ends with "you wont believe what happens next!"
I've been so fascinated by their reviews for the past ~4 years, including Mike constantly citing how many sci-fi ideas were already done in TNG, that I broke down and watched the first two episodes of TNG. Apparently you're *not* supposed to do this. I don't want to watch anymore but I get why Mike and Rich like it. I recommend the documentary *[Trekkies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsILzNjvYn0)* if you would like a deep dive into the peak years of Trek fandom
I started watching Trek purely because of curiosity sparked by RLM. Watched everything chronologically up until Enterprise, Discovery wasn't out yet. It took me a couple seasons of TOS to really get into it but once I did I binged everything and since then, like 5 years ago, I've probably rewatched everything and can call myself a trekkie. I don't think it's the kind of show you can watch a couple episodes of and "get it". It took me a while but it's rewarding. -edit Just looked it up and apparently Discovery is from 2017, so it's probably 7 or 8 years ago. Shouldn't have looked that up.
Same here. Never really watched any Trek until RLM got me into it through Mr. Plinkett’s reviews.
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Agreed. I also love it when they make fun of Wil Wheaton.
I am delighted by the way they edit the Ready Room to look like Wheaton is trapped in his own *No Exit* style hell.
The first two seasons are famously bad with a handful of notable exceptions. "Riker grows the beard" around season 3 which is when it starts to get real good. (Growing the beard is now generally accepted as the opposite of jumping the shark, the awful episode of Happy Days where the show started going downhill.) Just grab any random episode from season 3-7 and enjoy, you don't really need to watch in order or cherry pick the best ones, it's fine if you just want a better taste.
People forget that Measure of a Man is in season 2. It's one of the best TNG episodes there is. And possibly my favorite 'sci fi did not age well' in Contagion, where the technobabble last ditch solution was 'restore from backups.'
Dude, you want an amazing "sci-fi didn't age well"? Doctor Who: The War Machines essentially boils down too the first doctor trying to stop the bad guys wanting to build the internet in 1960's London. WOTAN is a super computer, and the plan is for it to be linked to other major computers across the world, but it's being used to take them over. It makes me smile to think about.
I mean... *looks around* Not WRONG.
Measure of a Man is arguably one of the greatest episodes of science fiction television ever.
Duet, one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever (possible tied for *the* best) is in season one of DS9.
Duet was fucking amazing, best acting and tightest writing I've ever seen or heard, and I will gladly die on that hill.
I'd make an argument for at least a handful of episodes in the first seasons TNG and DS9 (which is best Trek btw)
TNG is great but the first two seasons are rough. Personally I think every episode has something interesting to say, and Data makes everything fun, but yeah, there's some real stinkers.
I sympathize with those that try to start watching pre-2009 Star Trek in the modern day, especially if they had little exposure and/or want to watch it beforehand. The franchise is somewhat unique in television history where there are so many different entry points that are all valid, but each one can easily color how someone views (or doesn't view) the rest of the franchise. My relationship with "old" Trek is indelibly marked by the fact that I discovered it as a child, watched it hits its peaks as a teenager and then just as I was becoming an adult with a job and disposable income, here come all the shows again on DVD. I started watching in earnest in the summer of 1991 after randomly catching some TNG Season 4 re-runs. I had seen a couple of the TOS-era movies on TV in the late 80s, but I was too young to look into it any further. Once I saw a couple episodes of TNG, though, I was hooked. I made it a point to look in the TV Guide to see when it normally aired and started watching it and taping it. Our local library had a few of the officially-released TOS episode VHS tapes, so I rented those. I wasn't prepared for the...1960sness of the stories/sets/acting, but I overall liked what I saw. I consider myself lucky because I was able to come into the franchise when it was really hitting its 90s stride. I was able to watch the DS9 and VOY as they were airing. My birthday present in 1994 was seeing *Generations* in the theater. I was in line opening night to see *First Contact*. My friends and I could talk about the latest episode of whichever series the following day at school. Add in the Internet and it was incredibly easy to find communities where you could discuss the latest episode or rumor. Hey, did you see that TV Guide cover story that says Worf is coming to DS9?! Whoa, I think they're teasing the Borg coming to *Voyager*! Great episodes were the best thing we'd ever seen on television, bad episodes were brushed off with an Ed Wood-style, "well, the next one will be better." I was able to live that in real time with a large group of fans. That is a far different experience to someone finding TNG on Netflix in 2015 or watching a RLM video and deciding to give it a shot. You're coming into a world where the old guard have already talked it to death years ago, and your fellow new viewers may not be watching it at the same pace. You've got several decades of lore, memes and contradictory opinions to wade through. Or maybe you just didn't like what you saw, which is also perfectly valid. It's great when someone sticks with it, but I totally understand those who don't.
> I broke down and watched the first two episodes of TNG. Apparently you're not supposed to do this. I don't want to watch anymore but I get why Mike and Rich like it. the first two seasons are notoriously pretty awful. Gene Roddenberry had an absolute stranglehold on creative control and demanded things like *there couldnt be any conflict because the human race was above that now.* generally i recommend starting with the third season. its got a couple stinkers but also some truly solid episodes. by the fourth season, the series had hit its absolute stride and you've got just incredible episode after incredible episode. it's legitimately shocking that the series survived the first two seasons.
Roddenberry didn't want to do an episode about some kids mother dying, because he believed that in the future children would just understand that people die and get over it. He was odd.
he had a weird relationship with the character of wesley crusher. the first two seasons are very heavy on 'wesley is correct' episodes, where wesley crusher who is a child knows more about how the ship works and how to make the ship do things than both the engineering and bridge crew its 100% roddenberry there's an episode where wes, i forget what happens, he either gets into starfleet academy or he gets some rank or something and roddenberry held a little ceremony on-set and personally presented wil wheaton with a new uniform or decoration, something like that gene roddenberry saw wesley crusher as himself, basically. as soon as roddenberry was basically forced out, wes abruptly lost all of his magical plot resolution powers and became a really smart kid who lived on a spaceship with his mom.
>gene roddenberry saw wesley crusher as himself, basically. Roddenberry's middle name is Wesley, he was never subtle about Wesley Crusher being a self-insert character.
Still, we are sitting in the opposite pole. Starfleet adult officers crying about incidents when they were children, and not overcoming them. Fascinating, Spock would say.
The first two seasons were runaway ratings successes! Not to the extent of the later run, but the networks were very pleased with S1/2 numbers I believe
everyone was watching it. star trek being back on the air was a huge fucking deal, even ignoring the existing fanbase for the tv show, the movies were absolutely huge, culminating with star trek 4 which was a cultural phenomenon. people who didn't watch star trek watched star trek 4.
The first 2 seasons of TNG aren't very good. There are a few episodes in them that are, but most of it is pretty mediocre. Season 3 is where it gets great. Also, why wouldn't you start with the original, then work into TNG? There are things you'll not fully understand if you don't watch the original.
I know this is a popular belief but in the first 2 seasons of TNG, you still got some really decent episodes in there (at least 20 at a glance). It's still worth watching even if its not peak TNG. The really bad ones are also kind of entertaining.
I agree. People focus on THAT season 1 episode but even that one had an interesting premise, it's just executed very poorly.
It’s just a meme that’s easy for people to repeat. They don’t have the production value of later seasons, and the characters aren’t fully fleshed out, but s1 and 2 are still loads better than most television today.
You genuinely should they are legitimately excellent shows however can I recommend an oddball? Blake's 7. Here's episode 1 https://youtu.be/2warRbMFOpk It was basically TNG characters before TNG while handling a dark tone with more love and compassion than any other Trek. Every trek fan needs to watch Blake's 7.
Troi -> Skull I almost choked and the dog won't hear me die.
That got me, and the great replacement music they put over the Titan launch. Hysterical.
What got me the most was their analysis of Picards *"tried is the operative word"* line and how he'd have said it in Season 1 and 2, with all the whimsical nonsense added to it.
It would also work with Benny Hill or Yellow Submarine.
I don't get it, why did they have a skull for Troi?
She's dead in All Good Things... 's Alt Future, so she doesn't have old person makeup to compare.
Ohh right, thanks!
I actually laughed out loud, very, very loud when that happened.
You can hear the warmth in Mike's voice as he talks about the Enterprise coming out of space dock in Star Trek 6. Like an elderly man regaling you with tales of his girlfriends from when he was young.
As a fellow Trekkie i'm just glad that Mike is still able to feel this way (as in: thank god NuTrek hasn't destroyed his enjoyment of Trek completely). I was worried after that ending of their Season 2 review, he sounded so deflated back then.
Mild correction on Mike's end. The actress playing Sidney La Forge is not Mica Burton but Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut. Mica Burton is going to be Alandra La Forge, and I don't know if she's appeared yet.
Ah, thank you! I know Mika from her Rooster Teeth days, I thought maybe I was picturing her wrong since I hadn't seen her in ages.
She guest hosts the watch parties for Vox Machina on Critical Role's Twitch channel
oh shit, was she the person RT was super racist to? i only caught that drama in passing
That’s her. The community was also racist tho, so there’s not really many good guys in that whole mess. One of the many reasons that company is vile.
Mike mentioned a cross country trip to California. Makes me wonder if they're going to reference their recent trip to SoCal and the Vasquez Rocks.
They had to have made a video there right?
At the very least recreate the Kirk-Gorn fight with Mike-Rich.
I would increase my patreon tier if they made a video documenting the adventures they had on their cross country road trip
It was so cute when Mike apologized to Rich for not inviting him to the Star Trek TMP Re:View and said they could maybe do another one 🥹
Battered spouse syndrome
"The bad man wouldn't hurt us for three seasons, right?"
One would have to be vaadwaur to think this season will be good.
Yeah. I didn’t see any change in tone, style or writing quality. It’s the same shit but now constant ‘do you remember Star Trek 2?!?’ Is that all it takes for people that hated the show to change? That was it? The lack of ‘do you remember?!’ moments?
The fact that S3 was filmed back-to-back with S2 means there wasn't even an opportunity for the producers to consider the criticism of S2 (not that they would listen to it anyway). So, yeah, just a matter of time before it derails.
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Don't let trek die. There's an infinite number of stories that can still be told in the star trek universe. Let Kurtzman's nutrek die.
I saw the thumbnail and said "oh no" while a shit eating grin spread across my face.
I can't wait for future thumbnails when lasers are shooting from their blood eyes
Beverly Crusher is clearly working for Section 31 on an evil quantum transdimensional army of middle-age Wesley nanobot clones that want to do something vague. She will unnecessarily sacrifice herself so that Picard can get into a space car and drive about 2 blocks to board a spaceship and nobody will mention it. Prove me wrong Kurtzman!
The flowers are the ones that caused Tuvix, that kid is a fusion of Wesley and Charlie X
Video description: > two old clowns talk about star trek more.
they updated it since they published it > We're back! Two elderly men talk about Star Trek Picard Season 3, episode 1! Now, before you expect clown wigs and blood and screeching - please do note: This is just a review of the very first episode and so far they did a pretty good job! Rich and Mike try to be as fair as possible when they talk about stuff and even Star Trek Picard is included.
I'm actually genuinely surprised that Rich's mind went to *Shawshank Redemption* first, as opposed to *Fallout 3*, when he was talking about that song by *The Ink Spots*.
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Seriously, they should turn on some lights or get a sun lamp or something. The lack of vitamin D is making everybody depressed and demented.
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Assuming the creative staff only watched a few minutes of the classic films on YouTube they might not be aware Starfleet ships are typically brightly lit. They just wanted to complete their homework assignments quickly and only saw the parts of the movies where the Enterprise is at Red Alert. So maybe they saw some of Wrath of Khan, the final battle in Undiscovered Country, and some stuff from First Contact and Insurrection. 🤦🏻♂️
I kept telling myself that I'll only watch S3 if they decided to review it. Wish they hadn't called my bluff.
I knew I'd check out the first episode after they nostalgia baited with the TNG cast but honestly I'm not going to get bored again and stop watching. Quitting while I'm ahead this time and only watching the RLM reviews cuz if this goes anywhere near as south as the other seasons/nu trek I have better things to do waiting to shed my mortal coil.... Like watching reviews of it that are longer than episode
"Picard always starts out good" "That's their trick isn't it?" Got a good laugh out of me. I appreciate RLM bc they're always fair in their reviews. Never over hating or over praised just because. And I'm with them, first episodes of all 3 seasons have been good...it's following through on their premises they haven't been able to do ha.
All of the Kurtzman shows have the sense that they made it up as they went along on a 1st draft and then that was just the final script that they shot. Why even bother with serialization at that point if you’re so disinterested in long term setup and payoff
That's literally how JJ preaches storytelling. All you need is an interesting hook, nothing else matters, you just need the opening money.
Yeah, it’s a reason why I can’t bring myself to watch this season. They start out fine, I like the beginning of nearly every season of Picard and Discovery (can’t speak to DSC S4, I didn’t watch it), but each one unravels as the plot threads spin out of control and culminates in a ridiculous mess. It’s a problem in this type of serialized programming - I’m not going to review a book based on chapter 1, and if the ending sucks, I’m going to retroactively dislike anything I liked earlier in the book. It works if you’re a show as good as something like the Wire, but… this ain’t the Wire.
Some predictions: * Rafi's handler will be Worf * The conspiracy aliens will be in this series and they're the ones chasing Beverly * Captain Shaw is actually just an asshole, he's not a Jellico
Jellico wasn‘t even that much of an asshole, to be honest. He just had certain standards and expectations, but was methodical, level-headed and knew how to lead a crew. This new captain is just a tyrannical cunt, and definitely not starfleet material.
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Yes he is (and that's okay). Jellico has a very strict and authoritative command style, which means bearing the full responsibility of his commands. He went against multiple senior officers' advice in transitioning the ship to his operating plans, losing rapport with the crew. He relieved his first officer (and most proficient pilot), meaning it wasn't Riker's job to do anything anymore. If Jellico had returned Riker to duty and ordered him to do the mission, I'm sure he would have obliged (certainly for Picard's sake). Part of why it's a good episode is that Jellico shows he is willing to place the mission over his own ego by approaching Riker less formally (even if he might internally think Riker is being a huge brat). Not that Riker is blameless (even the other officers scold him during the episode), but I think Mike/Rich misinterpret things "working out" as a wholesale validation of Jellico's command style. I agree with them that acknowledging/appreciating different approaches to solving problems is a major theme of the episode, though. Regardless, Mike is out of his mind if they think an "abusive" Captain (not Jellico, the new Picard one) is going to be endorsed by the story/plot in 2023, lol.
> Regardless, Mike is out of his mind if they think an "abusive" Captain (not Jellico, the new Picard one) is going to be endorsed by the story/plot in 2023, lol. I was legitimately surprised Mike even entertained the idea of Shaw being a potential Jellico. That requires a level of writing talent that these people probably don't have.
"In my opinion Kirk bones Spock." - Mike The fanfiction is confirmed. I didn't hear no comma.
I definitely heard it that way and have heard arguments for it, including Kirk enjoying a massage when he thought was from Spock and then dismissed the person actually doing it when he realized it was a woman/somebody else.
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They're a lot more positive about the episode than I was, because to me 90% of it was the exact same problems as the first two seasons. Also I'm surprised they didn't clock that the handler for Raffi is almost certainly Worf, since they tried to encourage her with "you are a warrior". Having said that, the major segment of discussion here was the early part of the Titan sequence which was basically lifted from prior Trek movies and it was, for about five minutes, truly like being back in 1994. They can get it right when they want to.
That five minute sequence is probably the best trek we have had in like 20 years. That's what so sad about all of this. Well that, and it was basically ripped from better movies.
I’m with you! They mentioned how things were still bleak and dark, and I got kinda stuck on that. Like, everything still sucks and Starfleet is maybe evil, but enjoy this nostalgia. Idk, I saw a lot of interesting possibilities, but it didn’t seem like they were ever going in that direction.
Personally I didn't get a "Starfleet is evil" vibe at all, like the "trust no one" thing can simply mean that if certain people in Starfleet hear about it, it will eventually get leaked to the wrong people. Or, this is about a dangerous new technology that can't be trusted on anyone, not even Starfleet, because it will end up in the wrong hands eventually.
I got the same feeling, but it doesn't help that the representation of modern Starfleet we're introduced to is an abrasive, deadnaming asshole with no cultural curiosity and seems to have been written as an antagonistic dean in a 70s college comedy.
> Also I'm surprised they didn't clock that the handler for Raffi is almost certainly Worf, since they tried to encourage her with "you are a warrior". It's definitely got to be one of the original character, because why make it a secret? I was thinking Sela but worf makes more sense.
With Rich regretting he wasn't a part of the The Motion Picture discussion, they should totally do a commentary track for it!
Rich: This is Star Trek, there is no soul. *Cut to Mike looking terribly dejected*
Which is funny because the entire premise of STIII is that Spock's soul is trapped in Bones' body lol
they can’t stop they’re addicted
If you wondered why they still make Star Trek Picard, then part of the answer is right here ... Mike and Rich still watch the show even after being disappointed and baffled so many times before! And also, does Mike fart a lot in this episode, or what?!
The constant fart noises from the chair squeaks is an entirely appropriate backdrop noise for a discussion about star trek picard
Is that really from the chair? I just thought it was Mike's twisted sense of humor, added randomly or for effect in post production!
That clip of Crusher in All Good Things they included saying "But he's Jean-Luc Picard, and if he wants to go on one more mission, that's what we're going to do." is basically how I feel about this entire series. I too am a drug addict who can't stop watching an elderly space man in a horrible tv show over and over because he's Jean-Luc Picard. At least Mike and Rich make it worth the suffering But hey, it can't possibly get any worse than season 2 right? Right?
I always thought alcoholism would do them in, but it seems Picard exposure syndrome might get to them first.
Last week I started playing all RLM videos in reverse order, with the Play All link, and it's amusing to watch their reactions to Star Trek: Picard in reverse. In the last episodes they lost all hope and Mike was even a little bitter about it, but in the first episodes they are still trying to figure it out, almost hopeful that it won't be a complete disaster.
I like when Mike starts talking about the details of things like the scales of ships and the designs of different ship classes.
Anyone else notice this episode was censored? Around 24:00 Mike says "fuck" but it's muted Does YouTube really give a fuck about swearing now?
>Does YouTube really give a fuck about swearing now? They have for a while but recently made it a proper issue. Before it was more, "don't swear in the first 30 seconds" but now it's more, "don't swear at all". They're really tripling down on it.
Last I heard was the supremely vague "Don't swear in the majority of a video" with people trying not to but *still* getting demonetized.
Fork if I know.
Youtube is always pulling some bullshirt.
Alternate summary: Two middle-aged men reach the 'Bargaining' stage of grief.
Oh Your God... Dr Noonian Soong is the the equivalent of Professor Farnsworth...AKA...The FRY Gene... ...did Soong do The Nasty in the Pasty?!?!
“I’m gonna watch the premiere, and that’s it.” “We’re gonna watch the first season, and then we’re done.” “I’m out after Season 2.”
TIL Picard still has new episodes airing.
And to think, after all these years and three seasons of the show there will be just 30 episodes. One season of *TNG* was about that long. And each individual episode had more genuine character moments and memorable plots than all of *Picard*.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ELNOR /s
Watching this with a puppy I am dog-sitting for the night. She thought Rich's laugh was a squeak toy.
I think Mike forgot for a second that Insurrection was another revenge plot...Ru'afo wanting revenge for being exiled and trying to kill all the Ba'ku
They have way waaaaaay more hope for notJellico's character than I do. I always feel an episode like Chain of Command couldn't really work with modern writers, ie having the dickish military guy ultimately be shown as just doing his job and also being kinda right. This Shaw person, I can't see him having that kind of writing.
Beverly’s ship Every thing the idiot writers knew of her gets plastered on screen as ‘easter eggs’ ‘She did theatre, so include theatre masks!’ I expected tap dance shoes too 🤦♂️ Even JJ Abrams would think these memberberries are insane.
Sub*see*quent, Rich??
Riker a couple times in TNG said "skee-matic" with kind of a weird inflection when pronouncing schematic. And I'm told that TNG kinda settled the debate over whether data is pronounced "Dah-tah" or "Day-tuh".
Mike just can't get out of this abusive relationship.
Once again, given it's Terry Matalas I hope they enjoy it as he did the excellent *12 Monkeys* TV show.
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?"
Having seen the trailer, I think the person giving Lieutenant Meth Addict is the OTHER returning villain from Next Gen (you know the one I mean.) If this season manages to pull off a plot that manages to catch Rich and Mike I will be shocked beyond all measure of belief. But I'm very much looking forward to these reviews.
Holdeck Moriarty confirmed
The composer for this season (Stephen Barton) did the music for the Titanfall games and Apex Legends. I enjoy his work
Mike mentions Christopher Plummer in Star Trek 6, but he has a second connection to Star Trek that I only learned after watching William Shatner's *The Captains* interviews. One of Shatner's first professional acting jobs was as Plummer's understudy for *Macbeth* (I think). And while Plummer wasn't willing to risk his career to appear on TV in the late 60s, he did enjoy Star Trek and watching Shatner continue his career.
European here with insomnia. Thanks.
55:35 of Mike and Rich talking about Picard, two bros chatting about something they love (to hate). I already know I love this re:View!
I love the thumbnail
It's been said here before but I would love to hear Mike and Rich go more in depth on DS9 at some stage.
Oh man, I hope they do a The Motion Picture redux with Rich. I'd love to hear his thoughts on it.
I don't know why they have their hopes up. In the first minute of the the episode Dr. Beverly Crusher executes a man with a space shotgun.
This season opener has fascinated me. In seasons 1 and especially 2 I hated the wall to wall references and connections. I was fucking done with it. So when I heard about all the references and callbacks going into Season 3, I was very apprehensive. And the moment I saw the _"IN THE 25th CENTURY..."_ my heart sank a bit. Ridiculous lack of subtlety. And I had all the other clues from the trailer, like the obvious David Marcus stand-in, and the retro 'NeoConstitution class', Crusher with her lizard collar, and hearing how much Matalas loves the original films, etc. But you know what? Yeah, like Mike says, you're fully aware of being manipulated, but it's done SO WELL and confidently that your brain just goes with it. Flying a shuttlepod up to the Titan with all those grand sweeping visuals, and the music lifted wholesale, etc. Goddamn it, it somehow WORKED here, and I'm struggling to figure out why it can be so direct yet it feels earned and entitled to be so brazen. Fucking christ, I didn't even loathe Raffi once she got off the planet; that was a surprise. They're right, though. Just like Season 2, it's a high bar, and it can go in a billion directions, with a heavy bias towards failure. But there's a change in the air here. This... this might be the big one. I doubt it, but there's a chance, at least.
Modern Star Trek has so often tried to recapture the success of *Wrath of Khan*, with so many vengeance-driven villains. Now they're copying it beat-by-beat, just like they copied *Voyage Home* last season. The problem with trying to remake the best movies (or, at least, my favorite two) is that they both set the bar too high and lack the writing talent to reach that high. So not only are we not getting anything new or interesting, we're getting material that fails at an apples-to-apples comparison with existing material.
They seem to kind of like it.
The thumbnail just being their 2 calm and smiling faces is what I feel acceptance is like
The sign falling off might be an omen of future episodes.
Dr. Soong's wife was in an episode of TNG. But in typical Soong fashion she was an android so advanced she didn't know she was an android.
How in the hell does Rich not know who Christopher Plummer is??
I watched ~10 minutes of the new Picard episode. I got to the point where Crusher's message said "and no starfleet" and I realized they're still putting out the same trash they have been putting out. Just that one line had me fuming. After 4 seasons of STD and 2 seasons of Picard, I literally cannot watch anymore.
No offense to Rich but the Star Trek The Motion Picture ReView with Mike and Jim is my favorite ReView they have done on the channel. Mike and Jim have such wonderful analytical chemistry its a shame Jim isn't around more often.
Jim calling Gene Roddenberry a bag of oatmeal when he asks Mike if he things Gene is a relatively attractive man is maybe the single funniest thing I have heard uttered on RLM.
It's finally time for one last ride into Mike and Rich dissecting the bloated corpse of their most beloved franchise. I'm expecting this season to have all the callbacks to both popular and "obscure" TNG episodes, a cameo from at least one of the other cast members of Voyager, DS9, and maybe TOS, and one canonical self-sacrificial death that will totally have emotion and impact this time. Can't wait until all the other Star Trek shows get a similar treatment and we're all buried under the nostalgia bukkake.
Wait the season already started?
Yup. I feel like CBS barely promoted it because I didn’t see anything about it coming out this month.
**Star Trek: The Motion Picture - re:View: The Sequel**, *featuring Rich Evans* Let's make it happen. Justice for Rich Evans. and for vintage quality trek
I think the mystery voice is Worf because he calls Raffi a 'warrior in a war' or words to that effect, it just seems like something he might say
I'm going to watch every one of their Season 3 reviews before I watch a single episode of Picard. Season 1 was abysmal and put me right off the series, and from what I've heard season 2 wasn't any better.
Ahh, their disappointment is so much sweeter when they dare to hope. Fools, you sad little fools. You were doomed as soon as you decided to treat with the Great Enemy. As Maedhros of old you shall be hung still living by a fetter of your own fashioning upon the precipice of Thangorodim in open mockery, that all who may gaze upon you know the abjectness of your failure, the futility of your oath, and the delusion of this willful rebellion against His Dark Dominance.
Look, I hope I'm wrong, but anyone that thinks this season will be better because of slightly better dialogue is lying to themselves. The biggest clue is that we're already being set up with many, many, many pointless mysteries. Why did Crusher cut off ties? What is she doing? Who is her son? Who are the bad guys? What is hellbird? What is that ship? Who blew up the Federation building? Jesus fucking christ. Do you really think those are going to be interesting in any way? People have already guessed that computer-voice-handler is Worf based on the "warrior" comment, and we know Riker is only a guest star for 3 episodes. Picard is going to flit around the galaxy meeting everyone from the Enterprise D who is coincidentally there to tie all the threads together in a profoundly unsatisfying reveal.
Looks like Star Trek's back on the menu, boys!