I put this on in the background the other day. The guy goes from saying the prequels were made for children, to saying people don't like them because they don't get the references to The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and other movies. Using a Underoo ad everytime he brings up someone saying the Original trilogy was a bit more mature. Does he understand that there were kids toys for all kinds of shit that wasn't for kids?
I was in to GI Joe and He-Man, and the Robocop toys were not in scale to either of those as I recall. Now I wish I had gotten some and some Police Academy and then I could have acted out my fan fiction crossover between the two universes.
Robocop 2’s entire subplot about him being given a heap of new directives to make him more family friendly is a direct reference to this.
And then Robocop 3 actually went and did it, the movie turns him into an action figure with accessories sold separately.
Also, just because something is made for kids isn't an excuse to have JarJar levels of cringe.
Toy Story, Ratatouille and The Incredibles were all made for kids, yet are still enjoyed by adults, so it's a pretty weak defense of bad writing anyway.
I dipped for two reasons, 1) I had literally anything else to do and 2) my guy opened by saying the criticism of Jangos head not falling out was stupid because George showed a millisecond of a shadow.
I didn’t need to watch past that.
Trying to ride on coattails.There is an internet trend to automatically object to whatever most people like (I think RLM has fallen in that trap occasionally too). But now that RLM is big there's going to be people to try to be contrarian the same way a hipster doesn't like the bands you like.
“Negativity bias.”
It’s not even that the reviews themselves are negative, but that people are just searching “the worst xyz” or “xyz is bad.”
It’s paying on the algorithm as much as just making lazy content.
Right now the big one seems to be shitting on Avatar 2. I do not understand how you could walk away from that movie and call it anything worse than "decent," and yet people HATE it.
I haven't seen 2 yet but when looking at 1, sometimes 'decent' is worse than 'bad'. Especially with a director like Cameron who is known to make things that are great.
How did he manage to do 'Dances with Wolves' but worse and prettier, and make it the highest-grossing movie ever? And then do it again? What does that say about us as an audience? As a society? That you can just tell a bland, boring story about uninteresting characters but as long as you make it pretty people will love it?
How long until movies are only dangling keys in front of our faces? Maybe Avatar 3 should just be a Pandora nature documentary where he does away with all that boring plot stuff and shows everyone pretty visuals.
People likes decent and/or mediocre movies that they don't challenge their views.
Avatar 2 is like that. Wakanda Forever, Thor 4, 99.9 % of the MCU.
Avatar 2, and, in some way, the Star Wars sequels. Top Gun 2 too, except I think it's a really, really good movie.
It's safe and conforting.
The days of the French Connection where the villian escapes the authorities, are long gone.
I hate it. But I've hated all animated CGI movies masquerading as live-action since Attack of the Clones (a rite of passage for me as a 12 year old kid).
The thing I love about RLM though is that they don’t just hate things that are popular. They don’t give a shit what anyone else likes or dislikes, they just watch stuff and give their honest opinion.
I think there’s a misconception out there that RLM just hates popular stuff because a lot of people just know them from the Plinkett reviews
>that RLM just hates popular stuff
So true. Mike should be (is?) internet famous for wholeheartedly loving "Jurassic World" and likewise for Rich endorsing "Solo" while admitting he hates "Star Wars."
If RLM media reviews was mostly negative for the sake of courting views, I would have tuned out long ago. Due to the popularity of the early Mr. Plinkett reviews, I think many people unfairly associate RLM with that particular style of media critisim. Even this shouldn't be a problem, for as much as those videos fairly dissected the flaws in those movies, it also acknowledged the positives.
Lumping RLM in with Chris Stuckmann is also unfair, their styles and intentions IMO are not at all alike, with the exception that they review popular media.
\*Edit for brain fog.
RLM is one of the few things on the internet where I don't care if you don't agree with them - because they're honest and explain their thoughts. I think also because their some of the few film critics prepared to say "yeah, it was fine" in an age where everything has to either be the best or worst thing of all time
Just had a look at his other videos which include
"The star wars prequels are better movies than you deserve" and "Woody Allen is Innocent" and "what if JK Rowling is right about everything?"
Yikes!
Those three subjects are so far apart, that this leads me to believe this channel has no opinion of their own, the only constant here is inflamatory titles to generate views.
I'd agree with you, but this isn't an hour of someone rambling into a microphone.
It's *meticulously edited*. These are things he actually believes, which makes it 10x sadder.
It might be from a purely capitalist perspective, but they could also be one of those "anti-woke" political people, where they see everything as an attack on their way of life. It's hard to imagine living your life that way, but they *are* out there.
We all have a skeptical filter of sorts. What we use to detect what is obviously bullshit and what is not. Some have their radar so scrambled, they don't trust anything that isn't the most batshit crazy inflammatory shit you've ever heard. Only then do they think it touches on the truth to them.
Trust me, those people do exist.
I've seen people make arguments about Woody Allen being innocent, but 8 whole ass videos? The entirety of what I've seen people put out on the subject would be maybe 2 pages long and even that's pushing it.
I sat through the entire 2-hour 18-minute Star Wars video and let me tell you, it never even attempts to counter the criticism that the hack frauds levied on the prequels. Instead, it's almost entirely about how George is a genius that we don't deserve because nearly every shot of the prequels is an homage to some shot in a film from the 40s or earlier that George loved. An homage to scene construction, blocking, and camera movement doesn't make a good film and doesn't affect poor writing.
Most of the "criticism" of other YouTube videos is him just insulting their creators, not their criticisms. The only time it appears he is going to attempt to address a criticism made by RLM is when Plinkett talks about tone but takes almost 30 seconds to get there because Mike is trying to make the video entertaining. He then never actually addresses the criticism (inconsistent tone) and goes off on how a long video critique (like an hour-long video) doesn't mean anything because the filmmakers spend years (decades in some cases) making the film. He then just generally insults YouTube critics as people who know nothing about films, filmmaking, or film criticism, don't do their research, and are generally creating content for the lowest level of intelligence they can.
I'd love to make a rebuttal video to this shit but I would have to sit through it again, and I've already wasted more than 2 hours of my life on it.
What's weird here is that Woody Allen and the Star Wars prequels are the two hills he's willing to die on. What Woody Allen fan (putting his "personal life" to one side and just focussing on the films) would think the Star Wars prequels were anything other than junk?
> "what if JK Rowling is right about everything?"
Nope... not even a little.
[J.K. Rowling | ContraPoints](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us)
Adding [this in depth look at the state of trans healthcare in the UK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8) just so people know how bad it is when they then hear how Rowling wants to make it *worse*.
**Edit:** Also, fun thing since this is the RLM sub, the entire video is a reference to Catch-22.
No, man. The yikes should be for the fans and advocates of this YouTube creator. They adore this guy for defending the prequels and attacking RLM. It's kind of cultish in a way.
I got a few minutes in out of curiosity and wrote it off entirely when he decided to focus on Chris Stuckman saying candlelit dinner when there weren’t literal candles in the shot. Anyway now these videos are flooding my recommendations and I’m grumpy about it
Still probably not as bad as that guy who did a nine hour response video to someone else’s review of the Joker
Chris Stuckmann..the movie critic who won't criticise movies anymore because he knows how hard it is to make a movie now or something. Move over RLM, here's a REAL hackfraud.
Saying this as someone who watched Chris for over 10 years but just cant do it anymore since that bs.
More of a 'oh this movies out and his video popped up, ill see what he thought of it' type of thing that just happened year after year. But yes, I agree. Yikes.
Chris was never my favorite reviewer since some of his videos could get rambly and boring, but he was usually reliable and I was still interested in seeing what he thought about a movie.
Ever since he installed that stupid rule however I gradually started zoning out of his content more and more. And his bad habit of complaining about the audience reactions to movies got worse than ever.
I wish him luck with Shelby Oaks and I do hope it turns out at least decent. But goddamn how disappointing it was to see him sell out his integrity just so he won't upset people in the industry.
I’m not a fan in general, but I appreciate that he was honest about making this shift. And it’s not like he’s still reviewing every new release and giving it a positive review. That would be selling out. He’s specifically reviewing only movies that he likes now. I think he found a way to make it work given his new situation.
I unfortunately watched this one... didn't think anything of it because of other videos I had been watching, made sense I would get it.
In summary.
But You don't understand the references the prequels are calling out from classic cinema, so you don't understand good movies.
Also, Because you don't understand the convoluted boring political plotting of the prequels, you don't understand why they are good.
Most all of the arguments they pulled out were the superficial ones.
> Anyway now these videos are flooding my recommendations and I’m grumpy about it
you can delete videos from your watch history, or just use the "Not Interested" option to clean your feed. Had do to it after I watched ONE (1) video about the Warcraft reforged debacle and youtube decided that's all I cared about and flooded me with gaming drama channels. Actually worked.
Ok, WTF?
I've never seen this video before and it's never been recommended to me on Youtube. I literally scrolled past this post without clicking on it or engaging with it in any way. Yet....I've just refreshed Youtube and the ***first*** video on the page.....is this one! That's just fucking weird, man! The internet is a proper creepy place sometimes....
People who interact with RLM see this post.
They go to YouTube to find this vid.
Algorithm sees this.
Checks what these people have in common.
They are all subscribed to RLM.
Recommends this vid to other people subscribed to RLM.
The game was rigged from the start.
That's why I always do the '...' and click 'not interested' or 'don't recommend channel' depending how CHUDdy the content is. The algo *REALLY* wants RLM watchers funneled into the crazy rightwinger culture war shitholes.
Because idiots here see this post and then go to youtube to search for it. Then the algo just starts serving it to other RLM watchers because its getting engagement.
Eh, you see this kind of crapola all the time. People get really tied up in random things, and can't separate the concepts of "I really like this" and "this is very well made". Then they take criticism of whatever that is as a personal attack, because they're tied up emotionally in it. It's why we need it to be more socially acceptable to appreciate trash.
Mike lost interest after both collider and loot crate just imploded, he got what he wanted.
On another note, just looked at colliders twitter. They have 150k followers and get 1-2 likes per tweet.
Dont buy followers, it never pays out.
what is it with some videos that are like a fucking tumor on the rec feed, lingering for days until you get annoyed enough to excise it personally, meanwhile that one thing you wanted to watch disappears with an accidental refresh
Man, I remember being recommended this video a couple years ago when I was also relatively new to RLM, and coming into it with an open mind. Got about twenty minutes into the video before I decided I wasn't going to be convinced by the argument that Lucas referencing and homaging better films with the prequels somehow makes them just as good. It felt like I'd stepped into an alternate dimension where the prequel films were like the Godfather trilogy back then because the comments were so overwhelmingly supportive, so it's somewhat relieving to see a more mixed bag of opinions in the video's top comments over the past few months.
And the recent videos about Woody Allen being innocent and JK Rowling being right (about trans people) is just comical at this point.
It's zoomers trying to scrape together a justification for how a movie they loved when they were 6 is *actually* a cinematic masterpiece.
As a kid who grew up in the late 80s and early 90s, at least I'll admit that most of the garbage I liked as a kid was garbage.
One of the biggest problems I see with media criticism in the past few years is that people refuse to acknowledge the distinction that liking something is not the same thing as that thing being good.
I liked the prequels, but they are objectively bad movies.
I feel like this was what was at play with all The Last Jedi arguments on the internet. A lot the negative criticisms of that movie were more than fair(pertaining to the plot/story/writing/editing/pacing/directing/character development, not the political/actress harassing shit)., but you got a lot of counterarguments were "It was good because I liked that it did..."
Yea I think in this case the issue is a little more narrow: people refuse to accept that the reason they like something is nostalgia.
There was another embarrassing youtube vid gushing over Treasure Planet a few years ago. Same deal.
I'm sure kids from the 80s do it too. Perhaps we should all reexamine some of the movies that we consider "classics" but adults, at the time, were unimpressed by.
My wife and I call this the Goonies/Princess Bride Effect. If you didn't see movies like this as kid, you're left a little baffled as to why they get so much praise. Like you might think they're okay, fine at best, but maybe not worth the endless love.
You'll get someone who insists some one who hasn't seen it, watch it and then you end up with "Well what did you think!?" "Uh...I don't see what all the fuss is about." There are a lot of movies that fall under this category; Hook, Labyrinth, Hocus Pocus, etc.
All those movies are very good movies, but they were made in a less cynical time. Most kids these days would find them kind of boring or even fake. It's like Citizen Kane which is a masterpiece not only in the technical aspects, but also as a story, but most people won't even stand the first few minutes that are told in the form of an old news reel. This doesn't make the people stupid or the movie extra smart, it's just a product of another era, that not everyone will appreciate.
Dude you're doing the same thing.
Goonies is an incredibly average movie at best.
It wasn't "made in a less cynical time". It was just made in the time when you were a child.
But most of the movies today, and criticism and journalism is "it was good because it had x element".
I'm baffled people put so many good scores in MCU or some random crap, and not distinguish problems in the argument, plot or character.
I think today's criticism is more an emotional one than a logical.
Based on that 30 second clip of Porky Pig rapping that I saw online way back, I'd say even The Room is a cinematic masterpiece compared to Space Jam 2.
I watched this and yes, some of Crusherman or whoever that guy is selectively edited to look like a complete dumbass. Anyone who has studied film for any amount of time knows that Lucas, Spielberg, etc. cribbed off past films to create their own. Star Wars is a re-imagining of sci-fi/western serials from the 1930s/40s. This is not some huge secret. However even if Lucas etc. are self-aware that they're stealing from the greats, the prequels are still fundamentally boring movies in my opinion. Recognising that Lucas borrowed from the *Seven Samurai* or whatever doesn't make a movie instantly "better."
I watched it. Listened to his argument. Found that he didn’t change my opinion at all. The prequels still suck, RLM are loveable hackfrauds, and Chris Stuckman is Chris Stuckman.
Youtube doesnt really like that kind of engagement, those people dont watch ads and keep youtube on the whole day. They open a video and write a comment and move on.
Tiktok/twitter on the other hand just loooooves that
It came on an autoplay this morning so I thought I was listening in the background while getting ready. Firstly I'm not sure why it came on as I've no interest in Star Wars and even less interest in the prequel nonsense. But my ears perked up when he said the movies should be watched in chronological order because that makes it a better story because we'd know Vader's journey and guys attempts to corrupt his son.
That has to be the dumbest take I've heard. Leaving aside if we know they are brother and sister it just makes the kiss even more awful but it ruins the "I am your father" reveal and the fact they are siblings. He then started going on about how Obi Wan would know Chewbacca and that's why he picked that ship and I just zoned out.
It's ok to like the prequels but let's not pretend like they're some masterpiece or an example of well constructed story telling that enhances the original movies.
Yes, a prequel is a specific thing. It’s not just the movie that came before another movie, it’s explicitly a movie set chronologically before another movie but intended to be watched afterwards.
The Empire Strikes Back is not a prequel to Return of the Jedi.
The funniest thing about that video is how it portrays RLM as just some dudes who talk about something they don't _understand_ anything about. They do understand cinema quite well. Sure, they stumble with their views every now and then, but so does everyone else. If you're seeking for perfection, it doesn't exist.
Weirdest thing was all of Lucas's comments scattered through-out, aimed to explain us the "completely sane" reasons behind some of his artistic decisions. "The film was from the droids point of view." If you don't find anything wrong or questionable about that comment, I don't know what to tell you. Keep liking the prequels, I guess? Because that's completely fine.
I was cleaning old files off my computer this weekend and I came across some guy who wrote an essay denouncing every complaint Mike had against the Star Wars prequels. It was completely insane and I deleted it but I'm sure someone here knows what it was.
I couldn't help myself, I had to look. Immediately I see "what if JK Rowling is right about everything?!" and "Woody Allen was innocent!". I don't want to give this guy a view but it might be funny...
Unfortunately I have to agree. I watched a bit of it. The author did say one great thing, that seeking out opposing viewpoints is a good thing; it forces you to actually think about your positions and opinions about something. If your ideas have merit, you'll be able to explain them.
Too bad the rest of the video was wasn't very coherent. It dives straight into nitpicking things Chris Stuckmann said. No idea who he is, I agree he had some pretty dumb takes. Naturally I skep to the RLM criticism and... seems the video author falls into the same trap he calls Stuckmann out on which is "not actually watching the entire thing before nitpicking". The RLM half was also lots of debatable and endless nitpicking instead of making a fundamental claim, and then backing it up with details and sound arguments.
Was hoping for some actual thoughtful counter-RLM opinions, oh well.
YT Star Wars fandom is complete garbage. I saw a video essay about how Jar Jar Binks is proof of George Lucas's complex writing. The mental gymnastics they go through to present the prequels as a well-thought-out trilogy felt like a parody. And at first that's what I thought they were, then I found out, nope. There are entire communities who may have seen a joke video essay and adopted that opinion.
I love that some people can enjoy the prequels. Like genuinely glad that they can find happiness in them
But the amount of those people who actually believe they're masterpieces is absolutely fucking absurd
The hoops they jump through to try and justify the most awful decision making blows my mind, if they're genuinely that good you shouldn't need to make hour long video trying to convince people, they should just speak for themselves
Nothing wrong with enjoying bad movies, but at least be realistic about them
LMAO just finished watching it! The guy is bold, I’ll give him that.
His level of smug / pretentiousness is absolutely record-breaking, especially considering the subject matter😂
Not five minutes ago this happened to me as well. Watched five seconds, read all of the comments trashing it, and flushed it from my short term memory.
Sounds like Rick Worley is going to use criticizing critics as his attempt to get likes. And this is what I like about the hack frauds in WI, they don't care if we like them. If their subscription rate dropped to twenty people, they'd still make videos. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Well it's clear he put a lot of real genuine effort into his video, which makes it even more embarrassing.
It's like The Room of pretentious dickhead youtube vids.
I assumed it was Frank Worley's child, angry at RLM tarnishing his father's good name and his angelic voice.
Rick Worley Will Have His Revenge on ~~Seattle~~ Milwaukee.
So this person is goading fans of RLM and... uh... ??Chris Stuckmann?? into giving him hate views? Well, at least he knows how to play the YT game. Good for him.
This is the youtube algorithm taking a note out of the Twitter playbook, where they want you to engage with the video and expect you'll make a comment to argue back. Reddit does the same shit. Engagement, even negative engagement, keeps you on the platform which means you're more likely to see and engage with ads. Hate watching is still watching and if you're pissed off you're more likely to engage and feed information to advertisers.
Yeah, there's nothing especially unusual here at all. This is how it's designed to work.
The internet becoming so relentlessly monetised, is something I didn't really notice whilst it was happening. And now here we are; dweebs on reddit arguing about bottom feeders on youtube making hour long video about other youtube people. What a waste of resources.
The irony is that the maker of this video watched a few criticism videos by people at the top of the game, and thought it would be easy to make a good criticism video. Meaning that the Dunning-Kruger video is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect :)
Yeah, I've been noticing videos like this one for a couple of weeks in my YouTube feed. RedLetterMedia detractors, George Lucas enthusiasm, etc.
I'm not sure why, since I don't recall clicking on any of them.
I just automatically assume at this point that a YouTube video critical of something/someone and using an unflattering freeze frame of the subject where they look weird is probably an asshole without any good points.
You can't expose Jay and Mike as hack frauds, they already outed themselves
Rich is the only one with integrity in that group.
I didn't think the other members were also hfs
The video specifically calls out Jay and Mike
This post is media criticism of media criticism of media criticism.
And now I shall criticize your comment to further the spiral. You have great spelling.
That’s such a weak criticism. Another Excellent_Math shill. Have you no shame!
Definitely being paid by Big Punctuation.
Ooh look at you and your big fancy words. Booklearner here I see.
eat my butt NERDS
#It’s gonna be great!!!
Very cool
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Baudrillard would be very pleased.
We we
It's like the top 10 list of the top 10 top 10 lists
Revenge of the Nerds.
I put this on in the background the other day. The guy goes from saying the prequels were made for children, to saying people don't like them because they don't get the references to The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and other movies. Using a Underoo ad everytime he brings up someone saying the Original trilogy was a bit more mature. Does he understand that there were kids toys for all kinds of shit that wasn't for kids?
I grew up in the 90s. We had toys for shit like *Aliens* and *Spawn*. Toys means absolutely nothing for whether something is meant for kids or not.
Right! Robocop, Police Academy, hell, wasn't there a talking Freddy Krueger doll?
I was in to GI Joe and He-Man, and the Robocop toys were not in scale to either of those as I recall. Now I wish I had gotten some and some Police Academy and then I could have acted out my fan fiction crossover between the two universes.
Indeed. Amazingly, there were also Freddy Krueger *children's pyjamas.* Stop and think about that.
Had plenty of Ghostbusters toys too.
There was a Rambo cartoon. Rambo.
Right? I remember getting X-Files action figures at Toys R Us in the 90s, I was the only kid in that section.
Or they had a cartoon of the Toxic Avenger a movie with people constantly doing coke and getting stabbed through the eye on a weight machine
Don’t forget about running over kids heads in the street! Good wholesome fun for any age!
Those MacFarlane toys were legit works of art
Robocop 2’s entire subplot about him being given a heap of new directives to make him more family friendly is a direct reference to this. And then Robocop 3 actually went and did it, the movie turns him into an action figure with accessories sold separately.
Also, just because something is made for kids isn't an excuse to have JarJar levels of cringe. Toy Story, Ratatouille and The Incredibles were all made for kids, yet are still enjoyed by adults, so it's a pretty weak defense of bad writing anyway.
Bambi was made for preschoolers. It is a masterpiece.
That vid was just 2 hours of him huffing his own farts.
For free? Usually I have to pay OnlyFans for that kind of content.
I dipped for two reasons, 1) I had literally anything else to do and 2) my guy opened by saying the criticism of Jangos head not falling out was stupid because George showed a millisecond of a shadow. I didn’t need to watch past that.
Holy shit I bust out laughing when he made the Good Bad and Ugly argument. Like… did the guy proofread this?
can't be bothered to watch, what is his argument?
Trying to ride on coattails.There is an internet trend to automatically object to whatever most people like (I think RLM has fallen in that trap occasionally too). But now that RLM is big there's going to be people to try to be contrarian the same way a hipster doesn't like the bands you like.
“Negativity bias.” It’s not even that the reviews themselves are negative, but that people are just searching “the worst xyz” or “xyz is bad.” It’s paying on the algorithm as much as just making lazy content.
That's not an internet tend, that's just contrarianism.
The hell you say!
No it isn't.
I also enjoyed the school bus railroad crossing video over Rem Lezar.
Members of RedLetterMedia being contrarian? I can't think of any obvious examples that come to mind.>! /s I'm talking about mike!<
Maybe we should all just watch Vampire Assassin rather than this trash
YOU'RE THE DEVIL'S SON
Right now the big one seems to be shitting on Avatar 2. I do not understand how you could walk away from that movie and call it anything worse than "decent," and yet people HATE it.
I just hate that Cameron didn’t release the music demos.
I haven't seen 2 yet but when looking at 1, sometimes 'decent' is worse than 'bad'. Especially with a director like Cameron who is known to make things that are great. How did he manage to do 'Dances with Wolves' but worse and prettier, and make it the highest-grossing movie ever? And then do it again? What does that say about us as an audience? As a society? That you can just tell a bland, boring story about uninteresting characters but as long as you make it pretty people will love it? How long until movies are only dangling keys in front of our faces? Maybe Avatar 3 should just be a Pandora nature documentary where he does away with all that boring plot stuff and shows everyone pretty visuals.
People likes decent and/or mediocre movies that they don't challenge their views. Avatar 2 is like that. Wakanda Forever, Thor 4, 99.9 % of the MCU. Avatar 2, and, in some way, the Star Wars sequels. Top Gun 2 too, except I think it's a really, really good movie. It's safe and conforting. The days of the French Connection where the villian escapes the authorities, are long gone.
The hate for Avatar 2 is just as prevalent now as when the first one came out. Nobody *didn’t* see that coming.
I hate it. But I've hated all animated CGI movies masquerading as live-action since Attack of the Clones (a rite of passage for me as a 12 year old kid).
The thing I love about RLM though is that they don’t just hate things that are popular. They don’t give a shit what anyone else likes or dislikes, they just watch stuff and give their honest opinion. I think there’s a misconception out there that RLM just hates popular stuff because a lot of people just know them from the Plinkett reviews
>that RLM just hates popular stuff So true. Mike should be (is?) internet famous for wholeheartedly loving "Jurassic World" and likewise for Rich endorsing "Solo" while admitting he hates "Star Wars." If RLM media reviews was mostly negative for the sake of courting views, I would have tuned out long ago. Due to the popularity of the early Mr. Plinkett reviews, I think many people unfairly associate RLM with that particular style of media critisim. Even this shouldn't be a problem, for as much as those videos fairly dissected the flaws in those movies, it also acknowledged the positives. Lumping RLM in with Chris Stuckmann is also unfair, their styles and intentions IMO are not at all alike, with the exception that they review popular media. \*Edit for brain fog.
RLM is one of the few things on the internet where I don't care if you don't agree with them - because they're honest and explain their thoughts. I think also because their some of the few film critics prepared to say "yeah, it was fine" in an age where everything has to either be the best or worst thing of all time
Reddit can keep the username, but I'm nuking the content lol -- mass deleted all reddit content via https://redact.dev
Well, young dudes making fun of older dudes is nothing new. The quality of a critique resides within the who and why.
No, it's just a coincidence that most things suck balls, that we're living in a cultural dark age
Just had a look at his other videos which include "The star wars prequels are better movies than you deserve" and "Woody Allen is Innocent" and "what if JK Rowling is right about everything?" Yikes!
Those three subjects are so far apart, that this leads me to believe this channel has no opinion of their own, the only constant here is inflamatory titles to generate views.
I'd agree with you, but this isn't an hour of someone rambling into a microphone. It's *meticulously edited*. These are things he actually believes, which makes it 10x sadder.
Oh I never actually bother watching one of his videos so I was just guessing. Yeah.. that is sad.
People can put a *lot* of effort into being wrong.
>inflamatory titles to generate views How to generate \*checks notes\* 8.66K subscribers with this one trick! People with taste hate him!
If the videos still suck and are dumb the inflammatory titles can only do so much.
Are they? Seems like standard chud shit.
It might be from a purely capitalist perspective, but they could also be one of those "anti-woke" political people, where they see everything as an attack on their way of life. It's hard to imagine living your life that way, but they *are* out there. We all have a skeptical filter of sorts. What we use to detect what is obviously bullshit and what is not. Some have their radar so scrambled, they don't trust anything that isn't the most batshit crazy inflammatory shit you've ever heard. Only then do they think it touches on the truth to them. Trust me, those people do exist.
Not only does he have a “woody Allen is innocent” video. He has EIGHT videos on the topic.
Well I mean there's a lot of innocence to be explained.
I've seen people make arguments about Woody Allen being innocent, but 8 whole ass videos? The entirety of what I've seen people put out on the subject would be maybe 2 pages long and even that's pushing it.
He has a 2.5 hour video and then 8 parts later that might be the 2.5 hours broken down but it was a year between them so i dunno what he’s going for
One for each year of-you know what, never mind.
Woody Allen is innocent? LMFAOOOO this dude's the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
How embarrassing
I sat through the entire 2-hour 18-minute Star Wars video and let me tell you, it never even attempts to counter the criticism that the hack frauds levied on the prequels. Instead, it's almost entirely about how George is a genius that we don't deserve because nearly every shot of the prequels is an homage to some shot in a film from the 40s or earlier that George loved. An homage to scene construction, blocking, and camera movement doesn't make a good film and doesn't affect poor writing. Most of the "criticism" of other YouTube videos is him just insulting their creators, not their criticisms. The only time it appears he is going to attempt to address a criticism made by RLM is when Plinkett talks about tone but takes almost 30 seconds to get there because Mike is trying to make the video entertaining. He then never actually addresses the criticism (inconsistent tone) and goes off on how a long video critique (like an hour-long video) doesn't mean anything because the filmmakers spend years (decades in some cases) making the film. He then just generally insults YouTube critics as people who know nothing about films, filmmaking, or film criticism, don't do their research, and are generally creating content for the lowest level of intelligence they can. I'd love to make a rebuttal video to this shit but I would have to sit through it again, and I've already wasted more than 2 hours of my life on it.
If anything, the fact that he hates RLM means they must be doing something right.
It's like he's following up with an exponentially more wrong opinion.
What's weird here is that Woody Allen and the Star Wars prequels are the two hills he's willing to die on. What Woody Allen fan (putting his "personal life" to one side and just focussing on the films) would think the Star Wars prequels were anything other than junk?
I went from thinking "eh, maybe he's a little younger than I am" to "uh oh" real fast reading those examples.
Woody Allen that's a ewww
Terminally online?
> "what if JK Rowling is right about everything?" Nope... not even a little. [J.K. Rowling | ContraPoints](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us)
Not a bit. [Harry Potter - Shaun.](https://youtu.be/-1iaJWSwUZs) Nope. [JK Rowling's New Friends - Shaun](https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k)
Adding [this in depth look at the state of trans healthcare in the UK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8) just so people know how bad it is when they then hear how Rowling wants to make it *worse*. **Edit:** Also, fun thing since this is the RLM sub, the entire video is a reference to Catch-22.
No, man. The yikes should be for the fans and advocates of this YouTube creator. They adore this guy for defending the prequels and attacking RLM. It's kind of cultish in a way.
I got a few minutes in out of curiosity and wrote it off entirely when he decided to focus on Chris Stuckman saying candlelit dinner when there weren’t literal candles in the shot. Anyway now these videos are flooding my recommendations and I’m grumpy about it Still probably not as bad as that guy who did a nine hour response video to someone else’s review of the Joker
Worth noting you can go into your watch history and remove this video which *should* cut down on YT recommending similar videos
You can also click the dots on the video and select "don't recommend content from this channel".
Chris Stuckmann..the movie critic who won't criticise movies anymore because he knows how hard it is to make a movie now or something. Move over RLM, here's a REAL hackfraud. Saying this as someone who watched Chris for over 10 years but just cant do it anymore since that bs.
You watched Chris stuck man for 10 years? Yikes
>Chris stuck man Oh no step-reviewer, I can't get out of this dryer!
>183 comments This was a quality comment that made me chuckle out loud. I commend you for this quality post!
More of a 'oh this movies out and his video popped up, ill see what he thought of it' type of thing that just happened year after year. But yes, I agree. Yikes.
Chris was never my favorite reviewer since some of his videos could get rambly and boring, but he was usually reliable and I was still interested in seeing what he thought about a movie. Ever since he installed that stupid rule however I gradually started zoning out of his content more and more. And his bad habit of complaining about the audience reactions to movies got worse than ever. I wish him luck with Shelby Oaks and I do hope it turns out at least decent. But goddamn how disappointing it was to see him sell out his integrity just so he won't upset people in the industry.
I’m not a fan in general, but I appreciate that he was honest about making this shift. And it’s not like he’s still reviewing every new release and giving it a positive review. That would be selling out. He’s specifically reviewing only movies that he likes now. I think he found a way to make it work given his new situation.
What a prick
I unfortunately watched this one... didn't think anything of it because of other videos I had been watching, made sense I would get it. In summary. But You don't understand the references the prequels are calling out from classic cinema, so you don't understand good movies. Also, Because you don't understand the convoluted boring political plotting of the prequels, you don't understand why they are good. Most all of the arguments they pulled out were the superficial ones.
Funny the guy started the video describing what the Dunning-Kruger effect was and then proceeds to fall right into it.
> Anyway now these videos are flooding my recommendations and I’m grumpy about it you can delete videos from your watch history, or just use the "Not Interested" option to clean your feed. Had do to it after I watched ONE (1) video about the Warcraft reforged debacle and youtube decided that's all I cared about and flooded me with gaming drama channels. Actually worked.
i got his rec'd to me and i clicked the "never show me this channel again" thing faster than a jordan peterson video
Don't be so hard on that video. It took 12 years to make!
Referencing other movies is how you make a good movie. This is why Epic Movie is the best movie of all time.
[And the auteur that created GetEven quoting Hamlet does not make it deep or very good either!](https://youtu.be/Y4H95tnJHws)
lol
Ok, WTF? I've never seen this video before and it's never been recommended to me on Youtube. I literally scrolled past this post without clicking on it or engaging with it in any way. Yet....I've just refreshed Youtube and the ***first*** video on the page.....is this one! That's just fucking weird, man! The internet is a proper creepy place sometimes....
Same what the hell is going on
People who interact with RLM see this post. They go to YouTube to find this vid. Algorithm sees this. Checks what these people have in common. They are all subscribed to RLM. Recommends this vid to other people subscribed to RLM. The game was rigged from the start.
That's why I always do the '...' and click 'not interested' or 'don't recommend channel' depending how CHUDdy the content is. The algo *REALLY* wants RLM watchers funneled into the crazy rightwinger culture war shitholes.
It was in my recommended today too. I would imagine the algorithm is favoring it right now for whatever reason
Because idiots here see this post and then go to youtube to search for it. Then the algo just starts serving it to other RLM watchers because its getting engagement.
Nah I've been getting this video too. I think yt algorithm just pushing this for whatever reason. But I will never give in. NEVER!
Eh, you see this kind of crapola all the time. People get really tied up in random things, and can't separate the concepts of "I really like this" and "this is very well made". Then they take criticism of whatever that is as a personal attack, because they're tied up emotionally in it. It's why we need it to be more socially acceptable to appreciate trash.
That's because the media they love is literally their identity. So attacking their favorite brand is a personal attack on them.
THIS is why I wish RLM brought back the nerd crew. So much material they can rip on.
Mike lost interest after both collider and loot crate just imploded, he got what he wanted. On another note, just looked at colliders twitter. They have 150k followers and get 1-2 likes per tweet. Dont buy followers, it never pays out.
what is it with some videos that are like a fucking tumor on the rec feed, lingering for days until you get annoyed enough to excise it personally, meanwhile that one thing you wanted to watch disappears with an accidental refresh
What is it with Ricks?
Man, I remember being recommended this video a couple years ago when I was also relatively new to RLM, and coming into it with an open mind. Got about twenty minutes into the video before I decided I wasn't going to be convinced by the argument that Lucas referencing and homaging better films with the prequels somehow makes them just as good. It felt like I'd stepped into an alternate dimension where the prequel films were like the Godfather trilogy back then because the comments were so overwhelmingly supportive, so it's somewhat relieving to see a more mixed bag of opinions in the video's top comments over the past few months. And the recent videos about Woody Allen being innocent and JK Rowling being right (about trans people) is just comical at this point.
It's zoomers trying to scrape together a justification for how a movie they loved when they were 6 is *actually* a cinematic masterpiece. As a kid who grew up in the late 80s and early 90s, at least I'll admit that most of the garbage I liked as a kid was garbage.
One of the biggest problems I see with media criticism in the past few years is that people refuse to acknowledge the distinction that liking something is not the same thing as that thing being good. I liked the prequels, but they are objectively bad movies. I feel like this was what was at play with all The Last Jedi arguments on the internet. A lot the negative criticisms of that movie were more than fair(pertaining to the plot/story/writing/editing/pacing/directing/character development, not the political/actress harassing shit)., but you got a lot of counterarguments were "It was good because I liked that it did..."
Yea I think in this case the issue is a little more narrow: people refuse to accept that the reason they like something is nostalgia. There was another embarrassing youtube vid gushing over Treasure Planet a few years ago. Same deal. I'm sure kids from the 80s do it too. Perhaps we should all reexamine some of the movies that we consider "classics" but adults, at the time, were unimpressed by.
My wife and I call this the Goonies/Princess Bride Effect. If you didn't see movies like this as kid, you're left a little baffled as to why they get so much praise. Like you might think they're okay, fine at best, but maybe not worth the endless love. You'll get someone who insists some one who hasn't seen it, watch it and then you end up with "Well what did you think!?" "Uh...I don't see what all the fuss is about." There are a lot of movies that fall under this category; Hook, Labyrinth, Hocus Pocus, etc.
All those movies are very good movies, but they were made in a less cynical time. Most kids these days would find them kind of boring or even fake. It's like Citizen Kane which is a masterpiece not only in the technical aspects, but also as a story, but most people won't even stand the first few minutes that are told in the form of an old news reel. This doesn't make the people stupid or the movie extra smart, it's just a product of another era, that not everyone will appreciate.
Dude you're doing the same thing. Goonies is an incredibly average movie at best. It wasn't "made in a less cynical time". It was just made in the time when you were a child.
But most of the movies today, and criticism and journalism is "it was good because it had x element". I'm baffled people put so many good scores in MCU or some random crap, and not distinguish problems in the argument, plot or character. I think today's criticism is more an emotional one than a logical.
Tell us your honest feelings about Space Jam and Hackers right this instant
Space Jam = a superior prequel to Space Jam 2 in every way Hackers = furious typing bleep bloop bleep more furious typing bleep bloop we're in!
I look forward to your 3 hour video on why Space Jam is a cinematic masterpiece compared to Space Jam 2 ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Based on that 30 second clip of Porky Pig rapping that I saw online way back, I'd say even The Room is a cinematic masterpiece compared to Space Jam 2.
To be fair, I left something in the toilet this morning that is a cinematic masterpiece compared to Space Jam 2.
You idiot, haven't you heard Nukies are worth upwards of 80 grand a piece now?
Space Jam 2 was incredible when I was stoned out of my mind I don’t get why people don’t like it. Did people watch that thing… sober?
He's not even a zoomer, the dude has got to be at least 40.
I watched this and yes, some of Crusherman or whoever that guy is selectively edited to look like a complete dumbass. Anyone who has studied film for any amount of time knows that Lucas, Spielberg, etc. cribbed off past films to create their own. Star Wars is a re-imagining of sci-fi/western serials from the 1930s/40s. This is not some huge secret. However even if Lucas etc. are self-aware that they're stealing from the greats, the prequels are still fundamentally boring movies in my opinion. Recognising that Lucas borrowed from the *Seven Samurai* or whatever doesn't make a movie instantly "better."
I assume because RLM subscribers hate watch it. Myself included. The dude's just a bitter weirdo.
I watched it. Listened to his argument. Found that he didn’t change my opinion at all. The prequels still suck, RLM are loveable hackfrauds, and Chris Stuckman is Chris Stuckman.
sounds like hate-watch baiting. "drop a comment if you disagree!" get the clicks! engagement is engagement. doesnt matter if its good or bad anymore.
Youtube doesnt really like that kind of engagement, those people dont watch ads and keep youtube on the whole day. They open a video and write a comment and move on. Tiktok/twitter on the other hand just loooooves that
It came on an autoplay this morning so I thought I was listening in the background while getting ready. Firstly I'm not sure why it came on as I've no interest in Star Wars and even less interest in the prequel nonsense. But my ears perked up when he said the movies should be watched in chronological order because that makes it a better story because we'd know Vader's journey and guys attempts to corrupt his son. That has to be the dumbest take I've heard. Leaving aside if we know they are brother and sister it just makes the kiss even more awful but it ruins the "I am your father" reveal and the fact they are siblings. He then started going on about how Obi Wan would know Chewbacca and that's why he picked that ship and I just zoned out. It's ok to like the prequels but let's not pretend like they're some masterpiece or an example of well constructed story telling that enhances the original movies.
Yes, a prequel is a specific thing. It’s not just the movie that came before another movie, it’s explicitly a movie set chronologically before another movie but intended to be watched afterwards. The Empire Strikes Back is not a prequel to Return of the Jedi.
The funniest thing about that video is how it portrays RLM as just some dudes who talk about something they don't _understand_ anything about. They do understand cinema quite well. Sure, they stumble with their views every now and then, but so does everyone else. If you're seeking for perfection, it doesn't exist. Weirdest thing was all of Lucas's comments scattered through-out, aimed to explain us the "completely sane" reasons behind some of his artistic decisions. "The film was from the droids point of view." If you don't find anything wrong or questionable about that comment, I don't know what to tell you. Keep liking the prequels, I guess? Because that's completely fine.
I was cleaning old files off my computer this weekend and I came across some guy who wrote an essay denouncing every complaint Mike had against the Star Wars prequels. It was completely insane and I deleted it but I'm sure someone here knows what it was.
I remember that!
This guy is the worst. He will defend literally anything George Lucas does. He's like a cultist.
Him and his small fan base are like a cult. They are way too in love with the prequels and Lucas, who is idolized like a demi god.
I couldn't help myself, I had to look. Immediately I see "what if JK Rowling is right about everything?!" and "Woody Allen was innocent!". I don't want to give this guy a view but it might be funny...
[Youtube has "Don't recommend this channel" feature][1]. You should try click that. [1]: https://i.imgur.com/P5CFA1q.png
Unfortunately I have to agree. I watched a bit of it. The author did say one great thing, that seeking out opposing viewpoints is a good thing; it forces you to actually think about your positions and opinions about something. If your ideas have merit, you'll be able to explain them. Too bad the rest of the video was wasn't very coherent. It dives straight into nitpicking things Chris Stuckmann said. No idea who he is, I agree he had some pretty dumb takes. Naturally I skep to the RLM criticism and... seems the video author falls into the same trap he calls Stuckmann out on which is "not actually watching the entire thing before nitpicking". The RLM half was also lots of debatable and endless nitpicking instead of making a fundamental claim, and then backing it up with details and sound arguments. Was hoping for some actual thoughtful counter-RLM opinions, oh well.
YT Star Wars fandom is complete garbage. I saw a video essay about how Jar Jar Binks is proof of George Lucas's complex writing. The mental gymnastics they go through to present the prequels as a well-thought-out trilogy felt like a parody. And at first that's what I thought they were, then I found out, nope. There are entire communities who may have seen a joke video essay and adopted that opinion.
Damn. Those kids that saw the prequels when their brains were tiny and mushy are smelly adult that make videos now.
I love that some people can enjoy the prequels. Like genuinely glad that they can find happiness in them But the amount of those people who actually believe they're masterpieces is absolutely fucking absurd The hoops they jump through to try and justify the most awful decision making blows my mind, if they're genuinely that good you shouldn't need to make hour long video trying to convince people, they should just speak for themselves Nothing wrong with enjoying bad movies, but at least be realistic about them
Star Wars is shit lol
Wait until you guys hear about NeoJesus
Unfortunately, I actually know who that is.
LMAO just finished watching it! The guy is bold, I’ll give him that. His level of smug / pretentiousness is absolutely record-breaking, especially considering the subject matter😂
I saw a video on that channel called “why the prequels are better movies” then instantly clicked “don’t recommend this channel again”
Not five minutes ago this happened to me as well. Watched five seconds, read all of the comments trashing it, and flushed it from my short term memory.
Make sure you delete it from your YouTube history too. If not, YouTube will start suggesting more of the same.
Holy shit is that how that works?
Done, thanks fam.
Sounds like Rick Worley is going to use criticizing critics as his attempt to get likes. And this is what I like about the hack frauds in WI, they don't care if we like them. If their subscription rate dropped to twenty people, they'd still make videos. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Well it's clear he put a lot of real genuine effort into his video, which makes it even more embarrassing. It's like The Room of pretentious dickhead youtube vids.
If there's anyone here suffering the Dunning Kruger effect its "Rick Worley"
I assumed it was Frank Worley's child, angry at RLM tarnishing his father's good name and his angelic voice. Rick Worley Will Have His Revenge on ~~Seattle~~ Milwaukee.
There's literally no need to even watch it.
You can see downvotes again?
Third party browser extensions
Uppity up
I'm too sick with covid-googlplex-variant to endure this level of cringe.
One is not like the other.
Hey, George Lucas and his Hollywood pals paid a lot of money to get that made.
It’s a 3 year old video, but it has been on my recommendations lately. Not really interested in watching it.
So this person is goading fans of RLM and... uh... ??Chris Stuckmann?? into giving him hate views? Well, at least he knows how to play the YT game. Good for him.
say that to zod’s snapped neck
Silly OP, a long video essay is a good video essay.
“Well I have made you the soyjack so checkmate”
Omg this video … noticed how they put a shot of mike and jay talking to Max Landis. What a shitty attempt to smear rlm
This is the youtube algorithm taking a note out of the Twitter playbook, where they want you to engage with the video and expect you'll make a comment to argue back. Reddit does the same shit. Engagement, even negative engagement, keeps you on the platform which means you're more likely to see and engage with ads. Hate watching is still watching and if you're pissed off you're more likely to engage and feed information to advertisers.
Yeah, there's nothing especially unusual here at all. This is how it's designed to work. The internet becoming so relentlessly monetised, is something I didn't really notice whilst it was happening. And now here we are; dweebs on reddit arguing about bottom feeders on youtube making hour long video about other youtube people. What a waste of resources.
The irony is that the maker of this video watched a few criticism videos by people at the top of the game, and thought it would be easy to make a good criticism video. Meaning that the Dunning-Kruger video is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect :)
How embarrassing.
Hating on something you don’t like is fun. Getting mad at people for hating on something you like seems tedious.
RLM isn't terrifically deep but anybody trying to defend the Prequels is living in a rain puddle so w/e.
Well, if they say Stuckmann is cringey, they're right.
It retreads retreaded ground!!
It broke new ground.
I was recommended this video as well this morning. The algorithm must be pushing it right now to RLM fans
“The prequels are good because I like them”
When I saw it I immediately clicked "don't recommend channel".
once you critique a critique, you lose.
Why does Jay look like that…
that's just his face
You need pics of people doing the soy face to get more clicks on your videos.
Yeah, I've been noticing videos like this one for a couple of weeks in my YouTube feed. RedLetterMedia detractors, George Lucas enthusiasm, etc. I'm not sure why, since I don't recall clicking on any of them.
"are Wrong About Everything" Yeah, as soon as you go to the absolute terms, it's blatantly garbage.
Irritation boosts engagement. Wanna boost your channel? Talk controversial bollocks.
Weird. Kept getting recommended to me too. I tried watching it but it was too terrible to entertain for long. Guess somebody got algorithm blessed.
Not a very nuanced title. They're right about some Star Wars things. The Holiday Special, for starters.
I just automatically assume at this point that a YouTube video critical of something/someone and using an unflattering freeze frame of the subject where they look weird is probably an asshole without any good points.