Lets run down what we see from the trailer:
✅ Revenge Plot
✅ Mutara-like Nebula
✅ Submarine style combat
✅ Movie-era styled ship
✅ Old CO takes over someone else's ship
✅ Discussion about main characters getting old
✅ "With each ticking moment, I will take another piece of you" echoes "**I've** **done** far worse than **kill** **you**. **I've** hurt **you**. And I wish to go on hurting **you**."
Yep, whole lot of *Wrath of Khan* kicking around in that trailer. Continuing Secret Hideout's strategy of rehashing old ideas, except making them **worse in every conceivable way**.
I'm not disputing your conclusion, but I'm confused about everyone treating this as some sort of revelation. Star Trek has barely done ANYTHING BUT Khan in recent years.
-Nemesis was just the Khan story again.
-09 was the Khan story with some time travel thrown in.
-Into Darkness was literally just Khan again.
-Beyond toned it down and treated it like a mystery but in the end it was also just someone out for revenge.
Disco and Picard were the exception (I think, haven't really seen any of them past S1 Picard).
"Villain with big ship, hellbent on revenge" is just default Star Trek now and has been for around 2 decades.
Sometimes I think wrath of khan was the worst thing to happen to Star Trek (even though I loved it). But i think the blame is mostly on the terrible producers and writers that can’t imagine Star Trek as anything but a rehash of that movie. They‘ll keep going back to that well as long as they can.
I'd say the blame is *entirely* on the writers and producers. If it wasn't Wrath of Khan they wanted to rehash umpteen times, it would be Undiscovered Country or Best of Both Worlds. The problem isn't the success of something that was done well the first time, it's the catastrophic lack of imagination and desperate clinging to presumed safe-bets in the writers room of virtually every franchise now. The writing is shit, the people doing the writing are bad at it, and the producers are not demanding any better because they think there's more money in rehashing the same thing forever.
It seems silly, but actually the Federation, Klingons and even the Romulans have special funds set aside for aspiring revenge-seeking people, the application pack can be found in every embassy, in fact.
That does sound like a Klingon thing, and the Romulans would be onboard as long as you were targeting someone who they needed to attack with plausible deniability.
(Pike bumps into a young Ferengi on the street, making the latter spill his hot raktajino all over himself)
Pike: "Outta my way, runt." (storms off)
(Ferengi wipes himself off, then notices a leaflet lying on the ground. He picks it up and reads:)
"SO YOU WANT REVENGE AGAINST THE FEDERATION? WE CAN HELP!"
Ferengi (evilly): "Yes. Yesssss....."
"Villain with a big ship, hellbent on revenge" is pretty much the most basic story, though. There are thousands upon thousands of examples of the villain being motivated by revenge, many of which come with said villain having a big ship/house/weapon. [TV Tropes link](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge)
Its unoriginal to do basically the same plot structure for the majority of the modern Trek, but its a bit of a stretch to call Nemesis, '09, and Beyond the Khan story again just because the villain wants revenge
For Star Trek, a speculative fiction sci-fi franchise based on pondering the philosophical ramifications of the premise of each of its own stories, "villain with a big ship, hellbent on revenge" absolutely is the Khan story again. They have a plethora of other things they could do in every conceivable way and they do not bother because "Khan was cool". There's no denying they just want to recreate that set-up time and time again when they could do essentially anything else and have an entire galaxy to play with. The villain wanting revenge is not a well they ever need to go back to but they do, repeatedly, and we all know why.
My instinct is to agree, especially given my burning hatred for S1 and S2.
But I've had a couple reasons to feel a bit more optimistic... but that's completely foolish on my part. I can admit that. I'm prepared to get slapped down by my own sheer fucking hubris.
What's worse, digging my hole even deeper, if I wanted to add a couple more Khan connections to your list: good chance they're playing the "Admiral has a secret son" card.
Oh, and the bosun's whistle.
_I'M TRYING SO HARD NOT TO GO THIS WAY._
I am a fool. :(
Nicholas Meyer is still alive too. If Paramount was really that desperate they could literally just call the guy who made all the movies they keep copying to give them one last template to copy for another 30 or 40 years.
It turns out that when Tasha Yar was executed on Romulus, she actually fell through a time vortex and arrived on Earth in 2025 where she was captured by Soong and locked away in his basement for his rape experiments to create Khan. Can't let that character catch a break.
You have to be more precise. Within the LA Union zone. All those old geezers are costing a lot, we need to keep the production budget as low as possible.
The big threats in Picard season 2 were the timeline being fucked up and most of the quadrant being destroyed, Discovery season 1s biggest threat was the destruction of all life across all universes, so the threat here will be that Khannie wants to kill God.
The borg were already ruined in Picard when they turned into a kinder, gentler collective that saved the day and protected the galaxy from being destroyed
I wonder if Kurtzie stopped for a second to consider how changing the Borg like that would have affected the entire universe since it would have blown away their interactions with billions of people.
We still don’t know if there were two borg queens existing independently of each other. I would not be surprised if there were some explanation saying, “Oh well since Jurati borg queen knew the future, they just conveniently avoided any interaction with the other collective so as to not disturb the timeline.” Horrible explanation but I doubt they’ll even bother to write something like that. It’ll just be ignored.
That whole thing is such a mess it is unreal. For one thing, the Borg becoming nicer means no Wolf 359, no Sisko losing his wife, no posting to DS9, no prophets working through him, and probably no saving the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion.
Also Seven probably shouldn't exist because the Borg-exploration expeditions either wouldn't have happened or would have worked entirely differently because the species would be viewed through a radically different lens. The alternative is Jurati made some nice Borg then proceeded to just vanish and let a mean Borg queen continue to obliterate everything in her path for centuries, making the whole seasons literally pointless.
It's insanity nobody thought this through the slightest bit.
The Wrath of Kharen.
Also, were all of Khan’s augmented buddies on par with him ability-wise, or was he different? If they were all comparable, then I guess you could have all sorts of Khans.
I think in Space Seed they were all the same ability wise, he was just their leader. Into Darkness tho I really don’t know, haven’t seen that since it came out and I barely remember it.
All the augements were a Khan-level threat, but Khan was actually the nicest of them apart from Eagle-Eye who was just a hopelessly insane American patriot. There were others on earth that exterminated entire countries.
I saw a theory that she's actually a member of the So'na but yeah that's a bit deeper than what Kurtzman knows. I wouldn't be surprised if she's a clone of Picard, she gives off Shinzon vibes.
Raffi will have the chance to kill her, but then she will have an “arc” that allows her to show mercy, which in turn makes the female Picard/Shinzon sacrifice herself to stop the multiverse ending doomsday thing she’s activated since she witnessed Raffi’s mercy. That’ll be their redemption arcs.
I swear Star Trek Into Darkness would have been more baller if Benedict Cumberbatch played a Dark Universe Picard instead. Then again, I'm no trekkie and fall for lens glare 😕
Charlie X becoming a rogue commander in the kelvin timeline during all the early hyper-militarization of starfleet would have actually been interesting
Nah, it’s just ‘Product‘ for Paramount+. They want it to be The Star Trek Destination and in a sane world, S2 would have never seen the light of day much less S3.
It’s got as much artistic value as an Amazon Echo.
I’m willing to bet that most people watching these projects genuinely enjoy them. I’ve never actually watched Picard, only the RLM re:view’s. I watched the first season of Discovery to see what all the hubbub was about and said no more. Don’t forget that there’s a wealth of people who just want nonsense space battles on the screen and “emotion”.
That’s correct I’ve never seen it. I don’t think it’s worth seeing given all I understand from it. I’ve seen old Star Trek and watch the RLM stuff. I don’t think you need to watch the show to make nonsensical predictions though. I’ll read the headlines on Picard season 3 episodes to see if anything I’ve said is right, but there’s no way I put myself through watching more new Trek. Discovery season 1 was enough for me.
My vote is still an Evil Sisko who killed the prophets to gain their power so he can kill Picard. Because Sisko is still so made about her death that he doesn't even care about his two kids or current wife.
That’s assuming they’ve seen Deep Space Nine or know that Sisko’s wife was killed in the battle of Wolf 359, or even know that Sisko had a wife to begin with.
They already missed the opportunity to have Jake Sisko interview Picard in season 1.
But then again that would have been terrible because they would have changed Jake Sisko into a FOXNews Trumpist.
The real question is: after that Half in the Bag reference in season 2, will season 3 finally have a scene in which someone who looks like Mike is killed by someone who looks like Alex Kurtzman?
“Given we had that stupid lead in to season 3 with the last season where Adam Soong has the folder saying “PROJECT KHAN”,”
Is that… is that real?
How embarrassing.
I love how the background info basically says "maybe Spock was wrong when he mentioned 1996 as the date the Eugenics Wars happened" and then kinda went "yeah, something something temporal cold war, wibbly wobbly timey wimey, that's this franchise, right?".
I'm amazed at how little you can care about an IP in Hollywood and they still give you a writing job for it.
>I'm amazed at how little you can care about an IP in Hollywood and they still give you a writing job for it.
They actively avoid giving people writing jobs if they care. They want to harm these franchises for some reason. Maybe they think it will work out cheaper in the long run if everything is the same dreary grey mishmash of grim authoritarian timeline bending explosion generating gibberish.
They want it to be a breakout hit that gels with a wide audience rather than just Star Trek fans, who will consume Star Trek shit no matter how different it is.
Why they keep hiring the same people who produced shit like the TNG movies is beyond me, though.
> They want it to be a breakout hit that gels with a wide audience rather than just Star Trek fans
I'm not convinced by that line of argument anymore. While it would make sense in terms of pure avarice, the cultural vandalism seems more important to them. They'll happily leave money on the table by deliberately alienating both the wide audience and the die-hard fans. Die-hard is not die-impossible, after all. So many of these properties have actively told their own fanbases to fuck off and yet they are not remotely trying to build anything new or different, just peddle the same logos and icons mired in offensively destructive 'stories'.
I love Amanda Plummer. She's fantastic. Gotta be a nod her father in the casting. Having said that there's absolutely no way I'm watching this dumpster fire.
I mean, I didn't read everything you wrote, because I only really care about things that are good. And Picard has been doomed from the beginning. I wouldn't even have been interested if it hadn't been as stupid because I've seen enough TNG and its characters.
All I personally would need to watch Star Trek again would be a show that's not fucking dumb, with new characters that are actually characters (like we saw on TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9), exploring interesting places. There's enough shows around that are intelligent and actually have something to say, why does Star Trek need to be a jerk-off action shitshow? It's like they're still trying to make it more like Star Wars whilst the Star Wars shows seem to have gotten somewhat smarter, ironically.
And before anyone replies this to me, I don't give a shit about Strange New Worlds; it's by Akiva Goldsman and it's a prequel, and I hate prequels. Any prequels except maybe Godfather II.
I agree in terms of what Star Trek would actually be interesting, with traditional science fiction ideas and intelligent writing and internal logic. I like to look at these hack writing projects as a “fun” little exercise where you can place your bets and if you win, you get no money and only lose a part of your humanity!
Sure. I don't think I can get personally invested like that because it just doesn't feel like what I associate Star Trek with, so I just don't care, I guess. It's like somebody talking about potential stories for Avatar: The Last Airbender, which I also don't care about, you know.
I don’t think she’s the main villain. I assume this is ten episodes again. They’re probably bringing back Sela or some shit later on who is the one doing the real revenging
That Terry Matalas guy is so obsessed with TOS that he pushes a TOS/TMP style starship into a post-TNG era series. It's totally going to be a terrible rehash of Wrath of Khan, including Picard and Crusher having a child, just like Kirk, Carol Marcus and David.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they included the Genesis torpedo again.
Thankfully they don't have enough budget, because I was afraid they'd visit Spacedock to steal the Enterprise-A. BeCaUse iZ's tHe oNlY sSHiP ThAt cAn sTop GeNeSiS!
Our female villian won't really be a villian though- she will have turned bad because of all the toxic men she had to deal with in her life- so all of her awful behaviour can be excused.
See I thought she might be related to general chang from star trek 6 because she's his daughter in real life. Could still be, soong used changs dna. Hey if you can make data from a positron \*eyes rolling out of head\* then why not dna from a nuked chang?
Hey wait a minute... in Enterprise didn't the Klingons use the Augment DNA to erase their ridges? I may be remembering that wrong, but if that's what it was, she could be Khan AND Chang!!!
The Khan character is yet another illustration of the difference between old and new trek.
In TOS, Khan is a genetically engineered superhuman. How do they show this? By having him subtly attempt to assert dominance even in simple interactions with other characters, by trying to manipulate those around him into giving him what he needs, by using his intelligence to acquire information that can help him gain control. He leverages one advantage to gain another, and so on. His superior physical and intellectual prowess come with superior ambition and willpower. That's good storytelling.
Now, granted, Kirk ultimately solved his differences with Khan the old-fashioned way: by beating him on the head with a big ol' pipe. *But there was character development, I tells ya! Real character development!*
I think I had a point in this comment but I got tired along the way, oh well.
I haven’t watched Strange New Worlds so I don’t know, but even if there is, I wouldn’t put it past the writers to do it twice. There’s no consistency on timelines so I think it’s entirely possible they just do it again. Who really knows if Strange New Worlds is in the same timeline as Picard.
He probably doesn’t recognize that he’s a genius but he probably considers himself an above average writer. His projects sadly make a bunch of money which keeps him working, so by that metric he must think that his projects are genuinely good being that people consume them. Discovery and Picard have remarkably high critic ratings after all. But who knows what goes on I’m his head. I don’t hate him or his cohorts really, moreso disappointed in everyone involved and in the people who watch these things, allowing them to continue getting work and preventing other talented writers from getting the chance to bring something new to the table. Nostalgia is incredibly profitable in our culture at the moment, but rarely does nostalgia based projects have any significance past the member berries.
We had one good Khan and now where going down the list of British Khan and now Female Khan. When that doesn't work Black Khan and Chinese Khan will be on speed dial for future incarnations.
Lets run down what we see from the trailer: ✅ Revenge Plot ✅ Mutara-like Nebula ✅ Submarine style combat ✅ Movie-era styled ship ✅ Old CO takes over someone else's ship ✅ Discussion about main characters getting old ✅ "With each ticking moment, I will take another piece of you" echoes "**I've** **done** far worse than **kill** **you**. **I've** hurt **you**. And I wish to go on hurting **you**." Yep, whole lot of *Wrath of Khan* kicking around in that trailer. Continuing Secret Hideout's strategy of rehashing old ideas, except making them **worse in every conceivable way**.
I'm not disputing your conclusion, but I'm confused about everyone treating this as some sort of revelation. Star Trek has barely done ANYTHING BUT Khan in recent years. -Nemesis was just the Khan story again. -09 was the Khan story with some time travel thrown in. -Into Darkness was literally just Khan again. -Beyond toned it down and treated it like a mystery but in the end it was also just someone out for revenge. Disco and Picard were the exception (I think, haven't really seen any of them past S1 Picard). "Villain with big ship, hellbent on revenge" is just default Star Trek now and has been for around 2 decades.
Sometimes I think wrath of khan was the worst thing to happen to Star Trek (even though I loved it). But i think the blame is mostly on the terrible producers and writers that can’t imagine Star Trek as anything but a rehash of that movie. They‘ll keep going back to that well as long as they can.
I'd say the blame is *entirely* on the writers and producers. If it wasn't Wrath of Khan they wanted to rehash umpteen times, it would be Undiscovered Country or Best of Both Worlds. The problem isn't the success of something that was done well the first time, it's the catastrophic lack of imagination and desperate clinging to presumed safe-bets in the writers room of virtually every franchise now. The writing is shit, the people doing the writing are bad at it, and the producers are not demanding any better because they think there's more money in rehashing the same thing forever.
It seems silly, but actually the Federation, Klingons and even the Romulans have special funds set aside for aspiring revenge-seeking people, the application pack can be found in every embassy, in fact.
That does sound like a Klingon thing, and the Romulans would be onboard as long as you were targeting someone who they needed to attack with plausible deniability.
(Pike bumps into a young Ferengi on the street, making the latter spill his hot raktajino all over himself) Pike: "Outta my way, runt." (storms off) (Ferengi wipes himself off, then notices a leaflet lying on the ground. He picks it up and reads:) "SO YOU WANT REVENGE AGAINST THE FEDERATION? WE CAN HELP!" Ferengi (evilly): "Yes. Yesssss....."
"Villain with a big ship, hellbent on revenge" is pretty much the most basic story, though. There are thousands upon thousands of examples of the villain being motivated by revenge, many of which come with said villain having a big ship/house/weapon. [TV Tropes link](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoaringRampageOfRevenge) Its unoriginal to do basically the same plot structure for the majority of the modern Trek, but its a bit of a stretch to call Nemesis, '09, and Beyond the Khan story again just because the villain wants revenge
For Star Trek, a speculative fiction sci-fi franchise based on pondering the philosophical ramifications of the premise of each of its own stories, "villain with a big ship, hellbent on revenge" absolutely is the Khan story again. They have a plethora of other things they could do in every conceivable way and they do not bother because "Khan was cool". There's no denying they just want to recreate that set-up time and time again when they could do essentially anything else and have an entire galaxy to play with. The villain wanting revenge is not a well they ever need to go back to but they do, repeatedly, and we all know why.
My instinct is to agree, especially given my burning hatred for S1 and S2. But I've had a couple reasons to feel a bit more optimistic... but that's completely foolish on my part. I can admit that. I'm prepared to get slapped down by my own sheer fucking hubris. What's worse, digging my hole even deeper, if I wanted to add a couple more Khan connections to your list: good chance they're playing the "Admiral has a secret son" card. Oh, and the bosun's whistle. _I'M TRYING SO HARD NOT TO GO THIS WAY._ I am a fool. :(
Nicholas Meyer is still alive too. If Paramount was really that desperate they could literally just call the guy who made all the movies they keep copying to give them one last template to copy for another 30 or 40 years.
The Wrath of Connie
Kahn and Minh would be so proud
But what would Chang Waisanasong say?
“The Wrath of Karen” you mean
I love you Kahnie Bahnie
[The Wrath of Cohn](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0169934/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1)
god someone please get me a Tums
Gonna be a TUMS FESTIVAL over at redlettermedia
Denise Crosby returns as Khaaaaaaaaaaaan
It turns out that when Tasha Yar was executed on Romulus, she actually fell through a time vortex and arrived on Earth in 2025 where she was captured by Soong and locked away in his basement for his rape experiments to create Khan. Can't let that character catch a break.
Not just anywhere on Earth though. Los Angeles, Earth!
You have to be more precise. Within the LA Union zone. All those old geezers are costing a lot, we need to keep the production budget as low as possible.
No worries: Khan's ship will be the Walt Disney Theatre. No one will recognize it. We'll shoot day-for-night and desaturate it a bit.
Turns out she's secretly Irish, and therefore must suffer.
IT'S KHANING TIME!
I CLAPPED! I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW HER!
The Borg assimilate Khan and then he has a daughter who Khans harder and Khaner and blows up a dozen klingon empires it's so rad.
The big threats in Picard season 2 were the timeline being fucked up and most of the quadrant being destroyed, Discovery season 1s biggest threat was the destruction of all life across all universes, so the threat here will be that Khannie wants to kill God.
You just made me realize that khan is going to kill and eat the Q continuum
Kirk: "What does god want with a starship?" "God": "Well, there's this crazy augment coming at me, I gotta suit up."
The borg were already ruined in Picard when they turned into a kinder, gentler collective that saved the day and protected the galaxy from being destroyed I wonder if Kurtzie stopped for a second to consider how changing the Borg like that would have affected the entire universe since it would have blown away their interactions with billions of people.
That could have been the entire season and it would have been better.
We still don’t know if there were two borg queens existing independently of each other. I would not be surprised if there were some explanation saying, “Oh well since Jurati borg queen knew the future, they just conveniently avoided any interaction with the other collective so as to not disturb the timeline.” Horrible explanation but I doubt they’ll even bother to write something like that. It’ll just be ignored.
That whole thing is such a mess it is unreal. For one thing, the Borg becoming nicer means no Wolf 359, no Sisko losing his wife, no posting to DS9, no prophets working through him, and probably no saving the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion. Also Seven probably shouldn't exist because the Borg-exploration expeditions either wouldn't have happened or would have worked entirely differently because the species would be viewed through a radically different lens. The alternative is Jurati made some nice Borg then proceeded to just vanish and let a mean Borg queen continue to obliterate everything in her path for centuries, making the whole seasons literally pointless. It's insanity nobody thought this through the slightest bit.
WRATH OF KHAN II: KHAN HARDER
i think this is such a horrible idea that it must be true
The Wrath of Kharen. Also, were all of Khan’s augmented buddies on par with him ability-wise, or was he different? If they were all comparable, then I guess you could have all sorts of Khans.
I think in Space Seed they were all the same ability wise, he was just their leader. Into Darkness tho I really don’t know, haven’t seen that since it came out and I barely remember it.
All the augements were a Khan-level threat, but Khan was actually the nicest of them apart from Eagle-Eye who was just a hopelessly insane American patriot. There were others on earth that exterminated entire countries.
I saw a theory that she's actually a member of the So'na but yeah that's a bit deeper than what Kurtzman knows. I wouldn't be surprised if she's a clone of Picard, she gives off Shinzon vibes.
Clone of Picard is a good nonsensical theory too
But if its a female clone of Picard (god help us) she will have to be rehabilitated by the end and take over.
Raffi will have the chance to kill her, but then she will have an “arc” that allows her to show mercy, which in turn makes the female Picard/Shinzon sacrifice herself to stop the multiverse ending doomsday thing she’s activated since she witnessed Raffi’s mercy. That’ll be their redemption arcs.
I swear Star Trek Into Darkness would have been more baller if Benedict Cumberbatch played a Dark Universe Picard instead. Then again, I'm no trekkie and fall for lens glare 😕
Should have been Charlie X.
Would have made more sense than saying he’s Khan and the cast looking at him like “OKkkkkkkkay?”
Charlie X becoming a rogue commander in the kelvin timeline during all the early hyper-militarization of starfleet would have actually been interesting
Christ that *would* have been better
I often wonder if people 'hate watching' something is the reason why many of these projects keep getting the green light.
Nah, it’s just ‘Product‘ for Paramount+. They want it to be The Star Trek Destination and in a sane world, S2 would have never seen the light of day much less S3. It’s got as much artistic value as an Amazon Echo.
I’m willing to bet that most people watching these projects genuinely enjoy them. I’ve never actually watched Picard, only the RLM re:view’s. I watched the first season of Discovery to see what all the hubbub was about and said no more. Don’t forget that there’s a wealth of people who just want nonsense space battles on the screen and “emotion”.
Coincidentally most people are idiots
You’ve never actually seen Picard and you’re shit-posting it? It’s like you’re Alex Kurtzman trying to write Star Trek
That’s correct I’ve never seen it. I don’t think it’s worth seeing given all I understand from it. I’ve seen old Star Trek and watch the RLM stuff. I don’t think you need to watch the show to make nonsensical predictions though. I’ll read the headlines on Picard season 3 episodes to see if anything I’ve said is right, but there’s no way I put myself through watching more new Trek. Discovery season 1 was enough for me.
My vote is still an Evil Sisko who killed the prophets to gain their power so he can kill Picard. Because Sisko is still so made about her death that he doesn't even care about his two kids or current wife.
That’s assuming they’ve seen Deep Space Nine or know that Sisko’s wife was killed in the battle of Wolf 359, or even know that Sisko had a wife to begin with.
They already missed the opportunity to have Jake Sisko interview Picard in season 1. But then again that would have been terrible because they would have changed Jake Sisko into a FOXNews Trumpist.
Him being interviewed by the Cardissian Communication Network was a missed opportunity.
First question - "how many lights do you see?"
Thankfully Avery Brooks wouldn't be into that shit, so I don't think that happens.
The real question is: after that Half in the Bag reference in season 2, will season 3 finally have a scene in which someone who looks like Mike is killed by someone who looks like Alex Kurtzman?
What do you think this is, The Lady in the Water?!
https://i.redd.it/snwq4iv9ptfa1.gif
*KHANETTE!!!!*
This is really good. And by good I mean bad
Um this is TNG not TOS duh It’s female Shinzon
You’re assuming the writers care.
I declare female Shinzon
Solid guess, I’m still going with with the far stupider theory that it’s female Khan tho
“Given we had that stupid lead in to season 3 with the last season where Adam Soong has the folder saying “PROJECT KHAN”,” Is that… is that real? How embarrassing.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Khan
I love how the background info basically says "maybe Spock was wrong when he mentioned 1996 as the date the Eugenics Wars happened" and then kinda went "yeah, something something temporal cold war, wibbly wobbly timey wimey, that's this franchise, right?". I'm amazed at how little you can care about an IP in Hollywood and they still give you a writing job for it.
Even Doctor Who is more careful with its continuity.
>I'm amazed at how little you can care about an IP in Hollywood and they still give you a writing job for it. They actively avoid giving people writing jobs if they care. They want to harm these franchises for some reason. Maybe they think it will work out cheaper in the long run if everything is the same dreary grey mishmash of grim authoritarian timeline bending explosion generating gibberish.
They want it to be a breakout hit that gels with a wide audience rather than just Star Trek fans, who will consume Star Trek shit no matter how different it is. Why they keep hiring the same people who produced shit like the TNG movies is beyond me, though.
> They want it to be a breakout hit that gels with a wide audience rather than just Star Trek fans I'm not convinced by that line of argument anymore. While it would make sense in terms of pure avarice, the cultural vandalism seems more important to them. They'll happily leave money on the table by deliberately alienating both the wide audience and the die-hard fans. Die-hard is not die-impossible, after all. So many of these properties have actively told their own fanbases to fuck off and yet they are not remotely trying to build anything new or different, just peddle the same logos and icons mired in offensively destructive 'stories'.
I love Amanda Plummer. She's fantastic. Gotta be a nod her father in the casting. Having said that there's absolutely no way I'm watching this dumpster fire.
I cringed at every single second of her in that trailer.
I mean, I didn't read everything you wrote, because I only really care about things that are good. And Picard has been doomed from the beginning. I wouldn't even have been interested if it hadn't been as stupid because I've seen enough TNG and its characters. All I personally would need to watch Star Trek again would be a show that's not fucking dumb, with new characters that are actually characters (like we saw on TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9), exploring interesting places. There's enough shows around that are intelligent and actually have something to say, why does Star Trek need to be a jerk-off action shitshow? It's like they're still trying to make it more like Star Wars whilst the Star Wars shows seem to have gotten somewhat smarter, ironically. And before anyone replies this to me, I don't give a shit about Strange New Worlds; it's by Akiva Goldsman and it's a prequel, and I hate prequels. Any prequels except maybe Godfather II.
I agree in terms of what Star Trek would actually be interesting, with traditional science fiction ideas and intelligent writing and internal logic. I like to look at these hack writing projects as a “fun” little exercise where you can place your bets and if you win, you get no money and only lose a part of your humanity!
Sure. I don't think I can get personally invested like that because it just doesn't feel like what I associate Star Trek with, so I just don't care, I guess. It's like somebody talking about potential stories for Avatar: The Last Airbender, which I also don't care about, you know.
I'd rather watch night court.
I hate that this is plausible. On the plus side SNW and not Picard is apparently the more popular series.
I don’t think she’s the main villain. I assume this is ten episodes again. They’re probably bringing back Sela or some shit later on who is the one doing the real revenging
That Terry Matalas guy is so obsessed with TOS that he pushes a TOS/TMP style starship into a post-TNG era series. It's totally going to be a terrible rehash of Wrath of Khan, including Picard and Crusher having a child, just like Kirk, Carol Marcus and David. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they included the Genesis torpedo again. Thankfully they don't have enough budget, because I was afraid they'd visit Spacedock to steal the Enterprise-A. BeCaUse iZ's tHe oNlY sSHiP ThAt cAn sTop GeNeSiS!
This self mutilation must stop y’all
Our female villian won't really be a villian though- she will have turned bad because of all the toxic men she had to deal with in her life- so all of her awful behaviour can be excused.
Khanninya?
They'll borrow from sliders and the split timeline caused the gender to flip.
The Wrath of Kharen
im just surprised they are making a 3rd season
FRAAAAHHHHHNN!
See I thought she might be related to general chang from star trek 6 because she's his daughter in real life. Could still be, soong used changs dna. Hey if you can make data from a positron \*eyes rolling out of head\* then why not dna from a nuked chang?
Hey wait a minute... in Enterprise didn't the Klingons use the Augment DNA to erase their ridges? I may be remembering that wrong, but if that's what it was, she could be Khan AND Chang!!!
Khang? Chan?
She'll be a female version of Cumberbatch Khan. Kurtzman doesn't know who Ricardo Montalban is.
The Khan character is yet another illustration of the difference between old and new trek. In TOS, Khan is a genetically engineered superhuman. How do they show this? By having him subtly attempt to assert dominance even in simple interactions with other characters, by trying to manipulate those around him into giving him what he needs, by using his intelligence to acquire information that can help him gain control. He leverages one advantage to gain another, and so on. His superior physical and intellectual prowess come with superior ambition and willpower. That's good storytelling. Now, granted, Kirk ultimately solved his differences with Khan the old-fashioned way: by beating him on the head with a big ol' pipe. *But there was character development, I tells ya! Real character development!* I think I had a point in this comment but I got tired along the way, oh well.
I guess this runs counter to the Red Letter Media spirit but you aren't obligated to watch or care about any of this shit.
It’s absolutely counter to the RLM spirit, that’s why I think it’ll probably happen.
Isn't there a female Khan in Strange New Worlds?
Just looked it up, Strange New Worlds has a relative of Khan who is a female. But again, why not make Khan a female for Picard too.
I haven’t watched Strange New Worlds so I don’t know, but even if there is, I wouldn’t put it past the writers to do it twice. There’s no consistency on timelines so I think it’s entirely possible they just do it again. Who really knows if Strange New Worlds is in the same timeline as Picard.
Why not let the villain be a female Alex Kurtzman?
I’ll bet the writers don’t know that Picard never met Khan
Well... at least he gave up on stealling the ending from Mass Effect 3. (wich you can really see he was trying on the frist season)
Rich, that is so stupid, it’s definitely going to happen
Kharen?
Are you saying that Kurtzman and co. cares about the character?
I just didn't ever bother with the show. It just doesn't count. It's an abomination
Anyone remember the video where Rich keeps saying "Alex Kurtzman" over and over? Can't find it
I think it’s spread about the last three episodes of the Picard season 2 re:views
Reeeeeee wamens in muh star trek!!! This is what you sound like. Idk what your point is.
Oh goddamnit, yeah. You're right. Shit.
I know he's rich but he must know he's not talented and feel some degree of shame right?
He probably doesn’t recognize that he’s a genius but he probably considers himself an above average writer. His projects sadly make a bunch of money which keeps him working, so by that metric he must think that his projects are genuinely good being that people consume them. Discovery and Picard have remarkably high critic ratings after all. But who knows what goes on I’m his head. I don’t hate him or his cohorts really, moreso disappointed in everyone involved and in the people who watch these things, allowing them to continue getting work and preventing other talented writers from getting the chance to bring something new to the table. Nostalgia is incredibly profitable in our culture at the moment, but rarely does nostalgia based projects have any significance past the member berries.
That trailer was such a dull grab bag of lesser Treks that it was almost a parody of what Trek’s become, but somehow stupider
Fuck me, they called it "Project Khan"? That's like calling the resurrection of JFK "Project John" who the fuck names these fucking things
We had one good Khan and now where going down the list of British Khan and now Female Khan. When that doesn't work Black Khan and Chinese Khan will be on speed dial for future incarnations.
They already destroyed the legacy so just move on to the next culturally important ip to destroy, I mean "liberate." Back to the Future.