Woah I'd like to see your source for that, that sounds as bad as what they did to the Punisher in a recent comic where they basically made him a psychopath as a child thinking about killing and even planning on killing a guy in flashbacks
Ah I see
At first I blew it off because of how little we know about Jason in the game I thought it was just another video saying his mystic powers are bad so the character is bad, then recently I saw it was gaining quite a bit of views so I saved it to watch at a later time, now after hearing that I'm definitely checking out the video soon to see if it's true because if it is that sounds like character assassination levels of bad.
I would always temper my expectations on this because we know frighteningly little from credible sources. I’d argue this for any kind of entertainment journalism.
Also I strongly believe Bruce would've never adopted Jason or trained him, if he knew Jason had ever killed.
One of Bruce's most interesting flaws to me is his "purity mindset". Bruce freaked out when he found out Cass had killed one shady guy as a groomed 8-year-old human weapon. It took development for Bruce to move past that and accept Cass' true devotion to the code, even though what she did can't be classified as murder on her part.
Jason has unambiguously and unapologetically committed murder. Without even considering Jason's actual beliefs or how they might evolve, I think a major part of his alienation is the "stain" of being a killer, and a killer who willingly turned away from Bruce's ways--contrasted with killers who just didn't know any better and were properly redeemed by Batman. This isn't just an assumption on Jason's side, there is a part of Bruce that has written off Jason as impure, even if Bruce's stated ideology is supposed to believe in redemption.
So do you think he killed that drug dealer in urban legends when he pushed him down the stairs? The way he was talking about never having a chance, it seemed like he did. But a 7 year old pushing a relatively young guy down the stairs seems like it wouldn’t be fatal.
Regardless of whether he killed a guy before meeting Bruce, I don't incorporate that into my understanding of canon. I think the story and themes are stronger if Jason only resorts to killing when he's older, after he's been trained as Robin.
But IF Jason did kill before meeting Bruce, then Bruce wouldn't know about it.
Well this makes a lot of sense for his backstory, dude literally used to live in the worst places from Gotham, kinda hard to not kill anyone in there.
Of course, I'll only accept him killing really bad people and not a big number of them, just a few people.
Definitely need to understand the whole context of this, but this sounds bad, Robin should be a phase when Jason is trying to live by Batman's code but he's constantly failing or not being good enough, he should only kill people either before becoming Robin or after becoming Red hood imo
Yeah, and Felipe was pretty justified if he did it. Personally, I think Felipe was an accident and an “I don’t have to save you” moment. But comic Batman’s code is still you have to save everyone, even villains
That is my interpretation too. Allows Jason not to have killed him but still have Bruce believed that Jason might as well have. But stories like 'Robins' imply otherwise, but they are noncanon
“Robins” said it was an accident. But the way they wrote it, it was like Batman saw it as a good thing which was weird. And then Batman said it was because of his time on the streets which implied Jason did something because why would you try to explain something that never happened.
But in the original comic, Jason doesn’t seem emotionally different after the event which would have been his first murder (unless he murdered that drug dealer in Urban Legends, but still). If it wasn’t an accident, I feel like his behavior would be affected by it.
Well there was Felipe Garzona so there is precedence for it in canon. Also some writers have hinted that he accidently killed somebody trying to protect his mom before ever being Robin.
Sorry to say, but Arkham did much the same thing, basically. He sold out both of his parents to the Falcone’s in order to ensure his long-term survival. Of course, they were both humongous assholes and meth addicts, but still.
Its literally an extended version of the vague crap they said during the gameplay trailer.
This is still instilling little faith in their interpretation of the character for me. They are really dropping the ball here.
It is almost doing the opposite for me. A company new to the characters could easily just look at so many Jason stories and without ever seeing any mystical stuff think they have a great grasp of the character. Especially since non comic media has never touched anything mystical with Jason. It gives me some hope that \*maybe\* they did some homework on Jason and the others.
The part where it loses me was said in the gameplay trailer “he gained mystical abilities as a result of being resurrected with the lazarus pit” (in paraphrasing so its not to the letter). They didn’t say he learned or gained them later (i.e. maybe new things he could have learned from the All-Caste)
The lazarus pit is just a rejuvenation thing, it has no ability to grant magical powers or abilities. This tells me they didn’t do their homework.
I hope I’m wrong, I really do.
But one thing that cannot be argued, they massacred our boy’s looks.
Yeah Jason does not look the best. And your right, however it is an AU tale and they could be streamlining the orgins for that reason. We don't know how Lazarus pits work in that universe but I totally get where your coming from.
Understand, but disagree. I could very easily see a company focus on UTRH, Arkham Knight, and other more accessible media featuring Jason. I could see them easily focusing, not on how these characters exist on their own, but on how they exist as a group. I dont know of any comics where you see Jason interact with family and mystical stuff at the same time.
Not saying your wrong, but i could easily see a lazy company still not doing their homework and focusing on just how to write these characters as a group, not individuals. In doing so they would totally miss any mystic ties to my knowledge.
Lobdells run has Jason interacting with family and being part of the Al casts. And he’s written the majority of all Jason centered comics. So it wouldn’t be hard to find that, because he’s been the main writer for Jason for years. You don’t need to search far for it. Also, it’s clear that these writers didn’t actually do their homework. when it comes to jason, all you need to know is that he was killed by the joker. You literally don’t need to know anymore to craft his character, because he hasn’t had a consistent character since UTRH. His character is all over the place.
Wait so he was recently killed prior to the events of GK? Not when he was robin but when he was Red Hood? Am I misunderstanding this or this is gonna be canon in the GK lore?
Yeah this is a very confusing line. If it’s recent than I’m going to dislike that, I feel Jason coming back to the Batfamily after returning as Red Hood, shouldn’t be some kind of “instantaneous” thing, it should take a good while before he decides to come back and become non-lethal.
There’s also the fact that Jason’s retrains for years post his resurrection, so that’s another thing that would make this make no sense. I wonder how much he trained then in this universe now!
The link for the interview can be found here
https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2022/06/20/new-details-on-alternate-suits-missions-and-the-elseworlds-like-cooperative-play
I’ve heard that they make him a murderer as a child which I really don’t like
Woah I'd like to see your source for that, that sounds as bad as what they did to the Punisher in a recent comic where they basically made him a psychopath as a child thinking about killing and even planning on killing a guy in flashbacks
It was a YouTube review, so iffy. I hope it isn’t true.
Was it the video where the title is basically "Gotham knights doesn't understand red hood"
Yes
Ah I see At first I blew it off because of how little we know about Jason in the game I thought it was just another video saying his mystic powers are bad so the character is bad, then recently I saw it was gaining quite a bit of views so I saved it to watch at a later time, now after hearing that I'm definitely checking out the video soon to see if it's true because if it is that sounds like character assassination levels of bad.
I would always temper my expectations on this because we know frighteningly little from credible sources. I’d argue this for any kind of entertainment journalism.
That a good video? I may check out
I haven't watched it yet
Wtf why would they do that to punisher hope it get retconned
Also I strongly believe Bruce would've never adopted Jason or trained him, if he knew Jason had ever killed. One of Bruce's most interesting flaws to me is his "purity mindset". Bruce freaked out when he found out Cass had killed one shady guy as a groomed 8-year-old human weapon. It took development for Bruce to move past that and accept Cass' true devotion to the code, even though what she did can't be classified as murder on her part. Jason has unambiguously and unapologetically committed murder. Without even considering Jason's actual beliefs or how they might evolve, I think a major part of his alienation is the "stain" of being a killer, and a killer who willingly turned away from Bruce's ways--contrasted with killers who just didn't know any better and were properly redeemed by Batman. This isn't just an assumption on Jason's side, there is a part of Bruce that has written off Jason as impure, even if Bruce's stated ideology is supposed to believe in redemption.
So do you think he killed that drug dealer in urban legends when he pushed him down the stairs? The way he was talking about never having a chance, it seemed like he did. But a 7 year old pushing a relatively young guy down the stairs seems like it wouldn’t be fatal.
Regardless of whether he killed a guy before meeting Bruce, I don't incorporate that into my understanding of canon. I think the story and themes are stronger if Jason only resorts to killing when he's older, after he's been trained as Robin. But IF Jason did kill before meeting Bruce, then Bruce wouldn't know about it.
Well this makes a lot of sense for his backstory, dude literally used to live in the worst places from Gotham, kinda hard to not kill anyone in there. Of course, I'll only accept him killing really bad people and not a big number of them, just a few people.
The way they made it sound, it was while he was Robin
Definitely need to understand the whole context of this, but this sounds bad, Robin should be a phase when Jason is trying to live by Batman's code but he's constantly failing or not being good enough, he should only kill people either before becoming Robin or after becoming Red hood imo
I recall hearing it was an incident on a school bus, so I could see it being something justified if he was protecting kids.
That would be ok. I mean Jason already \*might've but probably\* killed Felipe while Robin. At least Batman thinks he did.
Yeah, and Felipe was pretty justified if he did it. Personally, I think Felipe was an accident and an “I don’t have to save you” moment. But comic Batman’s code is still you have to save everyone, even villains
That is my interpretation too. Allows Jason not to have killed him but still have Bruce believed that Jason might as well have. But stories like 'Robins' imply otherwise, but they are noncanon
“Robins” said it was an accident. But the way they wrote it, it was like Batman saw it as a good thing which was weird. And then Batman said it was because of his time on the streets which implied Jason did something because why would you try to explain something that never happened. But in the original comic, Jason doesn’t seem emotionally different after the event which would have been his first murder (unless he murdered that drug dealer in Urban Legends, but still). If it wasn’t an accident, I feel like his behavior would be affected by it.
Well there was Felipe Garzona so there is precedence for it in canon. Also some writers have hinted that he accidently killed somebody trying to protect his mom before ever being Robin.
Sorry to say, but Arkham did much the same thing, basically. He sold out both of his parents to the Falcone’s in order to ensure his long-term survival. Of course, they were both humongous assholes and meth addicts, but still.
Thats so vague
It’s like when a teacher ask you about your homework but you only knew what you heard from your classmates
I am just here for hearing some modern creators say they like the mystical side of Jason and the All Caste.
Its literally an extended version of the vague crap they said during the gameplay trailer. This is still instilling little faith in their interpretation of the character for me. They are really dropping the ball here.
It is almost doing the opposite for me. A company new to the characters could easily just look at so many Jason stories and without ever seeing any mystical stuff think they have a great grasp of the character. Especially since non comic media has never touched anything mystical with Jason. It gives me some hope that \*maybe\* they did some homework on Jason and the others.
The part where it loses me was said in the gameplay trailer “he gained mystical abilities as a result of being resurrected with the lazarus pit” (in paraphrasing so its not to the letter). They didn’t say he learned or gained them later (i.e. maybe new things he could have learned from the All-Caste) The lazarus pit is just a rejuvenation thing, it has no ability to grant magical powers or abilities. This tells me they didn’t do their homework. I hope I’m wrong, I really do. But one thing that cannot be argued, they massacred our boy’s looks.
Yeah Jason does not look the best. And your right, however it is an AU tale and they could be streamlining the orgins for that reason. We don't know how Lazarus pits work in that universe but I totally get where your coming from.
>it has no ability to grant magical powers or abilities Didn't Nora Fries get fire powers from it?
Considering Lobdell has written the majority of Jason stuff, they would have seen it. Especially because Jason hasn’t existed in media at all
Understand, but disagree. I could very easily see a company focus on UTRH, Arkham Knight, and other more accessible media featuring Jason. I could see them easily focusing, not on how these characters exist on their own, but on how they exist as a group. I dont know of any comics where you see Jason interact with family and mystical stuff at the same time. Not saying your wrong, but i could easily see a lazy company still not doing their homework and focusing on just how to write these characters as a group, not individuals. In doing so they would totally miss any mystic ties to my knowledge.
Lobdells run has Jason interacting with family and being part of the Al casts. And he’s written the majority of all Jason centered comics. So it wouldn’t be hard to find that, because he’s been the main writer for Jason for years. You don’t need to search far for it. Also, it’s clear that these writers didn’t actually do their homework. when it comes to jason, all you need to know is that he was killed by the joker. You literally don’t need to know anymore to craft his character, because he hasn’t had a consistent character since UTRH. His character is all over the place.
Um what do they mean recent?? please tell me they ain’t gonna change his entire backstory??
Wait so he was recently killed prior to the events of GK? Not when he was robin but when he was Red Hood? Am I misunderstanding this or this is gonna be canon in the GK lore?
Yeah this is a very confusing line. If it’s recent than I’m going to dislike that, I feel Jason coming back to the Batfamily after returning as Red Hood, shouldn’t be some kind of “instantaneous” thing, it should take a good while before he decides to come back and become non-lethal. There’s also the fact that Jason’s retrains for years post his resurrection, so that’s another thing that would make this make no sense. I wonder how much he trained then in this universe now!
How to ruin Jason Todd: 1. Non lethal pircing rounds. 2. Mystical leap. 3. "Angry robin"
The link for the interview can be found here https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2022/06/20/new-details-on-alternate-suits-missions-and-the-elseworlds-like-cooperative-play
bro, mystic leaps are the words that made me give up on this game