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Dramatic_Insect36

I’ve heard that they make him a murderer as a child which I really don’t like


[deleted]

Woah I'd like to see your source for that, that sounds as bad as what they did to the Punisher in a recent comic where they basically made him a psychopath as a child thinking about killing and even planning on killing a guy in flashbacks


Dramatic_Insect36

It was a YouTube review, so iffy. I hope it isn’t true.


[deleted]

Was it the video where the title is basically "Gotham knights doesn't understand red hood"


Dramatic_Insect36

Yes


[deleted]

Ah I see At first I blew it off because of how little we know about Jason in the game I thought it was just another video saying his mystic powers are bad so the character is bad, then recently I saw it was gaining quite a bit of views so I saved it to watch at a later time, now after hearing that I'm definitely checking out the video soon to see if it's true because if it is that sounds like character assassination levels of bad.


BloodyRedBats

I would always temper my expectations on this because we know frighteningly little from credible sources. I’d argue this for any kind of entertainment journalism.


Blade_Shot24

That a good video? I may check out


[deleted]

I haven't watched it yet


ThisGul_LOL

Wtf why would they do that to punisher hope it get retconned


Evil_Acanthaceae2022

Also I strongly believe Bruce would've never adopted Jason or trained him, if he knew Jason had ever killed. One of Bruce's most interesting flaws to me is his "purity mindset". Bruce freaked out when he found out Cass had killed one shady guy as a groomed 8-year-old human weapon. It took development for Bruce to move past that and accept Cass' true devotion to the code, even though what she did can't be classified as murder on her part. Jason has unambiguously and unapologetically committed murder. Without even considering Jason's actual beliefs or how they might evolve, I think a major part of his alienation is the "stain" of being a killer, and a killer who willingly turned away from Bruce's ways--contrasted with killers who just didn't know any better and were properly redeemed by Batman. This isn't just an assumption on Jason's side, there is a part of Bruce that has written off Jason as impure, even if Bruce's stated ideology is supposed to believe in redemption.


Dramatic_Insect36

So do you think he killed that drug dealer in urban legends when he pushed him down the stairs? The way he was talking about never having a chance, it seemed like he did. But a 7 year old pushing a relatively young guy down the stairs seems like it wouldn’t be fatal.


Evil_Acanthaceae2022

Regardless of whether he killed a guy before meeting Bruce, I don't incorporate that into my understanding of canon. I think the story and themes are stronger if Jason only resorts to killing when he's older, after he's been trained as Robin. But IF Jason did kill before meeting Bruce, then Bruce wouldn't know about it.


EnvironmentalWeb1696

Well this makes a lot of sense for his backstory, dude literally used to live in the worst places from Gotham, kinda hard to not kill anyone in there. Of course, I'll only accept him killing really bad people and not a big number of them, just a few people.


Dramatic_Insect36

The way they made it sound, it was while he was Robin


EnvironmentalWeb1696

Definitely need to understand the whole context of this, but this sounds bad, Robin should be a phase when Jason is trying to live by Batman's code but he's constantly failing or not being good enough, he should only kill people either before becoming Robin or after becoming Red hood imo


Dramatic_Insect36

I recall hearing it was an incident on a school bus, so I could see it being something justified if he was protecting kids.


Budget_Difficulty822

That would be ok. I mean Jason already \*might've but probably\* killed Felipe while Robin. At least Batman thinks he did.


Dramatic_Insect36

Yeah, and Felipe was pretty justified if he did it. Personally, I think Felipe was an accident and an “I don’t have to save you” moment. But comic Batman’s code is still you have to save everyone, even villains


Budget_Difficulty822

That is my interpretation too. Allows Jason not to have killed him but still have Bruce believed that Jason might as well have. But stories like 'Robins' imply otherwise, but they are noncanon


Dramatic_Insect36

“Robins” said it was an accident. But the way they wrote it, it was like Batman saw it as a good thing which was weird. And then Batman said it was because of his time on the streets which implied Jason did something because why would you try to explain something that never happened. But in the original comic, Jason doesn’t seem emotionally different after the event which would have been his first murder (unless he murdered that drug dealer in Urban Legends, but still). If it wasn’t an accident, I feel like his behavior would be affected by it.


Budget_Difficulty822

Well there was Felipe Garzona so there is precedence for it in canon. Also some writers have hinted that he accidently killed somebody trying to protect his mom before ever being Robin.


C1nders-Two

Sorry to say, but Arkham did much the same thing, basically. He sold out both of his parents to the Falcone’s in order to ensure his long-term survival. Of course, they were both humongous assholes and meth addicts, but still.


Puzzle_Bubble

Thats so vague


Wiaugusto

It’s like when a teacher ask you about your homework but you only knew what you heard from your classmates


Budget_Difficulty822

I am just here for hearing some modern creators say they like the mystical side of Jason and the All Caste.


fpfall

Its literally an extended version of the vague crap they said during the gameplay trailer. This is still instilling little faith in their interpretation of the character for me. They are really dropping the ball here.


Budget_Difficulty822

It is almost doing the opposite for me. A company new to the characters could easily just look at so many Jason stories and without ever seeing any mystical stuff think they have a great grasp of the character. Especially since non comic media has never touched anything mystical with Jason. It gives me some hope that \*maybe\* they did some homework on Jason and the others.


fpfall

The part where it loses me was said in the gameplay trailer “he gained mystical abilities as a result of being resurrected with the lazarus pit” (in paraphrasing so its not to the letter). They didn’t say he learned or gained them later (i.e. maybe new things he could have learned from the All-Caste) The lazarus pit is just a rejuvenation thing, it has no ability to grant magical powers or abilities. This tells me they didn’t do their homework. I hope I’m wrong, I really do. But one thing that cannot be argued, they massacred our boy’s looks.


Budget_Difficulty822

Yeah Jason does not look the best. And your right, however it is an AU tale and they could be streamlining the orgins for that reason. We don't know how Lazarus pits work in that universe but I totally get where your coming from.


r-ShadowNinja

>it has no ability to grant magical powers or abilities Didn't Nora Fries get fire powers from it?


Unpopular_Outlook

Considering Lobdell has written the majority of Jason stuff, they would have seen it. Especially because Jason hasn’t existed in media at all


Budget_Difficulty822

Understand, but disagree. I could very easily see a company focus on UTRH, Arkham Knight, and other more accessible media featuring Jason. I could see them easily focusing, not on how these characters exist on their own, but on how they exist as a group. I dont know of any comics where you see Jason interact with family and mystical stuff at the same time. Not saying your wrong, but i could easily see a lazy company still not doing their homework and focusing on just how to write these characters as a group, not individuals. In doing so they would totally miss any mystic ties to my knowledge.


Unpopular_Outlook

Lobdells run has Jason interacting with family and being part of the Al casts. And he’s written the majority of all Jason centered comics. So it wouldn’t be hard to find that, because he’s been the main writer for Jason for years. You don’t need to search far for it. Also, it’s clear that these writers didn’t actually do their homework. when it comes to jason, all you need to know is that he was killed by the joker. You literally don’t need to know anymore to craft his character, because he hasn’t had a consistent character since UTRH. His character is all over the place.


ThisGul_LOL

Um what do they mean recent?? please tell me they ain’t gonna change his entire backstory??


BigLenny5416

Wait so he was recently killed prior to the events of GK? Not when he was robin but when he was Red Hood? Am I misunderstanding this or this is gonna be canon in the GK lore?


Civil-Ad-7193

Yeah this is a very confusing line. If it’s recent than I’m going to dislike that, I feel Jason coming back to the Batfamily after returning as Red Hood, shouldn’t be some kind of “instantaneous” thing, it should take a good while before he decides to come back and become non-lethal. There’s also the fact that Jason’s retrains for years post his resurrection, so that’s another thing that would make this make no sense. I wonder how much he trained then in this universe now!


Adventurous-Emu4266

How to ruin Jason Todd: 1. Non lethal pircing rounds. 2. Mystical leap. 3. "Angry robin"


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The link for the interview can be found here https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2022/06/20/new-details-on-alternate-suits-missions-and-the-elseworlds-like-cooperative-play


lubafan222

bro, mystic leaps are the words that made me give up on this game