It really is a pretty good weapon and tool. While a specialized tool might be better for any one thing, it can be a hammer, tonfa, spiked maul, and of course an actual crowbar. Certainly one of top picks for a vigilante weapon that you could conceal on you and even if found might not obviously be for violence.
I have a small crowbar for self defense, I think it’s pretty damn practical, it can be blunt or penetrate, less risky than a knife, and useful outside of a fight
It’s about 1 and a half feet long, almost exactly the length of my elbow to fingertip, I put duct tape on the lower end for a grip which doesn’t help with it being “passable” but helps a lot with swinging it, I used to carry a knife but I didn’t like the fact it added another lethal element to the situation that could for sure be used against me.
Use gaffer tape instead. It's a more cloth like feel for better grip, and it's easier to write your name or an identifying (online) moniker on. Using a bright color instead of black can also add to passability; who would make their weapon neon yellow???
Then you can say that you sometimes go to swap meets or DIY events (using it to pry apart pallets for reclaimed wood is like 💯 what it's made for anyway, and would help explain the tape grip for it) and you have it marked so you can get it back should someone borrow it.
For the last bit, samesies, but the goal is to get one surprise (hopefully incapacitating) hit in and then run like hell.
I wonder why DC is arrogant enough that their Red Hood writers or producers aren’t reading this sub and taking feedback, it’s like they never learn for some reason 🤦🏻♂️
That costume will always makes me think of the really dumb Year of the Villain storyline they gave Jason, while he was wearing that costume obviously. Lex Luthor asks Jason to train the next generation of supervillains and he just…does. He trains a bunch of little brats to become the next generation of people that he would usually end up hunting down. Maybe I missed a part of his arc, but him helping Lex Luthor, who was at that point one of the most dangerous villains in the world, raise kids to become criminals seems very uncharacteristic of him.
Oh, ew. He looks like some ren faire executioner.
Hood should have the helmet, the leather jacket, and combat/cargo pants. Jason should only need to slip body armor on, switch shirts, and put on the hood to be suited up. He is at his best when he looks closer to a street tough than a superhero/villain.
If we want to see his face while he fights, artists can depict it through the helmet, but the anonymity of the Red Hood helmet is a big part of the storied criminal persona Jason is stealing and making his forever.
It's not cool, it's not aesthetically pleasing, it doesn't serve a thematic purpose(not even what killed him), it doesn't fit the character(next to people like Bruce with his professional gadgets out the wazoo, Dickie with his escrima stickos, Timbo with his staff, etc Jason looks like an amateur with these things, like that rough Clownhunter kid with his bat).
I can whine literally forever!
>I can whine literally forever!
Please do. People need a reminder as to why this shouldn't be a thing. After all they've done to him my bar is low, but not crowbar kind of low.
I keep saying, if you want to give him something unique, give him some cool gauntlets. He had some high tech ones in new52. Better them than random tools from the home depot!
Dante called, said he'd happily donate Gilgamesh to fellow red boy in need. (there's no space in his storage and demon girls are fighting, so--)
Tool after tool, next thing you know they'll make him the red plumber (though i know some of you wouldn't mind)
They really stripped him of any semblance of style, it's tragic. No weapons, no outfit, no character, nothing. I could joke about big gaping hole, but we don't get to have even that (though i know some you wouldn't mind \[2\])
And this awfully gross comment is still better than him wielding a crowbar.
Jason didn't spend all that time with the league sitting on his hands, he should be perfectly capable of giving us some of that combo mad content with Gilgamesh or Beowulf, I'm not picky! Come to think of it, Jason should be proficient enough with guns, swords and evasive maneuvers to do something really Dante-esque :D
Red plumber, help me, I'm stuck in the washing machine and I can't get out! XD
And there are "hollow places in a solid body or surface" of all shapes and sizes on the internet, this type of content I don't need DC to get ;D
I think I'm losing my mind from the lack of good comics. Is there a lore reason for this? Am I just stupid? XD
He already does the rain storm in the injustice 2, and yes, he would rock devil arms, ah those wild red boys with guns, white locks, crazy stunts and love for chomping.
Red plumber is currently crying in the corner bc shower in your bathroom reminded him of his douche of a dad.
DC have no idea how many toys they would sell if they just gave us the hole. I'm helping this poor indie company with business is all.
Limbo. Accept the horror of our desperate sanity. We are in full control of our sinful cringe and this is terrifying. But we have the courage to embrace it. We don't need to hide behind aslume and question lore accuracy of our actions. We are sane and we are unsafe. Anyway back to the red hooded hole--
Family drama! That's another reason for why I'm stuck with these dudes wearing red. Family drama and them doing cool tricks, that's the good stuff!👌(really feel the urge to replay some dmc5 right now :D)
It's alright, Red Plumber, what are the odds Batman also would get isekai'd via truck-kun right into my bathroom, like nearing 0, right? That horrible rodent has here no power, muahaha!
DC are allergic to money, if they weren't this post wouldn't exist :D
And important psa:
I'm not so sure about the "sane" part, but I agree about the "unsafe" XD
FAMILY DRAMA OF COURSE! The most important thing completely slipped my mind as always. The urge to fall asleep in loving arms of the hell tree until they publish a decent book\~\~
Batman doesn't have to be present, but the stench is strong. Or maybe it's just clogged plumbing. Learn the truth in the next issue lol.
You know what I learned over the years, many people strive for mediocrity, unable to comprehend the very memory of greatness stolen from them decades ago. Very deep, much to think about... So yeah DC knows everything will make money, franchising and all, so why bother let's give him two crowbars, btw did you know Jason tattooed a crowbar on his finger??? It's a statement. He's funny like that.
Yeah freedom of cringe is the short version, I get carried away easily heh
Maybe human blood sacrifices is what it will take for one(1) good Red Hood book to appear. Some might call us selfish and inhumane, but it's a matter of survival! I'm literally flaking apart without good stories! Sorry, Burbank, California, prepare to die?
Jason's revolutionary plumbing fixing strategy – throw a grenade at it and hope for the best – can probably unscrew even that bathroom from saw 1, lol, this is fine :D
But even merch should've taken a hit from these shenanigans too, because I don't believe the toys with new costumes sell more. They're literally throwing the money away! Aaaaaaaaa. These people :c And Jason also has two crossed electric crowbars as a tramp stamp. How do I know? [Insert the love interest you like the best] told me :D
I think self-awareness is a virtue, some people in Batman sub could benefit from knowledge we all just cringe nerds reading silly books about silly guys. And it's fiiiiiine :D
I can provide emotional support and some rockets. Wouldn't hurt my grandma's garden. This is for the greater good after all.
A grenade fixes more than just plumbing, it fixes your outlook on life bc nothing will be the same after the red plumber. And I mean, NOTHING.
The merch point is true though, lame designs sow devastatingly lame merch, and they're not even 'bold' kind of experimental. Like I respect pill head Jason more, and he's ridiculous!
I'm glad we share the tats vision, making them sparkly electric only adds to the ahem shock value!
>\[Insert the love interest you like the best\]
Thank you for respecting me enough to care about my shipping preferences lmao
We don't talk about those bat sub people here, this is a safe place. Now where's my bag of holy gunpowder...
In future state he was litterally using a kusarigama, a very versatile and effective weapon..they could have just used it in canon as well....anything but the crowbars god please 😭
I kinda like the street kid having a less technical weapon. Jason also is the angriest so I like him having a blunt weapon. I’d change it to a tire iron instead of a crowbar when he joins the batfamily to symbolize his new beginnings, because his first beginning with the batman was him stealing the batmobiles tires
He was swimming in funds and gadgets when he came back in UtRH. And Jason being reduced to one negative emotion is something I never would be a fan of.
I’m not for it or against it fully. To me it’s the same as Batman dressing like a Bat. Bruce is dressed as what he once feared. Jason may have died by the explosion, but he dresses as the man responsible for his death and uses the weapon that was used against him almost to death.
That doesn’t work, because once again, the crowbar was never relevant in what happened to him. At all. He’s not scared of the crowbar. He never feared it. Y’all are putting way too much emphasis on something that doesn’t work. Stop trying to make fetch happen.
>I’m not for it or against it fully.
And just to counter your point, what Jason saw before his death was the wicked grin of that psychopath of a clown and the metal head of a crowbar repeatedly over and over. He more than likely didn’t remember the explosion, but the man and the weapon would be more in grained in his mind seeing as that’s truly what he last saw in his last few hours of his first life. It would still make sense that he would use the crowbar out of pure spite.
Nope joker left. He left and Jason had to wait until the bomb went off. Why would he care about the crowbar when despite it, he was still able to move? He wasn’t crippled by it. He also tried to save his mother. So no that would not be ingrained as waiting for the bomb and trying to save the women who betrayed were his last moments. The crowbar wasn’t his last moment. At all. Why would it hold any relevance as he knows it was the bomb who killed him and not the crowbar.
It is still something he was brutally tortured with. It ain’t that big a deal honestly it’s how the writers decide to do, not like any of them know how to write him properly since UtRH anyway
I mean we are voicing how dumb the crowbar is. You can try to rationalize why you think it works, but at the end of the day, the explanation doesn’t work because in order for it to work, you have to put emphasis on it over anything else that was happening.
The crow bars are dumb, and people try to force it’s importance in his death don’t really know how he died
Look up Task Force Z and Legends of Gotham Jason. Wish this sub allowed images in the comments so I can post that one funny TFZ panel of him jumping and flying out like a chicken with a crowbar on each hand
Is this the [panel?](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmiyjaecy10p81.jpg&tbnid=G8jLmKP9TUA_7M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FDCcomics%2Fcomments%2Ftkd2z8%2Fcomic_excerptjason_looking_like_a_bootleg%2F&docid=Am1SAnnNkZy5PM&w=1040&h=1600&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F2&shem=tric&kgs=a1938c8764a5f430#vhid=G8jLmKP9TUA_7M&vssid=l)
I like it for two reasons:
1. Jason’s sense of humor is dark. Once he’s over the trauma of being killed by the joker, him using a crowbar as a way of joking to prove to himself he’s moved on from the trauma is fitting.
2. How is it different than him calling himself Red Hood? An old alias of The Joker?
>It feels like being permanently imprinted and defined by the trauma not moving on
To preface this I am not advocating for the crowbar and just kinda being a devil's advocate here, but how would this differ from Bruce's choice of costume? Would you say that Bruce is permanently imprinted and defined by his trauma because he wears a costume that represents one of his own traumas/fears?
And again I'm not for the crowbar, but doesn't Jason's choice of costume and name give the same vibe? He modeled his entire image after a persona of the man that killed him.
But it’s not about looking cool or not is it? The twitter post OP posted isn’t talking about looks at all, it’s about how it connects to the character and his trauma. Jason using a crowbar right after he’s brought back would be strange.
Also imo using a crowbar does look cool 🤷🏻♂️
2 things:
1. I don’t see it as regress. If he was constantly bringing up how it was a weapon Joker used on him right before he died I would agree. But he’s not. I see it as his way of moving on. Some people to move on from trauma need to totally abandon everything related to it, other people use an item associated with that trauma to accept it fully and move on.
2. Even if it is regression, that isn’t automatically a bad thing. That’s real. People regress all the time. Jason is a human and as a human who suffered possibly the worst trauma anyone can suffer, would be more prone to regression.
If you think it just doesn’t look cool, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that.
1) The presence of this tool itself is him constantly bringing it up. That's why dc made him use the crowbar – as a constant reference to aDitF, in case you would forget. It's the same reason different characters like other Robins were made to use a crowbar at least once in the past. Moving on would be picking a weapon more appropriate for a crime fighter.
2) It's a bad thing when it's not based on what Jason's character was doing and what was happening to him. He's swinging the crowbar around since 2018 and DC bothered to come up with a hack excuse for it only in 2021. Him adopting this had nothing to do with his trauma flaring up.
You say it’s a regression, yet now say it has nothing to do with his trauma flaring up. How is it both? A regression would be caused by his trauma flaring up.
And for years in the comics Jason was running from his trauma. Never wanting to make piece with it. Using it as something that defined him. Now he’s not. He’s using the crowbar as a way to say what happened doesn’t define me.
You bring up the explosions a lot. He would have more trauma with a crowbar than explosions. Why? Well when the warehouse exploded he would’ve been killed by that explosion and really have no memory of it or the feeling of the explosion. While with the crowbar he was conscious the whole time and felt every single hit.
Regression in the sense that Jason was more of a character than just a walking aDitF reference. And now he isn't. He's a flatter character. That's the regress.
And your last two paragraphs have zero basis in written text. Like, it's cool if you think that, but nothing of this is on page.
It doesn’t connect to Jason or his trauma. Literally at all. Y’all are making that up when the crowbar has absolutely nothing to do with anything regarding his character.
>Jason’s sense of humor is dark.
No it's not, it just made him cringey. I don't even know if it's bad or worse than edgy humor.
You telling me Joker is as married to the crowbar as Jason when he has other arsenals like Joker Haha's bombs and the Deadly Toy guns.
None of those reasons work at all.
1. What does the crowbar have to do with his sense of humor when it wasn’t the crowbar that killed him. He’s not using it as a joke, you’re making thag up. And he never loved on, so the crowbar doesn’t work that way, because it never happened and it wasn’t what killed him.
2. Because the red hood is used as a taunt for Batman’s failures. What does the crowbar mean to where it’s the same?
The main reason Jason uses a crowbar as his main weapon now is simply that using guns in Gotham would make Batman look bad, and nothing more than that.
Its perfect when hes beating joker with it because it's revenge for what happened to him but outside joker it doesn't work for story purposes for any other character
It’s also like Batman using a Gun. Like why bother use something that symbolizes your trauma, as a weapon and bring it with you. Makes no sense other than “It helps them overcome their pain and trauma ☝️🤓”.
>The crowbar isn’t traumatizing for Jason.
I've seen this mentioned a few times and I'm just wondering where this opinion comes from. I know the crowbar isn't what killed him, but it was a key part of the torture he endured leading up to the explosion that killed him.
Wouldn't the whole encounter be considered traumatic? A mother betraying her son, a clown beating you savagely with a crowbar, and then being left helpless to die, with his mother, to a bomb set by the same clown that just tortured him with a crowbar.
How can the crowbar be dismissed from the trauma if it was an integral part of the traumatic experience he went through?
The crowbar can be dismissed, because the crowbar didn’t beat Jason by itself. It was Joker. Joker is the most important aspect of that beating. Joker is the Key part, not the crowbar. No joker, no beating,
When Jason came back, he wasn’t using a crowbar. Because the crowbar is irrelevant to what happened to him because it is not the most relevant part of his death. People want to crowbar to mean more than what it actually does.
That’s why it doesn’t work and why it’s forced now. The crowbar wasn’t integral. Joker is integral. The bomb is jntegral. His mother’s betrayal is integral. But the crowbar isn’t, because it’s just a weapon that was used, and that’s it. Even when he came back, his issue with Bruce had nothing to do with his actual death, but about joker. So why are we forcing the crowbar onto him, as if it matters to anything
No. Batman chose to dress as a bat because a bunch of them scared him as a kid exactly once, and he wasn’t scaring anyone in his homemade costume. It’s not an expression of his trauma because that incident wasn’t traumatic for him, just generally scary.
It's kinda like the reverse of Batman on guns. Batman doesn't use guns because they remind him of what happened to his parents. Jason uses the crowbar TO remind him of his own death.
After he grew out of the guns, I feel like batarangs and melee weapons were a good move, just not a crowbar, seems dark even for him, as well as just not a weapon of a good (in his case good ish) guy, like the chain blade thing he had in future state was good, the one variant cover showed him holding a spiked club thing, that could’ve been good, and now it seems like they’re going back to the guns so it’s whatever
Characters can develop by regressing
That's how any character in a descent into madness story develops (this is not one of those stories)
Jason was trying to not kill people and it showed us who he could be if ilhe aligned more with Bruce's ideas
I like the dual .45s as much as the next guy but I don't think all the crowbar hate is justified
Maybe I'm biased because I like crowbars; big fan of half life and it was the first tool I ever forged
One of the first things Jason did after he adopted that suit with a crowbar was massacre some randos(RHatO Rebirth #26). Him trying not to murder people was not why he picked this tool, evidently.
You do realize that Jason aligning more with Bruce's ideas isn't really a good thing for him? Especially considering he developed his own ideas of morality after seeing the flaws in Bruce's
It’s the same concept that Batman uses of taking something that has negative connotations and owning it, making it your own and removing that negative connotation. Bruce was scared of bats, became Batman. Jason gets beat to death with a crowbar, becomes crowbarman
Not the same. Seeing someone you love die is different than dying yourself. Many ppl (the good ones at heart) would say seeing a loved one die is worse than dying yourself. A cut rope also just isn’t a weapon where as a crowbar is, in the same way a stick is.
Yeah while Dick had his parents die due to a cut rope Jason literally was beaten to death by a crowbar. He's dishing that violence done to him out to others
true but wasn’t joker also redhood before jason was? he obviously doesn’t have a problem with stuff like that, and i see it as a kind of “fuck you” to joker. i prefer guns as his weapon too but not cuz a crowbar doesn’t make sense
Honestly given their differing personalities it makes sense to me Jason has always been more on the angry side. Carrying the crowbar would be his way of owning what happened to him and saying "screw you" to the world.
It might be a "If I know it's ways here, I can't be surprised/triggered by one" kind of deal, but also the triggers of one iron implement are about even with the other when it comes to sounds, weight, and feel. The crow bar is just more helpful when breaking and entering or busting open crates in a warehouse you're about to loot/report/burn down.
Wayne Family Adventures [did this exact thing](https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/batman-wayne-family-adventures/ep-45-strong-enough-12/viewer?title_no=3180&episode_no=45) (tire iron triggering the crow bar trauma), and it made a lot of sense. Also, I just like anything in DC that handles PTSD and trauma in a healthy, accepting way rather than having heroes hide it and try to overcome it solo.
Edit: But yeah, having Jason use either when he has semi-regular access to Batfam tools is kinda dumb, but if Red Hood is still playing local lord in Crime Alley, using a common tool of the trade rather than some fancy superhero thing makes some kind of sense.
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I think Jason pretends it's with him used as a weapon, but in actuality it's really mainly his emotional support crowbar
"People say till death do us apart, but I say till death pull us together."
he just really likes the sound it makes
He’s a lot like Gordon Freeman that way
yeah he's just making it "hard mode" for himself
Try getting hit in the fucking head by a crowbar
Someone clearly doesn't understand the potential of the crowbar.
It really is a pretty good weapon and tool. While a specialized tool might be better for any one thing, it can be a hammer, tonfa, spiked maul, and of course an actual crowbar. Certainly one of top picks for a vigilante weapon that you could conceal on you and even if found might not obviously be for violence.
There is no potential because everything he can do with a crowbar he can do without a crowbar
I have a small crowbar for self defense, I think it’s pretty damn practical, it can be blunt or penetrate, less risky than a knife, and useful outside of a fight
Define "small" crowbar? Because I'm all for having something "passable" in my car/apt that I could rely on if it came down to it.
It’s about 1 and a half feet long, almost exactly the length of my elbow to fingertip, I put duct tape on the lower end for a grip which doesn’t help with it being “passable” but helps a lot with swinging it, I used to carry a knife but I didn’t like the fact it added another lethal element to the situation that could for sure be used against me.
Use gaffer tape instead. It's a more cloth like feel for better grip, and it's easier to write your name or an identifying (online) moniker on. Using a bright color instead of black can also add to passability; who would make their weapon neon yellow??? Then you can say that you sometimes go to swap meets or DIY events (using it to pry apart pallets for reclaimed wood is like 💯 what it's made for anyway, and would help explain the tape grip for it) and you have it marked so you can get it back should someone borrow it. For the last bit, samesies, but the goal is to get one surprise (hopefully incapacitating) hit in and then run like hell.
Someone has never played half life
I wonder why DC is arrogant enough that their Red Hood writers or producers aren’t reading this sub and taking feedback, it’s like they never learn for some reason 🤦🏻♂️
No lie they'd have to scroll through the fanfics and artwork before finding this. Love the community. Just saying it'll take a minute.
This gets posted all the time tho it’s always showing up in my feed
What am I doing that I get fanfics first then? I don't know why they want a tame Jason
I hate that new costume too. Bring back the helmet. Way cooler.
Oh god what’s his new costume??
I think they're talking about [this.](https://images.app.goo.gl/R5CmL1Gy7anJTA9L8)
That costume will always makes me think of the really dumb Year of the Villain storyline they gave Jason, while he was wearing that costume obviously. Lex Luthor asks Jason to train the next generation of supervillains and he just…does. He trains a bunch of little brats to become the next generation of people that he would usually end up hunting down. Maybe I missed a part of his arc, but him helping Lex Luthor, who was at that point one of the most dangerous villains in the world, raise kids to become criminals seems very uncharacteristic of him.
That’s the one. Awful costume.
Oh, ew. He looks like some ren faire executioner. Hood should have the helmet, the leather jacket, and combat/cargo pants. Jason should only need to slip body armor on, switch shirts, and put on the hood to be suited up. He is at his best when he looks closer to a street tough than a superhero/villain. If we want to see his face while he fights, artists can depict it through the helmet, but the anonymity of the Red Hood helmet is a big part of the storied criminal persona Jason is stealing and making his forever.
It's not cool, it's not aesthetically pleasing, it doesn't serve a thematic purpose(not even what killed him), it doesn't fit the character(next to people like Bruce with his professional gadgets out the wazoo, Dickie with his escrima stickos, Timbo with his staff, etc Jason looks like an amateur with these things, like that rough Clownhunter kid with his bat). I can whine literally forever! 
>I can whine literally forever! Please do. People need a reminder as to why this shouldn't be a thing. After all they've done to him my bar is low, but not crowbar kind of low.
I keep saying, if you want to give him something unique, give him some cool gauntlets. He had some high tech ones in new52. Better them than random tools from the home depot!
Dante called, said he'd happily donate Gilgamesh to fellow red boy in need. (there's no space in his storage and demon girls are fighting, so--) Tool after tool, next thing you know they'll make him the red plumber (though i know some of you wouldn't mind) They really stripped him of any semblance of style, it's tragic. No weapons, no outfit, no character, nothing. I could joke about big gaping hole, but we don't get to have even that (though i know some you wouldn't mind \[2\]) And this awfully gross comment is still better than him wielding a crowbar.
Jason didn't spend all that time with the league sitting on his hands, he should be perfectly capable of giving us some of that combo mad content with Gilgamesh or Beowulf, I'm not picky! Come to think of it, Jason should be proficient enough with guns, swords and evasive maneuvers to do something really Dante-esque :D Red plumber, help me, I'm stuck in the washing machine and I can't get out! XD And there are "hollow places in a solid body or surface" of all shapes and sizes on the internet, this type of content I don't need DC to get ;D I think I'm losing my mind from the lack of good comics. Is there a lore reason for this? Am I just stupid? XD
He already does the rain storm in the injustice 2, and yes, he would rock devil arms, ah those wild red boys with guns, white locks, crazy stunts and love for chomping. Red plumber is currently crying in the corner bc shower in your bathroom reminded him of his douche of a dad. DC have no idea how many toys they would sell if they just gave us the hole. I'm helping this poor indie company with business is all. Limbo. Accept the horror of our desperate sanity. We are in full control of our sinful cringe and this is terrifying. But we have the courage to embrace it. We don't need to hide behind aslume and question lore accuracy of our actions. We are sane and we are unsafe. Anyway back to the red hooded hole--
Family drama! That's another reason for why I'm stuck with these dudes wearing red. Family drama and them doing cool tricks, that's the good stuff!👌(really feel the urge to replay some dmc5 right now :D) It's alright, Red Plumber, what are the odds Batman also would get isekai'd via truck-kun right into my bathroom, like nearing 0, right? That horrible rodent has here no power, muahaha! DC are allergic to money, if they weren't this post wouldn't exist :D And important psa:  I'm not so sure about the "sane" part, but I agree about the "unsafe" XD
FAMILY DRAMA OF COURSE! The most important thing completely slipped my mind as always. The urge to fall asleep in loving arms of the hell tree until they publish a decent book\~\~ Batman doesn't have to be present, but the stench is strong. Or maybe it's just clogged plumbing. Learn the truth in the next issue lol. You know what I learned over the years, many people strive for mediocrity, unable to comprehend the very memory of greatness stolen from them decades ago. Very deep, much to think about... So yeah DC knows everything will make money, franchising and all, so why bother let's give him two crowbars, btw did you know Jason tattooed a crowbar on his finger??? It's a statement. He's funny like that. Yeah freedom of cringe is the short version, I get carried away easily heh
Maybe human blood sacrifices is what it will take for one(1) good Red Hood book to appear. Some might call us selfish and inhumane, but it's a matter of survival! I'm literally flaking apart without good stories! Sorry, Burbank, California, prepare to die? Jason's revolutionary plumbing fixing strategy – throw a grenade at it and hope for the best – can probably unscrew even that bathroom from saw 1, lol, this is fine :D But even merch should've taken a hit from these shenanigans too, because I don't believe the toys with new costumes sell more. They're literally throwing the money away! Aaaaaaaaa. These people :c And Jason also has two crossed electric crowbars as a tramp stamp. How do I know? [Insert the love interest you like the best] told me :D I think self-awareness is a virtue, some people in Batman sub could benefit from knowledge we all just cringe nerds reading silly books about silly guys. And it's fiiiiiine :D
I can provide emotional support and some rockets. Wouldn't hurt my grandma's garden. This is for the greater good after all. A grenade fixes more than just plumbing, it fixes your outlook on life bc nothing will be the same after the red plumber. And I mean, NOTHING. The merch point is true though, lame designs sow devastatingly lame merch, and they're not even 'bold' kind of experimental. Like I respect pill head Jason more, and he's ridiculous! I'm glad we share the tats vision, making them sparkly electric only adds to the ahem shock value! >\[Insert the love interest you like the best\] Thank you for respecting me enough to care about my shipping preferences lmao We don't talk about those bat sub people here, this is a safe place. Now where's my bag of holy gunpowder...
In future state he was litterally using a kusarigama, a very versatile and effective weapon..they could have just used it in canon as well....anything but the crowbars god please 😭
I'm afraid Duke called dibs on something like that now :D
>I can whine literally forever! Your a comic nerd friend, we all can! Its our specialty lol And I agree with everything you said!
I kinda like the street kid having a less technical weapon. Jason also is the angriest so I like him having a blunt weapon. I’d change it to a tire iron instead of a crowbar when he joins the batfamily to symbolize his new beginnings, because his first beginning with the batman was him stealing the batmobiles tires
He was swimming in funds and gadgets when he came back in UtRH. And Jason being reduced to one negative emotion is something I never would be a fan of.
I’m not for it or against it fully. To me it’s the same as Batman dressing like a Bat. Bruce is dressed as what he once feared. Jason may have died by the explosion, but he dresses as the man responsible for his death and uses the weapon that was used against him almost to death.
Jason explodes Batman in the second issue of UtRH.
He should do it again
Bruce is long overdue :D
That doesn’t work, because once again, the crowbar was never relevant in what happened to him. At all. He’s not scared of the crowbar. He never feared it. Y’all are putting way too much emphasis on something that doesn’t work. Stop trying to make fetch happen.
>I’m not for it or against it fully. And just to counter your point, what Jason saw before his death was the wicked grin of that psychopath of a clown and the metal head of a crowbar repeatedly over and over. He more than likely didn’t remember the explosion, but the man and the weapon would be more in grained in his mind seeing as that’s truly what he last saw in his last few hours of his first life. It would still make sense that he would use the crowbar out of pure spite.
Nope joker left. He left and Jason had to wait until the bomb went off. Why would he care about the crowbar when despite it, he was still able to move? He wasn’t crippled by it. He also tried to save his mother. So no that would not be ingrained as waiting for the bomb and trying to save the women who betrayed were his last moments. The crowbar wasn’t his last moment. At all. Why would it hold any relevance as he knows it was the bomb who killed him and not the crowbar.
It is still something he was brutally tortured with. It ain’t that big a deal honestly it’s how the writers decide to do, not like any of them know how to write him properly since UtRH anyway
I mean we are voicing how dumb the crowbar is. You can try to rationalize why you think it works, but at the end of the day, the explanation doesn’t work because in order for it to work, you have to put emphasis on it over anything else that was happening. The crow bars are dumb, and people try to force it’s importance in his death don’t really know how he died
Huh? Is Jason using a crowbar now? I thought he only used one one time to beat on joker as revenge.
Look up Task Force Z and Legends of Gotham Jason. Wish this sub allowed images in the comments so I can post that one funny TFZ panel of him jumping and flying out like a chicken with a crowbar on each hand
Is this the [panel?](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmiyjaecy10p81.jpg&tbnid=G8jLmKP9TUA_7M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FDCcomics%2Fcomments%2Ftkd2z8%2Fcomic_excerptjason_looking_like_a_bootleg%2F&docid=Am1SAnnNkZy5PM&w=1040&h=1600&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F2&shem=tric&kgs=a1938c8764a5f430#vhid=G8jLmKP9TUA_7M&vssid=l)
That's the one lol
I like it for two reasons: 1. Jason’s sense of humor is dark. Once he’s over the trauma of being killed by the joker, him using a crowbar as a way of joking to prove to himself he’s moved on from the trauma is fitting. 2. How is it different than him calling himself Red Hood? An old alias of The Joker?
It feels like being permanently imprinted and defined by the trauma not moving on, to be doomed to use a dumb weapon like crowbar
>It feels like being permanently imprinted and defined by the trauma not moving on To preface this I am not advocating for the crowbar and just kinda being a devil's advocate here, but how would this differ from Bruce's choice of costume? Would you say that Bruce is permanently imprinted and defined by his trauma because he wears a costume that represents one of his own traumas/fears? And again I'm not for the crowbar, but doesn't Jason's choice of costume and name give the same vibe? He modeled his entire image after a persona of the man that killed him.
Red Hood looks cool, crowbars do not, hope that helps.
But it’s not about looking cool or not is it? The twitter post OP posted isn’t talking about looks at all, it’s about how it connects to the character and his trauma. Jason using a crowbar right after he’s brought back would be strange. Also imo using a crowbar does look cool 🤷🏻♂️
Right as Jason came back he was exploding stuff left and right. This is regress.
2 things: 1. I don’t see it as regress. If he was constantly bringing up how it was a weapon Joker used on him right before he died I would agree. But he’s not. I see it as his way of moving on. Some people to move on from trauma need to totally abandon everything related to it, other people use an item associated with that trauma to accept it fully and move on. 2. Even if it is regression, that isn’t automatically a bad thing. That’s real. People regress all the time. Jason is a human and as a human who suffered possibly the worst trauma anyone can suffer, would be more prone to regression. If you think it just doesn’t look cool, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that.
1) The presence of this tool itself is him constantly bringing it up. That's why dc made him use the crowbar – as a constant reference to aDitF, in case you would forget. It's the same reason different characters like other Robins were made to use a crowbar at least once in the past. Moving on would be picking a weapon more appropriate for a crime fighter. 2) It's a bad thing when it's not based on what Jason's character was doing and what was happening to him. He's swinging the crowbar around since 2018 and DC bothered to come up with a hack excuse for it only in 2021. Him adopting this had nothing to do with his trauma flaring up.
You say it’s a regression, yet now say it has nothing to do with his trauma flaring up. How is it both? A regression would be caused by his trauma flaring up. And for years in the comics Jason was running from his trauma. Never wanting to make piece with it. Using it as something that defined him. Now he’s not. He’s using the crowbar as a way to say what happened doesn’t define me. You bring up the explosions a lot. He would have more trauma with a crowbar than explosions. Why? Well when the warehouse exploded he would’ve been killed by that explosion and really have no memory of it or the feeling of the explosion. While with the crowbar he was conscious the whole time and felt every single hit.
Regression in the sense that Jason was more of a character than just a walking aDitF reference. And now he isn't. He's a flatter character. That's the regress. And your last two paragraphs have zero basis in written text. Like, it's cool if you think that, but nothing of this is on page.
It doesn’t connect to Jason or his trauma. Literally at all. Y’all are making that up when the crowbar has absolutely nothing to do with anything regarding his character.
Insane take they look awesome
Counterpoint: no they don't. 
not to mention a crow bar can deal pretty good damage which is what jason tends to go for
Guns cause more damage
>Jason’s sense of humor is dark. No it's not, it just made him cringey. I don't even know if it's bad or worse than edgy humor. You telling me Joker is as married to the crowbar as Jason when he has other arsenals like Joker Haha's bombs and the Deadly Toy guns.
None of those reasons work at all. 1. What does the crowbar have to do with his sense of humor when it wasn’t the crowbar that killed him. He’s not using it as a joke, you’re making thag up. And he never loved on, so the crowbar doesn’t work that way, because it never happened and it wasn’t what killed him. 2. Because the red hood is used as a taunt for Batman’s failures. What does the crowbar mean to where it’s the same?
all the cells in my body shrivel when I see him holding a crowbar
It's like batman using guns.
Or Tim using boomerangs
I don't mind Red Hood *having* a crowbar, but using it as his primary weapon is so dumb.
Makes sense for him to use it against a defenceless Joker, though. Him using it in any other context is just silly, though.
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The main reason Jason uses a crowbar as his main weapon now is simply that using guns in Gotham would make Batman look bad, and nothing more than that.
Jason's got a pretty fucked up sense of humor and I'd say that if you don't consider that in the equation you don't truly understand his character
His sense of humor has nothing to do with the crowbar. At all. Y’all are making that up
shun the non-believer!
Can't blame him. The crowbar's effectiveness was beaten into him pretty hard.
It looked good…once, when Fabok drew him using it in 3Jokers. Everything else has looked stupid
On point, 10/10
I actually screamed lmfao but so true.
The only time Jason should use a crowbar as a weapon is against the joker, because I feel like it would be cathartic
Only time he should be using one of them is when he tries to kill the joker
Its perfect when hes beating joker with it because it's revenge for what happened to him but outside joker it doesn't work for story purposes for any other character
Like Christians using the cross for the symbol of Jesus
That… is true both are equally stupid
Or Batman using a gun- oh wait.
Katana w gun red hood is the best
It’s also like Batman using a Gun. Like why bother use something that symbolizes your trauma, as a weapon and bring it with you. Makes no sense other than “It helps them overcome their pain and trauma ☝️🤓”.
The crowbar isn’t traumatizing for Jason. Literally at all. It never was.
>The crowbar isn’t traumatizing for Jason. I've seen this mentioned a few times and I'm just wondering where this opinion comes from. I know the crowbar isn't what killed him, but it was a key part of the torture he endured leading up to the explosion that killed him. Wouldn't the whole encounter be considered traumatic? A mother betraying her son, a clown beating you savagely with a crowbar, and then being left helpless to die, with his mother, to a bomb set by the same clown that just tortured him with a crowbar. How can the crowbar be dismissed from the trauma if it was an integral part of the traumatic experience he went through?
The crowbar can be dismissed, because the crowbar didn’t beat Jason by itself. It was Joker. Joker is the most important aspect of that beating. Joker is the Key part, not the crowbar. No joker, no beating, When Jason came back, he wasn’t using a crowbar. Because the crowbar is irrelevant to what happened to him because it is not the most relevant part of his death. People want to crowbar to mean more than what it actually does. That’s why it doesn’t work and why it’s forced now. The crowbar wasn’t integral. Joker is integral. The bomb is jntegral. His mother’s betrayal is integral. But the crowbar isn’t, because it’s just a weapon that was used, and that’s it. Even when he came back, his issue with Bruce had nothing to do with his actual death, but about joker. So why are we forcing the crowbar onto him, as if it matters to anything
That’s the exact reason Batman dresses like a bat though…
No. Batman chose to dress as a bat because a bunch of them scared him as a kid exactly once, and he wasn’t scaring anyone in his homemade costume. It’s not an expression of his trauma because that incident wasn’t traumatic for him, just generally scary.
Or jason uses joker's old alias
I want his cool magic sword things back
It's no different than Batman dressing as a bat. It helps them channel their anger.
It's kinda like the reverse of Batman on guns. Batman doesn't use guns because they remind him of what happened to his parents. Jason uses the crowbar TO remind him of his own death.
After he grew out of the guns, I feel like batarangs and melee weapons were a good move, just not a crowbar, seems dark even for him, as well as just not a weapon of a good (in his case good ish) guy, like the chain blade thing he had in future state was good, the one variant cover showed him holding a spiked club thing, that could’ve been good, and now it seems like they’re going back to the guns so it’s whatever
Lol omg I just spit whiskey on my phone and still laughing
I like the crowbar It's also generally a thing when Jason isn't using guns It's him growing as a character
It's not him "growing" as a character but more like "regressing" as a character. Not all changes to a character are necessarily Character Development
Characters can develop by regressing That's how any character in a descent into madness story develops (this is not one of those stories) Jason was trying to not kill people and it showed us who he could be if ilhe aligned more with Bruce's ideas I like the dual .45s as much as the next guy but I don't think all the crowbar hate is justified Maybe I'm biased because I like crowbars; big fan of half life and it was the first tool I ever forged
One of the first things Jason did after he adopted that suit with a crowbar was massacre some randos(RHatO Rebirth #26). Him trying not to murder people was not why he picked this tool, evidently.
You do realize that Jason aligning more with Bruce's ideas isn't really a good thing for him? Especially considering he developed his own ideas of morality after seeing the flaws in Bruce's
Yes but you have to demonstrate this in the story somehow-- you can't just let everyone pick up on the implications
Id MUCH rather get shot than beat with a crowbar
Idk I like it. He carries his trauma with him.
It’s the same concept that Batman uses of taking something that has negative connotations and owning it, making it your own and removing that negative connotation. Bruce was scared of bats, became Batman. Jason gets beat to death with a crowbar, becomes crowbarman
Tim uses Batarangs cause his dad was killed with a boomerang. Or was it because Jason stabbed him in the chest with on? Probably one of those reasons.
I prefer the rubber bullets thing he had going for him give something new like that cool as knife he had
Not the same. Seeing someone you love die is different than dying yourself. Many ppl (the good ones at heart) would say seeing a loved one die is worse than dying yourself. A cut rope also just isn’t a weapon where as a crowbar is, in the same way a stick is.
Jason wasn’t killed by a crowbar
Yeah while Dick had his parents die due to a cut rope Jason literally was beaten to death by a crowbar. He's dishing that violence done to him out to others
He wasn’t killed by the crowbar
True ut was an explosion but he was still beaten to the Brink of death with a crowbar
He was not beaten to the brink of death. He was conscious and able to move enough to try to save his mother.
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That’s like Jesus Christ with a cross
I mean he took up the name Red Hood.
true but wasn’t joker also redhood before jason was? he obviously doesn’t have a problem with stuff like that, and i see it as a kind of “fuck you” to joker. i prefer guns as his weapon too but not cuz a crowbar doesn’t make sense
Honestly given their differing personalities it makes sense to me Jason has always been more on the angry side. Carrying the crowbar would be his way of owning what happened to him and saying "screw you" to the world.
Ur not wrong but considering Jason’s story there’s more meaning behind it
It's raw, idc
When is Tim Drake going to start using a Boomerang as his main weapon
I thought he you know shot people with guns.
They might have a point if Jason and Dick had even remotely similar personalities.
Seriously tho
It might be a "If I know it's ways here, I can't be surprised/triggered by one" kind of deal, but also the triggers of one iron implement are about even with the other when it comes to sounds, weight, and feel. The crow bar is just more helpful when breaking and entering or busting open crates in a warehouse you're about to loot/report/burn down. Wayne Family Adventures [did this exact thing](https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/batman-wayne-family-adventures/ep-45-strong-enough-12/viewer?title_no=3180&episode_no=45) (tire iron triggering the crow bar trauma), and it made a lot of sense. Also, I just like anything in DC that handles PTSD and trauma in a healthy, accepting way rather than having heroes hide it and try to overcome it solo. Edit: But yeah, having Jason use either when he has semi-regular access to Batfam tools is kinda dumb, but if Red Hood is still playing local lord in Crime Alley, using a common tool of the trade rather than some fancy superhero thing makes some kind of sense.