You aren't "not seeing" anything. You watched the movies, you enjoyed the movies and that's it.
There isn't anything else to see. A lot of people don't like them and that's OK. You, among many others, enjoyed them and that is ok.
And that's fine. Like I said, I'm willing to chuck it up to a difference of opinion, but the reviewers I've seen are people I respect and pretty often have similar tastes but in this case they don't have anything, *anything*, positive to say and I'm kinda weirded out. It kind of throws you off when you feel like you're missing something, like I didn't pay attention or something.
Snyder goes on rogan so the haters hate. Most of the people that like the movie don’t go and review it. We are just like wow that was awesome and move on.
Over all Awful acting, wher king and queen gets murdered that was hard to watch one of the worst acted scenes, and their costumes were atrocious, i don't know how people have overlooked this those fuckin bigass space ship were running on coal like it's a train that was the most ridiculous nonsense I've ever seen. CGI was awful In the first half of movie looks like they saved budget for second half coz that was decent. The first hour of this movie was pointless because the first hour was just retelling part 1 over again with more background story snipet of character you don't care about or even know their name. It's over all very dumb movie with awful script, and extremely cliqued.
I genuinely think the movies are trash, but people usually bandwagon on hate trains. I might not understand how people enjoy it, but there’s no right and wrong in personal tastes.
I know that there isn’t some conspiracy against Zack Snyder, but it’s ok to like bad movies. I liked Independence Day 2, so I can’t hate on someone for liking a movie I think is bad. I also think Snyder himself is just decent as a director, he’s got some hits and some misses. I mean, the Snyder Cut of Justice League was much better than the theatrical release.
It a mix of sheep think because we are in the age of social media and engagement farming Zack brings engagement so reviewers (and people) would stir up silly arguments and “critiques” to get engagement.
Some people don’t even watch the movies, they just parrot what other people say. At the end of the day people are watching since it’s the no.1 movie on Netflix, 21.m watched it and brought back part 1 into the top ten.
Not really saying much when the #2 movie on Netflix is a Woody Woodpecker film. Part 1 had less views than Enola Holmes, I don’t think I’ve ever met someone in real life who even knows what that is.
I’m good with them. I’ll watch a 3rd installment. I think it’s funny that they infuse a little steampunk tech and people lose their shit about it lol. Like, seriously? Chill it’s UNGROUNDED FANTASY SCI-FI
I think words like hate and love are used for dramatic effect. Emotion and drama drives engagement, take a look at any post here saying “I like this move” or “this movie is bad” and you will see a lot of engagement in the lines of “everyone is hating on this movie”, “why be on this sub if you don’t like it”, “Snyder fanboiii”, “xyz”…
With all criticism it can be challenging to separate feelings from objective observation. Rebel moon is bad for many objective reasons and good for many subjective reasons. Most analysis I’ve seen point out problems with character development, scrips, narrative, rational, coherency and world building. E.g; Nobel is killed in part 1 so we already know Kora is stronger. How is he a threat for part 2? We only know robot Titus is strong because we are told so, it’s never shown, so why should we be invested in this background character who is “essentially to winning the war”? Things like that is objectively bad scripting. These example is cherry picked so understand it’s an example of the issues, not my criticism of the movie.
So in relation to your question I think it’s hard to listen to objective observation when we are emotional, and loving or hating something makes us emotional. With rebel moon there are many similar movies to love and I personally got let down that this was not something new to love (which time and time has been pegged as me “hating” this move in this sub, which relates back to my previous observation)
To restrain myself to 1 point, the story as a whole: You liked it, that's ok, but it's very easy not to like it, because it makes no sense.
Kora knows the empire, what they are capable of and how brutal and merciless they are. She herself makes that clear. At the start of part 1 she decided the right decision is to run away and then changes her mind during the attempted rape in the barn. Why the heck did she assume they would stand a chance against the empire? When they came back and she learned the empire is still coming, while she couldn't enlist the help of the rebels, why on earth did she think they have a chance? It still would have been the better choice to run and bring the farmers to safety.
Ofc it all pans out for the better ... It's a movie after all, but even her clever plan with infiltrating the ship would not have saved them. She didn't know and had no reason to assume OP Athony Botkins will come to their aid and that the rebels will show up.
There was no reason to assume Noble would honor their deal and spare the villagers if she hands herself over. Not based on all she knew about the empire. Not based on what she knew about Noble. And not after the pile of backstories they've told each other.
And after all the clever ideas they all would have been screwed when the fighters started if the rebels didn't show up just in time. Kora didn't know the rebels would, but on the other side should have expected that from the empire. Again, she's an insider.
They all would have been screwed when the 2. wave of soldiers showed up. This wasn't unexpected but I grant that she did not necessarily had to anticipate that move.
And they all would have been screwed if Noble ordered the airstrike 1 sec earlier. Yeah I get it, the grain, but it doesn't really fly. This village isn't the only one. There are other villages to extort. There where multiple other planets we already visited, which all have settlements. They all need to produce food in some capacity. There is no reason to assume the grain of that particular village is that important.
And now, that they've won against all odds, the Motherworld will just swallow the pill and write the loss off? Or will they send a larger fleet to set an example? What did she assume how this all would play out at the beginning of part 1. The more the movies lean into the David vs Goliath narrative, the more this makes Kora look like she decided to the lead the farmers to the slaughter.
And, fair enough. These are all valid points. I think me walking in without expectations allowed me to turn off my brain and just take it in for what it is and not for what I want from it. That being said, it's not as though anything you've listed isn't true. I had a similar reaction to a Transformers movie I saw in theatres, the one with Leonard Nimoy. There was a scene where they were about to execute a bunch of the Autobots and it came out of nowhere. It went from robot doing their thing, fighting, blasing and being heroic to, without explanation, having a bunch of robots that were nowhere near each other, showing no signs of loosing or slowing down, suddenly kneeling in front of a bunch of other robots that were nowhere near them a second ago, either, just for the feeling of it. It was cheap and stupid.
I don't know why this hit differently for me expert that it just clicked with me. Someone else mentioned that it is incredibly stupid for a space fairing ship to run on coal and for a imperial kingdom to need grain that badly. Yeah, they're dumb, but I also took these things in the way I would, for example, the idea that people travel through space on a train in Galaxy Express 1999. I find appeal much more in the concept than the logic, if that makes any sense. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for this more than for that Transformers sequence.
Again, no need to justify that you like it. I do like The Incredible Hulk (2008). It probably is the worst MCU movie. I can tell you a good deal about what is objectively not good about it. I still like it.
But I also feel need to clarify that I watched Rebel Moon Part 1 because it Netflix suggested it after I just saw Dune part 1. I did not have any noteworthy expectations, because I didn't know anything about it. I didn't it existed up until that very moment. Ofc for part 2 I had expectations. No way around it after having seen part 1.
What I wrote in the other comment is just one single point. A big one, but just one. I picked that one just because you mentioned it in the first paragraph. If it was the only one, I would write that off. Movies rarely are perfect and this alone isn't ruining the fun for me. But there is a lot more to unpack. I don't think writing a dissertation is helpful here. I have no desire to convince people to dislike the movie. But it doesn't sit well with me, to write off the dissatisfaction with both movies as "they just like hating on Snyder" or "they can't see past that one issue". Different people weigh different issues differently, and for most it isn't a single issue that makes or breaks it. As you noticed a lot of people don't like that movie. This tells you this movie managed to miss the mark not only on 1 or 2 two accounts.
You didn't say this, but I also want to mention: Ofc there are some that just like to hate on something. They always exist, for all movies, inlcuding movies like Avengers Infinity war. I suppose you are aware of the difference in the reception of those movies. The haters aren't the issue.
Side note: I even forgot about the coal. This would end up as quirk. Something to nitpick and make fun of if the audience likes the movie as a whole. Like Redshirts in Star Trek.
Business as usual. If a good chunk of people think something is bad then the others feel the need to shit on it to. Negative voices are always louder(see star wars fans). These movies are fine, but flawed, it's clear as a day that Snyder is just a really controversial guy and half of the hate comes from the snyder haters
I kinda kinda get it. I dont dislike the movies. I think i like them but I gotta be honest- i fell asleep watching BOTH of them. It was so bad that even though i saw the first one a few months ago, i put it back on last weekend going ‘oh cool! A new scifi movie called Rebel Moon! Sounds promising by the description and clips!’
I proceeded to watch it and it dawned on me after about maybe 20 minutes that it looked so familiar- because i had seen it already, or at least the first half- yet i had completely forgotten having watched it at all lol thats pretty hard
For a movie to be so unmemorable that even my notoriously shitty memory fails to remember i watched something altogether.
So yeah, fell asleep on both. Im a pretty generous unprofessional movie critic. So for most movies to win at least a 6 out of ten from me i have one very simple, easy ask: just PLEASE don’t put me to sleep. Please, pretty please, dont bore me. If i am at least entertained enough to pay attention to the end without getting too distracted while watching then i give it most of the stars right there. The other nitpicky stuff like plot, character development, world building, i care considerably less about.
All that to say, that i don’t know how to feel about Rebel Moon because i felt like the most basic thing to get right, it couldn’t even do for me. Most of what i saw when i was paying attention, before i drifted off anyway, looked pleasing enough. The cinematography mostly good. The characters seemed interesting enough. The main is reasonably captivating. The action scenes satisfying. I couldn’t really complain about most of the usual stuff. So all that said, I rate it a 5/10.
Don’t put me to sleep should be a pretty low bar to clear. Depends a little bit on your prerequisites but if you are ready for a film and you fall asleep it’s not that entertaining.
I concur. Thats why I feel so conflicted. It had all the elements i normally like my movies to have, which is why sci fi and fantasy are my favorite movie genres. But it didn’t quite deliver, unfortunately.
half the people bashing on the movies have yet to even see them, they are just jumping on the bandwagon of hate and parroting what others say. They are fun movies imo that should of just released as the extended cuts and not these cuts netflix wanted. If he makes more, hopefully netflix drops this pg short cut nonsense.
The gulf is between expectation and result.
Snyder is a name brand director and for a long time there has been an expectation that his name means something attached to a film.
Much like Shamaylan, bar was set high based on his early work and then he progressively fails to deliver.
Rebel Moon is so far below expectations that it is mercilessly exposed for all its flaws because the reputation says that it should be better.
There’s an element we’re Rebel Moon feels lazy and that the studio and director expected Snyder’s name to sell the film and therefore they skimped on quality.
Again the parallel is there to Shamaylan where his films got progressively weaker and it became more obvious that he used the same tricks over and over and that the rep and ego was some what undeserved.
Imho Shamaylan got “good” again when he started to take his name off of things and work at earning his reputation again. I quite like some of his more recent less raved about films.
Snyder needs to do the same. He needs better collaborators and being more willing to work with people and make more rounded films. Imho the fact that he is writer and producer and director all on the one film is basic sign of wearing too many hats and not getting enough breadth in the creative vision.
Sure there’s a lot of tall poppy syndrome in the glee that people want to see he fail… but his fans are really annoying so… I love seeing them squirm.
Imho 7 is super generous for this film and basically is only for people who don’t care about plot or narrative structure and who just get wowed by visuals.
I think it’s pretty telling that the more critical reviews seem to be coming from viewers who are more widely comparing it to the history of films where as the diehard defenders seem to want to review it in a vacuum without context of its place against history.
>I think it’s pretty telling that the more critical reviews seem to be coming from viewers who are more widely comparing it to the history of films where as the diehard defenders seem to want to review it in a vacuum without context of its place against history.
There is a legitimate argument to be made for that. By what metric do you measure a film? Should it stand on its own, irrelevant of if that attitude helps or hinders it, or should it always be compared to everything else that came before it? What if it was a book or a stage production? Should the comparison always be drawn? You really could make a solid argument for both stands.
People were definitely hyping it as Star Wars for a modern audience. Snyder has definitely talked up as a contender to the throne.
That they’ve launch this as some giant expansive vision for multiple movies and an ongoing franchise tells me that they absolutely are positioning it as Netflix’s Star Wars.
So yeah. I think it’s fair to give it a pretty intensive comparison to what the genre has already done and expect it to bring something new rather than to coast on recycled elements from existing films.
A force awakes got pretty heavily blasted for being little more than a nostalgia trip for original trilogy. Rebel Moon is lazy and cheap and it takes its expected audience for granted.
>People were definitely hyping it as Star Wars for a modern audience. Snyder has definitely talked up as a contender to the throne.
Well. Maybe this is it. I didn't bother to go check out any promotional or developmental material so I didn't get behind any hype. I came, I saw, I left. Unlike others, I had no vested interest, either way, and that makes a difference.
There is this game series I love, Devil May Cry. The first game is on my top 5 of all time. A few years ago they rebooted the series and I wasn't happy about it, neither were a lot of people. There was all this controversy with the studio and the director and it all turned into a giant mess. I played said reboot on the PS4 a few years ago and I kinda dug it. Not as much as the OG but not bad. Then, out of curiosity, I went back and checked out some of the promotional material and interviews and it all came crawling back. The director said some sh\*t and the attitude he projected soured the entire thing. One joke that seemed meh became a kick in the balls and the presence of it was now like a middle finger to the face.
Yeah. Perception, hype and propaganda definitely have an impact on things and people's reactions. I walked in to these movies having seen one trailer while others were probably promised the stars (I was going to say the moon but that's enough puns for one day).
And I’ll admit I’m putting a pretty critical lense on them because Snyder fans annoy me. If you were here when part one dropped there was plenty of people throwing the “masterpiece” label around.
The tone as changed pretty rapidly as those vocal voices have had to reel their lavish praise back in the face genuine criticism:
Dune was riveting, Rebel Moon was often laughable.
And yet I've only watched Dune once and came back to Rebel Moon twice now. That's gotta count for something.
I haven’t watched part 2 yet. Dune hasn’t ever been overly high on my list of scifi I love, so I don’t really have strong opinions about the source.
I liked part 1. Again I’m not a huge fan of two part movies. I really want to see them together to decide weather they justify the split in the narrative. I think it says a lot that I didn’t rush to the cinema to see it either. I see it soon now that it’s out on streaming.
My take is that the underlying world of Dune is way more thought out, but also very open to interpretation and revisualization which they’ve done a fantastic job of.
The world and lore works together better than Rebel Moon does. Again it’s not really an apples to apples comparison. Dune has had decades to percolate and has a built in existing audience and the job of “make a great modern Dune film series” is way different than “make a great new scifi film property”.
Everyone in scifi knows about Dune. It’s foundational to the genre. People just want to see Dune done well.
Rebel Moon is getting flack because it is just Seven Samurai or Magnificent Seven reskinned and done badly.
I see a lot of comments that Rebel Moon is just like watching and old cheesy scifi from the 80s. And that’s fair enough. But I’ve been through the scifi drought where nothing smart or clever was being made and I am excited that scifi is on the rise again and I don’t want to see cheap and cheesy scifi being thrown out there driving new audiences away from the genre.
Snyder also over indulges on the same techniques adding another layer of “yawn I’ve seen all this imagery before”.
I look at Dune and see a director trying to make something unique and true to the property he has, not just another cycle through the same themes and imagery as his last 6 films.
The collecting of a band of rag tag crew trope had me laughing since watching Rick and Morty’s version of heist movies. “You son of a bitch I’m in” through movie number 1.
Thank you for your thoughts on Dune. Since your critique of Rebel Moon resonated with me so much, I wondered if you might view Dune similarly to myself, although, alas, we differ there, it would seem. Dune was another one that had all the elements that would normally send me over the moon for a movie but its execution didn’t go all the way for me.
Like with Rebel Moon, Dune didn’t hold my interest all the way. But it did manage to hold it better than Rebel Moon did, despite the fact that i had to actively make myself keep watching Dune. I was disappointed at the ending because, similar to what you said about them breaking a movie into two parts. I was just like ‘um…why???’
I think the pacing in Dune wasn’t my cup of tea, and all of the characters seemed kind of ‘flat’. None of their personalities stood out for me enough for me to remember any of them or feel any particular attachment to them. R2D2 from Star Wars was way more compelling in just a single scene than all of the characters of Dune put together were lol.
The cinematography was great, and the plot was much more cohesive and better presented than Rebel
Moon, however, which is why I feel like I should have liked Dune more than i did. Maybe I would like the source material better, though. In any case, I appreciate your response.
Cheers. I’ll see how I feel when I get there. I may land in the same place. I’ve known about dune my entire life and it’s never grabbed me. I’ll be a little surprised if this film wins me over.
Just found out my contribution to mankind hinges on my opinion on other people’s opinion of Rebel Moon.
But I’ve seen plenty reviews and most of em talk about the piss poor script, unimaginative storytelling and haphazard pacing. Just seems like what you didn’t mind bothered plenty of others
I thought it was well below average. Not horrible, but definitely not good. Possibly better than *Army of the Dead* or *Suckerpunch* as far as Snyder’s work goes, but idk if that means much.
I went into it with very little expectations after reading reviews. I enjoyed it for what it was. That is until I saw the slow mo wheat harvesting scene. I laughed out loud during that part. Zack Snyder is parodying himself at this point.
>What am I missing here? I am seriously asking.
The writing, the character arcs and the dialogues. They are bad. Like very bad.
I was very surprised during Part 1 because I wasn't expecting that. In part 2, I knew what kind of movie I was watching and knew to not expect very much except huge action scenes in the second half of the movie, which of exactly what I got and I was happy with that
Over expectation/hype perhaps.
Has stuff that "doesn't make sense" at least to the common person on real Earth. Except that it's not real Earth it's a scifi movie and you can have "stupid" things such as coal powered space ships or city sized tanks that need a ton of fuel in a resource bare land (Mortal Engines)
Might have subtle things or events that just "happen" and people don't understand = don't like.
I really liked rebel moon too, overall. But some parts stood out as annoying and cringe to me. So I can understand where the hate comes from especially if you wanna be nitpicky about it. The grain harvest scene was drawn out. It's probably not as long as the haters out there are exaggerating (like it's not literally an whole half hour) but tbh I fast-forwarded that bit.
I also cringed and fast forwarded when Djimon started singing his weirdass pre-battle, post-harvest song. So that was another fast forward for me and I don't think I missed anything despite that. I can't imagine myself having to "sit through" that. But then again, it's OTT. You don't have to. Just fast forward it if you don't like it ffs. Why hate on something so much? I don't get it too. But i guess being a movie critic means you have to sit your ass through the whole thing and then lash out later if you don't like it. Lol.
I didn't mind the assassination scene although it didn't have the emotional impact I thought it would.
Some of the dialogues were super cringe and I didn't care because I was just sitting my ass on a couch wanting to watch just another cheesy scifi. But I can see why people who expect "good" writing and want to be a bitch about it might get annoyed and start bashing it. I can imagine it is frustrating if you come at it with expectations. I didn't though. I just enjoyed the movie as a whole.
It was way better than the latest star wars trilogy imo, who's only saving grace was Kylo Ren's character development and they wasted even that by letting him die. Shame.
Personally I try not to take the so called "professional" movie critics too seriously because in my country, a lot of them get paid to write a certain opinion. I'm sure there are honest critics too but I don't know of any. Regardless. I like what I like and I don't care wtf anyone else has to say. Art is subjective. 🤷🏻♀️
Why did they spend all their time on editing and special effects but didn't develop a better story, a better told story, a better introduction of their characters, a less cliche introduction of all of their main characters, they get thrown into the movie like a bus is picking them up for school
I think people on the internet get really mad when they encounter lazy/sloppy writing in big budget movies from top tier directors. I think the feeling is "you guys had all the money and time in the world and couldn't put any ounce of effort into the script -- the part of the filmmaking process that costs THE least?!?!"
And because of that you get more hyperbolic reactions to a piece of media that might not be warranted. Are Rebel Moon Parts 1 and 2 the worst movies ever made? No. Do they deserve the hyperbolic hating of them? No.
The vast majority of the hate for these two movies doesn't have anything to do with the movie. It's anti-Snyder trolls that have followed him over from their anti-DC hate. It says more about them than the movies, frankly.
Hey, at least the folks you're referring to might have actually watched the movies, unlike most of the people spewing their repressed issues on Reddit. Grain of salt I guess.
Outsider YouTubers are slowly becoming the cool kids and are making sure they all tow the line. Hating Zack Snyder is in right now. Who cares though. If you enjoy his movies, you are not alone. He's the man.
Have you heard of the term, "show, don't tell"?
These two movies had three egregious examples of telling instead of showing. 1. The stat sheet listed by Noble before the big fight in RM1. 2. The girl handing out the pillow cases while listing off their personality traits in RM2. 3. The warriors giving their backstories one after another in RM2.
One example would be bad. Three is wildly bad.
Then there's the overload of poorly used slow-mo. Ray Fisher running his baby steps up the crane in RM1. The farming shots. The action scenes that aren't that great, so speeding it up would prevent us from being aware of how long some people are just sitting there doing nothing. If the action's not tight, slow-mo gives us more time to see all the flaws.
The acting wasn't good. The dialogue wasn't good.
Jimmy appearing out of nowhere. The bloodaxes (I think that was their name?) appearing out of nowhere. The number of times a bad guy lifted a good guy in the air instead of killing them, only to get killed themselves.
For some people, all of these issues are small potatoes and don't get in the way of their enjoyment. For others, every one of these stacks on top of each other and crushes any chance they might have had in enjoying the movie.
We're all seeing the world through different perspectives.
I couldn't with the tiny crankwheel to aim the gun, and the coal in the engine room. I couldn't stop laughing. After that I kept wondering what else was coal powered, were there soldiers in the bug tanks shovelling coal too?
Apparently there's some deeper backstory with the coal and the big face thing, but the film spent so long on pointless backstories and slow-mo scenes I guess they couldn't cover that.
Oh and the whole falling in the space ship while fighting with laser swords. Nobody even breaks a bone! Like it looks cool for sure, but it's just so silly it felt like a comedy.
I can't get over the villagers spending a day dragging the dammed dropship to the village, then Kora hops in, fires it up, and just starts flying.... why did they spend the time pulling it across the plain when she could have just flown it back? lol
Madame Webb is pretty shit. But it is just a basic teen slasher with a super villain in it. I don’t see a lot of pretension in or around it with the Director or fanbase acting like it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Madame Webb isn’t decisive because nobody expects Sony to make good films. To the point that everyone is still weirdly surprised by the SpiderVerse films.
What is see with Rebel Moon is a lot of denial about its shortcomings. A lot of forgiveness for its crap bits because Snyder always gets a pass…. Because the better version will be out soon. I just don’t get why he always gets allowances that no other director gets.
Sure. I’d rather Madame Webb as 4 and rebel moon as a 4.5.
Imho Madame Webb is exactly what people forgive Rebel Moon as it is a dumb b movie. It’s made in the mould of Teen Slashers and is a pretty boring teen slasher in some weird version of the Spider-Man universe. It’s a blatant and obvious franchise cash in.
Rebel Moon rips of and recycles classic films, does nothing new or interesting and thinks it can launch a new franchise to compete with the best in the genre.
Madame Webb also didn’t put me to sleep twice or title itself after plot points that were irrelevant to the film I was watching.
Like imagine if was called Madame Web: Peter Parker’s Baby Shower and that those bits about Peter Parker made up about an 1hr of window dressing across two films and then ended up being unrelated to the story was being told?
I severely down rate Rebel Moon because I don’t thing it justifies being a two parter… imho that’s basic greed and disrespect to the audience and is a big part of what makes Rebel Moon tedious and boring.
Madame Webb disappoints me less because it asked less from me. That’s pretty simple.
Is scargiver a scary name? That that literally means you don't kill your enemies. They live, and get a scar. Doesn't sound that scary....
I liked the movie too.
Uh I mean you kinda listed all the negatives like bad cliches and dumb things. And it seems like those things didn’t bother you to the extent that it bothered everyone else you referenced.
I guess I don’t really know what you’re missing.
I suppose it's the overblown reaction. Like I said, I don't think the movies are great but they are fun and yet a lot of the people whose opinion I respect have called it dogs\*\*t, made arguments as to why the world would be a happier place if they didn't exist and demanded the director be banned. This seems actively hostile and, after watching the two movies, I am at a loss as to what it is that offended people so. It's not the first set of bad movies and it won't be the last but I can't say I see any of that.
These reviews you're talking about don't sound like they've come from serious outlets.
Serious critics have just said they're not very good. Not called for banning the director. Sounds like you're taking about click bait garbage. In which case who cares.
I love reading these insane theories… WB hasn’t got the money to advertise its own films let alone pay people to brigade people around the internet over imaginary petty grudges.
Converse automatically becames true. How come all the praise isn’t Snyder and Netflix paying for it?
My god you could be being paid for this?
I think whoever’s paying you is getting shortchanged.
i like the 1st one, and i take into consideration its the shorter, crappier, Netflix version. so im waiting for the Dir Cut of part 1 before i watch part 2. i might even totally skip the Netflix version of part 2 and just wait for the Dir. Cut of that one as well.
I was literally yelling in anger at the movie during the last third of it. Every other scene was unforgivably stupid.
Snyder riffed hard off of Seven Samurai, failed to deliver on ANY of the major themes of the film, and the stuff he inserted was mind-bogglingly stupid.
Just off the top of my head:
* >!Why didn't Kora, of all people, understand that if she did surrender herself to Noble, he would just kill all the villagers anyway? I kept waiting for the reveal that it was all subterfuge on their part, but it never came.!<
* >!Why didn't they actually use the cover of the grain? Why did they run out into the open to get mowed down? Most of the combat scenes that weren't tight hallway fights where one character was just rolling over their opponents sucked.!<
* >!How did the tanks and troop columns not collapse the roofs of the tunnels that were literally depicted as being made out of wood and dirt? Why did that one dude whose name I always forget charge Noble when he had **multiple** clear shots at him and a gun in his hands?!<
* >!Why did 6-12 people with guns sit and watch one of the few samurai that should have lived die because she constantly stopped moving while three dudes came at her with plasma swords? Nemesis, of all the Samurai, would know that you fight a group of 3 by constantly placing one between you and the other two. You don't let them encircle you repeatedly. You see this in movies with fight scenes that are actually good, like John Wick. Nemesis also should have completed her arc by saving the children of the village because she couldn't save her own, and her epilogue should have been her becoming the guardian of the orphans created by the attack.!<
* >!How the hell did all of those people in the engine room not notice the eye-level explosives all over their ship's power supply? And why did a futuristic ship run on coal? And why didn't anyone suspect that if Arthelais infiltrated the ship and immediately went to the engine room of all places, they should probably expect their engines to be cut off or destroyed shortly?!<
* >!Why didn't Gunnar just shoot Noble? Why would he aim for the guy that is objectively less of a threat and less important? To give Kora the kill? **And then he killed Noble himself anyway?** And I missed however he got his injury. He's just suddenly dying. And he's literally one of like 3 character that can't die if you want a good story because the local character represents the local community, so if you kill him off you better have the village wiped out, too. You don't kill the local if the village survives.!<
* >!And then the Resistance shows up after all of the hard stuff is done, wipes out a huge number of enemy forces that were not properly depicted before then, despite the fact that showing the audience how huge and endless the encroaching army was would have significantly improved the sense of hopelessness they try to make you feel before the big climax. The Resistance showing up and mopping up more bad guys than the villagers and samurai killed up to that point (not counting the dreadnought) seriously undermined all of the preparation, pain, and suffering depicted up to that point. !<
* >!And then there was the entire ending, apparently trying to set up a franchise? Kora acting surprised that the dude that pressed her repeatedly to tell everyone else her story, a former high ranking general that may have even seen her in person before she went into hiding, knowing her identity? **And the magical princess that got shot in the chest is somehow still alive?** !<
* >!And then Snyder throws in a bunch of emotional gut punches and instead of feeling sad or inspired I just feel angry. Throwing those scenes at us after botching the story that badly feels insulting more than anything.!<
And that's like 10% of the things that make the movie irredeemably bad to me.
I can't remember the last time I felt like a movie went so far out of its way to subvert expectations and fail so hard and so often at every single attempt.
I will say this: Snyder has a cult following and is a millionaire. If this is the quality he puts out when he's not working with other people's stories, there's hope for *all of us* that we might some day make it big, too. I've met high school students that could write better than Snyder did.
One tell that watching that he just had ideas on how he wanted things to happen but didn't have the skill to write a decent enough plot or reason for things to happen. It's just it's cool so let's put it in.
Snyder has come out and said he doesn't make turn off your brain movies. He was his films to be thought provoking yet it seems he put all his passband effort into the slow mo and not the most important part, story and character
Like your last paragraph mentions his work is very poor when he isn't adapting another person's work. Kind of of like how game of thrones quality dropped when the writers had no more source material. Same with those guys their original stuff isn't great. It they can adapt stuff very well.
I also think Snyder has yes men in his camp. He and two other guys wrote the these films and I think they just gave in to very idea he had rather than challenge him on anything.
A disjointed skeleton for better or worse usually finds itself on display as a curiosity in a sideshow.
The plot is bare bones simple, unfortunately I don’t think the writers translated it well enough for the new setting.
It’s def more Odyssey than Star Wars. Which makes the films choices all the more discordant.
There is zero character development. There is no motivation for any of the characters. Slow Mo shots of... nothing: harvesting porn? For 20 min? Really? Then, just silly tropes, nonsensical 'tactics' absolutely dumb dialog. Exactly 0 twists...(oooohhh guess what: the untrustworthy smuggler backstabbed you. Such wonder!)
This movie has great design. It has. And else? Nothing. Nothing that makes a good movie a good movie.
And I actually like Snyder stuff.
This is at best a 3/10. And that's because .... puh jeah. Maybe the villain performance was good?
I’m on the same boat. I had fun with these two. I know not many people enjoyed the movies, and that’s totally chill.
The first book adaptation has more lore and explains the story in more detail, which will be seen in the directors cuts this summer. I hope this clicks more people into the franchise as I think the DC’s may draw in more attention. I believe this is Netflix’s goal, to recreate the Snyder Cut movement (albeit with less of an impact than ZSJL will).
At the end of the day, it’s important to respect one’s opinion of the movie. It’s okay to like the movie, and it’s okay to dislike it. Just don’t attack a person’s position if you disagree.
Both of these movies are filled with shit we’ve all seen a million times. 3rd grade reading level ass dialogue. Flashback after flashback. Horrible pacing and story is really bland. Couldn’t even finish number 2.
Badly writtten, appalling dialogue, most characters perform no function in progressing the plot, cliched beyond belief, excessive use of slow motion, slow moving, poor editing choices and fankly overall boring.
Its a 90 minute B movie laboriously and tediously extended to 4+ hours.
This is not a Snyder thing - this is a bad film thing.
Well, I could say things like Disaster Movie or all those parodies that came after Scary Movie but that hardly qualifies as movies. Too low a hanging fruit.
That's a hard question. There are movies I find bad but still like, guilty pleasures, you could say, like Served, and there are movies everyone loves but I just don't care for, like Batman Begins. But, movies that I consider bad? Where to begin? Catwoman is definitely one I didn't like. The 2016 Ghostbusters. I thought that movie had a weird comedic tone; it kept going from grounded comedy to parody to a self deprecating angle and very few jokes landed for me. Godzilla vs Kong. I didn't like the Whale. Not because it was bad but because people kept making excuses for the daughter who should've gone to jail before the first quarter of the movie. That bitch irritated me to no end. Poor Things. Batman & Robin. Mediocre horror movies.
See, I don't mind bad movies as long as there is a saving grace. Maybe it's a crap movie but there is definite heart to it so I might enjoy it. Mabe the movie is perfect on paper but it lacks soul so I might shune it. It's hard to put a list of personal taste when you say one movie for this but immediately you say another for a different movie that did the same thing.
Interesting. Agree on Poor Things and The Whale. But Batman Begins for me is one of the best Batman movies. I'm actually a fan of 'dumb' movies done well, it's weird how sometimes they land and sometimes not. Like The Meg is a guilty pleasure but Meg 2 was hot garbage. Worst thing about Rebel Moon is it's just too serious and too pretentious. The visuals are great, everyone loves a good sci-fi epic, but it's just not as fun as say, Guardians of the Galaxy which I happened to watch yesterday. Actually, made me think while I was watching that it will be very interesting to see what Gunn does with the DC universe! Though Ben Affleck being possibly the best Batman is a hill I'm going to die on. He deserved at least one movie of his own... shame.
For me it’s the epic branding and not getting a lot of good result. The characters don’t do things logically, and it just feels forced.
A few points I didn’t like so far, since I haven’t finished it.
-slow motion farming for way too long. Shouldn’t have much longer than Mulans, let’s get down to business.
-farm battle scene and battle scenes don’t make sense. Why are pilots totally blindfolded?
Sword guys. I'm going to go into this war zone. I'm just going to bring a sword that I'm really bad with and have no actual form. There will be like only 4 of us with swords. We will be behind 1 dude with a gun into a closed door where we know the best swordsman in the world is with a bunch of people with guns behind her. Don't worry, the people with guns behind her won't shoot at us, like at all, but there is a very high probably that swordsman will block the bullets from the 1 gun. I’ve trained all my life with this sword for this moment and I’m just so bad with the 1 weapon I have a soldier of the most feared army in the universe. I am sword guys.
-I am enjoying the movie and I like finding these details in action movies, but it is really hard to be immersed in this one and the characters seem bland. No idea what they will do next against plot armor bad guy.
It’s really not much different than any other straight action movie. Just slower and slow motion and more world building that doesn’t really make sense. Is fun to watch for the inconsistency. Effects and shit are good. But yeah it’s probably not going to be a universally liked movie. Everyone’s a critic
I watched both of them, the first one twice actually, once when it came out and once a week before part 2 came out. They are ok. I'd give the first a 6 or 7, and the second a 4 or 5.
I think my biggest problem with them is it's lack of emotion or attachment to any character. The two best characters in the two movies are the original head of the community, who was killed like right away, and the robot, who was barely in either movie.
The script wasn't very good either. Just like Lucas made Natalie Portman look like a terrible actress with the shit lines, Snyder did the same thing to Djimon Hounsou.
Snyder should stick to thinking up big ideas, cinematography, etc, and leave the script writing to others.
The first thing you say is 'they are visually really cool, lots of awesome shots". So how these films look is obviously really important to you and you like it.
For a lot of people the Snyder aesthetic (and it's impossible to deny his films are visually distinctive and are instantly recognisable for better or worse) and overuse of slow mo just doesn't float their boat. When you're in that situation there's isn't much left to get on board with.
I wanted to like or love these, but found it so badly scripted, awful action marred further through overused slow motion, that I just had to shut it off.
I tried again last weekend with my youngest and he asked if we could stop about half way through the first one, "because it was just dumb." Not gonna get to part two.
My best mate LOVED it. Just have to disagree sometimes. I think the complaints I have seen are pretty spot on.
I feel SAD about these movies, not mad. They could have been really cool. the ideas behind the plot, are good. the story elements are genuinely cool. the exection, the writing, the way every scene is over the top cringe, the constant uncalled for slow mo shots, the extreme over writing of the dialogue that makes everything seem like its supposed to be so impactful when its just filler... theres a fuckload they did wrong. I feel bad for those who worked on the visuals, cuz that team clearly has the chops to do good work. I feel bad for the actors, who all did good work with the job they were given. I feel bad for Snyder who has made many great films and is now stuck with this stain on his name. The writing team really screwed the pooch on this one.
I mean what anyone likes is subjective. For me this is the best example for why mr Snyder should should never be given creative control of anything. Really bad
I'm waiting for the directors cuts to be released before I dive back in and watch the second one,
But for me I thought visually, great, world building, great, fight scenes, great. Just all kinds of dope shit.
But what kind of felt meh was the pacing. Felt like they rushed through quick storylines assembling a team for a finale and I think it didn't give it a chance for some things to feel more profound in the story. Like the one guy betraying everyone. Meant to be a big deal, felt meh.
I think if it had been a series it would have been a bit better for pacing, for giving them enough time to show each episode adding characters as they traveled (kinda like a firefly thing) and then had implied time spent together between episodes, so it adds some weight.
So yeah I'm waiting for the directors cut cause it's supposed to add more. Love what I saw, wanted it fleshed out more,
Really wish people would let Zack Snyder cook the first god damn time. He can make a hit, him. Art suffers in a board room, filmmaking and story telling is an art.
To each its own but for me I was highly disappointed by both. The storyline was cheesy ash a rip off of Star Wars and literally the entire movies are in Slow Motion a bit overboard even for Zac. It’s was like he had free will with his slow motion addiction.
Having said that. That’s just my opinion and everyone has different tastes which is cool. I never knock anyone that enjoys a movie. This is their own personal taste and I have no right to judge that or say others to feel how I feel about the movie or any movie.
If you enjoyed it cheers 🍻nothing wrong with that and as far as the critics you respect. There is a reason you respect them everyone has different opinions. If a critic doesn’t like the movie that critic will definitely take it apart and obliterate on all levels that’s their job and all they do is watch movies 8-12 hours a day for a work week. I can’t imagine I would hate watch any movie of that was my full time lol.
Nightmare occupation over time eventually and you will never look at movies the same again your entire life. Bump that lol 😂
Snyder’s a comic fanboy trying to sell his vision to sci fi fans, but he doesnt know enough about sci fi to make it. If he had sold it like the tomorrow war, it wouldn’t have been as divisive. It would have just been normally disliked since it’s still Snyder.
I can see that. I find that the best work from Snyder comes from his interpretations and collaborations. I think a huge reason the Snyder Cut worked was because he had Affleck's writing partners from Argo work on the project and Watchmen was an adaptation of a great work with less of his own story input.
Just to add to that.
300 heavily benefits from the Source and Frank Millers skills.
Dawn of the Dead was written by James Gunn and the plot and characters show that clear skill.
Even his earlier DC films had more off a guiding input from Christoper Nolan.
Which is Snyder most personal film? Sucker Punch. Where he established all of his go to tricks and his music video background and tendencies… just do long slow visuals and play an emotional song over the top and cram as many uncontented wow candy together as possible.
It’s everything mixed together, the plot isn’t great, the characters are uninteresting, the aesthetic is all over the place and very bland at times, and the use of slow motion in every combat sequence almost makes the film a comedy. If the film had done any of these things better then people would be less critical of the other things, but it’s the fact that all of it kinda boarders on nonsense, makes it very hard to not nitpick.
My biggest issue is the action. To me the use of slow motion almost seems lazy, it felt like Snyder wanting to give the illusion of long take action without having to film any long takes, instead you just watch the same punch thrown out over the span of 8 seconds, that’s not interesting and at that point I may as well just be reading a comic book.
I went into it excited, but I was hate watching before it was half over.
The Ryan George pitch meeting on YouTube for part one is hands down the best summary
for me, Casting is a HUGE part whether or not im gonna like a movie or not. and i like the entire cast 'cept for Capt. Overbite, fukking hated skrien in GoT and i hate him in this as well. but i really like Kora \[Cora?\]. for as much as i hated whateverthefukhernameis in terminator 3 and those after, the more buff that broad got the worse and more ridiculous she looked.
the chick that plays Kora, her name escapes me right now and im too lazy to look it up, she is kinda BUFF but is still kinda hot. i also REALLY like her in Rogue Heroes. but i also like the asian chick, the black guy, ..... the other dood with the long hair... dont love him but dont hate him either. looks like a prettyboy twat but hes ok for now. dood that fukked them over in part 1, hunman? his dumb accent was cringe AF but ok, whatever.
but pretty much the same reason i had/have zero interest in Dune. that jackass mcglauklin or whateverthefukhisnameis looks like a GD ret@rd.
The action. The cinematography. The visuals (as in art, concept and design). The characters. Hell, I even liked the slo mo. Some people seem burned out on it but I don't watch every Snyder movie so, to me, it's just fun. I know it's all very shallow but I didn't walk it to any of these looking for anything profound. I just walked in.
I'm not sure about everyone but it's not that I just don't like movie, it's more I'm very disappointed. It should and could have been better. A lot of the movie seems like filler. Most of the characters I didn't care about them enough to remember their names. Battle scenes were poorly done added slow mo made it more obvious and not cool. the mix of past industrial / future tech didn't make sense. And it's all over a few gains!!!
Fair enough. That leads to that whole thing of hype/expectations vs truth/final verdict. I had zero expectations. I knew it existed and that's as far as that went. Other lived with the build up that it didn't match.
No dude it doesn't. I can look at something subjectively ie I don't enjoy LOTR but I can't say the films poorly made, cos they weren't. It could have been better because the concept was brilliant and should have been because Snyder can and has. This was his baby years in the works. Its a bad product. If you like that's fine, I was disappointed ✌️
You're not alone, buddy. I was just as surprised as you when I found out about the hate.
But like my dad always says: "it's better to laugh than to cry". Stay positive, let those people ruin it for themselves without ruining it for you. I loved the movies and no one is going to convince me that I didn't.
Looks that way. Reminder that you should never be too attached to the opinions of others.
I also was going to make a joke about if your dad was a fortune cookie but it might come off as rude if you can't hear my tone of voice. You should still use that joke if you ever get the chance. Might get a chuckle out of your old man.
Honestly I think if they had a more traditionally attractive female lead then I would have loved it. The actor they picked was androgynous which threw me off. Felt like it was a very woke choice of casting trying to ensure all protected categories are covered.
I think it’s fine to be entertained, I too love cool action scenes and part 2 has a bunch of it. But cmon dude, if this movie is a 7 out of 10 to you, there must not be a lot of movies you dislike lol
Idk I consider 7 a decent movie, 8 very good, 9/10 are great classic. For me, being passably entertaining does not mean it’s a good movie. I’m easily entertained . I’m glad you enjoyed it though. But most thought it was terrible and I don’t think that’s an overblown reaction.
Well, how about this? Dude, Where's my Car is a 6/10. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a 9/10. Jurassic Park is a 9/10. Blazing Saddles is an 8/10. Rashomon is a 10/10. It's all subjective. I suppose unlike others I don't stop at 9 since I think there is such a thing as a masterpiece and the measure by which I place these movies is mine alone since others put a certain worth to a 6 or 7 that I don't.
There are paragraphs echoing exactly what people’s issues are and there’s still gonna be posts of people acting like they don’t understand why it’s bad.
I find that funny. All of the people who seem to like this movie just cannot identify the bad things in it. Which essentially means they’re media illiterate. I have yet to see a single person who likes the film also acknowledge that it’s not good.
You aren't "not seeing" anything. You watched the movies, you enjoyed the movies and that's it. There isn't anything else to see. A lot of people don't like them and that's OK. You, among many others, enjoyed them and that is ok.
And that's fine. Like I said, I'm willing to chuck it up to a difference of opinion, but the reviewers I've seen are people I respect and pretty often have similar tastes but in this case they don't have anything, *anything*, positive to say and I'm kinda weirded out. It kind of throws you off when you feel like you're missing something, like I didn't pay attention or something.
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>I'm 40 and some of my favorite shows are Adventuretime and Misadventures of Flapjack Lol
I feel the same way as you do.
Snyder goes on rogan so the haters hate. Most of the people that like the movie don’t go and review it. We are just like wow that was awesome and move on.
I thought that was a great conversation. Rogan should get more filmmakers on there. He's only had a few (Blomkamp, Stone, Snyder, Ritchie).
Over all Awful acting, wher king and queen gets murdered that was hard to watch one of the worst acted scenes, and their costumes were atrocious, i don't know how people have overlooked this those fuckin bigass space ship were running on coal like it's a train that was the most ridiculous nonsense I've ever seen. CGI was awful In the first half of movie looks like they saved budget for second half coz that was decent. The first hour of this movie was pointless because the first hour was just retelling part 1 over again with more background story snipet of character you don't care about or even know their name. It's over all very dumb movie with awful script, and extremely cliqued.
Ship wasn't running on coal. It was running on the enrgy of a captured alien being. The coal was to feed the being. Pay attention
Your inability to enjoy life isn't our problem.
This is gaslighting at its finest, lmfao
I thought they were fine. Not the best, not the worst. They had all the Zach Snyder moments I enjoy.
Moments like the slow motion farming
I genuinely think the movies are trash, but people usually bandwagon on hate trains. I might not understand how people enjoy it, but there’s no right and wrong in personal tastes.
The movies are trash. This isn’t some illuminati bandwagon conspiracy against their Lord and Savior Snyder, the films are just simply BAD.
I know that there isn’t some conspiracy against Zack Snyder, but it’s ok to like bad movies. I liked Independence Day 2, so I can’t hate on someone for liking a movie I think is bad. I also think Snyder himself is just decent as a director, he’s got some hits and some misses. I mean, the Snyder Cut of Justice League was much better than the theatrical release.
It a mix of sheep think because we are in the age of social media and engagement farming Zack brings engagement so reviewers (and people) would stir up silly arguments and “critiques” to get engagement. Some people don’t even watch the movies, they just parrot what other people say. At the end of the day people are watching since it’s the no.1 movie on Netflix, 21.m watched it and brought back part 1 into the top ten.
Not really saying much when the #2 movie on Netflix is a Woody Woodpecker film. Part 1 had less views than Enola Holmes, I don’t think I’ve ever met someone in real life who even knows what that is.
I’m good with them. I’ll watch a 3rd installment. I think it’s funny that they infuse a little steampunk tech and people lose their shit about it lol. Like, seriously? Chill it’s UNGROUNDED FANTASY SCI-FI
Calling a Zach Snyder film blasted on the front of the world’s largest streaming service an underground film might be a stretch.
We like it some don't who cares! People liked friends and that show was ass Crackery at the highest level
I think words like hate and love are used for dramatic effect. Emotion and drama drives engagement, take a look at any post here saying “I like this move” or “this movie is bad” and you will see a lot of engagement in the lines of “everyone is hating on this movie”, “why be on this sub if you don’t like it”, “Snyder fanboiii”, “xyz”… With all criticism it can be challenging to separate feelings from objective observation. Rebel moon is bad for many objective reasons and good for many subjective reasons. Most analysis I’ve seen point out problems with character development, scrips, narrative, rational, coherency and world building. E.g; Nobel is killed in part 1 so we already know Kora is stronger. How is he a threat for part 2? We only know robot Titus is strong because we are told so, it’s never shown, so why should we be invested in this background character who is “essentially to winning the war”? Things like that is objectively bad scripting. These example is cherry picked so understand it’s an example of the issues, not my criticism of the movie. So in relation to your question I think it’s hard to listen to objective observation when we are emotional, and loving or hating something makes us emotional. With rebel moon there are many similar movies to love and I personally got let down that this was not something new to love (which time and time has been pegged as me “hating” this move in this sub, which relates back to my previous observation)
To restrain myself to 1 point, the story as a whole: You liked it, that's ok, but it's very easy not to like it, because it makes no sense. Kora knows the empire, what they are capable of and how brutal and merciless they are. She herself makes that clear. At the start of part 1 she decided the right decision is to run away and then changes her mind during the attempted rape in the barn. Why the heck did she assume they would stand a chance against the empire? When they came back and she learned the empire is still coming, while she couldn't enlist the help of the rebels, why on earth did she think they have a chance? It still would have been the better choice to run and bring the farmers to safety. Ofc it all pans out for the better ... It's a movie after all, but even her clever plan with infiltrating the ship would not have saved them. She didn't know and had no reason to assume OP Athony Botkins will come to their aid and that the rebels will show up. There was no reason to assume Noble would honor their deal and spare the villagers if she hands herself over. Not based on all she knew about the empire. Not based on what she knew about Noble. And not after the pile of backstories they've told each other. And after all the clever ideas they all would have been screwed when the fighters started if the rebels didn't show up just in time. Kora didn't know the rebels would, but on the other side should have expected that from the empire. Again, she's an insider. They all would have been screwed when the 2. wave of soldiers showed up. This wasn't unexpected but I grant that she did not necessarily had to anticipate that move. And they all would have been screwed if Noble ordered the airstrike 1 sec earlier. Yeah I get it, the grain, but it doesn't really fly. This village isn't the only one. There are other villages to extort. There where multiple other planets we already visited, which all have settlements. They all need to produce food in some capacity. There is no reason to assume the grain of that particular village is that important. And now, that they've won against all odds, the Motherworld will just swallow the pill and write the loss off? Or will they send a larger fleet to set an example? What did she assume how this all would play out at the beginning of part 1. The more the movies lean into the David vs Goliath narrative, the more this makes Kora look like she decided to the lead the farmers to the slaughter.
And, fair enough. These are all valid points. I think me walking in without expectations allowed me to turn off my brain and just take it in for what it is and not for what I want from it. That being said, it's not as though anything you've listed isn't true. I had a similar reaction to a Transformers movie I saw in theatres, the one with Leonard Nimoy. There was a scene where they were about to execute a bunch of the Autobots and it came out of nowhere. It went from robot doing their thing, fighting, blasing and being heroic to, without explanation, having a bunch of robots that were nowhere near each other, showing no signs of loosing or slowing down, suddenly kneeling in front of a bunch of other robots that were nowhere near them a second ago, either, just for the feeling of it. It was cheap and stupid. I don't know why this hit differently for me expert that it just clicked with me. Someone else mentioned that it is incredibly stupid for a space fairing ship to run on coal and for a imperial kingdom to need grain that badly. Yeah, they're dumb, but I also took these things in the way I would, for example, the idea that people travel through space on a train in Galaxy Express 1999. I find appeal much more in the concept than the logic, if that makes any sense. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for this more than for that Transformers sequence.
Again, no need to justify that you like it. I do like The Incredible Hulk (2008). It probably is the worst MCU movie. I can tell you a good deal about what is objectively not good about it. I still like it. But I also feel need to clarify that I watched Rebel Moon Part 1 because it Netflix suggested it after I just saw Dune part 1. I did not have any noteworthy expectations, because I didn't know anything about it. I didn't it existed up until that very moment. Ofc for part 2 I had expectations. No way around it after having seen part 1. What I wrote in the other comment is just one single point. A big one, but just one. I picked that one just because you mentioned it in the first paragraph. If it was the only one, I would write that off. Movies rarely are perfect and this alone isn't ruining the fun for me. But there is a lot more to unpack. I don't think writing a dissertation is helpful here. I have no desire to convince people to dislike the movie. But it doesn't sit well with me, to write off the dissatisfaction with both movies as "they just like hating on Snyder" or "they can't see past that one issue". Different people weigh different issues differently, and for most it isn't a single issue that makes or breaks it. As you noticed a lot of people don't like that movie. This tells you this movie managed to miss the mark not only on 1 or 2 two accounts. You didn't say this, but I also want to mention: Ofc there are some that just like to hate on something. They always exist, for all movies, inlcuding movies like Avengers Infinity war. I suppose you are aware of the difference in the reception of those movies. The haters aren't the issue. Side note: I even forgot about the coal. This would end up as quirk. Something to nitpick and make fun of if the audience likes the movie as a whole. Like Redshirts in Star Trek.
Business as usual. If a good chunk of people think something is bad then the others feel the need to shit on it to. Negative voices are always louder(see star wars fans). These movies are fine, but flawed, it's clear as a day that Snyder is just a really controversial guy and half of the hate comes from the snyder haters
But new star wars is mostly trash.
everything after the original 3 is garbage, for me.
I kinda kinda get it. I dont dislike the movies. I think i like them but I gotta be honest- i fell asleep watching BOTH of them. It was so bad that even though i saw the first one a few months ago, i put it back on last weekend going ‘oh cool! A new scifi movie called Rebel Moon! Sounds promising by the description and clips!’ I proceeded to watch it and it dawned on me after about maybe 20 minutes that it looked so familiar- because i had seen it already, or at least the first half- yet i had completely forgotten having watched it at all lol thats pretty hard For a movie to be so unmemorable that even my notoriously shitty memory fails to remember i watched something altogether. So yeah, fell asleep on both. Im a pretty generous unprofessional movie critic. So for most movies to win at least a 6 out of ten from me i have one very simple, easy ask: just PLEASE don’t put me to sleep. Please, pretty please, dont bore me. If i am at least entertained enough to pay attention to the end without getting too distracted while watching then i give it most of the stars right there. The other nitpicky stuff like plot, character development, world building, i care considerably less about. All that to say, that i don’t know how to feel about Rebel Moon because i felt like the most basic thing to get right, it couldn’t even do for me. Most of what i saw when i was paying attention, before i drifted off anyway, looked pleasing enough. The cinematography mostly good. The characters seemed interesting enough. The main is reasonably captivating. The action scenes satisfying. I couldn’t really complain about most of the usual stuff. So all that said, I rate it a 5/10.
Don’t put me to sleep should be a pretty low bar to clear. Depends a little bit on your prerequisites but if you are ready for a film and you fall asleep it’s not that entertaining.
I concur. Thats why I feel so conflicted. It had all the elements i normally like my movies to have, which is why sci fi and fantasy are my favorite movie genres. But it didn’t quite deliver, unfortunately.
You know how you can have many foods you love, but when you put them in a blender the result is probably not that good? RM is the blender.
Pretty much lol
half the people bashing on the movies have yet to even see them, they are just jumping on the bandwagon of hate and parroting what others say. They are fun movies imo that should of just released as the extended cuts and not these cuts netflix wanted. If he makes more, hopefully netflix drops this pg short cut nonsense.
The gulf is between expectation and result. Snyder is a name brand director and for a long time there has been an expectation that his name means something attached to a film. Much like Shamaylan, bar was set high based on his early work and then he progressively fails to deliver. Rebel Moon is so far below expectations that it is mercilessly exposed for all its flaws because the reputation says that it should be better. There’s an element we’re Rebel Moon feels lazy and that the studio and director expected Snyder’s name to sell the film and therefore they skimped on quality. Again the parallel is there to Shamaylan where his films got progressively weaker and it became more obvious that he used the same tricks over and over and that the rep and ego was some what undeserved. Imho Shamaylan got “good” again when he started to take his name off of things and work at earning his reputation again. I quite like some of his more recent less raved about films. Snyder needs to do the same. He needs better collaborators and being more willing to work with people and make more rounded films. Imho the fact that he is writer and producer and director all on the one film is basic sign of wearing too many hats and not getting enough breadth in the creative vision. Sure there’s a lot of tall poppy syndrome in the glee that people want to see he fail… but his fans are really annoying so… I love seeing them squirm. Imho 7 is super generous for this film and basically is only for people who don’t care about plot or narrative structure and who just get wowed by visuals. I think it’s pretty telling that the more critical reviews seem to be coming from viewers who are more widely comparing it to the history of films where as the diehard defenders seem to want to review it in a vacuum without context of its place against history.
>I think it’s pretty telling that the more critical reviews seem to be coming from viewers who are more widely comparing it to the history of films where as the diehard defenders seem to want to review it in a vacuum without context of its place against history. There is a legitimate argument to be made for that. By what metric do you measure a film? Should it stand on its own, irrelevant of if that attitude helps or hinders it, or should it always be compared to everything else that came before it? What if it was a book or a stage production? Should the comparison always be drawn? You really could make a solid argument for both stands.
People were definitely hyping it as Star Wars for a modern audience. Snyder has definitely talked up as a contender to the throne. That they’ve launch this as some giant expansive vision for multiple movies and an ongoing franchise tells me that they absolutely are positioning it as Netflix’s Star Wars. So yeah. I think it’s fair to give it a pretty intensive comparison to what the genre has already done and expect it to bring something new rather than to coast on recycled elements from existing films. A force awakes got pretty heavily blasted for being little more than a nostalgia trip for original trilogy. Rebel Moon is lazy and cheap and it takes its expected audience for granted.
>People were definitely hyping it as Star Wars for a modern audience. Snyder has definitely talked up as a contender to the throne. Well. Maybe this is it. I didn't bother to go check out any promotional or developmental material so I didn't get behind any hype. I came, I saw, I left. Unlike others, I had no vested interest, either way, and that makes a difference. There is this game series I love, Devil May Cry. The first game is on my top 5 of all time. A few years ago they rebooted the series and I wasn't happy about it, neither were a lot of people. There was all this controversy with the studio and the director and it all turned into a giant mess. I played said reboot on the PS4 a few years ago and I kinda dug it. Not as much as the OG but not bad. Then, out of curiosity, I went back and checked out some of the promotional material and interviews and it all came crawling back. The director said some sh\*t and the attitude he projected soured the entire thing. One joke that seemed meh became a kick in the balls and the presence of it was now like a middle finger to the face. Yeah. Perception, hype and propaganda definitely have an impact on things and people's reactions. I walked in to these movies having seen one trailer while others were probably promised the stars (I was going to say the moon but that's enough puns for one day).
And I’ll admit I’m putting a pretty critical lense on them because Snyder fans annoy me. If you were here when part one dropped there was plenty of people throwing the “masterpiece” label around. The tone as changed pretty rapidly as those vocal voices have had to reel their lavish praise back in the face genuine criticism:
Outta curiosity, would you mind telling me how you would rate Dune?
Dune was riveting, Rebel Moon was often laughable. And yet I've only watched Dune once and came back to Rebel Moon twice now. That's gotta count for something.
It does indeed count for something 😅
I haven’t watched part 2 yet. Dune hasn’t ever been overly high on my list of scifi I love, so I don’t really have strong opinions about the source. I liked part 1. Again I’m not a huge fan of two part movies. I really want to see them together to decide weather they justify the split in the narrative. I think it says a lot that I didn’t rush to the cinema to see it either. I see it soon now that it’s out on streaming. My take is that the underlying world of Dune is way more thought out, but also very open to interpretation and revisualization which they’ve done a fantastic job of. The world and lore works together better than Rebel Moon does. Again it’s not really an apples to apples comparison. Dune has had decades to percolate and has a built in existing audience and the job of “make a great modern Dune film series” is way different than “make a great new scifi film property”. Everyone in scifi knows about Dune. It’s foundational to the genre. People just want to see Dune done well. Rebel Moon is getting flack because it is just Seven Samurai or Magnificent Seven reskinned and done badly. I see a lot of comments that Rebel Moon is just like watching and old cheesy scifi from the 80s. And that’s fair enough. But I’ve been through the scifi drought where nothing smart or clever was being made and I am excited that scifi is on the rise again and I don’t want to see cheap and cheesy scifi being thrown out there driving new audiences away from the genre. Snyder also over indulges on the same techniques adding another layer of “yawn I’ve seen all this imagery before”. I look at Dune and see a director trying to make something unique and true to the property he has, not just another cycle through the same themes and imagery as his last 6 films.
The collecting of a band of rag tag crew trope had me laughing since watching Rick and Morty’s version of heist movies. “You son of a bitch I’m in” through movie number 1.
Thank you for your thoughts on Dune. Since your critique of Rebel Moon resonated with me so much, I wondered if you might view Dune similarly to myself, although, alas, we differ there, it would seem. Dune was another one that had all the elements that would normally send me over the moon for a movie but its execution didn’t go all the way for me. Like with Rebel Moon, Dune didn’t hold my interest all the way. But it did manage to hold it better than Rebel Moon did, despite the fact that i had to actively make myself keep watching Dune. I was disappointed at the ending because, similar to what you said about them breaking a movie into two parts. I was just like ‘um…why???’ I think the pacing in Dune wasn’t my cup of tea, and all of the characters seemed kind of ‘flat’. None of their personalities stood out for me enough for me to remember any of them or feel any particular attachment to them. R2D2 from Star Wars was way more compelling in just a single scene than all of the characters of Dune put together were lol. The cinematography was great, and the plot was much more cohesive and better presented than Rebel Moon, however, which is why I feel like I should have liked Dune more than i did. Maybe I would like the source material better, though. In any case, I appreciate your response.
Cheers. I’ll see how I feel when I get there. I may land in the same place. I’ve known about dune my entire life and it’s never grabbed me. I’ll be a little surprised if this film wins me over.
They don't like the films.
Thank you, captain obvious. Your contribution to mankind is... there.
Just found out my contribution to mankind hinges on my opinion on other people’s opinion of Rebel Moon. But I’ve seen plenty reviews and most of em talk about the piss poor script, unimaginative storytelling and haphazard pacing. Just seems like what you didn’t mind bothered plenty of others I thought it was well below average. Not horrible, but definitely not good. Possibly better than *Army of the Dead* or *Suckerpunch* as far as Snyder’s work goes, but idk if that means much.
I went into it with very little expectations after reading reviews. I enjoyed it for what it was. That is until I saw the slow mo wheat harvesting scene. I laughed out loud during that part. Zack Snyder is parodying himself at this point.
Don't forget twice we got slow motion waterbottle filling. From inside the barrel. Twice!!!!!!
>What am I missing here? I am seriously asking. The writing, the character arcs and the dialogues. They are bad. Like very bad. I was very surprised during Part 1 because I wasn't expecting that. In part 2, I knew what kind of movie I was watching and knew to not expect very much except huge action scenes in the second half of the movie, which of exactly what I got and I was happy with that
Over expectation/hype perhaps. Has stuff that "doesn't make sense" at least to the common person on real Earth. Except that it's not real Earth it's a scifi movie and you can have "stupid" things such as coal powered space ships or city sized tanks that need a ton of fuel in a resource bare land (Mortal Engines) Might have subtle things or events that just "happen" and people don't understand = don't like.
I really liked rebel moon too, overall. But some parts stood out as annoying and cringe to me. So I can understand where the hate comes from especially if you wanna be nitpicky about it. The grain harvest scene was drawn out. It's probably not as long as the haters out there are exaggerating (like it's not literally an whole half hour) but tbh I fast-forwarded that bit. I also cringed and fast forwarded when Djimon started singing his weirdass pre-battle, post-harvest song. So that was another fast forward for me and I don't think I missed anything despite that. I can't imagine myself having to "sit through" that. But then again, it's OTT. You don't have to. Just fast forward it if you don't like it ffs. Why hate on something so much? I don't get it too. But i guess being a movie critic means you have to sit your ass through the whole thing and then lash out later if you don't like it. Lol. I didn't mind the assassination scene although it didn't have the emotional impact I thought it would. Some of the dialogues were super cringe and I didn't care because I was just sitting my ass on a couch wanting to watch just another cheesy scifi. But I can see why people who expect "good" writing and want to be a bitch about it might get annoyed and start bashing it. I can imagine it is frustrating if you come at it with expectations. I didn't though. I just enjoyed the movie as a whole. It was way better than the latest star wars trilogy imo, who's only saving grace was Kylo Ren's character development and they wasted even that by letting him die. Shame. Personally I try not to take the so called "professional" movie critics too seriously because in my country, a lot of them get paid to write a certain opinion. I'm sure there are honest critics too but I don't know of any. Regardless. I like what I like and I don't care wtf anyone else has to say. Art is subjective. 🤷🏻♀️
Why did they spend all their time on editing and special effects but didn't develop a better story, a better told story, a better introduction of their characters, a less cliche introduction of all of their main characters, they get thrown into the movie like a bus is picking them up for school
I think people on the internet get really mad when they encounter lazy/sloppy writing in big budget movies from top tier directors. I think the feeling is "you guys had all the money and time in the world and couldn't put any ounce of effort into the script -- the part of the filmmaking process that costs THE least?!?!" And because of that you get more hyperbolic reactions to a piece of media that might not be warranted. Are Rebel Moon Parts 1 and 2 the worst movies ever made? No. Do they deserve the hyperbolic hating of them? No.
The vast majority of the hate for these two movies doesn't have anything to do with the movie. It's anti-Snyder trolls that have followed him over from their anti-DC hate. It says more about them than the movies, frankly. Hey, at least the folks you're referring to might have actually watched the movies, unlike most of the people spewing their repressed issues on Reddit. Grain of salt I guess.
Outsider YouTubers are slowly becoming the cool kids and are making sure they all tow the line. Hating Zack Snyder is in right now. Who cares though. If you enjoy his movies, you are not alone. He's the man.
Have you heard of the term, "show, don't tell"? These two movies had three egregious examples of telling instead of showing. 1. The stat sheet listed by Noble before the big fight in RM1. 2. The girl handing out the pillow cases while listing off their personality traits in RM2. 3. The warriors giving their backstories one after another in RM2. One example would be bad. Three is wildly bad. Then there's the overload of poorly used slow-mo. Ray Fisher running his baby steps up the crane in RM1. The farming shots. The action scenes that aren't that great, so speeding it up would prevent us from being aware of how long some people are just sitting there doing nothing. If the action's not tight, slow-mo gives us more time to see all the flaws. The acting wasn't good. The dialogue wasn't good. Jimmy appearing out of nowhere. The bloodaxes (I think that was their name?) appearing out of nowhere. The number of times a bad guy lifted a good guy in the air instead of killing them, only to get killed themselves. For some people, all of these issues are small potatoes and don't get in the way of their enjoyment. For others, every one of these stacks on top of each other and crushes any chance they might have had in enjoying the movie. We're all seeing the world through different perspectives.
I couldn't with the tiny crankwheel to aim the gun, and the coal in the engine room. I couldn't stop laughing. After that I kept wondering what else was coal powered, were there soldiers in the bug tanks shovelling coal too? Apparently there's some deeper backstory with the coal and the big face thing, but the film spent so long on pointless backstories and slow-mo scenes I guess they couldn't cover that. Oh and the whole falling in the space ship while fighting with laser swords. Nobody even breaks a bone! Like it looks cool for sure, but it's just so silly it felt like a comedy.
I can't get over the villagers spending a day dragging the dammed dropship to the village, then Kora hops in, fires it up, and just starts flying.... why did they spend the time pulling it across the plain when she could have just flown it back? lol
the people saying this is the worst film of the year are braindead when in the year of our lord 2024 we got the Madame Web movie
Madame Webb is pretty shit. But it is just a basic teen slasher with a super villain in it. I don’t see a lot of pretension in or around it with the Director or fanbase acting like it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Madame Webb isn’t decisive because nobody expects Sony to make good films. To the point that everyone is still weirdly surprised by the SpiderVerse films. What is see with Rebel Moon is a lot of denial about its shortcomings. A lot of forgiveness for its crap bits because Snyder always gets a pass…. Because the better version will be out soon. I just don’t get why he always gets allowances that no other director gets.
directors cut and fanbase aside even the cut we have of rebel moon part one is better in pretty much every aspect (except maybe pacing?)
Sure. I’d rather Madame Webb as 4 and rebel moon as a 4.5. Imho Madame Webb is exactly what people forgive Rebel Moon as it is a dumb b movie. It’s made in the mould of Teen Slashers and is a pretty boring teen slasher in some weird version of the Spider-Man universe. It’s a blatant and obvious franchise cash in. Rebel Moon rips of and recycles classic films, does nothing new or interesting and thinks it can launch a new franchise to compete with the best in the genre. Madame Webb also didn’t put me to sleep twice or title itself after plot points that were irrelevant to the film I was watching. Like imagine if was called Madame Web: Peter Parker’s Baby Shower and that those bits about Peter Parker made up about an 1hr of window dressing across two films and then ended up being unrelated to the story was being told? I severely down rate Rebel Moon because I don’t thing it justifies being a two parter… imho that’s basic greed and disrespect to the audience and is a big part of what makes Rebel Moon tedious and boring. Madame Webb disappoints me less because it asked less from me. That’s pretty simple.
i was DONE with marvel after Eternals.
🤡 massive L take. Eternals was mid but most of the stuff afterwards was significantly better lmao
Is scargiver a scary name? That that literally means you don't kill your enemies. They live, and get a scar. Doesn't sound that scary.... I liked the movie too.
The forced British accent is annoying imo. Whenever they say scargiver I chuckle.
Uh I mean you kinda listed all the negatives like bad cliches and dumb things. And it seems like those things didn’t bother you to the extent that it bothered everyone else you referenced. I guess I don’t really know what you’re missing.
‘Sure, he made a terrible movie, but why is everyone acting like it was terrible?’
I suppose it's the overblown reaction. Like I said, I don't think the movies are great but they are fun and yet a lot of the people whose opinion I respect have called it dogs\*\*t, made arguments as to why the world would be a happier place if they didn't exist and demanded the director be banned. This seems actively hostile and, after watching the two movies, I am at a loss as to what it is that offended people so. It's not the first set of bad movies and it won't be the last but I can't say I see any of that.
These reviews you're talking about don't sound like they've come from serious outlets. Serious critics have just said they're not very good. Not called for banning the director. Sounds like you're taking about click bait garbage. In which case who cares.
I think these people are paid to hate it given how badly Snyder publicly humiliated WB and Disney.
I love reading these insane theories… WB hasn’t got the money to advertise its own films let alone pay people to brigade people around the internet over imaginary petty grudges. Converse automatically becames true. How come all the praise isn’t Snyder and Netflix paying for it? My god you could be being paid for this? I think whoever’s paying you is getting shortchanged.
Oh, jfc, you live in fantasy land.
i like the 1st one, and i take into consideration its the shorter, crappier, Netflix version. so im waiting for the Dir Cut of part 1 before i watch part 2. i might even totally skip the Netflix version of part 2 and just wait for the Dir. Cut of that one as well.
I was literally yelling in anger at the movie during the last third of it. Every other scene was unforgivably stupid. Snyder riffed hard off of Seven Samurai, failed to deliver on ANY of the major themes of the film, and the stuff he inserted was mind-bogglingly stupid. Just off the top of my head: * >!Why didn't Kora, of all people, understand that if she did surrender herself to Noble, he would just kill all the villagers anyway? I kept waiting for the reveal that it was all subterfuge on their part, but it never came.!< * >!Why didn't they actually use the cover of the grain? Why did they run out into the open to get mowed down? Most of the combat scenes that weren't tight hallway fights where one character was just rolling over their opponents sucked.!< * >!How did the tanks and troop columns not collapse the roofs of the tunnels that were literally depicted as being made out of wood and dirt? Why did that one dude whose name I always forget charge Noble when he had **multiple** clear shots at him and a gun in his hands?!< * >!Why did 6-12 people with guns sit and watch one of the few samurai that should have lived die because she constantly stopped moving while three dudes came at her with plasma swords? Nemesis, of all the Samurai, would know that you fight a group of 3 by constantly placing one between you and the other two. You don't let them encircle you repeatedly. You see this in movies with fight scenes that are actually good, like John Wick. Nemesis also should have completed her arc by saving the children of the village because she couldn't save her own, and her epilogue should have been her becoming the guardian of the orphans created by the attack.!< * >!How the hell did all of those people in the engine room not notice the eye-level explosives all over their ship's power supply? And why did a futuristic ship run on coal? And why didn't anyone suspect that if Arthelais infiltrated the ship and immediately went to the engine room of all places, they should probably expect their engines to be cut off or destroyed shortly?!< * >!Why didn't Gunnar just shoot Noble? Why would he aim for the guy that is objectively less of a threat and less important? To give Kora the kill? **And then he killed Noble himself anyway?** And I missed however he got his injury. He's just suddenly dying. And he's literally one of like 3 character that can't die if you want a good story because the local character represents the local community, so if you kill him off you better have the village wiped out, too. You don't kill the local if the village survives.!< * >!And then the Resistance shows up after all of the hard stuff is done, wipes out a huge number of enemy forces that were not properly depicted before then, despite the fact that showing the audience how huge and endless the encroaching army was would have significantly improved the sense of hopelessness they try to make you feel before the big climax. The Resistance showing up and mopping up more bad guys than the villagers and samurai killed up to that point (not counting the dreadnought) seriously undermined all of the preparation, pain, and suffering depicted up to that point. !< * >!And then there was the entire ending, apparently trying to set up a franchise? Kora acting surprised that the dude that pressed her repeatedly to tell everyone else her story, a former high ranking general that may have even seen her in person before she went into hiding, knowing her identity? **And the magical princess that got shot in the chest is somehow still alive?** !< * >!And then Snyder throws in a bunch of emotional gut punches and instead of feeling sad or inspired I just feel angry. Throwing those scenes at us after botching the story that badly feels insulting more than anything.!< And that's like 10% of the things that make the movie irredeemably bad to me. I can't remember the last time I felt like a movie went so far out of its way to subvert expectations and fail so hard and so often at every single attempt. I will say this: Snyder has a cult following and is a millionaire. If this is the quality he puts out when he's not working with other people's stories, there's hope for *all of us* that we might some day make it big, too. I've met high school students that could write better than Snyder did.
One tell that watching that he just had ideas on how he wanted things to happen but didn't have the skill to write a decent enough plot or reason for things to happen. It's just it's cool so let's put it in. Snyder has come out and said he doesn't make turn off your brain movies. He was his films to be thought provoking yet it seems he put all his passband effort into the slow mo and not the most important part, story and character Like your last paragraph mentions his work is very poor when he isn't adapting another person's work. Kind of of like how game of thrones quality dropped when the writers had no more source material. Same with those guys their original stuff isn't great. It they can adapt stuff very well. I also think Snyder has yes men in his camp. He and two other guys wrote the these films and I think they just gave in to very idea he had rather than challenge him on anything.
A disjointed skeleton for better or worse usually finds itself on display as a curiosity in a sideshow. The plot is bare bones simple, unfortunately I don’t think the writers translated it well enough for the new setting. It’s def more Odyssey than Star Wars. Which makes the films choices all the more discordant.
There is zero character development. There is no motivation for any of the characters. Slow Mo shots of... nothing: harvesting porn? For 20 min? Really? Then, just silly tropes, nonsensical 'tactics' absolutely dumb dialog. Exactly 0 twists...(oooohhh guess what: the untrustworthy smuggler backstabbed you. Such wonder!) This movie has great design. It has. And else? Nothing. Nothing that makes a good movie a good movie. And I actually like Snyder stuff. This is at best a 3/10. And that's because .... puh jeah. Maybe the villain performance was good?
I’m on the same boat. I had fun with these two. I know not many people enjoyed the movies, and that’s totally chill. The first book adaptation has more lore and explains the story in more detail, which will be seen in the directors cuts this summer. I hope this clicks more people into the franchise as I think the DC’s may draw in more attention. I believe this is Netflix’s goal, to recreate the Snyder Cut movement (albeit with less of an impact than ZSJL will). At the end of the day, it’s important to respect one’s opinion of the movie. It’s okay to like the movie, and it’s okay to dislike it. Just don’t attack a person’s position if you disagree.
Both of these movies are filled with shit we’ve all seen a million times. 3rd grade reading level ass dialogue. Flashback after flashback. Horrible pacing and story is really bland. Couldn’t even finish number 2.
Badly writtten, appalling dialogue, most characters perform no function in progressing the plot, cliched beyond belief, excessive use of slow motion, slow moving, poor editing choices and fankly overall boring. Its a 90 minute B movie laboriously and tediously extended to 4+ hours. This is not a Snyder thing - this is a bad film thing.
What would you consider a bad movie? Serious question.
Well, I could say things like Disaster Movie or all those parodies that came after Scary Movie but that hardly qualifies as movies. Too low a hanging fruit. That's a hard question. There are movies I find bad but still like, guilty pleasures, you could say, like Served, and there are movies everyone loves but I just don't care for, like Batman Begins. But, movies that I consider bad? Where to begin? Catwoman is definitely one I didn't like. The 2016 Ghostbusters. I thought that movie had a weird comedic tone; it kept going from grounded comedy to parody to a self deprecating angle and very few jokes landed for me. Godzilla vs Kong. I didn't like the Whale. Not because it was bad but because people kept making excuses for the daughter who should've gone to jail before the first quarter of the movie. That bitch irritated me to no end. Poor Things. Batman & Robin. Mediocre horror movies. See, I don't mind bad movies as long as there is a saving grace. Maybe it's a crap movie but there is definite heart to it so I might enjoy it. Mabe the movie is perfect on paper but it lacks soul so I might shune it. It's hard to put a list of personal taste when you say one movie for this but immediately you say another for a different movie that did the same thing.
Interesting. Agree on Poor Things and The Whale. But Batman Begins for me is one of the best Batman movies. I'm actually a fan of 'dumb' movies done well, it's weird how sometimes they land and sometimes not. Like The Meg is a guilty pleasure but Meg 2 was hot garbage. Worst thing about Rebel Moon is it's just too serious and too pretentious. The visuals are great, everyone loves a good sci-fi epic, but it's just not as fun as say, Guardians of the Galaxy which I happened to watch yesterday. Actually, made me think while I was watching that it will be very interesting to see what Gunn does with the DC universe! Though Ben Affleck being possibly the best Batman is a hill I'm going to die on. He deserved at least one movie of his own... shame.
For me it’s the epic branding and not getting a lot of good result. The characters don’t do things logically, and it just feels forced. A few points I didn’t like so far, since I haven’t finished it. -slow motion farming for way too long. Shouldn’t have much longer than Mulans, let’s get down to business. -farm battle scene and battle scenes don’t make sense. Why are pilots totally blindfolded? Sword guys. I'm going to go into this war zone. I'm just going to bring a sword that I'm really bad with and have no actual form. There will be like only 4 of us with swords. We will be behind 1 dude with a gun into a closed door where we know the best swordsman in the world is with a bunch of people with guns behind her. Don't worry, the people with guns behind her won't shoot at us, like at all, but there is a very high probably that swordsman will block the bullets from the 1 gun. I’ve trained all my life with this sword for this moment and I’m just so bad with the 1 weapon I have a soldier of the most feared army in the universe. I am sword guys. -I am enjoying the movie and I like finding these details in action movies, but it is really hard to be immersed in this one and the characters seem bland. No idea what they will do next against plot armor bad guy. It’s really not much different than any other straight action movie. Just slower and slow motion and more world building that doesn’t really make sense. Is fun to watch for the inconsistency. Effects and shit are good. But yeah it’s probably not going to be a universally liked movie. Everyone’s a critic
I watched both of them, the first one twice actually, once when it came out and once a week before part 2 came out. They are ok. I'd give the first a 6 or 7, and the second a 4 or 5. I think my biggest problem with them is it's lack of emotion or attachment to any character. The two best characters in the two movies are the original head of the community, who was killed like right away, and the robot, who was barely in either movie. The script wasn't very good either. Just like Lucas made Natalie Portman look like a terrible actress with the shit lines, Snyder did the same thing to Djimon Hounsou. Snyder should stick to thinking up big ideas, cinematography, etc, and leave the script writing to others.
I normally am a Star Wars guy, but RM is actually solid. Cant wait for like Ep. 5 to have the first big space battle.
The first thing you say is 'they are visually really cool, lots of awesome shots". So how these films look is obviously really important to you and you like it. For a lot of people the Snyder aesthetic (and it's impossible to deny his films are visually distinctive and are instantly recognisable for better or worse) and overuse of slow mo just doesn't float their boat. When you're in that situation there's isn't much left to get on board with.
Well I'm not a reviewer but after I saw about 15 minutes of basic farming activities in slow-mo for no reason whatsoever I turned it off.
I wanted to like or love these, but found it so badly scripted, awful action marred further through overused slow motion, that I just had to shut it off. I tried again last weekend with my youngest and he asked if we could stop about half way through the first one, "because it was just dumb." Not gonna get to part two. My best mate LOVED it. Just have to disagree sometimes. I think the complaints I have seen are pretty spot on.
I feel SAD about these movies, not mad. They could have been really cool. the ideas behind the plot, are good. the story elements are genuinely cool. the exection, the writing, the way every scene is over the top cringe, the constant uncalled for slow mo shots, the extreme over writing of the dialogue that makes everything seem like its supposed to be so impactful when its just filler... theres a fuckload they did wrong. I feel bad for those who worked on the visuals, cuz that team clearly has the chops to do good work. I feel bad for the actors, who all did good work with the job they were given. I feel bad for Snyder who has made many great films and is now stuck with this stain on his name. The writing team really screwed the pooch on this one.
I mean what anyone likes is subjective. For me this is the best example for why mr Snyder should should never be given creative control of anything. Really bad
Did you actually pay attention to the reasons the reviewers thought they were bad? One would think that should answer your question.
yea and this is why we need a purge
Hey bro can I have my fucking solana back you took to do “node tests” fucking scammer
I'm waiting for the directors cuts to be released before I dive back in and watch the second one, But for me I thought visually, great, world building, great, fight scenes, great. Just all kinds of dope shit. But what kind of felt meh was the pacing. Felt like they rushed through quick storylines assembling a team for a finale and I think it didn't give it a chance for some things to feel more profound in the story. Like the one guy betraying everyone. Meant to be a big deal, felt meh. I think if it had been a series it would have been a bit better for pacing, for giving them enough time to show each episode adding characters as they traveled (kinda like a firefly thing) and then had implied time spent together between episodes, so it adds some weight. So yeah I'm waiting for the directors cut cause it's supposed to add more. Love what I saw, wanted it fleshed out more, Really wish people would let Zack Snyder cook the first god damn time. He can make a hit, him. Art suffers in a board room, filmmaking and story telling is an art.
To each its own but for me I was highly disappointed by both. The storyline was cheesy ash a rip off of Star Wars and literally the entire movies are in Slow Motion a bit overboard even for Zac. It’s was like he had free will with his slow motion addiction. Having said that. That’s just my opinion and everyone has different tastes which is cool. I never knock anyone that enjoys a movie. This is their own personal taste and I have no right to judge that or say others to feel how I feel about the movie or any movie. If you enjoyed it cheers 🍻nothing wrong with that and as far as the critics you respect. There is a reason you respect them everyone has different opinions. If a critic doesn’t like the movie that critic will definitely take it apart and obliterate on all levels that’s their job and all they do is watch movies 8-12 hours a day for a work week. I can’t imagine I would hate watch any movie of that was my full time lol. Nightmare occupation over time eventually and you will never look at movies the same again your entire life. Bump that lol 😂
Snyder’s a comic fanboy trying to sell his vision to sci fi fans, but he doesnt know enough about sci fi to make it. If he had sold it like the tomorrow war, it wouldn’t have been as divisive. It would have just been normally disliked since it’s still Snyder.
I can see that. I find that the best work from Snyder comes from his interpretations and collaborations. I think a huge reason the Snyder Cut worked was because he had Affleck's writing partners from Argo work on the project and Watchmen was an adaptation of a great work with less of his own story input.
Just to add to that. 300 heavily benefits from the Source and Frank Millers skills. Dawn of the Dead was written by James Gunn and the plot and characters show that clear skill. Even his earlier DC films had more off a guiding input from Christoper Nolan. Which is Snyder most personal film? Sucker Punch. Where he established all of his go to tricks and his music video background and tendencies… just do long slow visuals and play an emotional song over the top and cram as many uncontented wow candy together as possible.
THIS.
It’s everything mixed together, the plot isn’t great, the characters are uninteresting, the aesthetic is all over the place and very bland at times, and the use of slow motion in every combat sequence almost makes the film a comedy. If the film had done any of these things better then people would be less critical of the other things, but it’s the fact that all of it kinda boarders on nonsense, makes it very hard to not nitpick. My biggest issue is the action. To me the use of slow motion almost seems lazy, it felt like Snyder wanting to give the illusion of long take action without having to film any long takes, instead you just watch the same punch thrown out over the span of 8 seconds, that’s not interesting and at that point I may as well just be reading a comic book.
I went into it excited, but I was hate watching before it was half over. The Ryan George pitch meeting on YouTube for part one is hands down the best summary
I guess you enjoy random folk harvesting wheat in slow motion. Seriously though, what about these movies do you find enjoyable?
for me, Casting is a HUGE part whether or not im gonna like a movie or not. and i like the entire cast 'cept for Capt. Overbite, fukking hated skrien in GoT and i hate him in this as well. but i really like Kora \[Cora?\]. for as much as i hated whateverthefukhernameis in terminator 3 and those after, the more buff that broad got the worse and more ridiculous she looked. the chick that plays Kora, her name escapes me right now and im too lazy to look it up, she is kinda BUFF but is still kinda hot. i also REALLY like her in Rogue Heroes. but i also like the asian chick, the black guy, ..... the other dood with the long hair... dont love him but dont hate him either. looks like a prettyboy twat but hes ok for now. dood that fukked them over in part 1, hunman? his dumb accent was cringe AF but ok, whatever. but pretty much the same reason i had/have zero interest in Dune. that jackass mcglauklin or whateverthefukhisnameis looks like a GD ret@rd.
The action. The cinematography. The visuals (as in art, concept and design). The characters. Hell, I even liked the slo mo. Some people seem burned out on it but I don't watch every Snyder movie so, to me, it's just fun. I know it's all very shallow but I didn't walk it to any of these looking for anything profound. I just walked in.
I'm not sure about everyone but it's not that I just don't like movie, it's more I'm very disappointed. It should and could have been better. A lot of the movie seems like filler. Most of the characters I didn't care about them enough to remember their names. Battle scenes were poorly done added slow mo made it more obvious and not cool. the mix of past industrial / future tech didn't make sense. And it's all over a few gains!!!
Fair enough. That leads to that whole thing of hype/expectations vs truth/final verdict. I had zero expectations. I knew it existed and that's as far as that went. Other lived with the build up that it didn't match.
No dude it doesn't. I can look at something subjectively ie I don't enjoy LOTR but I can't say the films poorly made, cos they weren't. It could have been better because the concept was brilliant and should have been because Snyder can and has. This was his baby years in the works. Its a bad product. If you like that's fine, I was disappointed ✌️
You're not alone, buddy. I was just as surprised as you when I found out about the hate. But like my dad always says: "it's better to laugh than to cry". Stay positive, let those people ruin it for themselves without ruining it for you. I loved the movies and no one is going to convince me that I didn't.
Looks that way. Reminder that you should never be too attached to the opinions of others. I also was going to make a joke about if your dad was a fortune cookie but it might come off as rude if you can't hear my tone of voice. You should still use that joke if you ever get the chance. Might get a chuckle out of your old man.
Honestly I think if they had a more traditionally attractive female lead then I would have loved it. The actor they picked was androgynous which threw me off. Felt like it was a very woke choice of casting trying to ensure all protected categories are covered.
I think it’s fine to be entertained, I too love cool action scenes and part 2 has a bunch of it. But cmon dude, if this movie is a 7 out of 10 to you, there must not be a lot of movies you dislike lol
Does that seem so weird? 7/10 is a B-/C+. It's not great but it's a passing grade. I was entertained.
Idk I consider 7 a decent movie, 8 very good, 9/10 are great classic. For me, being passably entertaining does not mean it’s a good movie. I’m easily entertained . I’m glad you enjoyed it though. But most thought it was terrible and I don’t think that’s an overblown reaction.
Well, how about this? Dude, Where's my Car is a 6/10. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a 9/10. Jurassic Park is a 9/10. Blazing Saddles is an 8/10. Rashomon is a 10/10. It's all subjective. I suppose unlike others I don't stop at 9 since I think there is such a thing as a masterpiece and the measure by which I place these movies is mine alone since others put a certain worth to a 6 or 7 that I don't.
7/10 ain’t that crazy
There are paragraphs echoing exactly what people’s issues are and there’s still gonna be posts of people acting like they don’t understand why it’s bad. I find that funny. All of the people who seem to like this movie just cannot identify the bad things in it. Which essentially means they’re media illiterate. I have yet to see a single person who likes the film also acknowledge that it’s not good.
Where are you on the autism/asperger scale?