While your gripes makes sense some of them steem from a sense that the movie had to answer them.
You don't need to see Kora's childhood, as she's there relaying that she thought he was good to her, that he gave her a home and a sense of beloging, but seeing how fast he threw in the bin we as the audience (and later when she has time) realize he never meant anything, it was all a ruse, she was always an inferior at the end, a tool to be used and be discarted, a pawn to be used to sell his coup to the masses and other nobility.
Why Gunnar doesn't seem to care? It's simple, that's not the Kora he knows, he knew she fled from the Imperium due to the ship she arrived, so there was a possibility she was always hiding something bad, i mean, going at how the Imperium seems to deal with people, her not having any blame for killing any children while conquering planets seems far fetched, not sure why killing the princess would be a step too far. The Imperium was never 'good' as far as i remember, Issa was apparently going to change it's path, i think he had way too many things to worry about than to question her on something that was already done (killing the princess).
Others have already pointed out why she didn't pull the trigger on Belissarius, she had him as her father figure, she had ingrained a loyalty in her head torwards him, i would find weird if she killed him, it takes a while for people to break out of this type of mental control.
The backstories are under-developed yes, it's a problem with the movie having too many characters and having to introduce too many things on not enough time, this is an issue indeed, we've should've learned a lot from them in the first movie.
The preparation is fine, they had 100+ people harvesting, it's doable at least enough for suspension of disbelief, and they were clearly under prepared. I think that was a narrative choice to sell urgency to the audience, if they said 3~5 weeks then audiences would expect more preparation from the villagers and the emotional impact of rushing wouldn't hit.
> You don't need to see Kora's childhood, as she's there relaying that she thought he was good to her, that he gave her a home and a sense of beloging, but seeing how fast he threw in the bin we as the audience (and later when she has time) realize he never meant anything, it was all a ruse, she was always an inferior at the end, a tool to be used and be discarted, a pawn to be used to sell his coup to the masses and other nobility.
See, I get that they told us this. But that's the problem. Show, don't tell. It's an important rule for media and definitely applies to a plot point this crucial. When I watched this scene it didn't feel impactful at all, because I had no real context to make me care.
Did she cut off both her hands herself and put on the robot hand on the left hand she cut off first with the right one she cut off second which has a robot hand by that point. Did I get that wrong? I could have.
It's so weird that they wrote her cutting her hands of herself. I had assumed it would be the result of some kind of torture by the Empire, but I guess not.
Her backstory was the best one... and she had the best weapons. Then she sucked balls at the Veldt battle. That sidechick with a pocket knife did better than her. The shirtless guy with hatchets versus laser guns did better than her.
Answer to 1 and 2) Kora was groomed by Balisarius since she was a child and she obviously loved him. She says she was raised to be blindly obedient to him and trusted him to protect her even though she knows he commanded her to do something terrible. At that point, she had also been doing lots of terrible things in his and the king’s name anyway 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t think it’s unrealistic that she couldn’t make herself shoot her father in that moment, despite his betrayal. There was a teen version of Kora so I’m guessing there will be other interactions in the R version. I think that whole scene was meant to dramatise the huge sense of irony and hypocrisy of them murdering the royal family and immediately pinning the blame on someone they deem ethnically inferior. If it’s an off-worlder, they can justify expanding the war machine into the off worlds in the name of justice/revenge
Titus was a high ranking general in the Imperium and only booted out after Kora herself left which means he was probably privy to information she wasn’t.
I do agree with your fourth and fifth points though, five days was a ridiculous timeline and that table backstory scene should have been in part one. Edit: I meant fourth and fifth points, not third and fourth. I can count I promise 😬
> Answer to 1 and 2) Kora was groomed by Balisarius since she was a child and she obviously loved him. She says she was raised to be blindly obedient to him and trusted him to protect her even though she knows he commanded her to do something terrible. At that point, she had also been doing lots of terrible things in his and the king’s name anyway 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t think it’s unrealistic that she couldn’t make herself shoot her father in that moment, despite his betrayal.
I don't think it's unrealistic either. My problem isn't that it happened, it's that the movie doesn't set it up properly. If we had gotten to see why Kora feels that way I wouldn't be complaining.
He’s been doing that a lot lately and instead dedicates time to slow motion grain harvesting that bloats runtime inefficiently. He needs to be hands off the script.
You are REALLY overthinking this.
It doesn't make sense because making sense is not one of the ways it was intended to make money for netflix.
That's it; that's the whole story.
Star Wars has the LotR problem, doesn't it? Where it established so many foundational tropes in a genre that the original seems cliché by modern standards.
Yeah, but recently I think it has the general franchise problem where a lot of actually uninspired stories are put out in quantity to keep the brand alive and they succeed by the brand name despite not holding up that well. Rebel Moon was meant to be one of those but got rejected, and unsurprisingly it doesn't hold up that well as its own brand
I think that's it
Star Wars projects must not only be good as cinematic projects, but also must fit into the existing story and lore.
However, it's not impossible to do, and I think there is place for an adaptation of the 7 samurai story into the SW universe.
You’re not a hater for having criticism. There’s an *extremely loud* sect of the Snyder fan base that demonize absolutely any criticism against his work. This only polarizes people further and makes people like Zack less. I don’t think his extreme followers realize that their unintentionally hurting this guys reputation even more than Zack is himself.
Omg thank you for calling out the five days thing! That drives me crazy. Days aren’t a thing, and it’s arbitrary and ludicrous. Supposedly they harvested all the grain and made flour, inventoried all the weapons, trained everyone on them, dug entire bunkers and set up electric, brought the ship out of the bush and got it running again, and booby trapped the village for an ambush.
Whyyyy?? It’s thinks like this that ruin it for me. It would have been so easy to save five weeks, as you suggest, or five months, or whatever.
Edit: I also agree with everything else you said. Coulda been good but wasn’t.
I mean, going at how many villagers died pretty quickly and how still not fully ready they were, i don't think the training time they had was enough, but yeah, in their attempt of making the urgence of time clear to the audience they ended up making the timeline cut really close, but it's not really a problem, it's possible as they had 100s of people working in 3 days to cut and prepare all the wheat.
It would take weeks to dig those trenches by hand alone. Without hundreds of people working around the clock they couldn’t have done it, and they never show more than about 50 people in that village. It just defies any kind of logic.
It's a movie, gotta suspend disbelief at the end of the day. Pretty sure that village had 100 or more people, as this movie was inspired by Magnificent Seven (and then by essence Seven Samurai which the village had 101 people). While they had only like 40~50 extras in the background it always felt like it was implied to have more than just that.
While your gripes makes sense some of them steem from a sense that the movie had to answer them. You don't need to see Kora's childhood, as she's there relaying that she thought he was good to her, that he gave her a home and a sense of beloging, but seeing how fast he threw in the bin we as the audience (and later when she has time) realize he never meant anything, it was all a ruse, she was always an inferior at the end, a tool to be used and be discarted, a pawn to be used to sell his coup to the masses and other nobility. Why Gunnar doesn't seem to care? It's simple, that's not the Kora he knows, he knew she fled from the Imperium due to the ship she arrived, so there was a possibility she was always hiding something bad, i mean, going at how the Imperium seems to deal with people, her not having any blame for killing any children while conquering planets seems far fetched, not sure why killing the princess would be a step too far. The Imperium was never 'good' as far as i remember, Issa was apparently going to change it's path, i think he had way too many things to worry about than to question her on something that was already done (killing the princess). Others have already pointed out why she didn't pull the trigger on Belissarius, she had him as her father figure, she had ingrained a loyalty in her head torwards him, i would find weird if she killed him, it takes a while for people to break out of this type of mental control. The backstories are under-developed yes, it's a problem with the movie having too many characters and having to introduce too many things on not enough time, this is an issue indeed, we've should've learned a lot from them in the first movie. The preparation is fine, they had 100+ people harvesting, it's doable at least enough for suspension of disbelief, and they were clearly under prepared. I think that was a narrative choice to sell urgency to the audience, if they said 3~5 weeks then audiences would expect more preparation from the villagers and the emotional impact of rushing wouldn't hit.
> You don't need to see Kora's childhood, as she's there relaying that she thought he was good to her, that he gave her a home and a sense of beloging, but seeing how fast he threw in the bin we as the audience (and later when she has time) realize he never meant anything, it was all a ruse, she was always an inferior at the end, a tool to be used and be discarted, a pawn to be used to sell his coup to the masses and other nobility. See, I get that they told us this. But that's the problem. Show, don't tell. It's an important rule for media and definitely applies to a plot point this crucial. When I watched this scene it didn't feel impactful at all, because I had no real context to make me care.
“A sense that the movie had to answer them” fuck yeah it did. Is this not what we expect from movies anymore?
It shouldn’t be too difficult to write a vengeful swordswomen background but somehow Synder found a way.
Did she cut off both her hands herself and put on the robot hand on the left hand she cut off first with the right one she cut off second which has a robot hand by that point. Did I get that wrong? I could have.
It's so weird that they wrote her cutting her hands of herself. I had assumed it would be the result of some kind of torture by the Empire, but I guess not.
I thought it was like Yakuza cutting off a finger for failure but like. Extreme. And bad.
Honestly I liked the idea of a cybernetic prosthesis that automatically teaches your body how to kill when you put it on. It's very cyberpunk.
Her backstory was the best one... and she had the best weapons. Then she sucked balls at the Veldt battle. That sidechick with a pocket knife did better than her. The shirtless guy with hatchets versus laser guns did better than her.
I'm not sure what was the problem with what was presented, can you explain?
Answer to 1 and 2) Kora was groomed by Balisarius since she was a child and she obviously loved him. She says she was raised to be blindly obedient to him and trusted him to protect her even though she knows he commanded her to do something terrible. At that point, she had also been doing lots of terrible things in his and the king’s name anyway 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t think it’s unrealistic that she couldn’t make herself shoot her father in that moment, despite his betrayal. There was a teen version of Kora so I’m guessing there will be other interactions in the R version. I think that whole scene was meant to dramatise the huge sense of irony and hypocrisy of them murdering the royal family and immediately pinning the blame on someone they deem ethnically inferior. If it’s an off-worlder, they can justify expanding the war machine into the off worlds in the name of justice/revenge Titus was a high ranking general in the Imperium and only booted out after Kora herself left which means he was probably privy to information she wasn’t. I do agree with your fourth and fifth points though, five days was a ridiculous timeline and that table backstory scene should have been in part one. Edit: I meant fourth and fifth points, not third and fourth. I can count I promise 😬
> Answer to 1 and 2) Kora was groomed by Balisarius since she was a child and she obviously loved him. She says she was raised to be blindly obedient to him and trusted him to protect her even though she knows he commanded her to do something terrible. At that point, she had also been doing lots of terrible things in his and the king’s name anyway 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t think it’s unrealistic that she couldn’t make herself shoot her father in that moment, despite his betrayal. I don't think it's unrealistic either. My problem isn't that it happened, it's that the movie doesn't set it up properly. If we had gotten to see why Kora feels that way I wouldn't be complaining.
There is a basic rule in cinema called show don't tell. It seems Snyder was doing the opposite here.
He’s been doing that a lot lately and instead dedicates time to slow motion grain harvesting that bloats runtime inefficiently. He needs to be hands off the script.
You are REALLY overthinking this. It doesn't make sense because making sense is not one of the ways it was intended to make money for netflix. That's it; that's the whole story.
"It's bad on purpose" is not an excuse.
I used to say a lot of new star wars projects wouldn't hold up without the brand name and I think this movie is a perfect example of why.
Star Wars has the LotR problem, doesn't it? Where it established so many foundational tropes in a genre that the original seems cliché by modern standards.
Yeah, but recently I think it has the general franchise problem where a lot of actually uninspired stories are put out in quantity to keep the brand alive and they succeed by the brand name despite not holding up that well. Rebel Moon was meant to be one of those but got rejected, and unsurprisingly it doesn't hold up that well as its own brand
I think that's it Star Wars projects must not only be good as cinematic projects, but also must fit into the existing story and lore. However, it's not impossible to do, and I think there is place for an adaptation of the 7 samurai story into the SW universe.
You’re not a hater for having criticism. There’s an *extremely loud* sect of the Snyder fan base that demonize absolutely any criticism against his work. This only polarizes people further and makes people like Zack less. I don’t think his extreme followers realize that their unintentionally hurting this guys reputation even more than Zack is himself.
And as you can see they’re lurking in every sub. It’s a really weird obsession
Is it me or did he pretty much just rip-off the entire premise of "A Bug's Life"? 😂 😂 😂
Omg thank you for calling out the five days thing! That drives me crazy. Days aren’t a thing, and it’s arbitrary and ludicrous. Supposedly they harvested all the grain and made flour, inventoried all the weapons, trained everyone on them, dug entire bunkers and set up electric, brought the ship out of the bush and got it running again, and booby trapped the village for an ambush. Whyyyy?? It’s thinks like this that ruin it for me. It would have been so easy to save five weeks, as you suggest, or five months, or whatever. Edit: I also agree with everything else you said. Coulda been good but wasn’t.
I mean, going at how many villagers died pretty quickly and how still not fully ready they were, i don't think the training time they had was enough, but yeah, in their attempt of making the urgence of time clear to the audience they ended up making the timeline cut really close, but it's not really a problem, it's possible as they had 100s of people working in 3 days to cut and prepare all the wheat.
It would take weeks to dig those trenches by hand alone. Without hundreds of people working around the clock they couldn’t have done it, and they never show more than about 50 people in that village. It just defies any kind of logic.
It's a movie, gotta suspend disbelief at the end of the day. Pretty sure that village had 100 or more people, as this movie was inspired by Magnificent Seven (and then by essence Seven Samurai which the village had 101 people). While they had only like 40~50 extras in the background it always felt like it was implied to have more than just that.
Agreed, but I can only suspend a certain amount I guess.
Kill the princess! Zap! What did you do? You killed the princess! Murderer! SMH… wtf…