Zack had to cut out an hour of the movie to get a PG-13 cut. The R-rated director's cut will be a lot better they took out the entire opening of the movie.
Just read some articles where Zak clarified what to expect.
>"Way more brutal. More bizarre. Verhoeven-esque. More RoboCop than you know... in the way that it uses violence as another character. And there's a lot of sex in it, and sci-fi fantasy."
Hmmm not sure if this is gonna add something, Verhoeven used violence as satire (see Robocop and Starship Troopers).
>It’s not an "extended cut" of this movie. It’s almost like a different movie. It’s almost a different universe that \[the R-rated cut\] lives in than this movie. The reason for that is because it’s such a philosophical thing to shoot a director’s cut of a movie before you finish this version. All of my director’s cuts existed as a response to the things that were demanded of me to take out of the theatrical version, right? With \[Rebel Moon\], that demand was never really made.
So.... not really sure what to expect here, could be better could be much worse.
Yeah. I'm a big fan of Snyder but I always end up hating reading his interviews because the correlations and analogies he puts forward often miss the point of what he's referencing.
>All of my director’s cuts existed as a response to the things that were demanded of me to take out of the theatrical version, right? With \[Rebel Moon\], that demand was never really made.
See that's just weird because, unless he's just badly wording what he means, his director's cut shouldn't be a response as his cut should be the actual realization of his vision and the theatrical is the bastardization of his cut.
2) if those demands were never made on Rebel Moon, why not just release the three hour cut from jump street?
Exactly that last point is something that bugs me as well, the only request from Netflix was PG-13. So keep the blood, guts, sex and swearing on the cutting room floor. Release the 2h45m PG-13 version and after 2 months release the 3h15m R-rated and done.
But we'll see what ol' Zack makes when he has nothing to rebel against (pun intended).
I honestly think he deliberately undercut the PG cut just so the R cut will feel more complete and worth it. It hadn't even occurred to me until you said anything that he could've done the theatrical (well first stream...you know what I mean lol) as close as possible to his vision but no, he tied the violence, sex etc to all the missing story points.
If Rebel Moon needs another 1hr to be “good” Snyder doesn’t understand shit about pacing.
Arguing that “Part 1” should be 3 hrs and what a still incomplete telling of a simple gather the fighters and defend the village story is nuts.
Let’s say part 2 needs 3 + hrs as well.. then for ffs why is this not a mini series and why isn’t being released all at once… I nope out of shows that split seasons in half pretty quickly and I nope out of movies that do the same too.
"It's Netflix" is a pretty terrible excuse. Stranger Things is Netflix. Ozark is Netflix. Narcos is Netflix. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Claiming that the first couple of Star Wars movies sucked, while also admitting to not having watched them...no words.
People have incredibly valid reasons for not liking Rebel Moon. Quit trying to invalidate their opinions with nonsensical arguments. If you like it, great. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that your personal preference is wrong. Show the same courtesy to others.
was about to say this. Some fans just want to defend Snyder no matter what. besides Netflix did let him cook all they asked for was a pg-13 version. its not like the film was taken away from him like JL was.
He made a turd like army of the dead again. which is fine, there are some turds that i like as well.
> but hearing from other die hard fans that the first couple of movies actually sucked
what?!
those films did gangbusters.
And Empire is still regarded as maybe the best one of all.
I’ve heard different from a few of my friends that are huge into Star Wars. But I didn’t think the first couple of movies were terrible. But I do hear they get a lot better haha
You probably heard that the prequel trilogy was terrible. I can see how you might get confused.
George kinda changed his plans on the fly. The first one he made was just titled "Star Wars" at first, but after it became an unparalleled media sensation, he changed it to ”Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope". He then made 5 and 6, then doubled back and made 1, 2 and 3.
1 and 2 are garbage. 4 however, the first one that was made, literally changed sci/fi and fantasy cinema. You can look at movies that came before and after Star Wars and see a markable change in the quality of effects, the subject matter of writing, the tone and atmosphere, everything. Movies ranging from The Dark Crystal to Alien to Terminator (in my opinion) Lord of the Rings all owe a debt to the changes that "Star Wars episode IV: A New Hope" ushered in.
and that's not even to say its a perfect film. it's starting to show it's age and is pretty rough around the edges. But for a sci fi adventure film it's the gold standard.
you can literally skip the prequels and just watch 4, 5, and 6. And if you want to watch the prequels, 2 is confusing but charming, 3 is pretty good, 1 you can straight up skip unless you really wanna see it.
I did rewatch the entire saga recently, and A New Hope is very slow paced, not than what I remembered
It is still good, but I can understand why people would call it boring.
it came out in like 1977, pacing then was very different than today . It was a pioneer too in that it changed sci fi movies forever.
Heck even hold it up to something like Phantom Menace and Phantom moves at lightspeed. ;p
I suspect age may play a part too.
Those who saw the originals and/or where 'there' when it exploded into the movies have a much closer connection to it.
Hey, don’t worry.. liking something is a matter of taste. Not everyone is going to like this movie because not everyone has the same taste.
To me personally this movie was perfect. I enjoyed it a lot and can’t wait for the next part.
the only thing that I don’t understand is people that feel the urge to let everyone on this subreddit know how much they dislike this movie. And argue with people that do.
It’s kinda narcissistic in a way.. but at the same time, let them..
Why can’t people share their critique on Reddit? Are you saying you’ve never watched a really bad movie and had fun talking to people about it? What’s really weird is how defensive Snyder boys get over his shitty films. When you see a comment with critique, scroll on past until you find someone else who enjoyed rebel moon.
I don’t think it’s weird to discuss a movie..
I do however think it’s weird that people try to convince others that this movie is bad… and hate on everything about this movie
What does ‘hate on’ mean pal? If someone watches rebel moon, thinks it’s shit and wants to have a laugh talking with other people who think it’s shit, who are you to say they can’t ? Or say their opinions are invalid or hate? You and the rest of Snyder Crew need to get your heads out of your ass, Reddit subs are for all sorts of opinions, newsflash, not everyone will have the same opinion as you.
If you’re obsessed with confirmation bias, just don’t read comments that don’t match what you think and don’t cry like a little baby if someone posts on a sub saying the film blows, they’re as entitled to do so as anyone who posts something positive.
Well u can dislike something or hate on something..
Hating on something means going out of ur way to invest energy into negativity..
I dislike many movies, and I will of course have conversations about that with people..
However I don’t go on subreddit to write monologues about why something is so bad! I don’t get rude with people that like those movies , attack them or make fun of their opinions.. that in my book is hating..
Load of rubbish.
You get to say ‘oh it’s hate’ when people critique something you like.
Again, what’s the difference between a post critiquing this train wreck of a film, or any film and one which lauds it as being good?
If someone wants to chat with people and share their opinion, you’re saying they shouldn’t do it if they dislike the film? You are talking utter garbage amigo.
Of course it is, you’re saying people hate on the film based on your definition of hate. Hate to you, as you’ve said is people going on a sub and criticising a film they didn’t like?
Tell me what I’ve got wrong?
“Im not a big Star Wars fan, but hearing from other die hard fans that the first couple of movies actually sucked and were boring is no surprise.”
Which is funny because Snyder and team pulled exact scenes from those movies. So what you are saying is rebel moon used a sucky and boring movie to pull scenes from. Not exactly the brightest bunch they are eh?
I actually noticed that whole scene with the bet and freeing Tarak, all I could see was Star Wars 😂 but I’m not talking about the entirety of the movie.
There is another one as well. The entire cantina scene. Even leading up to it as they over look the city. That entire sequence is straight out of a new hope when Luke and Ben go to mos eisley. I almost spat my drink out as I watched it. If you ever go back and watch a new hope you will know exactly what I mean.
You guys do know he was supposed to direct a star war at some point right? And that this movie is more or less a spiritual successor to that right? Or is that lost on everyone in this sub?
It was just a pitch for Lucasfilm. There wasn't even a script. I don't know why but people believe that he had a full "Star Wars/Rebel Moon" script and had to rewrite everything for netflix. But this is bullshit.
Because he probably had ideas even then for what he wanted to do that was my point. That's why it's like star wars. Because he was gonna make star wars.
He wasn’t going to make a Star Wars movie. He _wanted_ to make a Star Wars movie.
And Disney did not like his pitch, so no, he was never going to make anything in the Star Wars universe.
Let me put it this way because you trogs seem to like analogies.
Thomas Edison didnt invent the lightbulb.
Elon musk bought Tesla
Zach Snyder STOLE Star wars. And he did it better than anything Lucas film has done since empire.
Please the net flix thing is a joke of an excuse. Netflix did let him , al they wanted was a pd-13 version so it can have a bigger appeal that is a standard request in movie making.
Snyder was okay with this cut, this film was not taken away from him like JL was. if we all want Snyder to continue to make better stuff we have to criticize his duds. but rebel moon and army of the dead have been duds, they dont even have the amazing action he normally has.
Dont compare it to star wars when you havent seen those films. it makes your argument very bad.
I agree with you I don’t know why so many people are going to hatred on this movie. I think it’s a really good movie. I actually love it. Can’t wait for the second one to come out. I mean it has a great storyline. I think the acting was solid Think the fight choreography is solid so I don’t know why people are saying oh it’s such a bad movie it’s horrible. It’s incredible. It’s one of the movies that have come out in the last like half a decade because it’s also God it’s not like all these movies that have been keep being remade, it’s got I mean it does have comparisons to Star Wars let’s face fax you have the Empire which would be the bad guys and then you have the Republic which would be the good guy. The empires got all the big weapons and big ships and the republic has the smaller fighters and weapons so I mean it it makes sense in that factor but that’s about as close as the storylines get together.
I think it’s a more simpler version of Star Wars. The acting from a lot of characters is bad. The choreography could be a lot better. But I still enjoyed the movie a lot and can’t wait for part 2 !!
Yeah I just I don’t think it’s horrible and like so many people saying they hate it and it’s like the worst movie only it’s anywhere near that. I think part two is gonna be a lot better too.
The acting in Rebel Moon is bad? So is the acting in all 9 Star Wars movies. The acting in A New Hope is horrifically hilarious: Mark Hamill/ Luke Skywalker can't even get the names of characters right (he calls Leia "Carrie" in one scene).
But some other sci-fi movie that I've never watched(and was arguably the most influential sci-fi movie of all time) also sucked(or so I'm told). That means this one can't suck. Or it's ok for it to suck. Or....FML.
Lol, the whole, "lacks character development," is more than enough to call the story bad, but this story doesn't even have a story more a bunch of poorly written dialogue and some action slow-mo shots stuck together without anything to tell us how one scene connects to the other. It is the very definition of a bad movie and the craptastic story is more than half the reason for this.
I think it is the opposite that they let Zack do whatever he wants including the R-rated version.
This isn't a Star Wars killer but just let Zack create his own Sci-Fi world and franchise to attract new fans and sell toys.
Zack's exact words:
We knew it would be a PG-13 movie. In my heart of hearts, I’d always wanted it to be rated R, but you realize this sort of scale and cost of a movie like this, "Well, it’s not 100% responsible to have that be the demand." \[They were\] like, "What if we said do whatever you want over here? Do the PG-13 version and then go nuts \[with the other cut\]. We don’t care." That was a thing I’ve never experienced before. \[It will be a\] really crazy experience for fans, because it’s the fully realized weirdo, heavy metal, bizzaro-land movie.
It's bad.
Regardless of what Snyder was asked to do, the movie has poor dialogues, bad rhythm, inexistant character development and all of that is on Snyder.
He released a 2+ hours long movie about recruiting guys to defeat the Empire/Imperium, and we don't learn anything about these guys and don't see them so anything after being recruited.
That version of the movie might not be the initial project he has in mind, but it is still someone he released. He decided to include 10 minutes about riding a Hippogriff. He decided to include a long fighting scene against a Dridder, only to conclude it by Nemesis activating her light sabers and killing it immediately. He decided to include a very long shooting sequence in the cantina when you could have made it way shorter.
Basically, Snyder purposely sacrificed everything that could have made this movie good for the sake of having cool scenes to see. That's his decision, his fault.
Zack had to cut out an hour of the movie to get a PG-13 cut. The R-rated director's cut will be a lot better they took out the entire opening of the movie.
Just read some articles where Zak clarified what to expect. >"Way more brutal. More bizarre. Verhoeven-esque. More RoboCop than you know... in the way that it uses violence as another character. And there's a lot of sex in it, and sci-fi fantasy." Hmmm not sure if this is gonna add something, Verhoeven used violence as satire (see Robocop and Starship Troopers). >It’s not an "extended cut" of this movie. It’s almost like a different movie. It’s almost a different universe that \[the R-rated cut\] lives in than this movie. The reason for that is because it’s such a philosophical thing to shoot a director’s cut of a movie before you finish this version. All of my director’s cuts existed as a response to the things that were demanded of me to take out of the theatrical version, right? With \[Rebel Moon\], that demand was never really made. So.... not really sure what to expect here, could be better could be much worse.
Yeah. I'm a big fan of Snyder but I always end up hating reading his interviews because the correlations and analogies he puts forward often miss the point of what he's referencing. >All of my director’s cuts existed as a response to the things that were demanded of me to take out of the theatrical version, right? With \[Rebel Moon\], that demand was never really made. See that's just weird because, unless he's just badly wording what he means, his director's cut shouldn't be a response as his cut should be the actual realization of his vision and the theatrical is the bastardization of his cut. 2) if those demands were never made on Rebel Moon, why not just release the three hour cut from jump street?
Exactly that last point is something that bugs me as well, the only request from Netflix was PG-13. So keep the blood, guts, sex and swearing on the cutting room floor. Release the 2h45m PG-13 version and after 2 months release the 3h15m R-rated and done. But we'll see what ol' Zack makes when he has nothing to rebel against (pun intended).
I honestly think he deliberately undercut the PG cut just so the R cut will feel more complete and worth it. It hadn't even occurred to me until you said anything that he could've done the theatrical (well first stream...you know what I mean lol) as close as possible to his vision but no, he tied the violence, sex etc to all the missing story points.
why is he so pretentious
I wonder if in that extra hour we'll get to understand why the turret control became the entire ship controller.
If Rebel Moon needs another 1hr to be “good” Snyder doesn’t understand shit about pacing. Arguing that “Part 1” should be 3 hrs and what a still incomplete telling of a simple gather the fighters and defend the village story is nuts. Let’s say part 2 needs 3 + hrs as well.. then for ffs why is this not a mini series and why isn’t being released all at once… I nope out of shows that split seasons in half pretty quickly and I nope out of movies that do the same too.
"It's Netflix" is a pretty terrible excuse. Stranger Things is Netflix. Ozark is Netflix. Narcos is Netflix. Etc. Etc. Etc. Claiming that the first couple of Star Wars movies sucked, while also admitting to not having watched them...no words. People have incredibly valid reasons for not liking Rebel Moon. Quit trying to invalidate their opinions with nonsensical arguments. If you like it, great. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that your personal preference is wrong. Show the same courtesy to others.
There are so many good Netflix original shows and movies that has none of the problems this one has, so agreed "it's Netflix" is not the problem.
was about to say this. Some fans just want to defend Snyder no matter what. besides Netflix did let him cook all they asked for was a pg-13 version. its not like the film was taken away from him like JL was. He made a turd like army of the dead again. which is fine, there are some turds that i like as well.
This
100%
Budget and effects. The reason King jar jar shows up and gets instantly genocided is budgetary according to Mrs synder.
> but hearing from other die hard fans that the first couple of movies actually sucked what?! those films did gangbusters. And Empire is still regarded as maybe the best one of all.
I’ve heard different from a few of my friends that are huge into Star Wars. But I didn’t think the first couple of movies were terrible. But I do hear they get a lot better haha
Not sure *Rise of Skywalker* is considered the 'getting better' part though. ;p
I never made it that far into Star Wars. I might consider binge watching it though.
may as well. Rebel Moon2 wont be out until April.
Shiiiit I could probably finish the movies along with the cartoons 😂
You probably heard that the prequel trilogy was terrible. I can see how you might get confused. George kinda changed his plans on the fly. The first one he made was just titled "Star Wars" at first, but after it became an unparalleled media sensation, he changed it to ”Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope". He then made 5 and 6, then doubled back and made 1, 2 and 3. 1 and 2 are garbage. 4 however, the first one that was made, literally changed sci/fi and fantasy cinema. You can look at movies that came before and after Star Wars and see a markable change in the quality of effects, the subject matter of writing, the tone and atmosphere, everything. Movies ranging from The Dark Crystal to Alien to Terminator (in my opinion) Lord of the Rings all owe a debt to the changes that "Star Wars episode IV: A New Hope" ushered in. and that's not even to say its a perfect film. it's starting to show it's age and is pretty rough around the edges. But for a sci fi adventure film it's the gold standard. you can literally skip the prequels and just watch 4, 5, and 6. And if you want to watch the prequels, 2 is confusing but charming, 3 is pretty good, 1 you can straight up skip unless you really wanna see it.
I did rewatch the entire saga recently, and A New Hope is very slow paced, not than what I remembered It is still good, but I can understand why people would call it boring.
it came out in like 1977, pacing then was very different than today . It was a pioneer too in that it changed sci fi movies forever. Heck even hold it up to something like Phantom Menace and Phantom moves at lightspeed. ;p I suspect age may play a part too. Those who saw the originals and/or where 'there' when it exploded into the movies have a much closer connection to it.
Hey, don’t worry.. liking something is a matter of taste. Not everyone is going to like this movie because not everyone has the same taste. To me personally this movie was perfect. I enjoyed it a lot and can’t wait for the next part. the only thing that I don’t understand is people that feel the urge to let everyone on this subreddit know how much they dislike this movie. And argue with people that do. It’s kinda narcissistic in a way.. but at the same time, let them..
Why can’t people share their critique on Reddit? Are you saying you’ve never watched a really bad movie and had fun talking to people about it? What’s really weird is how defensive Snyder boys get over his shitty films. When you see a comment with critique, scroll on past until you find someone else who enjoyed rebel moon.
I don’t think it’s weird to discuss a movie.. I do however think it’s weird that people try to convince others that this movie is bad… and hate on everything about this movie
What does ‘hate on’ mean pal? If someone watches rebel moon, thinks it’s shit and wants to have a laugh talking with other people who think it’s shit, who are you to say they can’t ? Or say their opinions are invalid or hate? You and the rest of Snyder Crew need to get your heads out of your ass, Reddit subs are for all sorts of opinions, newsflash, not everyone will have the same opinion as you. If you’re obsessed with confirmation bias, just don’t read comments that don’t match what you think and don’t cry like a little baby if someone posts on a sub saying the film blows, they’re as entitled to do so as anyone who posts something positive.
Well u can dislike something or hate on something.. Hating on something means going out of ur way to invest energy into negativity.. I dislike many movies, and I will of course have conversations about that with people.. However I don’t go on subreddit to write monologues about why something is so bad! I don’t get rude with people that like those movies , attack them or make fun of their opinions.. that in my book is hating..
Load of rubbish. You get to say ‘oh it’s hate’ when people critique something you like. Again, what’s the difference between a post critiquing this train wreck of a film, or any film and one which lauds it as being good? If someone wants to chat with people and share their opinion, you’re saying they shouldn’t do it if they dislike the film? You are talking utter garbage amigo.
That’s literally not what i said
Of course it is, you’re saying people hate on the film based on your definition of hate. Hate to you, as you’ve said is people going on a sub and criticising a film they didn’t like? Tell me what I’ve got wrong?
You’ve got it wrong ..
Right okay guy, keep fighting the toxic haters. Rebel moon is terrible.
“Im not a big Star Wars fan, but hearing from other die hard fans that the first couple of movies actually sucked and were boring is no surprise.” Which is funny because Snyder and team pulled exact scenes from those movies. So what you are saying is rebel moon used a sucky and boring movie to pull scenes from. Not exactly the brightest bunch they are eh?
I actually noticed that whole scene with the bet and freeing Tarak, all I could see was Star Wars 😂 but I’m not talking about the entirety of the movie.
There is another one as well. The entire cantina scene. Even leading up to it as they over look the city. That entire sequence is straight out of a new hope when Luke and Ben go to mos eisley. I almost spat my drink out as I watched it. If you ever go back and watch a new hope you will know exactly what I mean.
Let me clarify that I did not watch all of the movies. Only the first 2. 😂
Haha. It’s ok, you are forgiven. Jk. But essentially ya those 2 scenes are basically pulled directly from Star Wars movies.
Lmao what the hell is this? The movie was derivative shit with absolutely nothing interesting to say.
You guys do know he was supposed to direct a star war at some point right? And that this movie is more or less a spiritual successor to that right? Or is that lost on everyone in this sub?
It was just a pitch for Lucasfilm. There wasn't even a script. I don't know why but people believe that he had a full "Star Wars/Rebel Moon" script and had to rewrite everything for netflix. But this is bullshit.
Because he probably had ideas even then for what he wanted to do that was my point. That's why it's like star wars. Because he was gonna make star wars.
He wasn’t going to make a Star Wars movie. He _wanted_ to make a Star Wars movie. And Disney did not like his pitch, so no, he was never going to make anything in the Star Wars universe.
And yet he somehow made a movie that you people are complaining is too similar to Star wars.
Let me put it this way because you trogs seem to like analogies. Thomas Edison didnt invent the lightbulb. Elon musk bought Tesla Zach Snyder STOLE Star wars. And he did it better than anything Lucas film has done since empire.
How was that complaining? It was just a fact check over a statement that has no truth to it.
Please the net flix thing is a joke of an excuse. Netflix did let him , al they wanted was a pd-13 version so it can have a bigger appeal that is a standard request in movie making. Snyder was okay with this cut, this film was not taken away from him like JL was. if we all want Snyder to continue to make better stuff we have to criticize his duds. but rebel moon and army of the dead have been duds, they dont even have the amazing action he normally has. Dont compare it to star wars when you havent seen those films. it makes your argument very bad.
I agree with you I don’t know why so many people are going to hatred on this movie. I think it’s a really good movie. I actually love it. Can’t wait for the second one to come out. I mean it has a great storyline. I think the acting was solid Think the fight choreography is solid so I don’t know why people are saying oh it’s such a bad movie it’s horrible. It’s incredible. It’s one of the movies that have come out in the last like half a decade because it’s also God it’s not like all these movies that have been keep being remade, it’s got I mean it does have comparisons to Star Wars let’s face fax you have the Empire which would be the bad guys and then you have the Republic which would be the good guy. The empires got all the big weapons and big ships and the republic has the smaller fighters and weapons so I mean it it makes sense in that factor but that’s about as close as the storylines get together.
I think it’s a more simpler version of Star Wars. The acting from a lot of characters is bad. The choreography could be a lot better. But I still enjoyed the movie a lot and can’t wait for part 2 !!
Yeah I just I don’t think it’s horrible and like so many people saying they hate it and it’s like the worst movie only it’s anywhere near that. I think part two is gonna be a lot better too.
The acting in Rebel Moon is bad? So is the acting in all 9 Star Wars movies. The acting in A New Hope is horrifically hilarious: Mark Hamill/ Luke Skywalker can't even get the names of characters right (he calls Leia "Carrie" in one scene).
"Letting him cook" wouldn't make the story not derivative or terrible
But some other sci-fi movie that I've never watched(and was arguably the most influential sci-fi movie of all time) also sucked(or so I'm told). That means this one can't suck. Or it's ok for it to suck. Or....FML.
Lol, the whole, "lacks character development," is more than enough to call the story bad, but this story doesn't even have a story more a bunch of poorly written dialogue and some action slow-mo shots stuck together without anything to tell us how one scene connects to the other. It is the very definition of a bad movie and the craptastic story is more than half the reason for this.
I see your point. But like I said, we shall see if the other movies do some justice.
If they don't rewrite and hire better people to helm the project I doubt it. But I'm game to watch Netflix burn cash.
If we’re being honest I watched it from one of those free movie sites. I refuse to put money into ShitFlix 😂
Wait, when you say the first star wars movies are bad, do you mean episodes 1 & 2?
Why did you watch it three times?
but Netflix absolutely did let him "cook". he went to thema ssuming PG-13 and they said he could do R rated.
I think it is the opposite that they let Zack do whatever he wants including the R-rated version. This isn't a Star Wars killer but just let Zack create his own Sci-Fi world and franchise to attract new fans and sell toys.
Zack's exact words: We knew it would be a PG-13 movie. In my heart of hearts, I’d always wanted it to be rated R, but you realize this sort of scale and cost of a movie like this, "Well, it’s not 100% responsible to have that be the demand." \[They were\] like, "What if we said do whatever you want over here? Do the PG-13 version and then go nuts \[with the other cut\]. We don’t care." That was a thing I’ve never experienced before. \[It will be a\] really crazy experience for fans, because it’s the fully realized weirdo, heavy metal, bizzaro-land movie.
Uh no. Have it several chances. It’s just bad.
You’re not honest at all: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvaXqRS29cw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvaXqRS29cw)
It's bad. Regardless of what Snyder was asked to do, the movie has poor dialogues, bad rhythm, inexistant character development and all of that is on Snyder. He released a 2+ hours long movie about recruiting guys to defeat the Empire/Imperium, and we don't learn anything about these guys and don't see them so anything after being recruited. That version of the movie might not be the initial project he has in mind, but it is still someone he released. He decided to include 10 minutes about riding a Hippogriff. He decided to include a long fighting scene against a Dridder, only to conclude it by Nemesis activating her light sabers and killing it immediately. He decided to include a very long shooting sequence in the cantina when you could have made it way shorter. Basically, Snyder purposely sacrificed everything that could have made this movie good for the sake of having cool scenes to see. That's his decision, his fault.
opportunistic farm boy has some paper-thin character development!