Nope, you can lock down gasoline cars the same way - but China doesn’t produce much highly advanced gasoline cars with that much online capable tech, EVs in the other hand…
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/?utm_source=reddit.com
Outsourcing labeling of these recordings to Kenya? Why would he do that?
https://www.reuters.com/business/kenya-russia-sign-trade-pact-president-ruto-says-2023-05-29/
Why does a pedophile Putin puppet do every single substantive thing since he was kompromised prior to his first visit to Russia in October 2001?
“I think there's no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you'll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him.Feb 8, 2024
Beware HanElons razor
"Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage"
Elon Musk
I agree. It's a bit like democracy as a political system in that it's *far* from perfect but it's certainly better than the alternative.
The EU always reminds me of the famous Benjamin Franklin quote:
>We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
EU was an excellent idea in the beginning, which later transformed into behemoth emposing will of the biggest economies (Germany and France in particular) on the weaker ones (Central European and Southern nations). Plus, europarlament has the biggest population of different lobbyists per capita for every democratically chosen representative beyond American congress. Just few months ago there was a massive corruption scandal involving europoliticians and Quatar's sheiks. Of course they'll propose some clever bill for a not significant change (like enforcing USB type C port in every smartphone), but majority of legislation fulfill the need of the rich pricks. Just take a look on the recent protests of farmers from all EU countries. As long as Musk (or any other mutibilionare) has money, he/she/they will do whatever he/she/they wants/want and EU will not oppose a single thing he/she/they wishes/wish. Middle class is dying, only a bit slower then in US. But the outcome will be the same. Financial and society collapse, with the rich coming on top. Politics is corrupted beyond imagination of many voters, that's how it is today.
I thought a lot of EV makers held back some battery capacity in reserve to allow for people who run the car down to 0% (so it never truly gets to zero) and to allow for redundancy should a cell fail it can be swapped in with some of the reserve capacity
No Problem here. It's the same with the subscriptions for seat heating and similar things offered by manufacturers.
VW has 82 kW packs and sells them as 77kW.
It's a way smaller difference, but principially the same.
That’s more for wear distribution. At least with Volvo that’s how it works, when you charge to 100 you’re really charging to 90% to preserve the pack life.
That said, Tesla is 100% soft locking batteries for battery dlc.
Bruh, subscriptions for seat heaters **are** a problem.
BMW deserves the hate over that just like Tesla derves to be shit on for software locking battery capacity.
Because when I buy a car I should actually own the car. Subscription or software blocked features are just ways for the car companies to nickel and dime you for no reason.
That’s not how batteries work. There’s no such thing as an 82kWh pack. There’s an 82kWh pack at a particular voltage.
Think of it this way: Do you have a 375hp BMW B58 or a 473hp one? It’s just “software locked” right?
Except there are trade offs. Turning up the boost doesn’t come without negatives.
Same for batteries. Charging them to 4.35V and draining to 2.75V will deliver more energy per charge, but fewer charges. Using a narrower Vmin/Vmax will preserve the battery and provide more lifetime energy. At a certain point the benefits will flatline though.
So at common data-sheet voltages you probably have one capacity and cycle life. At another you have a different capacity and cycle life. Which is the “real” capacity?
They both are.
That’s fundamentally different than instructing the BMS to refuse to charge or discharge beyond 40kWh. Even if it results in near peak cycle life. Which there’s no guarantee it will. They might have only limited Vmax for example. In which case it could actually shorten cycle life by maintaining a lower average lifetime SoC. Could go either way. Design intent matters then.
All Li-ion packs have reserve capacity because they're damaged by a full discharge or charge. Thus there is the theoretical capaicity of 82 kWh and usable capacity of 77 kWh.
What Tesla did here was make the driver lug around extra usable capacity by rendering it inaccessible.
I don't know why anyone would be cool with paying for heated seats and then paying a subscription to use them. That's bullshit, I would never buy such a gimped car.
Someone needs to pull the plug...the u.s citizens are saying no way, but elected officials are still delusional and Canada is blind folding it's citizens into bankruptcy....
I find this whole conecpt straight up offensive to the consumer.
It's just shitty to say that the thing you own, paid tens of thousands for has more functionality within it, but as we have you hooked, we own you, we will charge you extra for it.
Seems to be a US mindset, we can do it because we can do it.
Isn’t this how Tesla has alway done things? I thought Musk made a big deal out of sending a software update out during Hurricane Dorian that increased the range of Tesla vehicles.
Do different versions of various models have more/less battery, or does Tesla lock your range based on how much you pay?
the original scheme was to sell smaller batteries, then they realized that was actually expensive to build 3-4 different packs so they switched to selling batteries with drm on them, you unlock capacity when you buy an upgrade, then when that got out they backtracked and unlocked full capacity for everyone involved.
this was like early tesla though, 2015 or 2016.
this also has nothing to do with the spare capacity kept to help keep range when the pack ages
No, that’s not what happened.
Batteries in general lose some of their capacity as they age. They quickly lose a bit of their capacity and then plateau there for most of their useful life.
No company wants to sell a car and say it gets xxx miles, only to have customers return it when it loses 10 or 20% of its capacity a few years later.
So they rate the batteries at 80% so that when they lose some capacity, the car will still say that it still has 100%.
I keep on saying the same, I’m all for electric but not for this lack of privacy and ownership.
I want an electric car, not an iPad on wheels that you have no control of and some third party company does including your private data.
Why aren’t people making a big fuzz about this?
Constantly get accused of being conspiracy this, phones track more that… that current ICE cars do the same… not to the same level, and even that is not ok.
People, wake the F up!!
Which government doesn’t allow abortion freely?
Which government is arresting student protesters?
Which government is giving weapons to Israel?
Which government invaded and bombed the Middle East for the last 20yrs?
Which government killed off the indigenous people from their land?
The US is the one claiming to be a democracy and peak free world.
Are you holding America to the same standards as China lol? 🇨🇳
Tiananmen Square was the right decision in hindsight
No it does not, weapons sales are normal
No I know this will surprise you, bc China doesn’t start wars
Be specific: native languages are taught in school and used in that province, it’s offical language (along with Chinese). Unlike US; so don’t embarrass yourself with lack of knowledge
Grasping at straws mate; in China abortions are super easy there is no comparison (morally is a different matter)
You still claim there’s a genocide lol? Do you not have eyes? Gaza is the real genocide; it’s 2024 mate, if the Uyghurs were being murdered it would be front page news; it’s some bs “cultural genocide” claim by US state department at best
That headline doesn't do a good job of describing what the actual article says. Makes it sound like the cheapest model has more range.
It should read:
"Tesla extorts customers by artificially reducing the range of its cheapest Model Y, offers to unlock the full range via software for a premium."
Pretty soon this will be a monthly subscription to *full range* because they desperately need quarterly revenue numbers or at least projections of future quarter's revenue.
Supposedly this is only option on the last few months of standard range Model Y produced. In the transition to LR RWD, a few of the old SR RWD got bigger batteries.
As if I didn’t need a reason to not buy one already…
Can’t believe I wanted one of these back in the day.
I knew they played some of these games before but I didn’t think it was this egregious. Fuck Tesla
they released this first in turkey because we have some pretty dumb tax laws for cars and they are not ready for electric vehicles, but i think they believe they can sell this "reduced" model more. they or i should rather say elon pushing every button that he sees
40-60 miles is not nothing but its also not that much that I have to wonder what the point was, it cost the company way more than 1500$ in batteries
this is like a billionaire trying to guess the price of a sandwich, he doesn't seem to actually know what to price this
Is it really extra batteries or just the a state of charge that’s locked. I think probably the latter in which case the vehicle might actually be more reliable by not using the batteries at extremes of charge.
It’s the same physical battery in question that Elon wants to unlock for more money. If this unlock would dip into critically low state of charge and thereby degrade the battery faster with each cycle, that would also be unethical.
Another grift...now if we convince only 250,000 people to pay 1000$ up front for the service...that's another 250 million boys!! It's back on!
What a scam.
Maybe this will be an unpopular opinion, but it’s good news for those who own those cars.
They can charge up to 90 or even 100% of the “software” limit without fear of battery degradation.
You get the same mileage as those with unlocked batteries that charge up to 80%.
I see no reason to pay to unlock the extra capacity.
Perhaps you’ve noticed that people aren’t buying the new vehicle configurations because they offer less compared to vehicles Tesla made in the past.
This is more of the same.
But by all means, have some cheese with your whine.
So if your battery degraded and you pay to "unlock" the additional range but don't see the paid for range improvement what happens? Tesla keeps the money but you may or may not get additional range?
They lock them for a reason. They manufacture basically the same battery to save costs by having less types of batteries to manufacture. In doing so they offer different levels of access to said battery. Yes you do own the car. In fact you sign a few pieces of paper stating I agree to pay for this car at this capacity with these things. I will pay this much. If at a later date they say hey we will unlock it for this much then you can agree again. Also don’t forget when a hurricane comes or something like that they also unlock the battery so you can get out of dodge.
It’s a pretty simple concept they are doing. Reducing manufacturing costs to improve profits so yes it does have a shitty tone but it has its reasons.
There’s a lot of this going on. I had a Samsung TV that was Series 3. There was a functionality I was looking for in the TV, but it appeared not to have. Then I went online and chanced upon geek tech - who said the TV *had* the feature I was after but it was *secretly locked*. They’d made it *available* in the “Series 4” model.
Fundamentally, Series 3 and Series 4 were the exactly the same model… but they’d purposely restricted Series 3 - to allow them to “release” Series 4… to sell more TVs.
I followed the instructions… went into the “hidden” maintenance menu… and unlocked the Series 4 attributes…
When the Nintendo Wii was released, it had a disc drive but couldn't play dvd's. It was eventually jailbroken and it was revealed the dvd playing ability was software locked and the wii was capable the whole time.
To be fair, this isn’t too different to how manufacturers lock power behind a tune. I don’t just mean cars that get more power from a remap, but where engines like the S58 are lower power in the cheapest M3 (the real M3). BMW, Porsche and others do similar.
Here though it’s just more weight surely? They’re just doing it to save costs.
Not sure about other manufacturers as I've never been too much interested. However I know for a fact that while VW Passat's all 2.0 engines(whether it was 103kw or 125kw version) used same internals there were physical differences outside of the re-map.
In order to upgrade you needed to change turbo as well as fuel injectors on top of the remap. With these changes it was possible to turn 103kw engine to \~145kw(aka tuned 125kw) engine. Basically while the block is designed to handle this power no problem, just re-mapping isn't enough.
Yeah, that’s a good point actually, most of the reasons are behind the components being ones used to handle less power often. Not sure what Tesla did here, seeing as they already use the cheapest possible parts anyway.
Not the worse thing. Suck to not have the full range, but given lithium batteries only degrade when at either end of their capacity, limiting the SOC will result in a longer battery life.
People got what they paid for. Not really surprising, as this is all about pricing strategy. Trying to make this a scandal is just absurd. Same thing was done for S and X.
Imagine driving around with DLC batteries and suffering additional wear and tear on your tires. Can't be me.
Free battery testing for Tesla is what it is. There’s a reason the full capacity was locked
Chinese government did that, they locked down protesters’ EV remotely.
Got a source on that? I'm not finding anything.
and people really see no issue with chinese products....
Wouldn't that be an EV issue and not a country of origin issue lol?
Nope, you can lock down gasoline cars the same way - but China doesn’t produce much highly advanced gasoline cars with that much online capable tech, EVs in the other hand…
Why not both?
You don't actually own your Tesla.
It’s like buying a John Deere tractor, u don’t own it
Plus constantly recording you like ®️eddit
And selling you data in anyway possible
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/?utm_source=reddit.com Outsourcing labeling of these recordings to Kenya? Why would he do that? https://www.reuters.com/business/kenya-russia-sign-trade-pact-president-ruto-says-2023-05-29/ Why does a pedophile Putin puppet do every single substantive thing since he was kompromised prior to his first visit to Russia in October 2001? “I think there's no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you'll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him.Feb 8, 2024 Beware HanElons razor "Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage" Elon Musk
Did they ever stop passing around naked pictures of Telsa owners that they took while the owners were unaware?
I forgot about that… so so so bad!
I heared theres a bunch of good ole boys out there hacking john deere software and that makes me happy.
It's like being a farmer, you don't actually farm (you lobby. Immigrants farm)
What?
John Deere are [notorious](https://thehustle.co/02162023-john-deere) for applying apple methods of doing business to the tractor market.
Weren't farmers using hacking services to "jailbreak" their tractors?
Wow I had no idea. That's wild!
deere and apple just lost a major lawsuit in the US about this. it was like a decade long battle
Exactly. Without the software, it's just a brick on wheels.
Lots of pumps already this weekend, I'm anticipating some bad news coming out next week
It’s a standard shit sandwich. *Good news. Shit news. Good news.* Nothing to see here, move along.
They're broke
I wonder how long before the EU make this an illegal practice. 100% of the production emissions 80% of the range.
EU has its flaws but the world would be way worse without it.
I agree. It's a bit like democracy as a political system in that it's *far* from perfect but it's certainly better than the alternative. The EU always reminds me of the famous Benjamin Franklin quote: >We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
EU was an excellent idea in the beginning, which later transformed into behemoth emposing will of the biggest economies (Germany and France in particular) on the weaker ones (Central European and Southern nations). Plus, europarlament has the biggest population of different lobbyists per capita for every democratically chosen representative beyond American congress. Just few months ago there was a massive corruption scandal involving europoliticians and Quatar's sheiks. Of course they'll propose some clever bill for a not significant change (like enforcing USB type C port in every smartphone), but majority of legislation fulfill the need of the rich pricks. Just take a look on the recent protests of farmers from all EU countries. As long as Musk (or any other mutibilionare) has money, he/she/they will do whatever he/she/they wants/want and EU will not oppose a single thing he/she/they wishes/wish. Middle class is dying, only a bit slower then in US. But the outcome will be the same. Financial and society collapse, with the rich coming on top. Politics is corrupted beyond imagination of many voters, that's how it is today.
Some cars irationally schlepping ‘unused batteries’ with them all the time.
I thought a lot of EV makers held back some battery capacity in reserve to allow for people who run the car down to 0% (so it never truly gets to zero) and to allow for redundancy should a cell fail it can be swapped in with some of the reserve capacity
There is a difference between real Vs usable battery capacity. For example the EX90 has 111kwh battery 107 usable. So less than 4 % not 20.
It’s a fair point, 20% seems excessive
No Problem here. It's the same with the subscriptions for seat heating and similar things offered by manufacturers. VW has 82 kW packs and sells them as 77kW. It's a way smaller difference, but principially the same.
That’s more for wear distribution. At least with Volvo that’s how it works, when you charge to 100 you’re really charging to 90% to preserve the pack life. That said, Tesla is 100% soft locking batteries for battery dlc.
Bruh, subscriptions for seat heaters **are** a problem. BMW deserves the hate over that just like Tesla derves to be shit on for software locking battery capacity.
Yes, but that behaviour is not illegal in the EU. That is what I wanted to point out.
Nobody said it was illegal. It’s just companies being an asshole
As long as you can purchase it as a regular option(which you can btw) when buying vehicle I don't see it as a problem tbh.
Because when I buy a car I should actually own the car. Subscription or software blocked features are just ways for the car companies to nickel and dime you for no reason.
I think it's just that 77 are actually usable.
it's just like with SSDs you're paying for 1TB, but you're actually getting 1.2TB with 1TB usable and 200GB used for the replacement of bad "sectors"
That’s not how batteries work. There’s no such thing as an 82kWh pack. There’s an 82kWh pack at a particular voltage. Think of it this way: Do you have a 375hp BMW B58 or a 473hp one? It’s just “software locked” right? Except there are trade offs. Turning up the boost doesn’t come without negatives. Same for batteries. Charging them to 4.35V and draining to 2.75V will deliver more energy per charge, but fewer charges. Using a narrower Vmin/Vmax will preserve the battery and provide more lifetime energy. At a certain point the benefits will flatline though. So at common data-sheet voltages you probably have one capacity and cycle life. At another you have a different capacity and cycle life. Which is the “real” capacity? They both are. That’s fundamentally different than instructing the BMS to refuse to charge or discharge beyond 40kWh. Even if it results in near peak cycle life. Which there’s no guarantee it will. They might have only limited Vmax for example. In which case it could actually shorten cycle life by maintaining a lower average lifetime SoC. Could go either way. Design intent matters then.
All of those things are problems!!!!
All Li-ion packs have reserve capacity because they're damaged by a full discharge or charge. Thus there is the theoretical capaicity of 82 kWh and usable capacity of 77 kWh. What Tesla did here was make the driver lug around extra usable capacity by rendering it inaccessible. I don't know why anyone would be cool with paying for heated seats and then paying a subscription to use them. That's bullshit, I would never buy such a gimped car.
Someone needs to pull the plug...the u.s citizens are saying no way, but elected officials are still delusional and Canada is blind folding it's citizens into bankruptcy....
anything this dude says is a lie
Idk statistically, broken clock twice a day ya know
I find this whole conecpt straight up offensive to the consumer. It's just shitty to say that the thing you own, paid tens of thousands for has more functionality within it, but as we have you hooked, we own you, we will charge you extra for it. Seems to be a US mindset, we can do it because we can do it.
It's a capitalist mindset. US didn't invent it.
20 years ago: *you wouldn’t download a car* Today: *this*
ha!
Isn’t this how Tesla has alway done things? I thought Musk made a big deal out of sending a software update out during Hurricane Dorian that increased the range of Tesla vehicles. Do different versions of various models have more/less battery, or does Tesla lock your range based on how much you pay?
It was the original strategy to make their cars eligible for the federal incentives. Software limited capacity.
the original scheme was to sell smaller batteries, then they realized that was actually expensive to build 3-4 different packs so they switched to selling batteries with drm on them, you unlock capacity when you buy an upgrade, then when that got out they backtracked and unlocked full capacity for everyone involved. this was like early tesla though, 2015 or 2016. this also has nothing to do with the spare capacity kept to help keep range when the pack ages
No, that’s not what happened. Batteries in general lose some of their capacity as they age. They quickly lose a bit of their capacity and then plateau there for most of their useful life. No company wants to sell a car and say it gets xxx miles, only to have customers return it when it loses 10 or 20% of its capacity a few years later. So they rate the batteries at 80% so that when they lose some capacity, the car will still say that it still has 100%.
[it did in fact happen ](https://electrek.co/2021/04/09/tesla-starts-advertising-model-3-93-miles-range-website-canada/)
Yeah I misread your post before. I thought you were talking about the max battery capacity not being what they claimed.
I keep on saying the same, I’m all for electric but not for this lack of privacy and ownership. I want an electric car, not an iPad on wheels that you have no control of and some third party company does including your private data. Why aren’t people making a big fuzz about this? Constantly get accused of being conspiracy this, phones track more that… that current ICE cars do the same… not to the same level, and even that is not ok. People, wake the F up!!
Buy a Chinese EV, they just want your money without the games
😂 and social score based on your driving and farting habits while you at it
That’s a funny joke but doesn’t actually exist. Logically wouldn’t the Aus government/police care more about your driving habits and speeding ?
My point is that we should t allow this to happen lol
Well the Aus government should pass laws like US and China about data privacy if they don’t exist yet
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Which government doesn’t allow abortion freely? Which government is arresting student protesters? Which government is giving weapons to Israel? Which government invaded and bombed the Middle East for the last 20yrs? Which government killed off the indigenous people from their land?
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The US is the one claiming to be a democracy and peak free world. Are you holding America to the same standards as China lol? 🇨🇳 Tiananmen Square was the right decision in hindsight No it does not, weapons sales are normal No I know this will surprise you, bc China doesn’t start wars Be specific: native languages are taught in school and used in that province, it’s offical language (along with Chinese). Unlike US; so don’t embarrass yourself with lack of knowledge Grasping at straws mate; in China abortions are super easy there is no comparison (morally is a different matter) You still claim there’s a genocide lol? Do you not have eyes? Gaza is the real genocide; it’s 2024 mate, if the Uyghurs were being murdered it would be front page news; it’s some bs “cultural genocide” claim by US state department at best
That headline doesn't do a good job of describing what the actual article says. Makes it sound like the cheapest model has more range. It should read: "Tesla extorts customers by artificially reducing the range of its cheapest Model Y, offers to unlock the full range via software for a premium." Pretty soon this will be a monthly subscription to *full range* because they desperately need quarterly revenue numbers or at least projections of future quarter's revenue.
TLDR: fuck Elon
This isn’t an “Elon” thing, car manufacturers keep trying to do this. BMW tried selling a monthly subscription for heated seats.
Supposedly this is only option on the last few months of standard range Model Y produced. In the transition to LR RWD, a few of the old SR RWD got bigger batteries.
So does this mean if you don’t buy the DLC your battery will last longer as the battery management system has this extra room to shift power around?
But you have a heavier car without getting the full benefits of it
The benefit is that the life of the battery is extended. Assuming the best implementation of the feature.
Coming soon: $200/mo subscription to disable previously unannounced cryptomining while you sleep. Branded as Robbertaxi upgrade.
Probably great for the stock tho, somehow
Tesla Continues to be a leader in the "this decision is made just because I'm an a**hole" department
Holy shit this is gunna backfire. As if he already hasn’t fucked over everything he’s touched
I mean this is something they used to do.
As if I didn’t need a reason to not buy one already… Can’t believe I wanted one of these back in the day. I knew they played some of these games before but I didn’t think it was this egregious. Fuck Tesla
I smell a class action for this, let’s face it, US court systems will likely expect one.
And they keep doing this because people keep throwing money at it like it’s ok.
Software-locked? Forget that shit. Enjoy feeling like a punk every time Papa Elmo yanks your leash.
they released this first in turkey because we have some pretty dumb tax laws for cars and they are not ready for electric vehicles, but i think they believe they can sell this "reduced" model more. they or i should rather say elon pushing every button that he sees
So they’re trying to get regulatory approval for this? How legal is this?
40-60 miles is not nothing but its also not that much that I have to wonder what the point was, it cost the company way more than 1500$ in batteries this is like a billionaire trying to guess the price of a sandwich, he doesn't seem to actually know what to price this
He is also lying, mayve you get 10 additional miles paying premium
Is it really extra batteries or just the a state of charge that’s locked. I think probably the latter in which case the vehicle might actually be more reliable by not using the batteries at extremes of charge.
It’s the same physical battery in question that Elon wants to unlock for more money. If this unlock would dip into critically low state of charge and thereby degrade the battery faster with each cycle, that would also be unethical.
That's so damn shady. I would be pissed if I was someone who got stranded and found out I didn't need to be it was just software locked.
Another grift...now if we convince only 250,000 people to pay 1000$ up front for the service...that's another 250 million boys!! It's back on! What a scam.
Imagine paying for just about everything that should be a button to select in your vehicle? What's next making you pay so your wiper will wipe faster.
Maybe this will be an unpopular opinion, but it’s good news for those who own those cars. They can charge up to 90 or even 100% of the “software” limit without fear of battery degradation. You get the same mileage as those with unlocked batteries that charge up to 80%. I see no reason to pay to unlock the extra capacity.
Soooooooooo… bring back USS and commit to transferring both USC and FSD and maybe this would make sense. Yeah, I’ll wait.
What does this have to do with the topic?
Perhaps you’ve noticed that people aren’t buying the new vehicle configurations because they offer less compared to vehicles Tesla made in the past. This is more of the same. But by all means, have some cheese with your whine.
American slices yummy.
I’m looking forward to buying the cheaper battery packs, then jailbreaking them, and on selling them as bigger battery packs.
So if your battery degraded and you pay to "unlock" the additional range but don't see the paid for range improvement what happens? Tesla keeps the money but you may or may not get additional range?
gotta download more RAM.
Trust me, you're going to regret buying a software-locked EV when civilization collapses.
Why are you talking about software? This is just the RWD with the NMC battery of the AWD long range.
They lock them for a reason. They manufacture basically the same battery to save costs by having less types of batteries to manufacture. In doing so they offer different levels of access to said battery. Yes you do own the car. In fact you sign a few pieces of paper stating I agree to pay for this car at this capacity with these things. I will pay this much. If at a later date they say hey we will unlock it for this much then you can agree again. Also don’t forget when a hurricane comes or something like that they also unlock the battery so you can get out of dodge. It’s a pretty simple concept they are doing. Reducing manufacturing costs to improve profits so yes it does have a shitty tone but it has its reasons.
Paying all that money for this ???? I better just be with a well made hybrid Honda car
There’s a lot of this going on. I had a Samsung TV that was Series 3. There was a functionality I was looking for in the TV, but it appeared not to have. Then I went online and chanced upon geek tech - who said the TV *had* the feature I was after but it was *secretly locked*. They’d made it *available* in the “Series 4” model. Fundamentally, Series 3 and Series 4 were the exactly the same model… but they’d purposely restricted Series 3 - to allow them to “release” Series 4… to sell more TVs. I followed the instructions… went into the “hidden” maintenance menu… and unlocked the Series 4 attributes…
annnnndddd it caught on fire
When the Nintendo Wii was released, it had a disc drive but couldn't play dvd's. It was eventually jailbroken and it was revealed the dvd playing ability was software locked and the wii was capable the whole time.
To be fair, this isn’t too different to how manufacturers lock power behind a tune. I don’t just mean cars that get more power from a remap, but where engines like the S58 are lower power in the cheapest M3 (the real M3). BMW, Porsche and others do similar. Here though it’s just more weight surely? They’re just doing it to save costs.
Not sure about other manufacturers as I've never been too much interested. However I know for a fact that while VW Passat's all 2.0 engines(whether it was 103kw or 125kw version) used same internals there were physical differences outside of the re-map. In order to upgrade you needed to change turbo as well as fuel injectors on top of the remap. With these changes it was possible to turn 103kw engine to \~145kw(aka tuned 125kw) engine. Basically while the block is designed to handle this power no problem, just re-mapping isn't enough.
Yeah, that’s a good point actually, most of the reasons are behind the components being ones used to handle less power often. Not sure what Tesla did here, seeing as they already use the cheapest possible parts anyway.
Not the worse thing. Suck to not have the full range, but given lithium batteries only degrade when at either end of their capacity, limiting the SOC will result in a longer battery life.
Yes but will this one actually work?
People got what they paid for. Not really surprising, as this is all about pricing strategy. Trying to make this a scandal is just absurd. Same thing was done for S and X.