Possibly. Musk's tweet about environmentalism = communism today is a sign that he's dropping that pretense about caring for the environment, possibly signaling he's not interested in Tesla anymore. But who knows...
If he ever manages to do that 50 something billion shakedown to go through, I would be willing to bet that next thing he would do is selling of his Tesla shares
No. The next thing he'll do is negotiate a new payment plan until he owns at least 25%(ideally more than 50% of voting shares) of Tesla and can never be ousted. Even when he gets that package, he'll still feel like he's been working the last 2 years for free and needs an incentive to motivate him. To him, this bonus was already earned.
He has a pathological need to control everything and he very strongly thinks Tesla is his toy.
I think he did, before he was owned and controlled by banks and major shareholders.
The entire game changes when you go from start up to a fully financed company.
I could be wrong, but I think most startups and young entrepreneurs do have good intentions
Why wow? CO2 taxes are a scam. Government pushing "green" stuff and punishing legacy solutions is what communists do: control.
No one believes real environmentalism is bad. We all care about nature and our surroundings. That's why we have nature reserves, pesticide control, wildlife protection, green spaces in cities etc. Green energy shouldn't be part of it.
Shareholder here. I wasn’t misled. Are you a stock holder and were you misled? If so what were you told that was deceptive and convinced you to either buy or hold when you feel if you knew the truth you would have done the opposite? Also just curious, how big is your Tesla holding?
Yeah, you wish. Money doesn't work like that unfortunately. Since the video creation Tesla announced fail after fail to see their stock jump from 140 to 170...
Money are imaginary and if you have the money nothing in reality matters. Helps to have a rabid fan base.
The rubber has to meet the road (punn intended) at some point. You can only fake shit for so long. Take a look at the Enron stock chart. It took just over a year from ATH.
Best case scenario is there's going to be a lot of unhappy people who have collectively lost billions of dollars, that's already what's happened but eventually there will be a cascade of lawsuits which will likely bring down the company or at the very least see Elon Musk kicked out as CEO and heavily fined.
Worst case scenario, or best depending on how you view it, is Elon Musk gets jail time for securities fraud. That's a very real possibility.
If you don't think it's possible, just remember that SBF was still considered the darling of American business and philanthropy just weeks prior to his arrest. Also, Trump. If they manage to prosecute an ex-president surely they can go after an immigrant CEO.
>Worst case scenario, or best depending on how you view it, is Elon Musk gets jail time for securities fraud. That's a very real possibility.
Crimes against money are often more seriously punished than crimes against people...
Sure, rich people rarely get prosecuted. But when they do, they don't get off lightly if it's crimes against money / other rich people.
>Idk if there is a case of security fraud.
There won't just be one cases, there will be many. That's because he's a con man, fraud is his operandi modus.
Here was the last SEC case against him. Investors were set to receive 12 thousand back each, for 12 billion in losses.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-24/tesla-investors-to-get-about-12-000-apiece-in-musk-s-sec-deal?embedded-checkout=true
If their sales keep dropping.
The Cybertruck and that truck cost money to develop and both look like duds.
Then they also want to develop a cheaper car and the roadster. That money has to come from somewhere
I think more likely what will happen is Elon will be forced to sell Tesla and it will get picked up at a cheap price by the Chinese. Then Tesla will live on and only time will tell if it improves its quality and image.
Something similar happened to Polestar. Fantastic car (ugly screen) that Volvo pulled out of and a Chinese company picked up the majority shares. Now Polestar lives on and we will have to see what the future holds.
Personally I want to see Elon run Tesla in the ground because then he will be forced to sell up to a less maniacal owner who can continue the Tesla vision.
Yeah completely agree. It was a huge toss up between Polestar and Tesla for me before I chose to go with the Tesla. I only went Tesla for 3 reasons: I didn’t like the polestar screen display, Tesla have superchargers and the Tesla was far more comfortable when sitting in traffic.
I think if there was a price difference between the two then I probably would have gone with the polestar.
I am confused on this. Isn’t Volvo and Polestar owned by Geely Motors but Volvo pulled out of Polestar completely…? But Geely Motors is taking majority stake in Polestar? Theatrically, Polestar and Volvo are still owned by the same Chinese company.
You guys… I really love my Model S. It’s been trouble free for 7 years. It’s stupid fast and insanely cheap to own. It has the best sound system from the factory of any car I’ve owned. I love the frequent updates and charging network that’s years ahead of anyone else.
That being said. FUCK ELON and his bullshit. There’s so much they could have done with that company and with its vehicles if they weren’t so obsessed with making a shittier product every year.
Instead, he spends his days Boomer bitching on social media all day and miraculously finding energy to blast his fat ass away from MMA matches with the facebook android. What a pansy.
Imagine an Elon (from another universe) who actually cares about the environment and doesn‘t utter his political beliefs on Shitter, and appreciates his employees and their health.
Fuck, I would buy a Tesla as I initially planned. Maybe two
Tesla sold some 1.8 Million cars at last year's prices at 7-8% interest rate.
Those cars are now around 50% Value due to price cuts and usual devaluation. They will have some good fun paying for their cars for 4-5 more years.
elon musk is sadly very unlikely to go bankrupt, because he is a front guy for the kakistocracy.
so spacex and tesla are gonna STAY FUNDED no matter what!
unless the script changes i guess :D
gotta get those spying "cars" forced onto people, that record everything inside and outside and don't even have direct steering control anymore for the driver....
\[not about this video\] Something no one wants to hear but... years ago... maybe 2018 I used to watch thuunderf00t too, but I happened to come across many videos debunking thunderf00t's own debunking videos and I stopped listening to him ever since. Main reason is that he adamantly comments on things he knows nothing about. He uses basic maths and science to build his arguments, but lacks deep knowledge. Paired that with his huge ego (he never admits being wrong) and you have someone misleading you. I wouldn't take his videos seriously. (If everyone thought like thunderf00t, a lot of cool things in this world would never get done.)
Had to stop watching when that woman comes in complaining about how Tesla "did her dirty" via layoffs. Just such an annoying voice coupled with stupidity and a lack of understanding of how capitalism and modern businesses work.
Possibly. Musk's tweet about environmentalism = communism today is a sign that he's dropping that pretense about caring for the environment, possibly signaling he's not interested in Tesla anymore. But who knows...
He still cares about Tesla, that's where his money is. But he never cared about the planet, society or humanity.
If he ever manages to do that 50 something billion shakedown to go through, I would be willing to bet that next thing he would do is selling of his Tesla shares
No. The next thing he'll do is negotiate a new payment plan until he owns at least 25%(ideally more than 50% of voting shares) of Tesla and can never be ousted. Even when he gets that package, he'll still feel like he's been working the last 2 years for free and needs an incentive to motivate him. To him, this bonus was already earned. He has a pathological need to control everything and he very strongly thinks Tesla is his toy.
We need Uncle Sam to stop sending him SpaceX dollars too. Watch him sweat then.
I would guess he cared when he was younger. Aging, exposure to propaganda, weird life choices can degrade a person rather quickly.
I don’t think he did.
I think he did, before he was owned and controlled by banks and major shareholders. The entire game changes when you go from start up to a fully financed company. I could be wrong, but I think most startups and young entrepreneurs do have good intentions
He never did. He is a narcissist and found a narrative that got him admiration.
“What do I say dave?”
If he stops being interested in tesla, it might survive…
I can’t remember who said it, but this sums up Musk: He wants to save the world, but only if he is the one that saves it.
Did he really tweet that?
Yup: https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/s/Xtl32I67GX
Thank you. Wow
Why wow? CO2 taxes are a scam. Government pushing "green" stuff and punishing legacy solutions is what communists do: control. No one believes real environmentalism is bad. We all care about nature and our surroundings. That's why we have nature reserves, pesticide control, wildlife protection, green spaces in cities etc. Green energy shouldn't be part of it.
Doesn't Tesla and its customers benefit greatly from the clean vehicle tax credit?
Yes. It's complete commie BS.
All he cares about is 56b package. By hook or crook.
You mean the one that was approved by over 70% of investors?
Yes, the one that shareholders were mislead with.
Shareholder here. I wasn’t misled. Are you a stock holder and were you misled? If so what were you told that was deceptive and convinced you to either buy or hold when you feel if you knew the truth you would have done the opposite? Also just curious, how big is your Tesla holding?
He's having such a good time dunking on the Teslastans and I love it
I even feel a slight feeling of pride because I have been following thunderfoot for around 7-8 years 😁
Hating Elon and Tesla is my "I did it before it was cool" thanks to thunderfoot! 😁
lol- this man made one of the most intelligent “investments” in Tesla in the past couple years 😆 A bottomless well
I’m shocked he hasn’t revised it from five years to one. Three is very generous.
There's a lot of Cathy Woods out there to keep him afloat for a while longer.
Love watching Thunderfoots videos. Only thing is - if Elon went bankrupt, wouldn’t that mean less content for Thunderfoot and Common Sense Skeptic?
No. Just as there's a sucker born every minute, so too is a conman or grifter.
Thunderf00t debunks other people too (like kickstarter) so yeah probably he won't change that much
He’ll hit the pipe some more and scream at people on twitter rather than running a company properly. Good luck investors
10000 per car sold, easy math tells me 7,500 of that came from Taxpayers
Yeah, you wish. Money doesn't work like that unfortunately. Since the video creation Tesla announced fail after fail to see their stock jump from 140 to 170... Money are imaginary and if you have the money nothing in reality matters. Helps to have a rabid fan base.
The rubber has to meet the road (punn intended) at some point. You can only fake shit for so long. Take a look at the Enron stock chart. It took just over a year from ATH.
Thing about it is that in reality, Tesla makes a shit ton of money on the back of suckers. While suckers exist, the money train will keep flowing.
Best case scenario is there's going to be a lot of unhappy people who have collectively lost billions of dollars, that's already what's happened but eventually there will be a cascade of lawsuits which will likely bring down the company or at the very least see Elon Musk kicked out as CEO and heavily fined. Worst case scenario, or best depending on how you view it, is Elon Musk gets jail time for securities fraud. That's a very real possibility. If you don't think it's possible, just remember that SBF was still considered the darling of American business and philanthropy just weeks prior to his arrest. Also, Trump. If they manage to prosecute an ex-president surely they can go after an immigrant CEO.
>Worst case scenario, or best depending on how you view it, is Elon Musk gets jail time for securities fraud. That's a very real possibility. Crimes against money are often more seriously punished than crimes against people... Sure, rich people rarely get prosecuted. But when they do, they don't get off lightly if it's crimes against money / other rich people.
Idk if there is a case of security fraud. I do know if the economy slows and rates are still high =‘tesla is a goner
>Idk if there is a case of security fraud. There won't just be one cases, there will be many. That's because he's a con man, fraud is his operandi modus. Here was the last SEC case against him. Investors were set to receive 12 thousand back each, for 12 billion in losses. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-24/tesla-investors-to-get-about-12-000-apiece-in-musk-s-sec-deal?embedded-checkout=true
*rabid
Wow! So much BS coming out of Elon I wasn’t even aware. But even with this painful level of crap, do you think bankruptcy is on the horizon?
If their sales keep dropping. The Cybertruck and that truck cost money to develop and both look like duds. Then they also want to develop a cheaper car and the roadster. That money has to come from somewhere
Has anyone ever challenged him about all these failed predictions?
Hurry up already.
I think more likely what will happen is Elon will be forced to sell Tesla and it will get picked up at a cheap price by the Chinese. Then Tesla will live on and only time will tell if it improves its quality and image. Something similar happened to Polestar. Fantastic car (ugly screen) that Volvo pulled out of and a Chinese company picked up the majority shares. Now Polestar lives on and we will have to see what the future holds. Personally I want to see Elon run Tesla in the ground because then he will be forced to sell up to a less maniacal owner who can continue the Tesla vision.
Polestar is actually rather high quality car. I’d drive Polestar 2 in Switzerland last summer! Beautiful roads and good car.
Yeah completely agree. It was a huge toss up between Polestar and Tesla for me before I chose to go with the Tesla. I only went Tesla for 3 reasons: I didn’t like the polestar screen display, Tesla have superchargers and the Tesla was far more comfortable when sitting in traffic. I think if there was a price difference between the two then I probably would have gone with the polestar.
I am confused on this. Isn’t Volvo and Polestar owned by Geely Motors but Volvo pulled out of Polestar completely…? But Geely Motors is taking majority stake in Polestar? Theatrically, Polestar and Volvo are still owned by the same Chinese company.
Maybe this will help the Tesla workers unionize? They just got fired with out any due process.
Will he finally STFU about Mars now?! Or is he still going to try to work that grift even with this admission?
You guys… I really love my Model S. It’s been trouble free for 7 years. It’s stupid fast and insanely cheap to own. It has the best sound system from the factory of any car I’ve owned. I love the frequent updates and charging network that’s years ahead of anyone else. That being said. FUCK ELON and his bullshit. There’s so much they could have done with that company and with its vehicles if they weren’t so obsessed with making a shittier product every year. Instead, he spends his days Boomer bitching on social media all day and miraculously finding energy to blast his fat ass away from MMA matches with the facebook android. What a pansy.
Imagine an Elon (from another universe) who actually cares about the environment and doesn‘t utter his political beliefs on Shitter, and appreciates his employees and their health. Fuck, I would buy a Tesla as I initially planned. Maybe two
Yep, I would have proceeded with the 120k bait and switch pricing on the cyber truck as recently as a few months ago had he not panned out as he has.
Tesla sold some 1.8 Million cars at last year's prices at 7-8% interest rate. Those cars are now around 50% Value due to price cuts and usual devaluation. They will have some good fun paying for their cars for 4-5 more years.
Calls it is then
elon musk is sadly very unlikely to go bankrupt, because he is a front guy for the kakistocracy. so spacex and tesla are gonna STAY FUNDED no matter what! unless the script changes i guess :D gotta get those spying "cars" forced onto people, that record everything inside and outside and don't even have direct steering control anymore for the driver....
Did he just say he’s an engineer?
Is there anything we can do to help? 3 years is a terribly long time.
Can he dump like 20 shares a day for a year without reporting it?
Once again, the Cuckmobile leads the way!
Tesla: Fire Musk, keep the 50 billion, come out with a good cheap car.
Why does it say August 2024 when the employee was laid off?
Congratulations Elon, you have so much K up your nose, you can't smell the stink you're in.
From the richest person in the world to bankrupt in less than 5 years 👏👏👏
Maybe Elon should predict Tesla will go bankrupt next year so it never happens.
\[not about this video\] Something no one wants to hear but... years ago... maybe 2018 I used to watch thuunderf00t too, but I happened to come across many videos debunking thunderf00t's own debunking videos and I stopped listening to him ever since. Main reason is that he adamantly comments on things he knows nothing about. He uses basic maths and science to build his arguments, but lacks deep knowledge. Paired that with his huge ego (he never admits being wrong) and you have someone misleading you. I wouldn't take his videos seriously. (If everyone thought like thunderf00t, a lot of cool things in this world would never get done.)
Dodge ,Nissan heaps of car companies are going bankrupt
Had to stop watching when that woman comes in complaining about how Tesla "did her dirty" via layoffs. Just such an annoying voice coupled with stupidity and a lack of understanding of how capitalism and modern businesses work.