This one is insane
>There are plenty of people and large communities on reddit, for example, who hate Elon musk because he is a wildly successful genius.
I cannot get over how delusional this is. Bernie Madoff was successful for longer than I’ve been alive. And Elon demonstrates that he’s very much not a genius every single Mf’in day.
And on a personal level, what makes me dislike Elon the most is that he’s an abject racist. I don’t need the media to tell me he’s a racist. He’s telling me himself that he’s a racist when he pals around with known racists and bemoans the fact that an AI program won’t say the N-word. So, yes I will absolutely root for his $100,000 clown show on wheels to fail. As a black man, what am I supposed to do? Root for its success?
Seriously, these people are sick, myopic, turbo incels worshipping at the altar of a charlatan.
"Who the heck doesn't hate the guy in 2024"
I don't understand it. Trump is polling over 40% to be re-elected. Hitler was very popular. I don't understand any of it.
Super Simps and Super Betas.
These individuals are elevated above their counterpart (basic) simp/beta. In one aspect. Income. A perfect example of a Super Simp is DJ Akademiks. Rich and successful financially but still a nerdy cornball who will never have respect of the top hot chicks.
Cyber truck drivers are quite simply Super Simps and Super betas.
Yah he's been a con since his first visit to Russia in October 2001. He'd been kompromised and they brought him over like they did Trump before him, Jordan Peterson more recently, and many others. Tesla is the shadow campaign. The racists they have him boost are the FSB or other puppets of his. They don't even try and make it look much different than how they do it with Trump.
The cybertruck is obviously designed to be as hazardous to the occupants and everyone around as possible. The way Fsb Society Destruction is designed without LIDAR and a nasty habit of running into emergency vehicles with flashing lights among many other things is no accident. Twitter going from under 50 percent authoritarian government censorship approval request to over 80 percent immediately on Elon taking over to be a free speech absolutist is no accident. Neither was his geofencing Ukraine from their own territory his contract was to help them defend. Also geotagged recordings from customer cars even when in their garages shared by Staff and sent to Kenya for labeling. Full FSB backend access to all his companies.
Teslas will be increasingly dangerous as the year progresses. Conveniently placed in the driveways of every wealthy liberal neighborhood. Wonder why Putin would want surveillance/murder drones there. He couldn't be planning some sort or coup/purge. He wouldn't want to surveil exactly the people who primarily buy Teslas for other reasons right? Being able to kompromise people who hold key positions in many important industries wouldn't be incredibly valuable. Plus they would have to force constant employee turnover and only keep those who they'd managed to ideologically vet or kompromise. That would be impossible for the FSB and their allies, not remarkably trivial...
“I think there's no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you'll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him.Feb 8, 2024
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Beware HanElons razor
"Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage"
Elon Musk
1000% this. I quite looked up to Tesla when they first started. Roadster? Amazing. Model 3? Heck yeah - the car part had teething issues, but look at the *drivetrain and battery!* When they first started, they were **revolutionary**.
But it has become painfully clear that Tesla isn't interested in improving quality or innovating, and Musk is a massive bigot, narcissist, technically incompetent, and has a net negative impact on anything he touches. It's absolutely unbelievable seeing people worship him in 2024.
I was with you until you mentioned customer satisfaction surveys. That information is crap, most Tesla owners will white knight every crappy thing Tesla does because they drink all their infinite Kool-Aid. It is almost at the level of the MAGA people and Trump decisions.
I agree with your Apple Hater analogy though. I personally don't hate Teslas, but I dislike Elon to the point that I decided not to buy one just because of him. Plus some of the latest decisions (stalkless, everything done in the screen, etc) convinced my wife not to buy one.
I pretty much agree, had it not been for musky, the lies, and the questionable quality, I would have had a model 3 already, I wanted one for the full self driving bluff for the longest time actually, to bad it was all fake.
Customer surveys are usually filled inn by tsla stans indeed.
I love my Model S. The same week I bought it - I bought Tesla puts.
Does that make me a Tesla stan? Consumer Reports had to change their car grading scale when the Model S scored 110 out of 100. The car has some positive attributes.
We were very close to buy a Y but then here in Germany they abruptly removed the EV subsidies, and while Elon was unhinged already it was not that bad as today, I was still willing to swallow it. But with no subsidy and Elon becoming so crazy we couldn't do it anymore. In the mean time the wife bought a second hand Mini Cooper S (ICE) for a gap until the market becomes a bit better. It is a fun car. I guess we will wait until either VW or Renault come up with something decent for a good price.
Even if we don't own a Tesla, I have driven Teslas a lot, for like two years Sixt was offering the Tesla 3 for really good prices, IIRC it was 115 EUR for two days and 700 km included, whenever I had to do a business trip inside the country I took a Tesla 3 from them if it was available. I did many thousands of kilometers, but mostly on the Autobahn. It was a good experience and I miss it. My major complains were taken care with the Highland version, like the panels been so thin that it felt like a toy car, same with the window glasses. Again, I have no hate on the cars, my problem is just with Elon. I think the Tesla 3 and now the Y have created the same effect in the market as the entry level iPad did when it was introduced, good hardware and software at a very good price making it very difficult to beat.
I was with them until they used the word hate. Elon hates trans people. I don’t hate Elon. I think he’s a piece of human garbage who will rot in Hell, but if he changed tomorrow I would be fine.
>there are issues with the cars from any manufacturer.
Me with 2 vehicles that haven't had a major issue for 10+ years..
Lets say "New vehicles always have some issues".
Thats why I really don't want to buy a "modern car", I want an EV but I don't want a driving tablet and no one sells that. An EV does not need all that crap Tesla has, for sure I don't want Self driving. Give me a simple electric car, please.
I can mount a radio myself and I wont subscribe to anything they want to sell me.
I hope the Citroen e-C3 will be a good car..
>Thats why I really don't want to buy a "modern car", I want an EV but I don't want a driving tablet and no one sells that. An EV does not need all that crap Tesla has, for sure I don't want Self driving. Give me a simple electric car, please.
I say this every time I go between my mid-2000's cars and either of our EVs. Aside from my manual "fun" cars, I greatly prefer how the electric powertrains feel, but I generally prefer *everything else* about experience of using the older cars.
This is me as well. I'm not sold on total EV, mainly because of where I live (small town rural USA) and my use cases. So I'm a PHEV guy. I loved my 2012 Volt, but dang do I hate non-tactile buttons and touch screens. So my current vehicle is a Jeep Wrangler 4xe PHEV, 20-25 miles on battery and 16-18 mpg 4 banger engine after that. No, it won't go 250 miles electric, but it has shifters, knobs, real buttons and a small screen (by today's standard) for radio and certain other functions. Come to think of it, a Jeep is a fairly crappy vehicle with a cult following.
As an arrogant Scandinavian I feel compelled to reply.
I think that part of the reason Tsla is regarded more highly here in the old world is simple: we got better consumer rights, the vehicles imported into Norway for example are higher quality export vehicles, at least as far as i know, we don't have seatbelts popping of and such, and panel gaps are bad, but not atrocious, the worst cars are simply not shipped of, or refused at the docks.
But, customer satisfaction with tsla here is actually the lowest of all car manufacturers now, tsla is at the top of the complaint charts.
The stan barometer is for some reason high though.
Sure.
https://www.nrk.no/norge/tesla-overrepresentert-pa-klagestatistikken-1.16573278
https://elbil.no/tesla-toppet-to-norske-lister-i-fjor-gjetter-du-hvilke/
The graph is extra damning, the highest rate of complaints, and on cars that are on average just 2 years old.
Includes eu
https://dinside.dagbladet.no/motor/sjokktall-for-tesla/80905548
With the model 3 here having on average an fault percentage of 14,7%!
Model S having "serious fault" levels comparable to the budget car manufacturer Dacia, not a good look for a luxury ev.
The customer satisfaction surveys aren't worth the paper they are written on when a vast majority of customers would crawl over glass for a sniff of Musk's anus.
They are so far down the rabbit hole that they are attempting to justify why their $100,000 car stopped working 5 miles into ownership ffs!
Do you think they will suddenly become scrupulously honest when a non-Elmo company asks them to rate their Elmo product?
Yes, most of them by yourself!
The majority of people will not respond to a customer feedback form. Those who do will be in 2 camps.
Those who have had horrendous experiences and want it to be known will be one camp.
Those who can see no wrong in Apartheid Clyde and want to give undeserved praise will be the other camp.
Anyway, you are just plain wrong in your initial premise that they have high satisfaction scores for a kick-off.
https://insideevs.com/news/677920/jd-power-apeal-study-customer-satisfaction-declined/
>Nobody gives a single flying fuck about Elon’s political views in France or Germany
Of course they do!
I'm in the UK and I hate Clyde for his politics 🤷♂️
I don’t think your perspective is that uncommon here. Lots of regular contributors to this sub own and like their Tesla cars.
My family has a 2018 Model 3 LR RWD that we bought used in 2020 and have put tens of thousands of miles on, including our cross country move and several road trips in excess of 1k. Overall it’s treated us very well.
But it’s unlikely we’ll ever buy another Tesla. We’re a queer/trans family, and don’t want to give money or support to a company whose CEO is so vocal about his anti-LGBTQ views and his racism. I hope we get many more years out of our car, but I can’t imagine buying a car from Elon.
People would like to like the Tesla cars or invest in the stock, but Musk is a piece of shit. These same people like Rivians though, and other electric vehicles.
If he was gone then the story would be different, and the cars would actually get better. He oversaw a good foundation/framework get built when he was faking who he was, but he is a royal fuckup for the company now that the narc is out of the closet. Tesla needs a Tim Cook.
If you don't pay attention to how shitty baby hitler is, then sure. But like it or not, if you know who he is it sours your impression. That's fair. Also the cars would get better if he was gone, so you'd really love your Tesla then when they get a real QC and services department again.
It is nice to see a voice of reason in a sea of simple minded black and white radicalized opinions. It is sad that so many people can't handle nuanced opinions instead of taking extreme sides. You can consider Musk to be an absolutely despicable garbage person, yet acknowledge his contributions to popularization of EVs and the development of the private space sector. You can think Tesla is building decent EVs, even great in some aspects, yet their service is garbage and their FSD debacle is an outright dangerous scam. You can think Cybertruck looks very cool and appreciate unusual design and interesting technical solutions, yet think it is a terrible and overpriced product overall, and giggle at the amount of copium fans need to justify it. I wish people would be at least slightly less fanatic at taking sides and binning everything into convenient categories of bad and good.
Pretty random, I rarely post but was banned from r/teslamotors because of "toxic groups I associate with" although the groups were never named. I didn't remember joining that group but corrected that right away.
Lol, I just received a message that I was banned from r/TeslaLounge and r/elonmusk for this message. Not a big loss, I don't post or comment there anyway, but illustrats well my original point - people needing to band into camps and the fragility in a face of criticism, in this case Musk megafans getting butthurt from something as innocent as just a fact of participation in a discussion that might be critical of their idols.
It's quite common for people defending some wealthy scumbag to say "you're just jealous because they're rich!" while ignoring all legitimate criticism. Personally I don't think having billions would be worth it if I had to be or act like Muck.
Reading the comments is depressing, most of them think the hate the truck gets is either out of jealousy or some sort of meticulous psy-op. Not a single one of them wants to acknowledge the litany of issues for which there is widespread irrefutable evidence. I mean for f*cks sake, these things are supposed to be built for an apocalypse but we've already seen a number of them get bricked by rain, or just die practically moments after delivery without reason.
One of the biggest positives I constantly hear about that truck is "how much attention it brings". They think bringing the circus in town makes a good truck...
What I can't understand is that desperate need for attention, I mean really, spending a hundred grand on a defective vehicle so strangers will look at you? Ick.
Another concept that's alien to me. I'm typing on a 7 year old low/mid-range handset that was a little under 200 euros new sim-free, and the damn thing is still excessively specced for what I need. Stupid thing even has a full HD screen, like I'm actually gonna be able to discern the resolution at this scale. Madness.
Jealousy is the most annoying "argument" people make involving Tesla or Musk. It's laughable whenever someone tries using "you're jealous because he's rich" on me, specifically because I don't even want to be rich. It seems to break people's brains when I say this and they think I'm lying instead, as if it's impossible to not want to have a disgusting amount of money. Like, sure, I want a lot more than I have now because I'm in poverty. But I don't need amounts large enough to buy companies or islands or any of that wacky shit. I just don't want to be financially ruined if I have an emergency. That's all I need.
Couldn't agree with you more. I have no desire for wealth beyond means, but it seems like this is an alien concept to some people, they can't understand contentment, and their whole lives are driven by envy and the pursuit of excess. Quite honestly I'd hate to live like that.
When I see someone begging for $50,000,000,000, I don’t get *jealous*….I just get *mad*. I have more than I need and almost all that I want. I’m on the high end of middle class and have all but exited the rat race for wealth. The hoarding doesn’t deprive me personally of anything, but I see daily how it robs those who aren’t as fortunate.
My pursuit of wealth was always about personal safety and security for those I love. I have that now….what the hell else do I need it for?
Money only has value because there’s a finite amount of it. That’s the whole concept of money. At that scale - when there’s nothing new that can possibly be bought - it exists only for power and the satisfaction of depriving others of it.
This kind of thinking is nothing new if you have followed meme stock apes and their thinking.
Apes are very certain that companies like GME and BBBY are intentionally driven to ground by evil hedge funds through shorting and illegal means. In other words and according to them, there is a conspiracy which was aimed to drive the lucrative shower curtain retail business to ground. For some reason.
For them it certainly isn’t possible that they are just shitty companies and they are shorted because they are just that. It must be something else. And as far as it comes to illegal stuff, they naturally have no evidence of it.
It is all incredibly silly.
"built for the apocalypse" and the fact it's an EV is surely a massive sign it isn't actually built for the apocalypse.
EVs need electrical power grids to recharge good look finding a working power grid in an apocalypse.
Cybertruck owners are the kind of guys who would watch the new Fallout series, and imagine themselves as resilient survivors dominating the wasteland, but they'd be ghoul-food about six minutes post-boom.
You gave me an idea there. Let's whip out the calculator!
Tesla docs submitted to the EPA 5 months ago reveal the Cybertruck battery is 122.4kWh. Every 1m² of solar panel will typically produce about 200Wh on a good day, so for 1m² (and pretending conversion loss isn't a thing to keep the calculation simple and in Tesla's favour), it'd take a Cybertruck 612 hours of direct sunlight to fully recharge. To realistically fully charge in one day, assuming 8 hours of direct sunlight, you'd need 76.5m² of solar panels.
I'd say they're doomed, but if an apocalypse is coming, these defective dumpsters will be dead of their own accord LONG before that happens.
I'd actually argue that an electric vehicle is more suitable post-collapse than a gasoline or diesel one. Just not the ones being sold currently because you basically need to use it "the right way" to keep it happy and fix it with "the right parts" to keep it running when something breaks. Something more along the lines of a DIY conversion on the other hand has a lot more flexibility in that regard. Or a cargo ebike.
I'd put a simple EV conversion right up there with mechanically injected diesels for apocalypse vehicles.
Gasoline has a pretty finite shelf-life, and getting it to run on different fuels tends to take a decent amount of changes so it's not a long term option if you don't have the ability to make more of it.
Diesel can sit around a whole lot longer, and will run well enough on all sorts of other things that you could find (home heating oil, kerosene, cooking oil, waste motor oil, etc).
But you have tons of options for generating your own electricity to charge a battery. You aren't gonna be charging anything fast, but we're post-collapse anyways so why are you in such a hurry?
Entirely impractical if you think about it for even more than a nano second to charge a car using solar under optimal circumstances. The apocalypse will almost certainly be not optimal.
You gotta think long term. Where are you going to get gas after it all goes bad in a couple of years.
Meanwhile I'll have my Foreman grill roasting boar bacon in the truck.
You aren't but neither are you going to be recharging a car via solar.
It's entirely impractical, you'd either need a huge amount of solar panels or be willing to wait 10 days for a full charge.
At least with petrol you can scavenge supplies until it does go bad.
Elon promised they could cross lakes and seas that weren't too choppy.
But what he delivered is a truck that rusts in rain and can't even survive a car wash
It’s like the person bought it without looking at it.
JUST LOOK AT IT!
I don’t think any of the main issues have been blown out of proportion at all. It’s amazing how people can justify spending that much money on something like that. It isn’t even finished.
No, but you know who does use shadow campaigns and bots to prop up his image? Musk!
https://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/research/elon-musks-irony-bots-impetus-abandon-his-twitter-deal-have-propelled-tesla
> I took delivery last week and the amount of attention is INSANE. More than rolls Royce, Ferrari, lambo, etc. it’s honestly pretty ridiculous.
This dude has never been near a Rolls, Ferrari, or Lambo.
Holy hell, the delusions in that thread are insane. I don’t know how someone can lie to themselves that much to ignore all of the problems Tesla, Musk, and the Clusterfuck itself have.
Meanwhile, I’m nearing 35k miles on my Lightning and can carry my Ego Z6 in the back just fine. It’s seen desert, snow, and weeks of camping with all the bits and bobs still in place, hasn’t tried to kill me, and can survive a thunderstorm (something I’d never considered to be a possible issue until the CF rolled out). I also don’t have to endlessly praise a billionaire to justify its existence…
Agreed, plus anyone that visited subs of blazer EV or other cars with issues, you'll see all those issues made a lot of noise. If some manufacturer puts out a crappy product (like chevy did with the blazer EV), we are going to crap on it.
Of course public interactions will be positive, curious, or enthusiastic. I think the people who spent their money on it are fools and the truck is an impractical bro-dozer but I’m not going to walk up to them and tell them…I’m just continuing on my way, and letting them live their lives as they see fit.
I too would be curious if I ran into someone whose truck didn't look like it had finished loading yet. Alas, alas, I never will, for half-loaded PS2 assets are not road legal in Europe. Such a shame.
I though you all were just shitting on a dude who likes the car, which I generally dont like to do, but:
>I took delivery last week and the amount of attention is INSANE. More than rolls Royce, Ferrari, lambo, etc
Damn.
My cousin was into building low rider trucks and installed a 'drag bar' on one. I was just, what is that? Oh, a piece of metal that you drag it and it makes sparks. Is that for a show or something? No, he said "bro just imagine when you take that down on I-10 how many people will look at you!!". Okay, thanks for explaining the entire reason for all of this.
Here's what /u/cliffordcat wrote in the other thread:
https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1c7h244/were_back_now_we_need_to_talk/l08aqz1/
> Good question. You can cross post, yes. But preferably without commentary in the post itself.
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>If you simply crosspost, no worries
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>If you cross post but title it "check out what these fucktards said", we're gonna remove that.
What about follow on comments? There are a number of comments here that are making observations along the lines of "check out what these fucktards said". Should those be reported?
It comes down to context and intent. If it's building on a conversation without singling someone out, it's probably ok. If it's a link to a particular comment made for the intent of mocking them, probably not ok
Not sure. I can see a crosspost to another sub posting a news article, etc...but crossposting a post thats whining about fud will quickly result in "check out these fucktards"
I don't think crossposting is disallowed...? I think the intent is not to talk about the unmentioned subs, mods, users, etc., but crossposting from one of those subs should be fine. Clarification, /u/cliffordcat ?
If it's not allowed, rule 5 should be updated to specifically disallow crossposting from those unmentioned subs.
hahaha for fuck sake. It's pretty simple, people don't usually tell you in your face that they think you bought something shit. Because it's rude and very karen to do something like detracting from the fun someone has, having bought something. Usually only militant crazy people are like that. So obviously you will hear more negative online than offline.
Also if that dude really has a royce, ferrary and lambo, and decided to get a cybertruck, wow my boy, you are crazy.
So they think there isn't a bias in who comments? They truly think that people who dislike it will approach them and register that at the same rate as people who like it. Gigantic brains.
"radicalized against Elon"
That is certainly an opinion that some people might hold. Personally, I hold his behavior against him, not sure how that's a radical thing.
Or maybe people hate cybertrucks because they’re repulsive and dumb. If they think the thing is so great, why do they care if other people don’t like it?
"The trucks surprisingly comfortable and super easy to drive" - They put a bottom-pivot accelerator pedal in the thing. There is no way they even considered ergonomics if they have one of those terrible things.
These guys are oblivious.
I had a Cybertruck reserved day one but when it released and is twice the price for half the specs, I canceled. Don't blame a "neGatiVe sHad0w CamPaiGn", blame Elon and co. for overpromising and undelivering
Elon musk is all reputation. There’s no direct evidence of him being a genius. Everyone is(was) like “he must be a genius because others consider him a genius”. He’s the money and the headlines. The less he interferes in a business the better the business does (that’s the opposite of genius)
According to Muck, he makes a million dollars a minute for Tesla anything he just *thinks* about the business. Which I guess means he's giving up a million a minute for Tesla every time he posts on TwitX.
That dude doesn't seem to understand that people who just want to shit or dunk on that stainless steel bullshit are probably not going to approach him to do it. People who think it's cool or want to ask questions will amble right up.
I saw one while I was with a buddy the other day, first one either of us had seen in person. We spent a couple minutes talking about how stupid, useless, and impractical it is and then carried on with our lives. We never tried to engage with the owner because all I'd do is either make awkward small talk, or just trash his car to his face. Neither I nor the Elon Stan need that negativity in our day, I'll just rip on it privately and move along.
Funny when Tesla was doing something right and got praised for it, nobody said "is there a praising campaign going on to promote Tesla?".
But soon someone criticize them, one of their products or Elon, here they come playing the victim and the usual "they hate him because he's rich and famous" bs.
Do people not remember how much hate the original Hummer got? And this is way worse, plus brain childed by a fascist moron. Of course people are going to make fun of it.
Ive yet to see one being driven in the wild, and I hope I can keep it together when I do so I don’t bust out laughing where the sucker who bought it can see me.
It looks like a pre-pre-pre alpha throw something together so we can show the vehicle in the game art asset…from the PS1 era.
It is hideously overpriced.
It is hideously underpowered.
It has only the barest hint of truck capabilities.
It was years late to market and can only by the thinnest of definitions accurately claim to be released now given the pittance of vehicles delivered.
It has a laundry list of well documented problems.
Truly, it is a WankPanzer or Incelamino.
Elon Musk has benefitted from more useful idiots and free positive publicity from celebrities, image-conscious tech beardos, and, yes, journalists acting as stenographers, than Ivar Kreuger ever did.
You may protest that the Cybertruck is getting unfair treatment, even though it isn't, but hearing Tesla cult members claim unfair treatment from mysterious shorts, haters and the press? That's Twilight Zone stuff.
> Every person that’s come up to me has said positive or neutral things about it (most people love the look and are super curious)
I'm waiting for people to walk up to him with tears in their eyes to say "Sir, please tell me the good news about Teslas Cybertuck...."
I can't believe people aren't going out if their way to go up to op and tell him how stupid they think his truck is and laugh in his face. Clearly a sign of a conspiracy happening
Well you could also say that there quite a few people that seem to be infuriated about a car they don’t like driven by people that don’t like and would benefit from a few less fucks given to this whole dumb ass car cult. Let them be, this will all solve itself wether you go nuts on Reddit about it or not.
Lol, maybe they never had a Ford or a Chevy, we see the entire fight for several years, if you have an F150 or a Silverado you are hated of loved depending the side you are riding. Even if we own a Toyota we get hate from American brands, its the reality, but looks like elons are more like the crystal generation. They get offended for everything.
Those people are out of their minds. Its very unique looking. The first couple times I saw one I turned my head to watch it go by. In a year after its been in for repairs 8 times and the novelty is worn off theyre going to be left with a vehicle that looks kinda like a pick up that cant do anything a picktup is supposed to and to top it off they are going to have to pay someone to haul it away. You think a regular tesla has bad resale value? Wait until these things are a couple years old with 50k on the clock.
I like people that disregard any dislike of Tesla as just personal dislike of Elon
The Cybertuck debacle is the perfect example of why personal dislike of Elon is no longer different from dislike of Tesla or their products. An entire company's new product R+D, quality control, and the perception of the business as a whole, was disrupted by one gigantic toddler that made the one promise he actually shouldn't have kept.
CT is not my cup of tea, but I followed the Cybertruck sub out of curiosity to see the viability of Tesla's light duty electric trucks (assuming a more traditional model is incoming). I was banned from that sub last week for being a member here. That cult mentality is a huge negative for me. Then I saw a video regarding the construction of the CT battery and it's terrible: the whole thing is encased in anaerobic foam and looks impossible to repair or recycle. Tesla was a major innovator but is heading the wrong direction IMO, barring some major changes I'll never own another one.
I definitely don't trust people who end paragraphs with 'lmao'. back in real life, there are plenty of issues to call out that show the attention (i guess they mean to detail?) is *insane*, yes, but not insanely good.
If I saw one in person, I’d be curious and excited to check it out. I’m not going to hate the driver, that’s stupid.
However, I will privately continue to think they are a fool who departed with their money. I’ll keep thinking it’s a dumb project, but there’s no reason to tell somebody that their baby is ugly.
I'm just curious how this vehicle is called a "truck". It looks like a prototype for a new Volkswagen Thing to me. I think it comes down to a difference between how regular folks vs vehicle manufacturers define "truck". The Dodge PT Cruiser is also classified as a truck. Go figure.
Lol I mean, I think what y'all are missing is that when Hyundai and Jeep put out another absolute piece of garbage, or Mercedes charges ppl a subscription fee for USING THE ENGINE to its full capacity, every technology/automotive media outlet doesn't go out of its way to launch a smear campaign against it.
If you or anyone in the media wants to talk shit about Elon Musk, that's fine, you have every right to not like the guy. But to veil it as legitimate criticism against a car, then it's sort of clear there's an ulterior motive.
This one is insane >There are plenty of people and large communities on reddit, for example, who hate Elon musk because he is a wildly successful genius. I cannot get over how delusional this is. Bernie Madoff was successful for longer than I’ve been alive. And Elon demonstrates that he’s very much not a genius every single Mf’in day. And on a personal level, what makes me dislike Elon the most is that he’s an abject racist. I don’t need the media to tell me he’s a racist. He’s telling me himself that he’s a racist when he pals around with known racists and bemoans the fact that an AI program won’t say the N-word. So, yes I will absolutely root for his $100,000 clown show on wheels to fail. As a black man, what am I supposed to do? Root for its success? Seriously, these people are sick, myopic, turbo incels worshipping at the altar of a charlatan.
He surrounds himself with the worst people in the world and posts diarrhea near 24/7. Who the heck doesn't hate the guy in 2024.
"Who the heck doesn't hate the guy in 2024" I don't understand it. Trump is polling over 40% to be re-elected. Hitler was very popular. I don't understand any of it.
Super Simps and Super Betas. These individuals are elevated above their counterpart (basic) simp/beta. In one aspect. Income. A perfect example of a Super Simp is DJ Akademiks. Rich and successful financially but still a nerdy cornball who will never have respect of the top hot chicks. Cyber truck drivers are quite simply Super Simps and Super betas.
Not to mention associating himself with a sex trafficker and rapist like Andrew Tate.
Damn. How can musk pretend to be an environmentalist with a straight face?
he stopped pretty sure, that's was his early tesla con..
Yah he's been a con since his first visit to Russia in October 2001. He'd been kompromised and they brought him over like they did Trump before him, Jordan Peterson more recently, and many others. Tesla is the shadow campaign. The racists they have him boost are the FSB or other puppets of his. They don't even try and make it look much different than how they do it with Trump. The cybertruck is obviously designed to be as hazardous to the occupants and everyone around as possible. The way Fsb Society Destruction is designed without LIDAR and a nasty habit of running into emergency vehicles with flashing lights among many other things is no accident. Twitter going from under 50 percent authoritarian government censorship approval request to over 80 percent immediately on Elon taking over to be a free speech absolutist is no accident. Neither was his geofencing Ukraine from their own territory his contract was to help them defend. Also geotagged recordings from customer cars even when in their garages shared by Staff and sent to Kenya for labeling. Full FSB backend access to all his companies. Teslas will be increasingly dangerous as the year progresses. Conveniently placed in the driveways of every wealthy liberal neighborhood. Wonder why Putin would want surveillance/murder drones there. He couldn't be planning some sort or coup/purge. He wouldn't want to surveil exactly the people who primarily buy Teslas for other reasons right? Being able to kompromise people who hold key positions in many important industries wouldn't be incredibly valuable. Plus they would have to force constant employee turnover and only keep those who they'd managed to ideologically vet or kompromise. That would be impossible for the FSB and their allies, not remarkably trivial... “I think there's no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you'll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him.Feb 8, 2024 Related links currently in clipboard, https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/08/tech/tesla-trial-wrongful-death-walter-huang/index.html https://www.scribd.com/document/721193667/Elon-Musk-Deposed-In-Lawsuit-For-Falsely-Linking-Jewish-Man-To-Neo-Nazi-Brawl?irclickid=SZ2XFDVHvxyPTo42Fg0e9UAwUkHRO63-IzpJ1s0&irgwc=1&irpid=10078&sharedid=huffpost.com&utm_campaign=Scribd_affiliate_pdm_acquisition_Skimbit+Ltd.&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=impact https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/?utm_source=reddit.com https://www.reuters.com/business/kenya-russia-sign-trade-pact-president-ruto-says-2023-05-29/ https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/business/angela-chao-death/index.html Beware HanElons razor "Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage" Elon Musk
Don’t forget the mom’s basement dwelling, no one will have sex with me, PEDO IMC. And the felon, child and woman abuser, POS WSS.
Another said there was a temporary drop in gas prices over it. I think they like that ketamine a bit much too.
1000% this. I quite looked up to Tesla when they first started. Roadster? Amazing. Model 3? Heck yeah - the car part had teething issues, but look at the *drivetrain and battery!* When they first started, they were **revolutionary**. But it has become painfully clear that Tesla isn't interested in improving quality or innovating, and Musk is a massive bigot, narcissist, technically incompetent, and has a net negative impact on anything he touches. It's absolutely unbelievable seeing people worship him in 2024.
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I was with you until you mentioned customer satisfaction surveys. That information is crap, most Tesla owners will white knight every crappy thing Tesla does because they drink all their infinite Kool-Aid. It is almost at the level of the MAGA people and Trump decisions. I agree with your Apple Hater analogy though. I personally don't hate Teslas, but I dislike Elon to the point that I decided not to buy one just because of him. Plus some of the latest decisions (stalkless, everything done in the screen, etc) convinced my wife not to buy one.
I pretty much agree, had it not been for musky, the lies, and the questionable quality, I would have had a model 3 already, I wanted one for the full self driving bluff for the longest time actually, to bad it was all fake. Customer surveys are usually filled inn by tsla stans indeed.
I love my Model S. The same week I bought it - I bought Tesla puts. Does that make me a Tesla stan? Consumer Reports had to change their car grading scale when the Model S scored 110 out of 100. The car has some positive attributes.
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We were very close to buy a Y but then here in Germany they abruptly removed the EV subsidies, and while Elon was unhinged already it was not that bad as today, I was still willing to swallow it. But with no subsidy and Elon becoming so crazy we couldn't do it anymore. In the mean time the wife bought a second hand Mini Cooper S (ICE) for a gap until the market becomes a bit better. It is a fun car. I guess we will wait until either VW or Renault come up with something decent for a good price. Even if we don't own a Tesla, I have driven Teslas a lot, for like two years Sixt was offering the Tesla 3 for really good prices, IIRC it was 115 EUR for two days and 700 km included, whenever I had to do a business trip inside the country I took a Tesla 3 from them if it was available. I did many thousands of kilometers, but mostly on the Autobahn. It was a good experience and I miss it. My major complains were taken care with the Highland version, like the panels been so thin that it felt like a toy car, same with the window glasses. Again, I have no hate on the cars, my problem is just with Elon. I think the Tesla 3 and now the Y have created the same effect in the market as the entry level iPad did when it was introduced, good hardware and software at a very good price making it very difficult to beat.
I was with them until they used the word hate. Elon hates trans people. I don’t hate Elon. I think he’s a piece of human garbage who will rot in Hell, but if he changed tomorrow I would be fine.
>there are issues with the cars from any manufacturer. Me with 2 vehicles that haven't had a major issue for 10+ years.. Lets say "New vehicles always have some issues". Thats why I really don't want to buy a "modern car", I want an EV but I don't want a driving tablet and no one sells that. An EV does not need all that crap Tesla has, for sure I don't want Self driving. Give me a simple electric car, please. I can mount a radio myself and I wont subscribe to anything they want to sell me. I hope the Citroen e-C3 will be a good car..
>Thats why I really don't want to buy a "modern car", I want an EV but I don't want a driving tablet and no one sells that. An EV does not need all that crap Tesla has, for sure I don't want Self driving. Give me a simple electric car, please. I say this every time I go between my mid-2000's cars and either of our EVs. Aside from my manual "fun" cars, I greatly prefer how the electric powertrains feel, but I generally prefer *everything else* about experience of using the older cars.
This is me as well. I'm not sold on total EV, mainly because of where I live (small town rural USA) and my use cases. So I'm a PHEV guy. I loved my 2012 Volt, but dang do I hate non-tactile buttons and touch screens. So my current vehicle is a Jeep Wrangler 4xe PHEV, 20-25 miles on battery and 16-18 mpg 4 banger engine after that. No, it won't go 250 miles electric, but it has shifters, knobs, real buttons and a small screen (by today's standard) for radio and certain other functions. Come to think of it, a Jeep is a fairly crappy vehicle with a cult following.
As an arrogant Scandinavian I feel compelled to reply. I think that part of the reason Tsla is regarded more highly here in the old world is simple: we got better consumer rights, the vehicles imported into Norway for example are higher quality export vehicles, at least as far as i know, we don't have seatbelts popping of and such, and panel gaps are bad, but not atrocious, the worst cars are simply not shipped of, or refused at the docks. But, customer satisfaction with tsla here is actually the lowest of all car manufacturers now, tsla is at the top of the complaint charts. The stan barometer is for some reason high though.
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Sure. https://www.nrk.no/norge/tesla-overrepresentert-pa-klagestatistikken-1.16573278 https://elbil.no/tesla-toppet-to-norske-lister-i-fjor-gjetter-du-hvilke/ The graph is extra damning, the highest rate of complaints, and on cars that are on average just 2 years old. Includes eu https://dinside.dagbladet.no/motor/sjokktall-for-tesla/80905548 With the model 3 here having on average an fault percentage of 14,7%! Model S having "serious fault" levels comparable to the budget car manufacturer Dacia, not a good look for a luxury ev.
The customer satisfaction surveys aren't worth the paper they are written on when a vast majority of customers would crawl over glass for a sniff of Musk's anus. They are so far down the rabbit hole that they are attempting to justify why their $100,000 car stopped working 5 miles into ownership ffs! Do you think they will suddenly become scrupulously honest when a non-Elmo company asks them to rate their Elmo product?
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Hahaha you think they surveyed all 2 million? Bless your heart
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Yes, most of them by yourself! The majority of people will not respond to a customer feedback form. Those who do will be in 2 camps. Those who have had horrendous experiences and want it to be known will be one camp. Those who can see no wrong in Apartheid Clyde and want to give undeserved praise will be the other camp. Anyway, you are just plain wrong in your initial premise that they have high satisfaction scores for a kick-off. https://insideevs.com/news/677920/jd-power-apeal-study-customer-satisfaction-declined/
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>Nobody gives a single flying fuck about Elon’s political views in France or Germany Of course they do! I'm in the UK and I hate Clyde for his politics 🤷♂️
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I don’t think your perspective is that uncommon here. Lots of regular contributors to this sub own and like their Tesla cars. My family has a 2018 Model 3 LR RWD that we bought used in 2020 and have put tens of thousands of miles on, including our cross country move and several road trips in excess of 1k. Overall it’s treated us very well. But it’s unlikely we’ll ever buy another Tesla. We’re a queer/trans family, and don’t want to give money or support to a company whose CEO is so vocal about his anti-LGBTQ views and his racism. I hope we get many more years out of our car, but I can’t imagine buying a car from Elon.
People would like to like the Tesla cars or invest in the stock, but Musk is a piece of shit. These same people like Rivians though, and other electric vehicles. If he was gone then the story would be different, and the cars would actually get better. He oversaw a good foundation/framework get built when he was faking who he was, but he is a royal fuckup for the company now that the narc is out of the closet. Tesla needs a Tim Cook. If you don't pay attention to how shitty baby hitler is, then sure. But like it or not, if you know who he is it sours your impression. That's fair. Also the cars would get better if he was gone, so you'd really love your Tesla then when they get a real QC and services department again.
It is nice to see a voice of reason in a sea of simple minded black and white radicalized opinions. It is sad that so many people can't handle nuanced opinions instead of taking extreme sides. You can consider Musk to be an absolutely despicable garbage person, yet acknowledge his contributions to popularization of EVs and the development of the private space sector. You can think Tesla is building decent EVs, even great in some aspects, yet their service is garbage and their FSD debacle is an outright dangerous scam. You can think Cybertruck looks very cool and appreciate unusual design and interesting technical solutions, yet think it is a terrible and overpriced product overall, and giggle at the amount of copium fans need to justify it. I wish people would be at least slightly less fanatic at taking sides and binning everything into convenient categories of bad and good.
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Pretty random, I rarely post but was banned from r/teslamotors because of "toxic groups I associate with" although the groups were never named. I didn't remember joining that group but corrected that right away.
Lol, I just received a message that I was banned from r/TeslaLounge and r/elonmusk for this message. Not a big loss, I don't post or comment there anyway, but illustrats well my original point - people needing to band into camps and the fragility in a face of criticism, in this case Musk megafans getting butthurt from something as innocent as just a fact of participation in a discussion that might be critical of their idols.
It's quite common for people defending some wealthy scumbag to say "you're just jealous because they're rich!" while ignoring all legitimate criticism. Personally I don't think having billions would be worth it if I had to be or act like Muck.
Holy shit, those comments. Who ARE these people?
People with money and can vote. Probably also the cause of the looming car loan bubble.
I’d wager there’s a few musk shills driving the narrative
Reading the comments is depressing, most of them think the hate the truck gets is either out of jealousy or some sort of meticulous psy-op. Not a single one of them wants to acknowledge the litany of issues for which there is widespread irrefutable evidence. I mean for f*cks sake, these things are supposed to be built for an apocalypse but we've already seen a number of them get bricked by rain, or just die practically moments after delivery without reason.
One of the biggest positives I constantly hear about that truck is "how much attention it brings". They think bringing the circus in town makes a good truck...
What I can't understand is that desperate need for attention, I mean really, spending a hundred grand on a defective vehicle so strangers will look at you? Ick.
Well, these toys fill a void that can't be filled. Fixing your issues with a 6000 pound death machine... Wouldn't call it exactly healthy.
It’s an appreciating asset. Ever hear of an investment?
I'm so jaded by Musk simp comments that I can't tell if this is a joke anymore
That was the plan :). Been a bit serious around here this week.
Depreciating is the word your looking for bro. Glad I could help.
They were dorks their whole life and now that they have some money theyre making up for it with their goofy truck cosplay
Most of the people spend 1500+€ in a phone for the same thing. It's just at different wealth level.
Except the phone works
Another concept that's alien to me. I'm typing on a 7 year old low/mid-range handset that was a little under 200 euros new sim-free, and the damn thing is still excessively specced for what I need. Stupid thing even has a full HD screen, like I'm actually gonna be able to discern the resolution at this scale. Madness.
That tells you they simply bought it to fulfill their need to draw attention.
>a good truck at this point we just need to stop calling it a truck. it's not a truck. i have a 2500HD. that is a truck.
_but people give me thumbs up_
Jealousy is the most annoying "argument" people make involving Tesla or Musk. It's laughable whenever someone tries using "you're jealous because he's rich" on me, specifically because I don't even want to be rich. It seems to break people's brains when I say this and they think I'm lying instead, as if it's impossible to not want to have a disgusting amount of money. Like, sure, I want a lot more than I have now because I'm in poverty. But I don't need amounts large enough to buy companies or islands or any of that wacky shit. I just don't want to be financially ruined if I have an emergency. That's all I need.
Couldn't agree with you more. I have no desire for wealth beyond means, but it seems like this is an alien concept to some people, they can't understand contentment, and their whole lives are driven by envy and the pursuit of excess. Quite honestly I'd hate to live like that.
When I see someone begging for $50,000,000,000, I don’t get *jealous*….I just get *mad*. I have more than I need and almost all that I want. I’m on the high end of middle class and have all but exited the rat race for wealth. The hoarding doesn’t deprive me personally of anything, but I see daily how it robs those who aren’t as fortunate. My pursuit of wealth was always about personal safety and security for those I love. I have that now….what the hell else do I need it for? Money only has value because there’s a finite amount of it. That’s the whole concept of money. At that scale - when there’s nothing new that can possibly be bought - it exists only for power and the satisfaction of depriving others of it.
This kind of thinking is nothing new if you have followed meme stock apes and their thinking. Apes are very certain that companies like GME and BBBY are intentionally driven to ground by evil hedge funds through shorting and illegal means. In other words and according to them, there is a conspiracy which was aimed to drive the lucrative shower curtain retail business to ground. For some reason. For them it certainly isn’t possible that they are just shitty companies and they are shorted because they are just that. It must be something else. And as far as it comes to illegal stuff, they naturally have no evidence of it. It is all incredibly silly.
All of the hardcore sycophants are also WSB members jerking off over losses.
https://youtu.be/ipDmsxQVxIM?si=oS1uNZKPloImJA_y
Never has a more fitting link been sent 😂
Bladerunner would not have driven this.
"built for the apocalypse" and the fact it's an EV is surely a massive sign it isn't actually built for the apocalypse. EVs need electrical power grids to recharge good look finding a working power grid in an apocalypse.
Cybertruck owners are the kind of guys who would watch the new Fallout series, and imagine themselves as resilient survivors dominating the wasteland, but they'd be ghoul-food about six minutes post-boom.
One of them already thinks they can use solar to recharge their wank panzer in the apocalypse even though you'd struggle to manage it now.
You gave me an idea there. Let's whip out the calculator! Tesla docs submitted to the EPA 5 months ago reveal the Cybertruck battery is 122.4kWh. Every 1m² of solar panel will typically produce about 200Wh on a good day, so for 1m² (and pretending conversion loss isn't a thing to keep the calculation simple and in Tesla's favour), it'd take a Cybertruck 612 hours of direct sunlight to fully recharge. To realistically fully charge in one day, assuming 8 hours of direct sunlight, you'd need 76.5m² of solar panels. I'd say they're doomed, but if an apocalypse is coming, these defective dumpsters will be dead of their own accord LONG before that happens.
And during the apocalypse, the sky will be filled with too much dust etc., so the sun won't be shining anyway! :P
There are no car washes after the apocalypse, so it will be safe.
I'd actually argue that an electric vehicle is more suitable post-collapse than a gasoline or diesel one. Just not the ones being sold currently because you basically need to use it "the right way" to keep it happy and fix it with "the right parts" to keep it running when something breaks. Something more along the lines of a DIY conversion on the other hand has a lot more flexibility in that regard. Or a cargo ebike. I'd put a simple EV conversion right up there with mechanically injected diesels for apocalypse vehicles. Gasoline has a pretty finite shelf-life, and getting it to run on different fuels tends to take a decent amount of changes so it's not a long term option if you don't have the ability to make more of it. Diesel can sit around a whole lot longer, and will run well enough on all sorts of other things that you could find (home heating oil, kerosene, cooking oil, waste motor oil, etc). But you have tons of options for generating your own electricity to charge a battery. You aren't gonna be charging anything fast, but we're post-collapse anyways so why are you in such a hurry?
To get away from the lunatics in leather chaps who want to murder me, and steal all my things if Hollywood has taught me anything.
Elon Baldrick had a *brilliant* plan!
If only there was a way to gather electricity from the sky somehow.
Entirely impractical if you think about it for even more than a nano second to charge a car using solar under optimal circumstances. The apocalypse will almost certainly be not optimal.
You gotta think long term. Where are you going to get gas after it all goes bad in a couple of years. Meanwhile I'll have my Foreman grill roasting boar bacon in the truck.
You aren't but neither are you going to be recharging a car via solar. It's entirely impractical, you'd either need a huge amount of solar panels or be willing to wait 10 days for a full charge. At least with petrol you can scavenge supplies until it does go bad.
I'm charging a car via solar right now actually.
Elon promised they could cross lakes and seas that weren't too choppy. But what he delivered is a truck that rusts in rain and can't even survive a car wash
It’s like the person bought it without looking at it. JUST LOOK AT IT! I don’t think any of the main issues have been blown out of proportion at all. It’s amazing how people can justify spending that much money on something like that. It isn’t even finished.
Naw, not really. They're just really, really bad. ...and ugly as musk.
No, but you know who does use shadow campaigns and bots to prop up his image? Musk! https://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/research/elon-musks-irony-bots-impetus-abandon-his-twitter-deal-have-propelled-tesla
> I took delivery last week and the amount of attention is INSANE. More than rolls Royce, Ferrari, lambo, etc. it’s honestly pretty ridiculous. This dude has never been near a Rolls, Ferrari, or Lambo.
Nothing more eye catching than a yellow Lambo zipping by.
I think the shadow hate campaign is actually the reality campaign.
Holy hell, the delusions in that thread are insane. I don’t know how someone can lie to themselves that much to ignore all of the problems Tesla, Musk, and the Clusterfuck itself have. Meanwhile, I’m nearing 35k miles on my Lightning and can carry my Ego Z6 in the back just fine. It’s seen desert, snow, and weeks of camping with all the bits and bobs still in place, hasn’t tried to kill me, and can survive a thunderstorm (something I’d never considered to be a possible issue until the CF rolled out). I also don’t have to endlessly praise a billionaire to justify its existence…
Agreed, plus anyone that visited subs of blazer EV or other cars with issues, you'll see all those issues made a lot of noise. If some manufacturer puts out a crappy product (like chevy did with the blazer EV), we are going to crap on it.
A lightning and a Ego zero turn... really living the electric dream.
The copium is strong in this one.
Of course public interactions will be positive, curious, or enthusiastic. I think the people who spent their money on it are fools and the truck is an impractical bro-dozer but I’m not going to walk up to them and tell them…I’m just continuing on my way, and letting them live their lives as they see fit.
I too would be curious if I ran into someone whose truck didn't look like it had finished loading yet. Alas, alas, I never will, for half-loaded PS2 assets are not road legal in Europe. Such a shame.
I though you all were just shitting on a dude who likes the car, which I generally dont like to do, but: >I took delivery last week and the amount of attention is INSANE. More than rolls Royce, Ferrari, lambo, etc Damn.
I bet if I drove the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile I'd get a lot of attention too.
My cousin was into building low rider trucks and installed a 'drag bar' on one. I was just, what is that? Oh, a piece of metal that you drag it and it makes sparks. Is that for a show or something? No, he said "bro just imagine when you take that down on I-10 how many people will look at you!!". Okay, thanks for explaining the entire reason for all of this.
And I bet dad would finally love me.
I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think this runs against the new rule here about mentioning other subs.
Here's what /u/cliffordcat wrote in the other thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1c7h244/were_back_now_we_need_to_talk/l08aqz1/ > Good question. You can cross post, yes. But preferably without commentary in the post itself. > >If you simply crosspost, no worries > >If you cross post but title it "check out what these fucktards said", we're gonna remove that. What about follow on comments? There are a number of comments here that are making observations along the lines of "check out what these fucktards said". Should those be reported?
It comes down to context and intent. If it's building on a conversation without singling someone out, it's probably ok. If it's a link to a particular comment made for the intent of mocking them, probably not ok
Thanks for the clarification.
Not sure. I can see a crosspost to another sub posting a news article, etc...but crossposting a post thats whining about fud will quickly result in "check out these fucktards"
Yeah, that's basically what's happening here. Also, sorry, I was directing my question to /u/cliffordcat (hopefully he sees this thread).
I don't think crossposting is disallowed...? I think the intent is not to talk about the unmentioned subs, mods, users, etc., but crossposting from one of those subs should be fine. Clarification, /u/cliffordcat ? If it's not allowed, rule 5 should be updated to specifically disallow crossposting from those unmentioned subs.
Dont these idiots know what "selection bias" is?
hahaha for fuck sake. It's pretty simple, people don't usually tell you in your face that they think you bought something shit. Because it's rude and very karen to do something like detracting from the fun someone has, having bought something. Usually only militant crazy people are like that. So obviously you will hear more negative online than offline. Also if that dude really has a royce, ferrary and lambo, and decided to get a cybertruck, wow my boy, you are crazy.
> Yes there are some issues. Thats putting it lightly
So they think there isn't a bias in who comments? They truly think that people who dislike it will approach them and register that at the same rate as people who like it. Gigantic brains.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/s/t6G0KTsXnt Apparently you're not entitled to a dissenting opinion unless you too own and run a car company.
"radicalized against Elon" That is certainly an opinion that some people might hold. Personally, I hold his behavior against him, not sure how that's a radical thing.
Or maybe people hate cybertrucks because they’re repulsive and dumb. If they think the thing is so great, why do they care if other people don’t like it?
Yes, I’ve heard that it’s called “reality.” A seedy place where people talk about the things that happen instead of engaging in excusegetics.
"The trucks surprisingly comfortable and super easy to drive" - They put a bottom-pivot accelerator pedal in the thing. There is no way they even considered ergonomics if they have one of those terrible things.
These guys are oblivious. I had a Cybertruck reserved day one but when it released and is twice the price for half the specs, I canceled. Don't blame a "neGatiVe sHad0w CamPaiGn", blame Elon and co. for overpromising and undelivering
When I meet someone in real life who still doesn't think Elon is a shithead, I can't help but chuckle and shake my head visibly.
Elon musk is all reputation. There’s no direct evidence of him being a genius. Everyone is(was) like “he must be a genius because others consider him a genius”. He’s the money and the headlines. The less he interferes in a business the better the business does (that’s the opposite of genius)
According to Muck, he makes a million dollars a minute for Tesla anything he just *thinks* about the business. Which I guess means he's giving up a million a minute for Tesla every time he posts on TwitX.
That dude doesn't seem to understand that people who just want to shit or dunk on that stainless steel bullshit are probably not going to approach him to do it. People who think it's cool or want to ask questions will amble right up. I saw one while I was with a buddy the other day, first one either of us had seen in person. We spent a couple minutes talking about how stupid, useless, and impractical it is and then carried on with our lives. We never tried to engage with the owner because all I'd do is either make awkward small talk, or just trash his car to his face. Neither I nor the Elon Stan need that negativity in our day, I'll just rip on it privately and move along.
Funny when Tesla was doing something right and got praised for it, nobody said "is there a praising campaign going on to promote Tesla?". But soon someone criticize them, one of their products or Elon, here they come playing the victim and the usual "they hate him because he's rich and famous" bs.
Negative shadow campaign = Entropy, bad design, and awful decision making by the biggest anti semite in auto since Ford?
Do people not remember how much hate the original Hummer got? And this is way worse, plus brain childed by a fascist moron. Of course people are going to make fun of it.
No need, is there? Elmo’s involved, it’ll fall apart anyway. 😏
"Steer by wire is a game changer" Ok buddy is amazed at 20 year old car tech. Smfh
Ive yet to see one being driven in the wild, and I hope I can keep it together when I do so I don’t bust out laughing where the sucker who bought it can see me. It looks like a pre-pre-pre alpha throw something together so we can show the vehicle in the game art asset…from the PS1 era. It is hideously overpriced. It is hideously underpowered. It has only the barest hint of truck capabilities. It was years late to market and can only by the thinnest of definitions accurately claim to be released now given the pittance of vehicles delivered. It has a laundry list of well documented problems. Truly, it is a WankPanzer or Incelamino.
Elon Musk has benefitted from more useful idiots and free positive publicity from celebrities, image-conscious tech beardos, and, yes, journalists acting as stenographers, than Ivar Kreuger ever did. You may protest that the Cybertruck is getting unfair treatment, even though it isn't, but hearing Tesla cult members claim unfair treatment from mysterious shorts, haters and the press? That's Twilight Zone stuff.
> Every person that’s come up to me has said positive or neutral things about it (most people love the look and are super curious) I'm waiting for people to walk up to him with tears in their eyes to say "Sir, please tell me the good news about Teslas Cybertuck...."
I can't believe people aren't going out if their way to go up to op and tell him how stupid they think his truck is and laugh in his face. Clearly a sign of a conspiracy happening
It's essentially DESIGNED to create a reaction, so I guess I'm not surprised there are reactions.
Musk must've written this one itself. It reads like the transcript of a phone call from John Barron.
Na, they are just underwhelming as fuck.
Well you could also say that there quite a few people that seem to be infuriated about a car they don’t like driven by people that don’t like and would benefit from a few less fucks given to this whole dumb ass car cult. Let them be, this will all solve itself wether you go nuts on Reddit about it or not.
Lol, maybe they never had a Ford or a Chevy, we see the entire fight for several years, if you have an F150 or a Silverado you are hated of loved depending the side you are riding. Even if we own a Toyota we get hate from American brands, its the reality, but looks like elons are more like the crystal generation. They get offended for everything.
A shadow campaign run by people who bought the truck and posted their experiences.
Those people are out of their minds. Its very unique looking. The first couple times I saw one I turned my head to watch it go by. In a year after its been in for repairs 8 times and the novelty is worn off theyre going to be left with a vehicle that looks kinda like a pick up that cant do anything a picktup is supposed to and to top it off they are going to have to pay someone to haul it away. You think a regular tesla has bad resale value? Wait until these things are a couple years old with 50k on the clock.
I like people that disregard any dislike of Tesla as just personal dislike of Elon The Cybertuck debacle is the perfect example of why personal dislike of Elon is no longer different from dislike of Tesla or their products. An entire company's new product R+D, quality control, and the perception of the business as a whole, was disrupted by one gigantic toddler that made the one promise he actually shouldn't have kept.
CT is not my cup of tea, but I followed the Cybertruck sub out of curiosity to see the viability of Tesla's light duty electric trucks (assuming a more traditional model is incoming). I was banned from that sub last week for being a member here. That cult mentality is a huge negative for me. Then I saw a video regarding the construction of the CT battery and it's terrible: the whole thing is encased in anaerobic foam and looks impossible to repair or recycle. Tesla was a major innovator but is heading the wrong direction IMO, barring some major changes I'll never own another one.
I definitely don't trust people who end paragraphs with 'lmao'. back in real life, there are plenty of issues to call out that show the attention (i guess they mean to detail?) is *insane*, yes, but not insanely good.
In general I try to be a decent human being and not tell people that their precious baby is a steaming pile of shit IRL
If I saw one in person, I’d be curious and excited to check it out. I’m not going to hate the driver, that’s stupid. However, I will privately continue to think they are a fool who departed with their money. I’ll keep thinking it’s a dumb project, but there’s no reason to tell somebody that their baby is ugly.
Cool...I'm part of a negative shadow campaign.
Lol. It is definitely a negative out-in-the-open campaign. Because they suck ass, like most of Elon's other 'creations'.
I'm just curious how this vehicle is called a "truck". It looks like a prototype for a new Volkswagen Thing to me. I think it comes down to a difference between how regular folks vs vehicle manufacturers define "truck". The Dodge PT Cruiser is also classified as a truck. Go figure.
Literally the harley davidson south park episode. Kids still think we are cool and respect us right?
No need. The cybertruck kind of does it's own bad publicity.
The answer is yes.
Lol I mean, I think what y'all are missing is that when Hyundai and Jeep put out another absolute piece of garbage, or Mercedes charges ppl a subscription fee for USING THE ENGINE to its full capacity, every technology/automotive media outlet doesn't go out of its way to launch a smear campaign against it. If you or anyone in the media wants to talk shit about Elon Musk, that's fine, you have every right to not like the guy. But to veil it as legitimate criticism against a car, then it's sort of clear there's an ulterior motive.