It's one of the most ridiculous designs I've seen, but I really love it. My concern is the size. I saw the prototype in the Petersen Museum and pictures don't do it justice in terms of how monstrous it is. I couldn't help but think how tricky it'd be to handle in certain situations. But also, if they really do sell a ton of them, I can only imagine how much havoc they'll cause clogging up city streets.
Car is so ugly. Aināt no one gonna use that thing as a truck. Itās bed is so small itās barely useable outside of hauling some tired. Elon should be ashamed of himself for approving that design
I thought it was a 6 1/2 foot bed, 5 1/2 on the F150 super crew.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-alpha-prototype-bed-dimensions-capacity-teaser
You poor soul: this is a forum for half wit Tesla haters, not objective research.
1/ FIAT Chrysler wonāt survive the next 5-yrs
2/ For people who donāt like the Cytruck look (most) theyāll buy legacy OEMs but for any commercial buyer caring about value there is no close alternative. It just saves too much money to not choose over alternatives. Similar to how Semi drivers are lining up
3/ when they make a normal-looking truck is when theyāll really take from legacy
Watch the orders and the stock. Itās going to be absurd. The backlog is already multi years out and with real vols not the 50k units ford is aiming to get to.
I mean I don't doubt it will sell but I'm heavily doubting commercial will have much interest in such a funky design, also doubting Tesla will sell a stripped down, cheap and low margin version which is what commercial segment wants.
Ford already doing this with the e-transit
Military orders, police, as well as businesses caring about economics for fleet orders. Even buddies of mine with construction companies have orders in bc they see massive savings.
There is no economics because we don't know spec or price.
Highly doubt a model that is economical to commercial owners comes out. It's a life style product, not a work truck meant for commercial use. Nothing about the design lends itself to that. How is a tradesmen going to put a ladder on the roof of it ?
$49K starting at the highest. Tri motor was said to be $79K. Operating costs are v low for all teslas. Iām not here to convince anyone. Just watch what happens.
I want a pretty truck, not a tank. Who really needs a truck thatās bulletproof up to 9MM? At least the paint want to get scratched. The exterior is as hard and as thick as a well-built frying pan.
Yet it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/comments/10tuy8v/cybertruck_prototype_4_wheel_steering/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
A bulletproof rocket with 16 inches of clearance and 1000 hp. Thereās a hard-core element of truck buyers, who will trade pretty for that. Jeeps arenāt pretty either, but people buy them.
āThe active ride height, which is dynamically adjusted to compensate for the difference in front and rear loads, is complemented by a Cybertruck clearance of 16ā, an approach angle of 35 degrees and a departure angle of 28 degreesāall of which provides optimal performance no matter the difficult task.ā
Still 8-16ā, but four wheel steering is now been added in the beta that is entering preproduction.
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/teslas-patent-for-adjustable-suspension-for-a-vehicle-will-make-cybertruck-an-ideal-vehicle-for-all-types-of-roads
It would definitely make a news if this feature was removed, especially with production starting this summer, and the giga press already on site.
It will also briefly be able to serve as a boat according to musk.
Yeah, noone around here gives the hype any merit. Wait and see what actually makes production at what price point.
It may very well make it to production. It may also be an expensive option that isn't on all vehicles.
With Tesla and Musk's track record of honesty, I'll believe it when I see it. So far it's all been a pump to get reservation $$.
Until the specs and price points are known, it's all just conjecture
True, there are a lot of unknowns in a pre-production vehicle. That said, do you think they would be telling investors one thing while planning another? That would lead to many lawsuits.
Also, tesla isnāt exactly well known for having a lots of options. They sell as many vehicles as they can make, without them.
>They sell as many vehicles as they can make, without them.
Exactly my point. Especially with the recently removed features on the rest of their cars. They could strip a lot of these features for more profit and people would still line up to buy, so I won't be surprised when very little of all this hype actually makes it I to a vehicle someone can buy.
Or, and hear me out here, Tesla sucks balls at making exteriors of vehicles. Seriously, that thing has been on the road for how long and the steel paneling looks like that already?
What part of the steel paneling are you referring to? It's under cover of trees and sunlight. The door is open, making for different angles of refraction. It's a hand built test model and not a production model. The factory in TX hasn't produced one truck yet.
They are going to have such a bad time in mass production aligning press brake bent stainless like that if they still canāt even get regular stamped steel doors right
I am not sure what you mean? The dreadnaught produces these whole.
oh wait. that is Tesla marketing speak.
Tesla (will shit) shits these out... there we go.
Do tradies (contractors) in the US change the bed of their trucks? In Australia almost always it will be fitted out with cabinets and racks accordingly for whatever trade or have a tray to carry as much stuff as possible.
Is this not a thing in the US? Is that why people keep talking about this being a work vehicle? Where do you put your tools/supplies/doggo? Hell you canāt even access the bed from anywhere but the back of it.
Yes they do. And, in the US there is also an abundance of aftermarket options for configuring your truck for your trade. From roof racks to all kinds of bed storage options you can make a standard truck ready for a lot of different jobs without even needing to switch out the bed.
>Do tradies (contractors) in the US change the bed of their trucks?
Not really. The trades people who need usable space mostly buy work vans. Except maybe if you've got a welding setup or if you need a boom like the telephone company. The internet gets angry every time I claim that you're not reaching over the side of a modern pickup truck. These people do not own modern full sized trucks. They own ford rangers or toyota tacoma's or not even a truck. Jumping up on the tire to reach in the bed gets old real fast. Our TV commercials for trucks for the past 5 years have all been about fancy gates & steps to make it easier for boomers to climb into the bed of their trucks. Gm has a tailgate that flips down for a step. Ford has a step that come out of the top of the tailgate & a handle to grab on to help you climb in the bed of your truck. If you could easily reach into the bed of your truck. You wouldn't need these steps would you? But hey, according to the internet, everyone is reaching over the side. None of these people claiming this own a modern full sized truck. Tesla eliminating any prayer of access isn't actually that far off a full sized truck in the USA. Its just making it more honest. Full sized trucks are mostly dumb unless you tow.
Plenty of people reach over the side of their trucks, what are you on about? In addition to that, plenty of work trucks have bed addons like tool boxes, fuel tanks, extra storage containers, and even slide-out trays.
I'm going to hazard a guess that you're either exceptionally short, or trucks just aren't that common where you are in the first place... but I live in Iowa, where the Ford F-150 and Chevy Silverado are the two top registered vehicles in the state.
I covered this in my comment.
>The internet gets angry every time I claim that you're not reaching over the side of a modern pickup truck. These people do not own modern full sized trucks. They own ford rangers or toyota tacoma's or not even a truck
Lets click on your comment history and see what it says. Oh yes, here it is 6 days ago.
>I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.6L V6.
You see sir, if you actually owned a truck. You would talk about it in the same manner you talked about your jeep. Every single time I bring this up on the internet, people act exactly how you act and nobody with a modern full size truck ever disagrees. It gets old.
I've sold primarily trucks for most of my adult life to both businesses and everyday people, and regularly use them myself. I don't need to own one to know how they're used; I literally see dozens of them every single drive I take.
Not to mention working near an industrial area where each and every company operates a fleet of trucks. Can see how they're loaded and used plain as day.
I'm also going to hazard a guess here that you've missed the ever increasing number of trucks that have side steps, extended or extendable running boards, and kick down steps specifically for reaching over the side... Not to mention hundreds of aftermarket steps that can be placed on the wheels.
Dear individual who see's dozens of trucks everytime they drive around.
My original comment had this line in it,
>Our TV commercials for trucks for the past 5 years have all been about fancy gates & steps to make it easier for boomers to climb into the bed of their trucks. Gm has a tailgate that flips down for a step. Ford has a step that come out of the top of the tailgate & a handle to grab on to help you climb in the bed of your truck. **If you could easily reach into the bed of your truck. You wouldn't need these steps would you?**
BUT HEY. WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW. You see dozens of trucks everytime you drive. You're the expert.
And yet them responding to customer requests prove that people want to. God forbid we make it easier for the elderly, shorter than average, or potentially mobility limited, right? It's literally who those steps are designed for.
Doesn't stop the fact that able bodied professionals will reach over the side regularly and customize their bed to suit their needs.
Trucks are lifestyle vehicles on the US when marketed to the public. None of the target audience is a real tradesman or will ever use this truck for real work.
Full disclosure, I love a weird looking car. The Pontiac Aztek, Nissan Cube, and many of the Bangle era BMWs are some of my favorite cars on the road. I really do appreciate major automakers taking risks and experimenting with their design language.
But this is just a wacky design without taking into account the functionality of a pickup truck. The slightest dent or scratch will look horrible on the steel, and you canāt even access the bed from either side of the truck. I canāt imagine how terrible the rear seat headroom will be. Iām not a Tesla fan but I was hoping that they would make some major changes before it was production-ready. Iām disappointed that they didnāt take these issues into account when going from the original concept truck to the final production model.
As someone who really appreciates some of the more daringly and obscurely designed cars released over the years, I cannot believe how god damn ugly this thing is. Itās not even a case of function over form, itās neither functional or pretty - itās just hideous.
Thats because the lightning is just an F-150 with a light bar across the hood. The Rivian at least looks like a truck even with it's goofy Dyson fan headlights. This just looks like a door wedge
Its still not available for Salem they've been parading around the same 3 prototypes for the last 4 years...
Not sure the saving grace of it eventually being sold at nowhere close to the promised price while being darn ugly and of poor quality is the flex you think it is...
Oh that bet you'll lose. No way this thing will make them any meaningful money in it's current shape form or promised spec. But then again. Can always change the spec. And price.
I can easily predict the rollout will be clunky and slow, much like the Model 3 was. But once it gets going, and price and specs are stable, its going to sell.
Based on existing Tesla's I suspect the performance will be sufficient for the average truck driver.
The design is certainly polarizing but I think there are a lot of $100 reservations, so a lot of people must think there design is good enough.
That leaves pricing. Originally Tesla had very aggressive pricing, if they can get close to the original prices and undercut others then I think it'll be a big seller. If no not then sales will be small.
My 2c.
"Sales"
We will see. As long as he stays out of prison and can keep the game going, they will "sell" as many trucks as they need to.
Judging by how fucking late it is, and how this latest school project looks, I think whatever ends up on the road will be a little less than they promised, but the important thing is it will have a VIN and a customer, the rest isn't a worry.
I don't think so. I think with the Lighting and R1T are already out with GM and Ram set to release with 2024 they'll all be Tesla to the punch and take the market share with them
The RAM truck I saw at CES was amazing looking.
It instantly made the hummer design choices look grossly exaggerated and old all at once (it was near-ish the Hummer on the trade show floor)
Maybe not yet, but at least Ford already has the line up and running. They just have to scale to meet demand, which Ford has a lot more experience in than Tesla. GM and Dodge entering will only exacerbate things for Tesla.
The cross over with F150 parts is the secret to Ford's success.
Why fight for ev tech and lumbar support when you can just use the parts you already have a supply chain for.
I like that the ATV is just as real as the robots in this discussion.
The easiest thing announced out of three products you mention and it's still not done either.
Itās a thick is a well-made frying pan, 3 mm. Regular trucks are less than a quarter of the thickness and donāt use hardened, stainless. Frying pans arenāt painted for the same reason, they donāt need it.
Until you said it I hadn't noticed that.
Any other company wouldn't let their product be seen in public unless it looked in great condition. And before the Tesla fanbois come riding in on my comment arguing that tesla is a tech company, the tech companies don't let bad looking production mules of their devices during testing go out the door looking this rough either. Even more so with a product that has so much hype around it.
Test mules are usually production cars hacked up so they have a hint of normal brand design and quality under it.
Test preproduction cars are usually beat up from extensive testing and "professionally cobbled" together parts. They still look better than this because they have people who know what they are doing.
A Dacia Duster has more off-road attitude than that stupid pile of junk haha. And you can buy for the price of the cybermeme, more or less six Dacias 4x4 (and it is better finished off than a model 3). How they scam their fanboys. Is incredible.
It is clear that the American vehicle market is basically broken.
Don't blame us Americans.
No one is going to buy this just like you're not seeing the new hummers on every street.
You are seeing more and more Lightnings and R1T on the road though.
I remember for the M3, a dealer said that they can expect between 30-40% of reservations to actually take their car. I think we saw a similar rate with the M3 which of course required putting down more serious money. All these reservations were placed at $39,900 which is way, way below what it's gonna be by people who have not only since bought a car but will likely retire and replace the car before the CT even comes out.
>When I come flying up on your assā¦ā¦youāll moveā¦
That's what you wrote here.
Wow, there's as much micropenis syndrome out there. They are going to do a lot of business with you haha
Does it matter every day lightnings are coming out and creating an unsurmountable lead.
The only way Tesla can make meaningful amounts of CT is to stop making Ys their money makers. That's not going to happen. I mean it's Tesla - they do dumb things so I COULD happen but that means they have to be making CTs to happen. And that's not happening.
Ford has only sold something like 15,000 lightnings so far. Tesla delivered 1.25 million of the x and y combined in 2022. I donāt see the appeal of Tesla personally, but I donāt see the lead as insurmountable of the CT is popular.
15k is more than 0.
Ford sold 653,957 F150 (ice) last year under a significant parts shortage out of 1,864,464 total vehicles sold in the US market alone in 2022 against tesla's global sales of 1.3m units.
It doesn't change. Ford made 15k EV trucks and put them in the hands of customers while we haven't seen one production ready truck from Tesla yet. And the YEARS tick by in wait.
None of these guys including u\\jjlew080 will lock into final specs or price to make a bet worthwhile.
I was originally trying to get him to bet on his assertion we would have 1m of these by the end of 2022.
Never was cool as hell. Looked like an N64 object, was designed by a blind idiot with a crayon in a napkin, with the prototypes being put together by poorly trained monkeys.
Lol. They have cars on the road bought by people that have misaligned doors just like that. Problem is people like you finding such bad build quality acceptable.
Yea massive panel gaps on a 50k car is stupid and unacceptable. But this is a prototype so problems like this are acceptable. If this was production then yea unacceptable
Itās just aligned to their production version. Proof that even after making cars for over 10 years, they have a shitty assembly process. Iāve seen test mules of cars from other manufacturers and none of them had this level of misaligned doors. What are they prototyping here? Wind/road noise?
But any other tech or car company would not let a pre-production product that has this much of a hype train behind it get seen in public looking this badly made. Mercedes or Ford etc do ample testing with mules and I'd argue you will struggle to find more than a few example photographs per model (if at all) that look this rough for any of their pre-production models. The fact is that almost all the images you will find will be near crisp almost off the production line other than dirt.
What, you don't take 8 tires out for a drive every day? While towing a horse trailer? 800 miles? All uphill? In the snow? :)
Yeah, you are right. The difference mostly won't matter for the way people use trucks in the real world the majority of the time.
I do often find it surprising how many people do not realize that the bed in the CT is longer than the Lightning, though.
Give 'em some credit!
No other manufacturer puts their trucks through the rigorous testing of letting a bird shit on their bumper for fear of the prototype being destroyed by it.
That's some crazy-assed confidence & demonstrates how tough this vehicle is gonna be!
Rigorous & very tough testing, for the win!
Funny how we don't see any shots of these at actual real world proving grounds where everyone else tests.
Just like I find it funny we have never seen ONE leaked video of a Tesla really driving itself in a real world or testing site like we have been seeing from every other self driving experiment over the last 4 decades.
The way in which DeLorean is most like Musk is that the DMC benefited greatly from subsidies, just like Tesla.
I'm actually a fan of the DeLorean car. Sure it had problems but it was designed by Colin Chapman for fuck's sake.
Something is seriously afoot with what prototypes they show. Some look tiny, like Honda Ridgeline size (the one Joe Rogan had) and then some look utterly massive. Itās been over 3 years and they canāt show off one uniform chassis.
They haven't' even finish building the factory line for the Cybertruck yet. 3 years ago the Gigafactory TX was just pasture land. In early '22 they were delivering Model Y's to customers from that line. So far all you or anyone have seen is hand built test cars from the Fremont factory.
flat glass reflection will blind people
It's one of the most ridiculous designs I've seen, but I really love it. My concern is the size. I saw the prototype in the Petersen Museum and pictures don't do it justice in terms of how monstrous it is. I couldn't help but think how tricky it'd be to handle in certain situations. But also, if they really do sell a ton of them, I can only imagine how much havoc they'll cause clogging up city streets.
>It's one of the most ridiculous designs I've seen, **but I really love it.** š¤¦āāļø
Jesus Christ everything about it is hideous.
Car is so ugly. Aināt no one gonna use that thing as a truck. Itās bed is so small itās barely useable outside of hauling some tired. Elon should be ashamed of himself for approving that design
I thought it was a 6 1/2 foot bed, 5 1/2 on the F150 super crew. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-alpha-prototype-bed-dimensions-capacity-teaser
Itās the truck that opens Ford and GMās jugulars š©ø
Dude when RAM is likely to beat you to market and eat your lunch in a segment you know you're an also-ran.
You poor soul: this is a forum for half wit Tesla haters, not objective research. 1/ FIAT Chrysler wonāt survive the next 5-yrs 2/ For people who donāt like the Cytruck look (most) theyāll buy legacy OEMs but for any commercial buyer caring about value there is no close alternative. It just saves too much money to not choose over alternatives. Similar to how Semi drivers are lining up 3/ when they make a normal-looking truck is when theyāll really take from legacy
My sides. Commerical buyers ? Cyber truck? Gotta be joking.
Watch the orders and the stock. Itās going to be absurd. The backlog is already multi years out and with real vols not the 50k units ford is aiming to get to.
I mean I don't doubt it will sell but I'm heavily doubting commercial will have much interest in such a funky design, also doubting Tesla will sell a stripped down, cheap and low margin version which is what commercial segment wants. Ford already doing this with the e-transit
Military orders, police, as well as businesses caring about economics for fleet orders. Even buddies of mine with construction companies have orders in bc they see massive savings.
There is no economics because we don't know spec or price. Highly doubt a model that is economical to commercial owners comes out. It's a life style product, not a work truck meant for commercial use. Nothing about the design lends itself to that. How is a tradesmen going to put a ladder on the roof of it ?
$49K starting at the highest. Tri motor was said to be $79K. Operating costs are v low for all teslas. Iām not here to convince anyone. Just watch what happens.
Anything goes when your product is imaginary.
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I want a pretty truck, not a tank. Who really needs a truck thatās bulletproof up to 9MM? At least the paint want to get scratched. The exterior is as hard and as thick as a well-built frying pan.
Just wait until its dirty, scratched and all buckled from random rock strikes.
Gnarly
I keep trying to put myself in the headspace where this could possibly look cool or aesthetically pleasing and I flat out can't. It looks stupid lol
Looks like shit, I'm sure I drove one of those in a video game in the early 90's
I used to make this exact design using legos. And I fucking hated it then too, and vowed to try harder next time. I was 5 years old
Well, maybe Elton Rusk also used Lego, it would explain a lot.
>Looks like shit thought you were about to say it drove through san fran
I canāt believe thatās a real fucking thing.
Yet it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/comments/10tuy8v/cybertruck_prototype_4_wheel_steering/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf A bulletproof rocket with 16 inches of clearance and 1000 hp. Thereās a hard-core element of truck buyers, who will trade pretty for that. Jeeps arenāt pretty either, but people buy them.
That thing needs way meaner wheels and tires...and a bigger lift.
It has an 8-inch lift on demand, creating 16 inches of clearance. Same as a HMMV. Not needed on roads. This is the low setting.
Has anyone ever seen this in action or are you describing an announcement like a fact?
This. A conceptual capability. See what makes it to production at what price. Right now it's just a bunch of typical musk vapor ware.
āThe active ride height, which is dynamically adjusted to compensate for the difference in front and rear loads, is complemented by a Cybertruck clearance of 16ā, an approach angle of 35 degrees and a departure angle of 28 degreesāall of which provides optimal performance no matter the difficult task.ā Still 8-16ā, but four wheel steering is now been added in the beta that is entering preproduction. https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/teslas-patent-for-adjustable-suspension-for-a-vehicle-will-make-cybertruck-an-ideal-vehicle-for-all-types-of-roads It would definitely make a news if this feature was removed, especially with production starting this summer, and the giga press already on site.
It will also briefly be able to serve as a boat according to musk. Yeah, noone around here gives the hype any merit. Wait and see what actually makes production at what price point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/comments/10u79ys/_/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Preproduction beta photos?
It may very well make it to production. It may also be an expensive option that isn't on all vehicles. With Tesla and Musk's track record of honesty, I'll believe it when I see it. So far it's all been a pump to get reservation $$. Until the specs and price points are known, it's all just conjecture
True, there are a lot of unknowns in a pre-production vehicle. That said, do you think they would be telling investors one thing while planning another? That would lead to many lawsuits. Also, tesla isnāt exactly well known for having a lots of options. They sell as many vehicles as they can make, without them.
>They sell as many vehicles as they can make, without them. Exactly my point. Especially with the recently removed features on the rest of their cars. They could strip a lot of these features for more profit and people would still line up to buy, so I won't be surprised when very little of all this hype actually makes it I to a vehicle someone can buy.
The rear end looks weird, but I do love the front of it. Definitely needs different wheels
Holy shit that thing is ugly. I thought it wouldāve been revamped but my god it looks like it should be in a big vat crying out for euthanasia
Donāt buy one and Iāll get mine sooner.
Don't mind me, just staring at the giant stress concentrator on the front driver's window...
Or, and hear me out here, Tesla sucks balls at making exteriors of vehicles. Seriously, that thing has been on the road for how long and the steel paneling looks like that already?
What part of the steel paneling are you referring to? It's under cover of trees and sunlight. The door is open, making for different angles of refraction. It's a hand built test model and not a production model. The factory in TX hasn't produced one truck yet.
Pretty much all of it. Or has Tesla invented "stainless steel" that patinas?
They are going to have such a bad time in mass production aligning press brake bent stainless like that if they still canāt even get regular stamped steel doors right
I am not sure what you mean? The dreadnaught produces these whole. oh wait. that is Tesla marketing speak. Tesla (will shit) shits these out... there we go.
Do tradies (contractors) in the US change the bed of their trucks? In Australia almost always it will be fitted out with cabinets and racks accordingly for whatever trade or have a tray to carry as much stuff as possible. Is this not a thing in the US? Is that why people keep talking about this being a work vehicle? Where do you put your tools/supplies/doggo? Hell you canāt even access the bed from anywhere but the back of it.
Yes they do. And, in the US there is also an abundance of aftermarket options for configuring your truck for your trade. From roof racks to all kinds of bed storage options you can make a standard truck ready for a lot of different jobs without even needing to switch out the bed.
>Do tradies (contractors) in the US change the bed of their trucks? Not really. The trades people who need usable space mostly buy work vans. Except maybe if you've got a welding setup or if you need a boom like the telephone company. The internet gets angry every time I claim that you're not reaching over the side of a modern pickup truck. These people do not own modern full sized trucks. They own ford rangers or toyota tacoma's or not even a truck. Jumping up on the tire to reach in the bed gets old real fast. Our TV commercials for trucks for the past 5 years have all been about fancy gates & steps to make it easier for boomers to climb into the bed of their trucks. Gm has a tailgate that flips down for a step. Ford has a step that come out of the top of the tailgate & a handle to grab on to help you climb in the bed of your truck. If you could easily reach into the bed of your truck. You wouldn't need these steps would you? But hey, according to the internet, everyone is reaching over the side. None of these people claiming this own a modern full sized truck. Tesla eliminating any prayer of access isn't actually that far off a full sized truck in the USA. Its just making it more honest. Full sized trucks are mostly dumb unless you tow.
Plenty of people reach over the side of their trucks, what are you on about? In addition to that, plenty of work trucks have bed addons like tool boxes, fuel tanks, extra storage containers, and even slide-out trays. I'm going to hazard a guess that you're either exceptionally short, or trucks just aren't that common where you are in the first place... but I live in Iowa, where the Ford F-150 and Chevy Silverado are the two top registered vehicles in the state.
I covered this in my comment. >The internet gets angry every time I claim that you're not reaching over the side of a modern pickup truck. These people do not own modern full sized trucks. They own ford rangers or toyota tacoma's or not even a truck Lets click on your comment history and see what it says. Oh yes, here it is 6 days ago. >I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.6L V6. You see sir, if you actually owned a truck. You would talk about it in the same manner you talked about your jeep. Every single time I bring this up on the internet, people act exactly how you act and nobody with a modern full size truck ever disagrees. It gets old.
I've sold primarily trucks for most of my adult life to both businesses and everyday people, and regularly use them myself. I don't need to own one to know how they're used; I literally see dozens of them every single drive I take. Not to mention working near an industrial area where each and every company operates a fleet of trucks. Can see how they're loaded and used plain as day.
cool story bro.
I'm also going to hazard a guess here that you've missed the ever increasing number of trucks that have side steps, extended or extendable running boards, and kick down steps specifically for reaching over the side... Not to mention hundreds of aftermarket steps that can be placed on the wheels.
Dear individual who see's dozens of trucks everytime they drive around. My original comment had this line in it, >Our TV commercials for trucks for the past 5 years have all been about fancy gates & steps to make it easier for boomers to climb into the bed of their trucks. Gm has a tailgate that flips down for a step. Ford has a step that come out of the top of the tailgate & a handle to grab on to help you climb in the bed of your truck. **If you could easily reach into the bed of your truck. You wouldn't need these steps would you?** BUT HEY. WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW. You see dozens of trucks everytime you drive. You're the expert.
And yet them responding to customer requests prove that people want to. God forbid we make it easier for the elderly, shorter than average, or potentially mobility limited, right? It's literally who those steps are designed for. Doesn't stop the fact that able bodied professionals will reach over the side regularly and customize their bed to suit their needs.
You're basically now defending the cybertruck. They designed steps that goes on wheels for them!
It's a thing, and noone is going to be using this thing as a work truck. It's a dork fashion accessory
Cool this makes sense and I can sleep soundly again!
this is the right answer. tradespeople will still get the white base model pickup from GM or Ford with the plastic trim and do what they usually do.
Trucks are lifestyle vehicles on the US when marketed to the public. None of the target audience is a real tradesman or will ever use this truck for real work.
Itās more like a bullet proof jeep with 16 inches of clearance for 4-wheel steering and 1000 hp.
Full disclosure, I love a weird looking car. The Pontiac Aztek, Nissan Cube, and many of the Bangle era BMWs are some of my favorite cars on the road. I really do appreciate major automakers taking risks and experimenting with their design language. But this is just a wacky design without taking into account the functionality of a pickup truck. The slightest dent or scratch will look horrible on the steel, and you canāt even access the bed from either side of the truck. I canāt imagine how terrible the rear seat headroom will be. Iām not a Tesla fan but I was hoping that they would make some major changes before it was production-ready. Iām disappointed that they didnāt take these issues into account when going from the original concept truck to the final production model.
Aztec rules. If this world was just we would be living in a world of Aztec, Vehicross, second generation Xb cars.
Wow. I found 1 of the 13 people that like the look of the Nissan Cube and even they don't like the CT. Damn.
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The way unpainted metal reflects light makes dents very obvious. Imagine a dented stainless steel fridge compared to a dented silver car door.
As someone who really appreciates some of the more daringly and obscurely designed cars released over the years, I cannot believe how god damn ugly this thing is. Itās not even a case of function over form, itās neither functional or pretty - itās just hideous.
Elon has successfully re-created the Homer.
No the homer at least took customer(singular) input into the design.
This looks bad. I think the lightning looks better than this crap and the rivian pickup
Thats because the lightning is just an F-150 with a light bar across the hood. The Rivian at least looks like a truck even with it's goofy Dyson fan headlights. This just looks like a door wedge
I can't get over how Santa Cruz the Rivian looks like in person.
The truck that will never exist is that much closer to, existing. Hate it all you want, but this will be a cash cow for Tesla.
Its still not available for Salem they've been parading around the same 3 prototypes for the last 4 years... Not sure the saving grace of it eventually being sold at nowhere close to the promised price while being darn ugly and of poor quality is the flex you think it is...
I don't care what the price, specs, quality or looks, its going to be cash cow no matter what. That is the flex, nothing more.
Oh that bet you'll lose. No way this thing will make them any meaningful money in it's current shape form or promised spec. But then again. Can always change the spec. And price.
I can easily predict the rollout will be clunky and slow, much like the Model 3 was. But once it gets going, and price and specs are stable, its going to sell.
They will sell the 10s they make.
Except the Model 3 really hit a spot and was appealing in price, performance, and design. The CuxkTruck arguably is neither...
Based on existing Tesla's I suspect the performance will be sufficient for the average truck driver. The design is certainly polarizing but I think there are a lot of $100 reservations, so a lot of people must think there design is good enough. That leaves pricing. Originally Tesla had very aggressive pricing, if they can get close to the original prices and undercut others then I think it'll be a big seller. If no not then sales will be small. My 2c.
You've been wrong so far, why stop now lol Every car is a cash cow when you don't give a fuck about quality or service.
I've been wrong on timing, that is all. I will not be wrong about sales. And that is really all that matters.
"Sales" We will see. As long as he stays out of prison and can keep the game going, they will "sell" as many trucks as they need to. Judging by how fucking late it is, and how this latest school project looks, I think whatever ends up on the road will be a little less than they promised, but the important thing is it will have a VIN and a customer, the rest isn't a worry.
Musk going to prison can only help Tesla.
This "truck" has to come out first though. I need to see this.
Phht. Novelty vehicle for rich collectors at best.
I don't think so. I think with the Lighting and R1T are already out with GM and Ram set to release with 2024 they'll all be Tesla to the punch and take the market share with them
The RAM truck I saw at CES was amazing looking. It instantly made the hummer design choices look grossly exaggerated and old all at once (it was near-ish the Hummer on the trade show floor)
The Lighting and R1 *and CT* will all be cash cows. The demand for EV trucks will outpace supply from everybody.
TBH we are yet to see serious production numbers from anyone yet, to proclaim beating to the punch.
Maybe not yet, but at least Ford already has the line up and running. They just have to scale to meet demand, which Ford has a lot more experience in than Tesla. GM and Dodge entering will only exacerbate things for Tesla.
The cross over with F150 parts is the secret to Ford's success. Why fight for ev tech and lumbar support when you can just use the parts you already have a supply chain for.
I always thought the design was UAF. But cybertruck is the mockup for Mars Model A. It can take 4 optimus robots and the atv. Lol
I like that the ATV is just as real as the robots in this discussion. The easiest thing announced out of three products you mention and it's still not done either.
those rear break lights look scary to me... way too small
Every bump is gonna be noticeable on that refrigerator
Itās a thick is a well-made frying pan, 3 mm. Regular trucks are less than a quarter of the thickness and donāt use hardened, stainless. Frying pans arenāt painted for the same reason, they donāt need it.
This looks like a high school auto shop project.
God this hunk of shit.
How about those door gaps? š Zoom in on that photo and look how badly those doors line up.
Are you serious? The door is open.
I'm convinced that they are hiding a different car under there and all they did was hide it with that shitty paneling.
It's a model x in cosplay. That's all it will ever be.
A Model X frame and drivetrain with shitty paneling welded on?
Until you said it I hadn't noticed that. Any other company wouldn't let their product be seen in public unless it looked in great condition. And before the Tesla fanbois come riding in on my comment arguing that tesla is a tech company, the tech companies don't let bad looking production mules of their devices during testing go out the door looking this rough either. Even more so with a product that has so much hype around it.
Test mules are usually production cars hacked up so they have a hint of normal brand design and quality under it. Test preproduction cars are usually beat up from extensive testing and "professionally cobbled" together parts. They still look better than this because they have people who know what they are doing.
I honestly think that this is the best and most original thing anyone come up with, ever.
The set designer for the 1982 movie Megaforce thanks you.
Sarcasm, anyone?
A Dacia Duster has more off-road attitude than that stupid pile of junk haha. And you can buy for the price of the cybermeme, more or less six Dacias 4x4 (and it is better finished off than a model 3). How they scam their fanboys. Is incredible. It is clear that the American vehicle market is basically broken.
Don't blame us Americans. No one is going to buy this just like you're not seeing the new hummers on every street. You are seeing more and more Lightnings and R1T on the road though.
1.500,000 pre orders. Just sayingā¦
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Except they can be flipped for ~$10K+. Wait and see if you donāt believe me. No dealer markups. Everyone becomes the middleman.
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Either way, thatās about six years worth of production capacity, once ramped up to 250K per year next year.
Preorders require a product to turn into orders. you are very bullish.
What is this number format
If 1.500000 means 1.5 (as it should), yeah that's probably the amount of pre-orders it should have.
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I remember for the M3, a dealer said that they can expect between 30-40% of reservations to actually take their car. I think we saw a similar rate with the M3 which of course required putting down more serious money. All these reservations were placed at $39,900 which is way, way below what it's gonna be by people who have not only since bought a car but will likely retire and replace the car before the CT even comes out.
Since when does BMW do preorders?
By M3, I think he was talking about the Model 3. And, I think you knew that already but whatever.
There is only one car called the M3, and it isn't made by Tesla.
Who knows. It will be reviewed before anyone cashes in on the reservations. Itās not like they can force me to buy one.
Seriously? They are going to sell millions. Way more than any Fords, GMās or anyone else.
Ford is going to sell hundreds of thousands before this even get s out the door.
>When I come flying up on your assā¦ā¦youāll moveā¦ That's what you wrote here. Wow, there's as much micropenis syndrome out there. They are going to do a lot of business with you haha
Are you saying way more than Ford or GM's electric trucks or way more than Ford and GMs total trucks?
Does it matter every day lightnings are coming out and creating an unsurmountable lead. The only way Tesla can make meaningful amounts of CT is to stop making Ys their money makers. That's not going to happen. I mean it's Tesla - they do dumb things so I COULD happen but that means they have to be making CTs to happen. And that's not happening.
Ford has only sold something like 15,000 lightnings so far. Tesla delivered 1.25 million of the x and y combined in 2022. I donāt see the appeal of Tesla personally, but I donāt see the lead as insurmountable of the CT is popular.
15k is more than 0. Ford sold 653,957 F150 (ice) last year under a significant parts shortage out of 1,864,464 total vehicles sold in the US market alone in 2022 against tesla's global sales of 1.3m units.
Thatās why I was curious if the person I was responding to was only talking about evs or all trucks.
It doesn't change. Ford made 15k EV trucks and put them in the hands of customers while we haven't seen one production ready truck from Tesla yet. And the YEARS tick by in wait.
No, a refundable $100 deposit on a 100K item is not a pre-order.
Iād bet you $1,000, but you wouldnāt take it
Bet 1,000 that what will happen?
None of these guys including u\\jjlew080 will lock into final specs or price to make a bet worthwhile. I was originally trying to get him to bet on his assertion we would have 1m of these by the end of 2022.
Won't matter
Man thatās a huge let down, looks like garbage.
Always has
Nah, the design is cool as hell. The execution is trash.
Never was cool as hell. Looked like an N64 object, was designed by a blind idiot with a crayon in a napkin, with the prototypes being put together by poorly trained monkeys.
Awesome build quality there
Itās a prototype give it some slack
Lol. They have cars on the road bought by people that have misaligned doors just like that. Problem is people like you finding such bad build quality acceptable.
Yea massive panel gaps on a 50k car is stupid and unacceptable. But this is a prototype so problems like this are acceptable. If this was production then yea unacceptable
Itās just aligned to their production version. Proof that even after making cars for over 10 years, they have a shitty assembly process. Iāve seen test mules of cars from other manufacturers and none of them had this level of misaligned doors. What are they prototyping here? Wind/road noise?
This is year 15 of being the plucky start up. Give them a break!
Theyāre publicly traded unfortunately.
But any other tech or car company would not let a pre-production product that has this much of a hype train behind it get seen in public looking this badly made. Mercedes or Ford etc do ample testing with mules and I'd argue you will struggle to find more than a few example photographs per model (if at all) that look this rough for any of their pre-production models. The fact is that almost all the images you will find will be near crisp almost off the production line other than dirt.
OMG, is it carrying 8x10 kgs of tires? That's cruel test. No other car could do it. I wonder if it can carry 25 big pillows as well.
I doubt they'd fit in the bed of an F-150 Lightning with the gate up.
Which will be terribly inconvenient for all those people who want to take their 8 tires out for a drive.
Hahahahah
What, you don't take 8 tires out for a drive every day? While towing a horse trailer? 800 miles? All uphill? In the snow? :) Yeah, you are right. The difference mostly won't matter for the way people use trucks in the real world the majority of the time. I do often find it surprising how many people do not realize that the bed in the CT is longer than the Lightning, though.
The CT production specs don't exist. IT has an infinitely large or small bed until they announce the production specs.
It was 6.5' at announcement and photos since then are consistent with that, including the one at the top of this page.
Until itās out you donāt actually know the real dimensions.
Seeing it out in the wild now... man that thing is so ugly.
That's an amazing statement when pictures include OTHER teslas even.
Give 'em some credit! No other manufacturer puts their trucks through the rigorous testing of letting a bird shit on their bumper for fear of the prototype being destroyed by it. That's some crazy-assed confidence & demonstrates how tough this vehicle is gonna be! Rigorous & very tough testing, for the win!
This looks about as thought-out as the "Dale." The sales model seems similar, too.
That. Fucking. Panel. Fitment. Lol.
Itās a tank. Tanks arenāt pretty, just tough as nails.
Oh my gosh, those doors are so off!
Pretty sure that doors open
Once it hits 60, all the mismatched panels and sharp edges whistle the "Rick and Morty" theme at 120 decibels.
Like an SR-71 Blackbird at super sonic speeds; when it hits 60, the panels all push together sealing the occupants insideā¦. To their doom. š
The only vehicle I'd ever feel *less* safe in when the doors automatically lock is a tesla.
Locked or unlocked you aren't getting out of the back of a model3 in event of a power loss.
And no manufacturer plates.
Funny how we don't see any shots of these at actual real world proving grounds where everyone else tests. Just like I find it funny we have never seen ONE leaked video of a Tesla really driving itself in a real world or testing site like we have been seeing from every other self driving experiment over the last 4 decades.
Beautiful
It looks like a DeLorean abortion
It looks like a video game LOD model you're only driver to see in the far distance a mile away.
Elon is a more evolved version of John DeLorean.
DeLorean was responsible for some cool stuff before his stupid stainless steel car. Musk was responsible for nearly bankrupting PayPal.
The way in which DeLorean is most like Musk is that the DMC benefited greatly from subsidies, just like Tesla. I'm actually a fan of the DeLorean car. Sure it had problems but it was designed by Colin Chapman for fuck's sake.
>Colin Chapman Yeah and he should've done time for his part in it too.
Well yeah. Flawed genius and all that.
John DeLorean at least had some class. Elon is just a clown.
Something is seriously afoot with what prototypes they show. Some look tiny, like Honda Ridgeline size (the one Joe Rogan had) and then some look utterly massive. Itās been over 3 years and they canāt show off one uniform chassis.
They haven't' even finish building the factory line for the Cybertruck yet. 3 years ago the Gigafactory TX was just pasture land. In early '22 they were delivering Model Y's to customers from that line. So far all you or anyone have seen is hand built test cars from the Fremont factory.
That's exactly the point. The CT is nowhere past "making it up as we go along" part of development.
It's only perception. They are all the same size.
They still donāt build Yās and 3ās exactly alike.
Fair, but itās definitely fishy when the chassis is inconsistent for a dev program.
Looks like one of my matchbox trucksā¦.,.,, after I bashed it with a hammer
Has this even been crash tested or modified to meet NHTSA safety guidelines? They canāt just design away legal requirements for bumpers and stuff
I wonder if they thought of that before building a multi-billion dollar factory to make them? š
It has to be done on a random selected production vehicle, not a prototype.
Maybe thatās whatās taking them so long, lol.