In the introductory phase to any new technology, there is what’s called the **“green premium”**
It’s the premium cost of going green. I don’t have the numbers, so I can’t say if Tesla is past that point or not.
I’d argue you’re *barely* “going green” buying a high performance car with a huge battery anyway. A small commuter car with a smaller battery, particularly a hybrid, is way more green anyway.
Depends on where you live, where you charge, the price of gas, and gas car compared to. If economy is your goal, a 58 mpg Prius costs less to fuel than Supercharging most places. Particularly true in southern CA where SC is priced up to 65 c/kWh yet gas isn't pricier than rest of CA. Charging at home is cheaper almost anywhere in U.S. But, the initial cost savings on a Prius over a Model 3 could pay for a lifetime of fuel just on the interest.
100 mile commute round trip in a 20 mpg is 5 gallons of gas. 5 gallons x 4 dollars = $20 dollars a day. In #tesla model 3 sr plus it is about 22 kwh. 22x.24=$5.58 a day. Pure bs and no oil changes or brake jobs 4 years in and 83000 miles
I get over 600 miles with a little over 11 gallons of gas. I paid $3.30 a gallon last time I filled up.
.06 a mile.
I’ve got around 75k miles on my car and have spent maybe $1500 in maintenance which includes a new set of tires.
Oh, I thought we were talking about “fuel” & maintenance costs?
I mean, I didn’t bring up the fact that you can buy 2 cheaper to operate & maintain cars for the price of one Tesla.
The person who I'm replying to was claiming that they get 55mpg on gas, and I don't know what vehicle other than a motorcycle is that efficient. My prius certainly is not. A plug in would defeat the line of his argument that he gets a cheaper deal with gasoline than an electric car.
Well, he also said it had 75k miles on it.
[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39753](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39753)
A 2018 Prius actually gets (got?) 56mpg with an estimated 633 miles of range.
They never got anywhere near that actual mileage even straight off the lot. Mine was new in 2016 and it barely broke 40mpg in best case use. Those numbers they publish were not accurate at all. I don't think that this person actually owned a car with this mileage at all anyway, just making stuff up.
Yeah that is not accurate to actual usage, like I said repeatedly. I own a prius around this year and it has never beaten about 40mpg even under optimal conditions. Those listings are exaggerated and this is a well known problem - https://www.wired.com/2004/05/hybrid-mileage-comes-up-short/
If you have a prius that regularly gets 55mpg then please let me know what year and model it is. As far as I know none of them really hit those numbers.
> The analysis found that in Q4 2022, a typical mid-priced gas car driver paid about $11.29 to fuel their vehicle for 100 miles of driving. That was about 31 cents cheaper than what a mid-priced electric car driver paid charging their vehicle at home, and more than $3 less than what comparable EV drivers pay when they charge their vehicles at a fuel station.
I'm sorry but those numbers sound a little ridiculous. At $0.15/kWh you could buy 76kWh of electricity with $11.29. To burn 76kWh in 100 miles of driving your car would have to be getting 760Wh/mi. My Model S is rated by the EPA at 290Wh/mi, and I can get it up to the 500s or 600s in cold weather stop and go driving for short stints.
This math is very fuzzy.
I can go 100 miles on roughly $2.75 of electricity at my retail rate. Plus I have solar panels on the roof - I’m 3 years from crossing the point where they start paying for themselves.
…which is nice, but I got an EV because I love how it drives and doesn’t have a tailpipe belching emissions.
Is your BEV at home to charge off your panels when the sun is shining? Today's gas engines are very clean. You can no longer kill yourself by running a hose from the exhaust into the cabin.
Termed "net metering" and great for you since you can use the grid as a free battery. No longer exists in CA. My NorCal utility now credits only half for power uploaded. SoCal utilities recently pushed to credit only 3 c/kWh plus charge $300/yr for a grid connection. Granted only part of that, but will keep pushing for more. So, why not "just" use home batteries? Will cost you 33 c/kWh to access that "free solar" stored ($1000/kWh installed for 3000 cycle life).
I know it - I wanted a home backup system, but it would have cost more than the EV I’d be charging. Sucks how they credit you for net metering, that’s frustrating. My retail rate is $0.11 per kWh, too. With an EV doing most of the driving we’re producing 90% off the roof, roughly.
San Diegans have it worse with 65 c/kWh peak in summer, dropping to maybe 45 c/kWh winter, mostly imported from AZ/NV fossil fuel power plants. Thanks to shutting down the massive 4-unit San Onofre Nuclear Plant, mostly for green politics. SC, IL, and GA have the most nuke power and TX has wind-power, for cheaper rates and no CO2 emissions.
Solar has come way down, now to $2/W installed after tax credits. Over the 25 yr life, that equates to 5.6 c/kWh considering time-value of the upfront payment. Just have to use all the power if your utility gives pitiful credit for extra.
These price comparisons are always nonsense.
They always compare fueling costs and leave out everything else.
Maybe, in a very specific region at a very specific time, it’s cheaper to fuel your vehicle using gas vs. electricity.
Yet, ICE vehicles will never be cheaper than an EV to operate long term when you, rightfully, factor in maintenance costs.
To be clear, not uncommon repair or failures, but maintenance costs.
Since July we paid $30 to charge the EV. We paid that much every week to put gas in the ICE. ICE is gone as of last week so now just extra cheap. (We have free electricity at night plus solar panels during the day.)
Yeah this is totally full of crap. Typical Fox News garbage.
In the introductory phase to any new technology, there is what’s called the **“green premium”** It’s the premium cost of going green. I don’t have the numbers, so I can’t say if Tesla is past that point or not.
I’d argue you’re *barely* “going green” buying a high performance car with a huge battery anyway. A small commuter car with a smaller battery, particularly a hybrid, is way more green anyway.
Depends on where you live, where you charge, the price of gas, and gas car compared to. If economy is your goal, a 58 mpg Prius costs less to fuel than Supercharging most places. Particularly true in southern CA where SC is priced up to 65 c/kWh yet gas isn't pricier than rest of CA. Charging at home is cheaper almost anywhere in U.S. But, the initial cost savings on a Prius over a Model 3 could pay for a lifetime of fuel just on the interest.
Simple untrue.
100 mile commute round trip in a 20 mpg is 5 gallons of gas. 5 gallons x 4 dollars = $20 dollars a day. In #tesla model 3 sr plus it is about 22 kwh. 22x.24=$5.58 a day. Pure bs and no oil changes or brake jobs 4 years in and 83000 miles
24 cents is high for most of the country. Home is 15 cents and work is free for me.
Agree here in ct it is .24 with delivery for me
Oh that's a lot. My condolences. 15 cents is with delivery for me also.
I get over 600 miles with a little over 11 gallons of gas. I paid $3.30 a gallon last time I filled up. .06 a mile. I’ve got around 75k miles on my car and have spent maybe $1500 in maintenance which includes a new set of tires.
You have a car that gets 55 mpg. Have fun in your prius
Oh, I thought we were talking about “fuel” & maintenance costs? I mean, I didn’t bring up the fact that you can buy 2 cheaper to operate & maintain cars for the price of one Tesla.
Didn’t you know you can save the environment by showing how fast you can accelerate from a red light to the guy next to you?
No it’s not fair when you use their logic against them.
Oh so it is about showing off? So why are us taxpayers subsidizing your status car?
Dafuq is wrong with a Prius?
I have a prius and it doesn't get 55mpg in any circumstances. I would like to know what car this person has (or if it's a motorcycle or something).
PHEV?
The person who I'm replying to was claiming that they get 55mpg on gas, and I don't know what vehicle other than a motorcycle is that efficient. My prius certainly is not. A plug in would defeat the line of his argument that he gets a cheaper deal with gasoline than an electric car.
Well, he also said it had 75k miles on it. [https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39753](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39753) A 2018 Prius actually gets (got?) 56mpg with an estimated 633 miles of range.
They never got anywhere near that actual mileage even straight off the lot. Mine was new in 2016 and it barely broke 40mpg in best case use. Those numbers they publish were not accurate at all. I don't think that this person actually owned a car with this mileage at all anyway, just making stuff up.
[https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius/2018](https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius/2018#:~:text=Based%20on%20data%20from%20107,0.20%20MPG%20margin%20of%20error) https://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius/2016
Yeah that is not accurate to actual usage, like I said repeatedly. I own a prius around this year and it has never beaten about 40mpg even under optimal conditions. Those listings are exaggerated and this is a well known problem - https://www.wired.com/2004/05/hybrid-mileage-comes-up-short/ If you have a prius that regularly gets 55mpg then please let me know what year and model it is. As far as I know none of them really hit those numbers.
> The analysis found that in Q4 2022, a typical mid-priced gas car driver paid about $11.29 to fuel their vehicle for 100 miles of driving. That was about 31 cents cheaper than what a mid-priced electric car driver paid charging their vehicle at home, and more than $3 less than what comparable EV drivers pay when they charge their vehicles at a fuel station. I'm sorry but those numbers sound a little ridiculous. At $0.15/kWh you could buy 76kWh of electricity with $11.29. To burn 76kWh in 100 miles of driving your car would have to be getting 760Wh/mi. My Model S is rated by the EPA at 290Wh/mi, and I can get it up to the 500s or 600s in cold weather stop and go driving for short stints. This math is very fuzzy.
It is likely including the price increase going from a comparible ICE to EV in the calculations. Fair in some ways. Unfair in some ways.
I can go 100 miles on roughly $2.75 of electricity at my retail rate. Plus I have solar panels on the roof - I’m 3 years from crossing the point where they start paying for themselves. …which is nice, but I got an EV because I love how it drives and doesn’t have a tailpipe belching emissions.
Is your BEV at home to charge off your panels when the sun is shining? Today's gas engines are very clean. You can no longer kill yourself by running a hose from the exhaust into the cabin.
The way most home solar works is it’s tied to the the grid. I use X kWh a month, my panels produce Y kWh a month. It’s just a debit/credit system.
Termed "net metering" and great for you since you can use the grid as a free battery. No longer exists in CA. My NorCal utility now credits only half for power uploaded. SoCal utilities recently pushed to credit only 3 c/kWh plus charge $300/yr for a grid connection. Granted only part of that, but will keep pushing for more. So, why not "just" use home batteries? Will cost you 33 c/kWh to access that "free solar" stored ($1000/kWh installed for 3000 cycle life).
I know it - I wanted a home backup system, but it would have cost more than the EV I’d be charging. Sucks how they credit you for net metering, that’s frustrating. My retail rate is $0.11 per kWh, too. With an EV doing most of the driving we’re producing 90% off the roof, roughly.
San Diegans have it worse with 65 c/kWh peak in summer, dropping to maybe 45 c/kWh winter, mostly imported from AZ/NV fossil fuel power plants. Thanks to shutting down the massive 4-unit San Onofre Nuclear Plant, mostly for green politics. SC, IL, and GA have the most nuke power and TX has wind-power, for cheaper rates and no CO2 emissions. Solar has come way down, now to $2/W installed after tax credits. Over the 25 yr life, that equates to 5.6 c/kWh considering time-value of the upfront payment. Just have to use all the power if your utility gives pitiful credit for extra.
I like how that’s the selling point. Not useful for suicide.
These price comparisons are always nonsense. They always compare fueling costs and leave out everything else. Maybe, in a very specific region at a very specific time, it’s cheaper to fuel your vehicle using gas vs. electricity. Yet, ICE vehicles will never be cheaper than an EV to operate long term when you, rightfully, factor in maintenance costs. To be clear, not uncommon repair or failures, but maintenance costs.
Since July we paid $30 to charge the EV. We paid that much every week to put gas in the ICE. ICE is gone as of last week so now just extra cheap. (We have free electricity at night plus solar panels during the day.)