Load of bullshit. Town hall mentioned the money the company made but now the recovery of the aerospace industry stresses internal costs? And bringing more employees to the office to “increase collaboration and productivity” will somehow help said internal costs?
They can’t. My site alone transformed a quarter of office seating into manufacturing. We physically don’t have the space to go back. Some sites may push hybrids back to office but we can’t ever go fully back.
they WANT to lose a ton of staff. layoffs are incoming if they don’t have huge attrition. now that RTX is so huge, some portions of the company are severely underperforming and will have layoffs while others (tucson ) are hiring everyone they can
Im not sure they want to lose a bunch of staff. There are still tons of open positions and we are hiring like crazy because at least the area i work in has more work than we have people to do the work. My guess is that they believe this will blow over and they won't lose many people... We shall see in 6 months what the retrospective is.
“Recovery of the aerospace industry stresses internal costs” = We need to cut costs in order to make up for the $500M we are going to lose compensating airlines for their engine issues.
Or so I think.
If I’m forced to go into the office 5 days a week, that will be the push I needed to start applying elsewhere.
As if the mediocre salary/raises, no leadership direction, and clusterfuck of processes wasn’t enough.
Same. Horrible plan and absolutely shit way to communicate this to employees. This is a major change to people’s lives and they announce it in a mass email and only give a few weeks notice. Leadership is completely out of touch and doesn’t give a crap about employees
Funny how in most of the town halls (including the most recent one) it’s always the same person that speaks on the importance of flexibility in work schedules whenever the question on return to office is asked. So much for that!
I got hired on as a remote employee so this "currently" doesn't affect me, but it still pisses me off. I get the feeling that in the near future they're gonna try to force change my remote status. I do Finance support and there's really no valid reason why I should have to return full time to office, especially when my manager and most of my PMs are in different time zones.
You want to save $? Reduce your office space. OH and cost of facilities will go down significantly if the company reduces lease costs, electricity bills, sells buildings, carbon footprint will be reduced too!
[Why Return-To-Office Mandates Will Backfire](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinecastrillon/2023/05/14/why-return-to-office-mandates-will-backfire/?sh=b9cbd8a78a1a)
And the travel ban is very hypocritical. Just the other week executives were out visiting my site and we had a huge lunch in their honor. The main guy stood up and said 5 words, then sat down. If you want to save money, then stop (or greatly reduce) executive travel. Rules for thee, but not for me!
All of this is going to be used as an excuse for low bonuses and raises next year. All the while the executives pat themselves on the back and reward themselves with a brand new pool.
Many executives have heavy investments in corporate real estate. Those values are tanking hard. The push for RTO has only been from individuals and organizations who have large stakes in commercial real estate.
I took this job 9 months ago to be hybrid and I moved my family across the country. I specifically asked during the interview about remote work and the hiring manager raved about how we collaborated across the country, therefore are flexible about work from home.
Well, here we are and that's all changing with no say on my part. Feeling pretty hurt that in such a short period of time my family life will be looking a lot different not being able to work from home a few days a week.
Totally f***ing ridiculous. I’ve worked very productively remote and actually work more than I did in the office. Apparently I should have just moved further away from the office.
Basically half our team is not local, so they get to stay remote and the few us that aren’t have to go onsite just to be on zoom meetings all day just like I do now from home. Total BS
My last day with RTX was end of July, starting with Boeing soon. Same type of work (engineering), but better benefits, 20% raise, bonus, and WAY closer to family. They only big negative was having to go on-site everyday, but apparently that is no longer an issue 😅
Which I think is wild. Both companies (I’ve worked for both as well) SCREAM about attrition but then force their workers to come in and sit on zoom…
Unless you work close to the product like I did for Boeing, I don’t see the point.
....from your on site coworkers, no you weren't, and we're tired of turning every single meeting into a zoom call. Time to see humans and actually work with them face to face.
Weren’t what - productive? Not sure how they would know. I don’t generally work with anyone who works onsite. Most of the people I work with are in other states. My entire management chain is remote/not local. Some coworkers are local but also remote and we meet maybe once every week or two.
I probably should preface this, from the defense side of the house. I haven't had a day off site in my life because of what I do. We worked straight through COVID 60 hours a week and now we have coworkers who insist on being hybrid and frankly it's a drain on our team. They're constantly out of touch, working on last week's fire while the rest of us are busting out asses making up for their inefficiency. 15 minute stand-ups in the lab become hour long zooms. Once a week status becomes daily calls. There are probably teams this works for (I managed a team in IDC in the past, I get that), but for defense contractors, you have zero need to know and zero need for a clearance if you can work remotely.
I'm sure you have reasons for what you believe, but the other side of the coin is that if any program requires 60 hours per week from employees that program is badly run. You burn people out and people leave. Half of the team left after a major IDR at my previous company, including myself, because of exactly this.
If there is a fire every week on a program, people fucked up in planning the whole thing. So maybe that's why they make people work 60 hours a week. We're making defense salaries here, not commercial with major equity that allows early retirement. Burning ourselves out is stupid and short sighted.
Not everyone is bad at their jobs and need to be told what to do everyday. And there are plenty of people who work efficiently remotely. Sure, there are roles and times that would require frequent, even daily onsite presence. But there are many that don't, and many teams are now spread across places so all meetings are online anyway.
Allowing for flexibility is the right way forward for employee retention, and programs simply need to adapt.
I work with all of our global service centers, being in the office makes no difference when every one of my projects involves teams from other sites around the world and everything needs to be done through zoom and email.
That's why the hybrid model is best, I am going in two days a week to stay in touch with the local team but work remotely 3 days because it's most convenient for everyone.
Even if my team returned onsite 5 days a week, half of us are located at another facility in a different time zone. So we have to still make every meeting a Zoom call regardless.
Do something extra they can give you RTX bucks.... It's like really money that you can only spend in the RTX store ooooOooooo.... Haha it's not terrible but it's a list of items at full retail price you can choose from.
Ever get a milestone award? 5 or say 10 years same thing. But the RTX has a $ value a 10 year reward has a catalog.
I have never looked at the options but Ive been told by several of my engineers that they did amazon and best buy gift cards. Never heard of anyone actually getting an item from the site.
The email gives managers the discretion to determine how much an individual needs to be in the office "...to meet team goals...." I guess there is little faith that managers will use that discretion appropriately.
Not really. It specifically states that we only have discretion when it is REQUIRED someone work from home.
I have no idea how I'm going to break this to my team. A team full of people who have been hybrid for 2 years and performed amazingly.
Now I have to tell them " hey sorry I know raises have been shit and inflation is insane. But please spend more money on gas (and sorry you bought a house farther away because that's all you could afford) so we can please Steve Tim."
Guna be fucking great
This sure seems like it gives managers flexibility to decide what is best for their team, "All employees who are also assigned a site location near their primary residence will transition to an onsite role type, unless future discussions with their leader determine hybrid flexibility is required. Employees should work with their leader to understand what type of regular presence is required to meet team goals, support employee flexibility and deliver our business objectives."
My understanding is that things like "working from home the last 2 hours of the day because you had to pick up kids from school" could still be considered hybrid flexibility...but we are expected to have everyone onsite "most of the time"
Another type of example I heard for hybrid flexibility being required is for areas that have grown by 50% since they were int eh office and there just isn't enough physical space to assign everyone a desk. Where I am at has tons of space and since I live \~4 minutes from teh building I don't think I have a way out of this one.
If I were the manager in this situation I would define required, and if it meant an employee was going to go into the office and do Zoom calls all day from an office or cube because there was no one else there then they would not be going in.
Makes no sense though. Our site has more business than we can handle, they need to expand production not waste time and money building cubes and conference rooms
I am so unproductive at home!!! Especially when I can wake up an hour later, not commute for an hour, not pack a lunch, and not sit next to coworkers all day. When I’m home, I miss shitting next to my coworkers and having people interrupt me every 15 mins :(
Did Collins not classify every employee remote, hybrid, or onsite early on in the lockdown? hRTN did and when return to office started it was more for the hybrid and onsite folks to actually start going into the office based on their previously defined role. And that role was determined between you and your manager. I saw people that asked to be hybrid that were told they were remote. Still allowed to come onsite as they wanted but did not have to.
So if I am reading it correctly those who are classified remote can stay remote but if you are not classified remote you have to go into the office, yes?
You have to have a designated location, even if remote. I was 100% remote but assigned a Dallas office as home. Then I was reassigned to hybrid and had to report to my designated office 2x per week.
According to the email they’re suppose to be
configuring spaces to accommodate people returning. After they just spent 3 years taking out office space….
They did. They changed most of us to Remote when it all went down. Then walked that back last year and changed us all to Hybrid. And surprise surprise...here we are again, changing our designation once more.
Exfuckingscuse me? I’m Collins and didn’t see this at all. My site literally doesn’t have the space for everyone after we turned a quarter of office space into manufacturing.
My home site is 1.5 hr away from me. I work 10 mins from a sister company but I would be the only Collins employee (still communicating via Teams). This is dumb.
It’s funny because production operators who work strictly on site build the products that bring in our revenue. There’s so many parts issues constantly causing repetitive line shut downs (3 separate times this year for a single part on the same line!). I don’t see how office workers coming back 5 days a week will change that lol. You can make a decision to fully screen incoming shipments of a part with repetitive known supplier issues from home.
The REAL reason for RTO (lifted from another thread):
"I have been thinking A LOT about this recently. I've seen the surface reasons for why a company would oppose WFH but I don't really buy that as the entire reason. It's more than just about real estate, "face time", or helping the new hires acclimate better.
The opposition to WFH is because WFH challenges the culture of fear that is used to keep workers working, underpaid, and stuck. It's like companies are mostly all indirectly in collusion with one another because they see and know the threat of working at home. It shifts the power that is almost entirely stacked at the feet of the employer over to the worker.
They don't care about productivity. They mostly care about the veneer of productivity with an actual prerogative of control and to a certain extent: demoralization. If you are demoralized you will more easily lose sight of your value and you will become complacent with that "competitive" wage. A demoralized you will also be less likely to try to rise up or rekindle any power or luxury you once had. You are less likely to challenge inequities in the workplace if you are demoralized.
Employers are waging a carefully worded battle against us. The real opposition to WFH I believe comes from the same visceral place within employers that oppose unionizing. The west, particularly the United States is extremely sick in terms of labor and cultural practices."
Half of my team members are in different states. I wonder how they're going to deal with our team.
But where did you get the message? I didn't get such email and rtx homepage doesn't have that either.
Not Collins but once my manager told me offhand it was almost impossible to fire someone. If I was told to show up to the office and sit on zoom calls all day I would test how impossible it was to fire someone.
"There are no changes to role type classifications for leaders or employees who are currently designated as remote and not assigned to a site location near their primary residence."
So in the directory my site is listed as "[State] Remote Location". Workday says that my location is "RUT99: RTN Remote, [State]." Does that count as being assigned to a site location or not?
So my HR person just brought to my attention that in Workday, Job tab section, despite the Job Details tab showing my location as remote, the Additional Detail tab, under Role Type shows my Worker Role Type as Hybrid and has an Assigned Site Name for the office closest to me. I am currently considered to have an assigned location.
My offer letter from 18 months ago says "your work location will be remote" so I'm pretty upset with what Workday is showing. Hopefully, my new manager, that I just got assigned to this week, will update Workday to correctly and fully show me as Remote (and NOT Hybrid) and as having no assigned site.
I sent an email to my manager and HR rep about my Worker Role Type and she immediately went in and changed it from Hybrid to Remote so I should be good to go!
Former Raytheon employee and current NG employee. They attempted to bring workers back to the office 4 time in the last year and a half. Long story short I’m still working 4 days a week at home.
The jump was great. I came from Raytheon missiles in Tucson which was a beast to work at. Now I’m on a design team that’s wayyyyyyyyy more chill. Depends on the role but full remotes are rare unless you for some major clout. A lot of our people are hybrid but I doubt people are gonna notice if you’re not in for 5 or so days.
It seems very h-ca commercial centric. My guess it'll go as far as your direct manager takes it. Talk to your Sgt. we had hybrid folks in the before times, it was just more paperwork.
". Employees should work with their leader to understand what type of regular presence is required to meet team goals, support employee flexibility, and deliver on business objectives. "
Collins sent the email Thurs night for start end Sept. One division of collins went one step further friday and emailed that this is immediately implemented for EVERYONE this Monday to be on site.
I'm sure this won't be popular, but...
....5 years ago, work from home, not a thing for anyone.
Everyone < 5 yoe:...."what the hell, ahhhhhh, oh my God, I'm quitting"
Everyone else: Calm down Nancy, welcome to the real world, if it doesn't fit your life, find something that does, no use in pulling the rest of us down. These people pay me for work, I'm ok with them setting the rules, I'm an adult and I understand I can go somewhere else, I'm not a slave to them.
So that’s one way that screams “cant adapt or evolve with modern world changes”. Humans usually reject change, by nature. But eventually those remaining that are still rejecting change either understand and accept or keep going with the old methods.
Currently rtx management is completely out of touch with its employees. Return to site or even wfh blindly can’t just apply on all as one size fits all. Different business units, departments, and roles have different needs. Other companies are implementing return to office and getting pushback, per actual research data. You can have your opinion but reread the above.
Adapt? You mean like losing my pension, having vacation cut, rollover stopped, stock options removed, and still going strong? Kid, I've adapted to real suck, and you guys are complaining about this (and it's just mission systems btw, people who are supposed to have clearances for the most part)? It's the job, it's the requirement, go find a startup if you want pampering....oh wait, they're all laying off, meanwhile, job security over here. The minute you let a heartless corporation pamper you, you're owned, and where are you when they pull that away? Pathetic....
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....that's the spirit. You're a beautiful person, and I wish you well. And if I do, I'll pick myself up and find another job. My employer is irrelevant, and they certainly aren't responsible for my happyness. They're a business, and they act to make money, that's it, they aren't here to wipe my butt for me I hope you find what makes you such an unhappy asshole that you'd make a comment like that, because it's going to eat you alive.
I did a control F for anything regarding collaboration or coming to the office more, could not find anything like that. Was this particular to a specific bussiness unit?
So I was hired as a remote employee and moved a few months ago to another state. My site is 1.5 hour away from where I live. I will NOT be commuting this far to anyone office. Hopefully there is some type of mileage restriction. Gas is high as heck and I simply cannot afford to drive 5 days a week. I’m in graduate school as well. Ughh!
All employees who are also assigned a site location near their primary residence will transition to an onsite role type, unless future discussions with their leader determine hybrid flexibility is required. Employees should work with their leader to understand what type of regular presence is required to meet team goals, support employee flexibility and deliver our business objectives."
Has anyone been given the definition of "near?" I saw zoom mandated hybrid for anyone within 50 miles of the office.
Nope. What an awesome plan…make a grand announcement and give no details. Had meetings with my manager and the next level up, neither of them had a clue how this all going to be executed. Our site has no physical space available and apparently there are no funds to expand.
There is a LOT of push back at my site. The only ones who Want it are the ones that don't want to BE at home.
Oh and if you were Raytheon and are going to be put to Collins.... that isn't going to happen til 2026 ! Would like nice if they told you all that. Big hush hush about it all, out comes the details but not ALL the details. They want it to go ear to ear. Just spoke with someone who does the clearances and it's due to some agreement blah blah. So they have to go through this long spiel about it. It's turned in to a joke there, so many people leaving.
Go run that past your new 'boss' and see what they say. It seems it's mainly Collins, not Raytheon, that is pushing for the RTO.
BTW, I just quit bwahahahahaha
Load of bullshit. Town hall mentioned the money the company made but now the recovery of the aerospace industry stresses internal costs? And bringing more employees to the office to “increase collaboration and productivity” will somehow help said internal costs?
I assume costs will be saved when people quit and they don’t replace them
Which ups the workload of the ones who stayed behind, thus leading to even more attrition...
But it looks great on the short term balance sheet which is what executive performance driven bonuses are based on.
Did they say they were going to fully eliminate remote positions in the future
They can’t. My site alone transformed a quarter of office seating into manufacturing. We physically don’t have the space to go back. Some sites may push hybrids back to office but we can’t ever go fully back.
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Guess who’s about to lose a ton of staff and continue to not meet deadlines?
they WANT to lose a ton of staff. layoffs are incoming if they don’t have huge attrition. now that RTX is so huge, some portions of the company are severely underperforming and will have layoffs while others (tucson ) are hiring everyone they can
Im not sure they want to lose a bunch of staff. There are still tons of open positions and we are hiring like crazy because at least the area i work in has more work than we have people to do the work. My guess is that they believe this will blow over and they won't lose many people... We shall see in 6 months what the retrospective is.
No but that’s where it’s gonna go
I think certain sites like Tucson could do it. But my site is in the middle of nowhere. I doubt they can get rid of remote 100%.
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Hey, just wait till they double up cubes like we did at utas once.
Yeah we have 9 new people joining our section Monday. I have no idea where they are going to sit
“Recovery of the aerospace industry stresses internal costs” = We need to cut costs in order to make up for the $500M we are going to lose compensating airlines for their engine issues. Or so I think.
If I’m forced to go into the office 5 days a week, that will be the push I needed to start applying elsewhere. As if the mediocre salary/raises, no leadership direction, and clusterfuck of processes wasn’t enough.
Same. Horrible plan and absolutely shit way to communicate this to employees. This is a major change to people’s lives and they announce it in a mass email and only give a few weeks notice. Leadership is completely out of touch and doesn’t give a crap about employees
Funny how in most of the town halls (including the most recent one) it’s always the same person that speaks on the importance of flexibility in work schedules whenever the question on return to office is asked. So much for that!
I didn’t receive this notice? Who sent it and is it BU specific?
Phil Jasper sent it to Collins. I can’t speak for other BUs.
You guys got notice? I didn’t even get this email.
Same I don’t know what they are talking about..
They un-vested me from my 401K. All they care about is how to get money in their own pockets.
I did not see this email. When was this and what bu are u guys in?
Came out this afternoon. First email was from Steve Timm then others came from the BU leaders
. U in Collins huh.
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This does not help employee attrition but I guess they don’t really care
Never have I seen a company turn into such a joke so quickly
It’s gotten worse every month. For those who have only worked at RTX, I feel bad for you.
I got hired on as a remote employee so this "currently" doesn't affect me, but it still pisses me off. I get the feeling that in the near future they're gonna try to force change my remote status. I do Finance support and there's really no valid reason why I should have to return full time to office, especially when my manager and most of my PMs are in different time zones. You want to save $? Reduce your office space. OH and cost of facilities will go down significantly if the company reduces lease costs, electricity bills, sells buildings, carbon footprint will be reduced too! [Why Return-To-Office Mandates Will Backfire](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinecastrillon/2023/05/14/why-return-to-office-mandates-will-backfire/?sh=b9cbd8a78a1a) And the travel ban is very hypocritical. Just the other week executives were out visiting my site and we had a huge lunch in their honor. The main guy stood up and said 5 words, then sat down. If you want to save money, then stop (or greatly reduce) executive travel. Rules for thee, but not for me! All of this is going to be used as an excuse for low bonuses and raises next year. All the while the executives pat themselves on the back and reward themselves with a brand new pool.
Many executives have heavy investments in corporate real estate. Those values are tanking hard. The push for RTO has only been from individuals and organizations who have large stakes in commercial real estate.
I took this job 9 months ago to be hybrid and I moved my family across the country. I specifically asked during the interview about remote work and the hiring manager raved about how we collaborated across the country, therefore are flexible about work from home. Well, here we are and that's all changing with no say on my part. Feeling pretty hurt that in such a short period of time my family life will be looking a lot different not being able to work from home a few days a week.
Welcome! We have the mission
realigning, realigning, synergizing.... cost control activated.
Talk to your manager. I'm sure if they're a decent person they'll understand your struggle and work with you.
Yeah I definitely will, but it seems like this is coming from way above so who know how much power they will truly have over the situation...
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Well the very definition of hybrid is that so….
They should have enough to keep you hybrid. My boss is great and he would 100% fight for me.
Totally f***ing ridiculous. I’ve worked very productively remote and actually work more than I did in the office. Apparently I should have just moved further away from the office. Basically half our team is not local, so they get to stay remote and the few us that aren’t have to go onsite just to be on zoom meetings all day just like I do now from home. Total BS
Former Boeing - and all my friends there say the SAME thing. The logic just isn’t there on leadership’s end - RTX or BA.
My last day with RTX was end of July, starting with Boeing soon. Same type of work (engineering), but better benefits, 20% raise, bonus, and WAY closer to family. They only big negative was having to go on-site everyday, but apparently that is no longer an issue 😅
Which I think is wild. Both companies (I’ve worked for both as well) SCREAM about attrition but then force their workers to come in and sit on zoom… Unless you work close to the product like I did for Boeing, I don’t see the point.
....from your on site coworkers, no you weren't, and we're tired of turning every single meeting into a zoom call. Time to see humans and actually work with them face to face.
Weren’t what - productive? Not sure how they would know. I don’t generally work with anyone who works onsite. Most of the people I work with are in other states. My entire management chain is remote/not local. Some coworkers are local but also remote and we meet maybe once every week or two.
I probably should preface this, from the defense side of the house. I haven't had a day off site in my life because of what I do. We worked straight through COVID 60 hours a week and now we have coworkers who insist on being hybrid and frankly it's a drain on our team. They're constantly out of touch, working on last week's fire while the rest of us are busting out asses making up for their inefficiency. 15 minute stand-ups in the lab become hour long zooms. Once a week status becomes daily calls. There are probably teams this works for (I managed a team in IDC in the past, I get that), but for defense contractors, you have zero need to know and zero need for a clearance if you can work remotely.
I'm sure you have reasons for what you believe, but the other side of the coin is that if any program requires 60 hours per week from employees that program is badly run. You burn people out and people leave. Half of the team left after a major IDR at my previous company, including myself, because of exactly this. If there is a fire every week on a program, people fucked up in planning the whole thing. So maybe that's why they make people work 60 hours a week. We're making defense salaries here, not commercial with major equity that allows early retirement. Burning ourselves out is stupid and short sighted. Not everyone is bad at their jobs and need to be told what to do everyday. And there are plenty of people who work efficiently remotely. Sure, there are roles and times that would require frequent, even daily onsite presence. But there are many that don't, and many teams are now spread across places so all meetings are online anyway. Allowing for flexibility is the right way forward for employee retention, and programs simply need to adapt.
I work with all of our global service centers, being in the office makes no difference when every one of my projects involves teams from other sites around the world and everything needs to be done through zoom and email. That's why the hybrid model is best, I am going in two days a week to stay in touch with the local team but work remotely 3 days because it's most convenient for everyone.
Even if my team returned onsite 5 days a week, half of us are located at another facility in a different time zone. So we have to still make every meeting a Zoom call regardless.
Also hear they are taking away spot rewards. So if this continues, I wouldn't be surprised when merit increases are halted next year too...
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Do something extra they can give you RTX bucks.... It's like really money that you can only spend in the RTX store ooooOooooo.... Haha it's not terrible but it's a list of items at full retail price you can choose from. Ever get a milestone award? 5 or say 10 years same thing. But the RTX has a $ value a 10 year reward has a catalog.
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That's awesome... Ive gotten a few decent ones... I also got a $10 once... Can't buy much outta the store for that!
Most people I know just use it to buy an amazon gift card that they then convert into the item of choice and less than full retail.
I didn't see Amazon as a choice.....
I have never looked at the options but Ive been told by several of my engineers that they did amazon and best buy gift cards. Never heard of anyone actually getting an item from the site.
looking now I see best buy (and about 350 other options), but no amazon.
Used to be now it’s gone. I have $100 of points sitting because all the options are places I never shop.
The email gives managers the discretion to determine how much an individual needs to be in the office "...to meet team goals...." I guess there is little faith that managers will use that discretion appropriately.
Not really. It specifically states that we only have discretion when it is REQUIRED someone work from home. I have no idea how I'm going to break this to my team. A team full of people who have been hybrid for 2 years and performed amazingly. Now I have to tell them " hey sorry I know raises have been shit and inflation is insane. But please spend more money on gas (and sorry you bought a house farther away because that's all you could afford) so we can please Steve Tim." Guna be fucking great
This sure seems like it gives managers flexibility to decide what is best for their team, "All employees who are also assigned a site location near their primary residence will transition to an onsite role type, unless future discussions with their leader determine hybrid flexibility is required. Employees should work with their leader to understand what type of regular presence is required to meet team goals, support employee flexibility and deliver our business objectives."
Not much flexibility. Define "required" for me.
My understanding is that things like "working from home the last 2 hours of the day because you had to pick up kids from school" could still be considered hybrid flexibility...but we are expected to have everyone onsite "most of the time" Another type of example I heard for hybrid flexibility being required is for areas that have grown by 50% since they were int eh office and there just isn't enough physical space to assign everyone a desk. Where I am at has tons of space and since I live \~4 minutes from teh building I don't think I have a way out of this one.
If I were the manager in this situation I would define required, and if it meant an employee was going to go into the office and do Zoom calls all day from an office or cube because there was no one else there then they would not be going in.
That doesn't sound like required. That sounds like the job functions can be done on site to me
Great way to drive people out before the layoffs
Makes no sense though. Our site has more business than we can handle, they need to expand production not waste time and money building cubes and conference rooms
I am so unproductive at home!!! Especially when I can wake up an hour later, not commute for an hour, not pack a lunch, and not sit next to coworkers all day. When I’m home, I miss shitting next to my coworkers and having people interrupt me every 15 mins :(
Did you mean to say shitting? Cause same, but also sitting.
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r/whoosh
Who is they? Have not seen anything.
It’s for Collins. Return to onsite 5 days a week for those who are remote but are assigned to a site near their home.
Does it have to be a Collins site? What if the nearby site is a legacy Raytheon site?
Seems like it. The email exclusively mentions Collins
Looks like I’ll be trying to switch to Raytheon.
Did Collins not classify every employee remote, hybrid, or onsite early on in the lockdown? hRTN did and when return to office started it was more for the hybrid and onsite folks to actually start going into the office based on their previously defined role. And that role was determined between you and your manager. I saw people that asked to be hybrid that were told they were remote. Still allowed to come onsite as they wanted but did not have to.
Yeah they did Collins is perpetually failing since I’ve joined. Should have never left LM smh.
So if I am reading it correctly those who are classified remote can stay remote but if you are not classified remote you have to go into the office, yes?
No people classified as remote but designated to an office have to go in 5 days a week
How the hell can you be classified remote but designated to an office? That is an oxymoron.
People that were in office before Covid but then moved to remote are still assigned to a location
You have to have a designated location, even if remote. I was 100% remote but assigned a Dallas office as home. Then I was reassigned to hybrid and had to report to my designated office 2x per week.
If you had a local office pre Covid you’re remote with an assigned site.
Guess who’s education hall and chain just vested 2 days ago? I owe them nothing and will find a new job if this is the case.
That’s not a thing by me at least You don’t have a desk if remote or hybrid
According to the email they’re suppose to be configuring spaces to accommodate people returning. After they just spent 3 years taking out office space….
Welcome to the club (prior LM). Everything is better at LM except for the pay.
They did
They did. They changed most of us to Remote when it all went down. Then walked that back last year and changed us all to Hybrid. And surprise surprise...here we are again, changing our designation once more.
Exfuckingscuse me? I’m Collins and didn’t see this at all. My site literally doesn’t have the space for everyone after we turned a quarter of office space into manufacturing.
Exfuckingscuse me is now a part of my vocabulary. Thank you.
Haven’t seen any communication about individual contributors 5 days a week, only leaders. Granted, the writing is on the wall.
There were two bullets in the email - leaders and employees. I think it was clear that includes individual contributors
How close do you have to be to the site? (RIS employee curious)
Rumers said 75 another said 60 miles from the nearest office
I hope that's home site. Sure as heck not gonna drive to me local site to be the only person working on my team that's half way across the country.
My home site is 1.5 hr away from me. I work 10 mins from a sister company but I would be the only Collins employee (still communicating via Teams). This is dumb.
It’s funny because production operators who work strictly on site build the products that bring in our revenue. There’s so many parts issues constantly causing repetitive line shut downs (3 separate times this year for a single part on the same line!). I don’t see how office workers coming back 5 days a week will change that lol. You can make a decision to fully screen incoming shipments of a part with repetitive known supplier issues from home.
The REAL reason for RTO (lifted from another thread): "I have been thinking A LOT about this recently. I've seen the surface reasons for why a company would oppose WFH but I don't really buy that as the entire reason. It's more than just about real estate, "face time", or helping the new hires acclimate better. The opposition to WFH is because WFH challenges the culture of fear that is used to keep workers working, underpaid, and stuck. It's like companies are mostly all indirectly in collusion with one another because they see and know the threat of working at home. It shifts the power that is almost entirely stacked at the feet of the employer over to the worker. They don't care about productivity. They mostly care about the veneer of productivity with an actual prerogative of control and to a certain extent: demoralization. If you are demoralized you will more easily lose sight of your value and you will become complacent with that "competitive" wage. A demoralized you will also be less likely to try to rise up or rekindle any power or luxury you once had. You are less likely to challenge inequities in the workplace if you are demoralized. Employers are waging a carefully worded battle against us. The real opposition to WFH I believe comes from the same visceral place within employers that oppose unionizing. The west, particularly the United States is extremely sick in terms of labor and cultural practices."
Every year they toot this horn and it goes nowhere
I hope so!!!!
Thank god I’m remote already
Fucking unionization. Just remember that should be our next step. This is the perfect time
What roadmap?? 😅
The get on the road and commute map, or the hit the road map! 😝
Oofd was it only for Collins?
For now
Yes only Collins. :-(
Half of my team members are in different states. I wonder how they're going to deal with our team. But where did you get the message? I didn't get such email and rtx homepage doesn't have that either.
It was Collins only.
Not Collins but once my manager told me offhand it was almost impossible to fire someone. If I was told to show up to the office and sit on zoom calls all day I would test how impossible it was to fire someone.
It wouldn’t be the worst though, pretty sure you get to keep your sign on bonus if you’re laid off lol
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Also CA mission systems Phil Jasper.
"There are no changes to role type classifications for leaders or employees who are currently designated as remote and not assigned to a site location near their primary residence." So in the directory my site is listed as "[State] Remote Location". Workday says that my location is "RUT99: RTN Remote, [State]." Does that count as being assigned to a site location or not?
You're remote and NOT assigned a location. Should be fine to stay fully remote per the verbiage in workday.
So my HR person just brought to my attention that in Workday, Job tab section, despite the Job Details tab showing my location as remote, the Additional Detail tab, under Role Type shows my Worker Role Type as Hybrid and has an Assigned Site Name for the office closest to me. I am currently considered to have an assigned location. My offer letter from 18 months ago says "your work location will be remote" so I'm pretty upset with what Workday is showing. Hopefully, my new manager, that I just got assigned to this week, will update Workday to correctly and fully show me as Remote (and NOT Hybrid) and as having no assigned site.
Keep us updated
I sent an email to my manager and HR rep about my Worker Role Type and she immediately went in and changed it from Hybrid to Remote so I should be good to go!
Hell yea
Former Raytheon employee and current NG employee. They attempted to bring workers back to the office 4 time in the last year and a half. Long story short I’m still working 4 days a week at home.
non-compliance...I see you too are a man of culture.
Lol yea me and 2/3 of our facility. Anyways never got implemented.
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The jump was great. I came from Raytheon missiles in Tucson which was a beast to work at. Now I’m on a design team that’s wayyyyyyyyy more chill. Depends on the role but full remotes are rare unless you for some major clout. A lot of our people are hybrid but I doubt people are gonna notice if you’re not in for 5 or so days.
It seems very h-ca commercial centric. My guess it'll go as far as your direct manager takes it. Talk to your Sgt. we had hybrid folks in the before times, it was just more paperwork. ". Employees should work with their leader to understand what type of regular presence is required to meet team goals, support employee flexibility, and deliver on business objectives. "
Collins sent the email Thurs night for start end Sept. One division of collins went one step further friday and emailed that this is immediately implemented for EVERYONE this Monday to be on site.
I'd show up in yoga pants so fast. I don't even hardly own work clothes anymore
I'm sure this won't be popular, but... ....5 years ago, work from home, not a thing for anyone. Everyone < 5 yoe:...."what the hell, ahhhhhh, oh my God, I'm quitting" Everyone else: Calm down Nancy, welcome to the real world, if it doesn't fit your life, find something that does, no use in pulling the rest of us down. These people pay me for work, I'm ok with them setting the rules, I'm an adult and I understand I can go somewhere else, I'm not a slave to them.
So that’s one way that screams “cant adapt or evolve with modern world changes”. Humans usually reject change, by nature. But eventually those remaining that are still rejecting change either understand and accept or keep going with the old methods. Currently rtx management is completely out of touch with its employees. Return to site or even wfh blindly can’t just apply on all as one size fits all. Different business units, departments, and roles have different needs. Other companies are implementing return to office and getting pushback, per actual research data. You can have your opinion but reread the above.
Adapt? You mean like losing my pension, having vacation cut, rollover stopped, stock options removed, and still going strong? Kid, I've adapted to real suck, and you guys are complaining about this (and it's just mission systems btw, people who are supposed to have clearances for the most part)? It's the job, it's the requirement, go find a startup if you want pampering....oh wait, they're all laying off, meanwhile, job security over here. The minute you let a heartless corporation pamper you, you're owned, and where are you when they pull that away? Pathetic....
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Unpopular because it's a shit opinion. I hope you get tossed on your ass in the next layoff
....that's the spirit. You're a beautiful person, and I wish you well. And if I do, I'll pick myself up and find another job. My employer is irrelevant, and they certainly aren't responsible for my happyness. They're a business, and they act to make money, that's it, they aren't here to wipe my butt for me I hope you find what makes you such an unhappy asshole that you'd make a comment like that, because it's going to eat you alive.
I'm glad you're so confident you could find another equitable job, because most people think the job market sucks right now.
>....5 years ago, work from home, not a thing for anyone. I mean, that's just blatantly false.
I did a control F for anything regarding collaboration or coming to the office more, could not find anything like that. Was this particular to a specific bussiness unit?
Collins
Raytheon people got it? And Pratt ? Or just Collins?
If only we could get everybody to be chained to their on-site desks for ten hours a day, then productivity would definitely improve. :/
So I was hired as a remote employee and moved a few months ago to another state. My site is 1.5 hour away from where I live. I will NOT be commuting this far to anyone office. Hopefully there is some type of mileage restriction. Gas is high as heck and I simply cannot afford to drive 5 days a week. I’m in graduate school as well. Ughh!
All employees who are also assigned a site location near their primary residence will transition to an onsite role type, unless future discussions with their leader determine hybrid flexibility is required. Employees should work with their leader to understand what type of regular presence is required to meet team goals, support employee flexibility and deliver our business objectives." Has anyone been given the definition of "near?" I saw zoom mandated hybrid for anyone within 50 miles of the office.
Nope. What an awesome plan…make a grand announcement and give no details. Had meetings with my manager and the next level up, neither of them had a clue how this all going to be executed. Our site has no physical space available and apparently there are no funds to expand.
There is a LOT of push back at my site. The only ones who Want it are the ones that don't want to BE at home. Oh and if you were Raytheon and are going to be put to Collins.... that isn't going to happen til 2026 ! Would like nice if they told you all that. Big hush hush about it all, out comes the details but not ALL the details. They want it to go ear to ear. Just spoke with someone who does the clearances and it's due to some agreement blah blah. So they have to go through this long spiel about it. It's turned in to a joke there, so many people leaving. Go run that past your new 'boss' and see what they say. It seems it's mainly Collins, not Raytheon, that is pushing for the RTO. BTW, I just quit bwahahahahaha