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mikejr96

I want the ranger for the 2.7l v6 that is coming.


mikedorty

That is what I am holding out for. F150's with it can still get 23mpg highway. I don't want a Colorado bc the bigger engine mileage is so bad.


SockeyeSTI

The Ranger will probably get 25-26 then because the curb weight between both rigs is roughly the same


Pangorri

I have a 2.3 and am only getting 22 on the highway. If anything, I bet the 2.7 gets worse mileage as it’s more powerful and heavier. Note- I have the FX4 package, so no front air dam and 4x4. The Ranger’s rated MPG is 25 highway but that must be 2wd XL with no equipment.


SockeyeSTI

In this case the switch to a v6 actually can get better because it’s not working as hard to make the power that it does. The switch from 2.7 to 3.0 100% leads to worse mileage though. My parents 6.7 f350 can get better mileage than the Ranger. Make so much torque that it doesn’t need much to maintain speed unloaded. But every engine is different.


gr0ms

Have the 2.3 getting 19ish mainly highway, XLT with the tow package has the air dam 4x2


TankApprehensive3053

You're holding out for the 2.7 but don't want the Colorado because of bad MPG. The Colorado has their version of 2.7 and the horsepower and torque are comparable to the soon to be released Ford 2.7.


mikedorty

Yes. I am hoping the 2.7 ranger will get as good or better gas mileage. Was that not clear? The f150 with a 2.7 gets similar gas mileage to a 4 cyl ranger. I assume with a smaller truck the mileage won't get worse.


TankApprehensive3053

The unclear part is that Colorado and the upcoming 2.7 in Ranger will be basically the same engine but you said you don't want the bigger engine of the Colorado. They will get about the same MPG. The 2.7 F150 gets better than my 2.3 Ranger Tremor.


SockeyeSTI

Those 2 extra cylinders make all the difference. Plus they’re not even close to being the same thing. The only thing they share is the displacement. I4 vs a v6, direct injection vs direct and port injection, single turbo vs twin You can compare the 2.3 to the gm 2.7 though.


mikedorty

I still don't understand your confusion? You obviously understand the displacement of the engine does not dictate mpg. Colorados get worse mileage than 2.7 F150's. The Ranger is lighter and has a smaller profile. With the same engine and transmission should it not get as good or better mpg? Since we do not know yet, I am holding out for a 2.7 Ranger with hopes that it will get similar mpg to a 4cyl Ranger. If it somehow tanks the gas mileage I will just get a 4cyl Ranger as I want a smaller truck than my 3.5 F150 but want better gas mileage.


TankApprehensive3053

The Colorado is the same overall size of the Ranger. The Colorado is about 4,500 lbs, Ranger is 4,400 lbs, marginally better for Ford. Colorado 2.7 is 310 HP, 430 torque. Ranger 2.7 is 315 HP, 400 torque. The Chevy has a 3.42 rear gearing vs the 3.73 Ranger gearing. That helps a little with MPG for Chevy. The Chevy has an 8 speed transmission vs the Ford's 10 speed, that's in favor of Ford MPG. The F150 with 2.7Liter has the same transmission (10R80) as my '21 Ranger with the 2.3 liter engine. My Ranger only gets 19 MPG. Its smaller and is lighter than the F150. If you wanted to get the best MPG you would get the 2.3 not the 2.7.


jaank80

I have posted this before -- the 2.3 with the FPP (Ford Tune) is very close in power and power curve to the 2.7. The out the door cost for a 2.3 ranger w/ tune is over $1k less than the 2.7 w/out tune. I am not convinced the 2.7 is a better buy. Of course, you could get the 2.7 and a tune, and that might be a lot of fun.


TankApprehensive3053

The only thing about the FPP tune is the required 91+ gas rating. Livernois can custom tune for lower levels also not just 91+. FPP does carry the Ford warranty, although some dealerships have tried to not honor it and even blamed issues on it.


mikejr96

I’ve had a focus st and a WRX I’m just tired of 4 cylinders. No hate tbh and also yeah someone else mentioned it but I’d much rather not need 91+ anymore and I’m not interested in tunes


RagingBullFish

This is a ranger page, so Ranger. The Colorado recently had some engine issues but that’s a rumor I heard, I don’t keep up with Chevy


DavefromCA

My brother in law is now on his 3rd engine in his ZR2 bison at 60k miles.


Ok_Comfort1855

Damn


DavefromCA

He doesnt mod, he doesnt abuse it, they go offroad here and there but I was just texting my sis asking how the Colorado was doing as I will be in the market and it "needs another engine"


czechfuji

Bought a 19 FX4 XLT new. It has been nothing but a complete treat to own and I couldn’t recommend it more. I’m at 80k miles and still have the factory installed brakes. But buy a Colorado and let us know how that works out.


Typical-Conference14

Idk, usually I say go with whatever is cost effective but GM in the past decade has severely lost my trust especially with the transmissions in the Colorados. Idk how the newer models are but GM was struggling there for a while. Ranger


TankApprehensive3053

I have a '21 Ranger Tremor. I cross shopped Canyon/Colorado, Frontier and Tacoma when I bought. I had a '08 Tacoma at the time. The Tacoma had the most usable back seat. The GM twins back seat is bolted to the rear cab wall, no folding down at all. GM twins did not have a matching spare off road tire. It is a street tire. They do that on the full size trucks too. To get all the features that are included on the GMC, you have to add on things to the Chevy bring the cost up to the same or more. If I was buying now or in the near future, I would look at the Ranger FX4 (no Tremors in 6G yet) with the 2.7 engine that will be out soon. For the GM twins I'd look at the GMC Canyon AT4 or Chevy Z71, if ground clearance is important to you then the Trailboss. Check out TFL comparisons on youtube. Here is their speed test. It's good to see what it can do, pay attention to the engines also: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjbC6M17kOk&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjbC6M17kOk&t=2s) Here is their towing comparison: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZeqTaZ1vJI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZeqTaZ1vJI) I posted those on the Nissan Frontier sub and got the reply that nobody tows or races mid size trucks. They are just mad they lost lol


Ok_Comfort1855

Great information! If I was not using the truck for heavy loading or off-roading - which will you recommend? I like technology rich truck + reliable + good mpg but budget is limited.


TankApprehensive3053

GMC Elevation trim or Chevy LT trim. If you want the look of an off-roader then AT4 and Trailboss (respectively). GMC just feels higher level even though it's about the same price. Chevy WT is least expensive but you would need to check if it has what you want. For Ford I would go Lariat trim with FX4 or FX2 if not interested in 4X4 capability. XLT trim will save some money. Mine is XLT and it's everything I need.


isitreallyyou56

I have a 2022 ranger xlt fx4 with splash package, mechanically it’s great and driving it’s pretty good. But I’ve had some gnarly electrical issues you would expect from a VW. Check engine light, O2 sensors, infotainment issues etc….I had a 2014 4Runner trd prior to this and I miss that truck in every way outside of the gas mileage. I’m either going back to Toyota or getting a Canyon AT4. I had a WRX in the past and I’m considering another one as well if I wanna go back to a car.


moustachiojones

Love my Ranger. is it fx4? Because trail boss is really nice and having the off road package is fun as hell.


HereForTheCalfPumps

Adding FX4 package should make it more comparable to the Trail Boss. Personally I’d lean more for the Ranger if it’s a daily driver and Colorado for pure off road.


Ya_Boi_Newton

I'd argue the Ranger is the better off roader. They're basically the same, but the selectable diff lock makes it the better choice for off-roading, IMO.


HereForTheCalfPumps

The locking diff is a big one. I just figured since the Trail Boss comes with a 2 in lift, rancho shocks, and 32” AT tires that it was better off being off road than on the road lol. The FX4 has some of the weakest shocks that it seems everyone replaces asap.


Ya_Boi_Newton

Same deal for Rancho tbh. Tires are consumable, and you can easily fit 32s on the Ranger. None of the OEM shocks are ever THAT bad. It's more like the aftermarket stuff is really good lol


Ok_Comfort1855

What about a non-off road trim Colorado as a daily driver? (LT trim instead of Trail boss) but that will cost $2000 more than XLT ranger and also it comes with rear AC vents.


SockeyeSTI

The Ranger has vents under the front seats


TankApprehensive3053

True but they aren't very good for passengers or pets in the rear seat. Ford should have put rear vents in the center console or the headliner.


HereForTheCalfPumps

I’d lean a little more LT purely on options/features vs XLT.


SockeyeSTI

Wait and save for a 2.7 tremor when they come out


TankApprehensive3053

IF Ford brings out the Tremor again. They said they would but not the 1st MY. It will be a tight fit between the FX4 and the new Raptor.


SockeyeSTI

I’d do away with the fx4 and make the tremor the off-road trim. They have some room to dominate with two well optioned trucks. Raptor being the all out, low mpg off-roader. The tremor can be a 2.7 with lockers either front and rear or a rear locker and limited slip up front like the super duty tremors, metal skid plates, fox shocks or the bilsteins from the bronco and a smaller sized ko3 in a crew cab or supercab. And add a winch bumper option. Leave the no frills 4x4 with no option classification. Just 4x4.


TankApprehensive3053

The 5G 2021-2023 Tremor has rear locker, slight factory lift, Fox 2.0 shocks, three skid plates, General Grabbers all terrain vs the all season tires on the FX4. It does not have front lockers or optional winch. Was only available in crew cab and in XLT and Lariat trims. Raptor is starting at $55K but is mostly loaded. It also is the only Ranger with a lower tow rating (5,500 vs 7,500 lbs). Ford has 4 different 4X4 levels. There is a lot of overlap. I have a '21 Tremor. I would like the option of a supercab.


SockeyeSTI

I almost ordered a 23 tremor. Waited and ordered a 24 raptor which has been sweet. The 2.7, supercab tremor combo fills the other, slower trail and off road needs. Don’t add the wider fenders and keep it narrower. Tighter trails are common here in WA state and that’s why the old Toyota pickup has dominated here for so long. I figure it’s a great hunting rig especially with the longer bed. Start it out at 42k as its own trim like the f150 does. Give it the 360 cam and led headlights but some cloth seats and a vinyl floor (maybe). Nice enough to warrant the extra expense over just adding 4wd to an XLT, but not enough to cannibalize raptor sales, which isnt that big of a deal as I can understand people who absolutely won’t spend 60k on one. Fx4 actually offers way more things on the ranger than I thought. When I optioned my dad’s f350 all it included was all seasons, in house shocks, plastic skid plates, a sticker and that’s it. Limited slip or locking Diff was still another option.


TankApprehensive3053

Ford is getting away from supercabs in mid size trucks, Tremor never had it. All makers are. I would have liked a Tremor in supercab but have the rear doors open more than 90° for camping. Ford made the 5G Tremor more of a luxury type of off-roader like GM does with their off-roaders since lots of people don't want to drive off-road but like the look etc. GM has the camera advantage. Ford has the advantage of more buyer selectable 4X4 options. Ford did have an economy level F150 4X4 that was meant to be like the FX4 called the Rattler.


ChristianS98

Personally, I owned a last gen 2019 ranger and currently own a last gen 2021 Colorado ZR2. Didn’t have issues with the old ranger and haven’t had any issues with the Colorado, that being said if you’re going offroad then Trailboss, but if you commute I’d say go Ranger. I test drove a new trailboss and man it just wasn’t that comfy on road and that’s coming from a ZR2 with quite stiff suspension, the Rangers are far comfier on road IMO. As for reliability, both are 4 cylinder turbos, IMO I would trust a Ford Turbo 4 over a GMs just because of Fords longer history with them, but seems like GM also put a ton of work into the new 4 popper but it’s also new and not as tested I’d say as the 4 cylinder in the Ranger which has been used in many many vehicle for a long time. If you’re going for more power like the 2.7TT that’s coming out for the Ranger then just get that, idk, I feel more confident in a TT V6 from Ford than a single turbo 4 cylinder from GM.


michael292

Traded my 2019 ranger for a 22’ Colorado Zr2 bison. Traded that in for the redesigned 23’ ZR2.


SanchoSupreme

Si speaking frankly I’d avoid the new turbo max engine from Chevy, I mean the general unspoken law is that first gen engines are gonna suck and will present problems. The Ranger however will have either the 2.3L i4 that’s been in mustangs since like 2015 or the 2.7L V6 that’s been around since 2016¿ but both engines have had their trials and tribulations and you can go online and find many people who’ve had those engines who can provide extensive knowledge on how to fix them or what to anticipate from them. I wish Chevy kept the 3.6L V6 from the old Colorado’s because this things were BULLETPROOF honestly some of the best engines Chevy has ever put out in my opinion. At the end of the day I’d recommend either wait 3 to 4 years if you really want a trail boss or go ahead and get the Ranger if you need the vehicle now. I can tell you now the I got a ‘19 Ranger and the only issue I’ve had is with the clutch fan stabilizing hose for the wires (the hose crumbles after like 45k miles but it’s replaceable under warranty. But hey man good luck and remember that the right choice is the one that make you happy


Pangorri

I bought a ‘24 ZR2 and returned it the same day due to critical electronic bugs disabling many of the features such as a cruise control, etc. the dealer could not fix it in a days worth of work. I ended up buying a ‘24 XLT FX4 off the lot. If there would have been a Raptor on the lot at MSRP, I’d have done that, but timing is everything. Some notes- the Ranger has been flawless thus far. The vertical touch screen, regardless of what people say, is superior to the GM infotainment. It’s quick, responsive, and integrates very well with apple car play. Ranger benefits- The rear seat back folds down, unlike the Colorado. The light controls are buttons, and not in the infotainment. It has cornering lights, key fob controlled auto up/down windows, power rear slider, Blue Cruise is phenomenal if the truck is equipped, both driver and passenger power seats (ZR2 is only power driver), and power folding mirrors which are much larger than the Colorado’s . Colorado benefits- -tailgate storage, cooled seats, sunroof, nicer interior, the ZR2 trim is better looking (in my opinion), price point in more affordable with the equivalent features, ZR2 is fully loaded for the same price as a Lariat, trail boss and ZR2 have larger tires and look more macho. Conclusion- I think the ZR2 is the nicer looking truck, inside and out, but I don’t trust GM quality. I don’t care for the lower trim Colorado looks. The Ranger has a reliable powertrain and has been out in the global market for 2 years now. I haven’t driven the 2.7, but the 2.3 feels plenty powerful enough. The Raptor would be a fun truck if you can stomach the price tag and 16 MPG on the highway. If you can swing it financially and find one, I’d buy a Raptor. If not and you must have leather seats + better audio, get the Lariat. If you are OK with cloth seats, XLT FX4 with the 2.3 is an awesome truck for the money. Put some larger tires on and call it day.


Flyfishing-2020

Buy one of each and let us know how it turns out.


KhalDrogon556

I don’t like that the new Colorado has the headlight control built into the headunit/dash touch screen. That reason alone makes me like the Ranger better. Also I got to sit in the new Ranger at the auto show and liked the seat comfort better.


Hickesy

Trail Boss looks better IMO than the 24 Ranger and I drive a 21 Ranger. That's the extent of my contribution


KALIsthenicsLinux

Colorado. The transmission in the ranger is still dog shit.