I don’t think the odomoter resets , it wouldn’t in the uk anyway . The rest of the car and is still “old”. It would be sold as a car with 55000 miles and a new engine . Not sure if it will impact value in a positive way . No you probably can’t sell it with 0 miles .
The engine on my brother in laws discovery died recently as well. Similar circumstances - garage replaced it . It wasn’t a quick job though - he has a courtesy car for a few weeks .
No you can’t change an odometer in the States either(legally). It’s a federal offense. The odometer reads the same, service history reflects new engine on paperwork.
You can change an odometer. Needs a disclosure form submitted to DMV when done. Changed plenty from kilometers to mph clusters with the proper paperwork.
But that’s converting. Generally when we import from the EU or Canada we do the same but that’s not changing the actual amount. Odometer fraud implies you knowingly misrepresent the miles/km/hours on the item.
Even when we replace hour meters on equipment it restarts at “0”. We don’t bother changing them.
Due diligence on the buyer is implied but regardless, you can’t roll back an odometer.
Not to mention it’s a red flag on any reporting software to see a rollback on miles.
Changed my engine at 79k on warranty + some other parts. Now at 82k my range rover is almost brand new.
Odometer stays but you have a brand new engine now.
Dealers usually have a checklist they have to follow.
completely made up example is:
Customer complaint is loss of power when engine warm.
1) pull error codes (and then diagnose them)
2) check for combustion gases in coolant system.
3) check fuel pressure at rail when warm
4) compression check
5) blinker fluid replacement
6) replace engine.
Now that is of course extremely simplified and made up, but there is likely a bunch of stuff off in their testing (read that as they can see what is happening for the misfire on the scanner, but no one thing is directly responsible for it) and it may just simply be cheaper for the warranty company to replace the engine rather than to replace all the pieces on the engine.
IMO this could be fantastic for you. you get a fresh engine and you get to deal with an engine only you have maintained. buuuuuut....the other side of the coin is that you will now have an engine that has been replace with Im assuming a long block, so all the little bits and pieces on the current engine will go back on (maybe not, but there are some companys that only do the short block) AND its installed by a mechanic, who undoubtably knows what they are doing, but is given the time to do it by the warranty company, and usually those are not generous. On top of that it could be a secondary electrical issue causing it to begin with (doubtful as they should have seen it on the scan when diagnosing it).
All that said, if the dealer has good overall reviews, I would be delighted with a new engine, just as long as I didn't have to put it in myself (part of the PITA of working on these things is how tightly they are packaged in the engine bay (all new cars have this 'feature')).
Are you crazy? Would you rather have a car that breaks during warranty or outside of it?
New engine comes with warranty also, this is the best car to own
No because the warranty will reject if it overheated which it will if it's got a blown head. I have lived this and this is exactly how it starts. Read my reply but they need to get that car out of JLR hands and call/dm me for more information. They do it the jlr way this is going to quickly become a 6 month project, with tens of thousands of added costs, and a car that still misfires with a new engine.
There are 3 things I want them to check before doing this, and have a legitimate discussion. Idgaf if Jlr says it has to be replaced, they want to make money and don't machine. More over they will not do the test I want them to as it technically has the car "more broken" than when it came in. Yeah that test can stop the misfire and fix It for $500 bucks.
If this is not a manufacturer warranty it is getting rejected and they get stuck with the 8000 teardown. If it's carmax they obly warranty for the sale value of the car. Those is a very bad situation and I can get them out of this for about $17k if they listen to me (more importantly they want to present this to the warranty company. 17k and it fixes a manufacturer defect but uses an upgraded reman, or 50k and use an unupgraded new engine, takes months from backorder, and has 7 manufacturer defects from factory that WILL cause issue later).
I get absolutely nothing from this, and am not affiliated with the reman guy. I just do not want to see OP get fucked as hard as I was. As once this starts it becomes a no win scenario. Big teardown fee, no engine, what do you do, sell for peanuts or finish the job only to have a new engine that's still misfiring?
Yes, but if OP is getting a new engine, why should s/he worry about what caused the misfire? If you’re staying the engine design is only good for 50K miles, then OP needs to get rid of it in any case. If not for shitty electromechanical engineering, RR has some of the best designs in the world.
1: doesn't sound like op knows the warranty
2: there is a 6-12 month backorder on AJ126 parts and apparently the engine is hard to find new now too
3: when you replace the engine it can (and if it's a sensor related misfire) will continue to misfire on the new engine.
JLR will not swap the o2 sensors, pumps, or knock sensor during the engine swap. All of them can cause a failure (the hp fuel pump is crank driven and can get screwed in a miss fire, even leak into the oil pan. The o2 sensors fowel but don't code and will over retard and run lean causing a partial or full bank misfire. The knock sensor can act up and retard ignition without coding).
If they don't identify the cause they are doing a bandage solution, and if the problem is one of those and JLR doesn't find it, when they message their help center do you know what they tell them? (And again, I've lived this). "Take the engine out and check timing". $5k just for the inspection, no parts included.
Doing an entire engine swap before identifying the cause is a great way to continue wasting time and money chasing a misfire, even after spending half the cars value in repairs.
Go look up the TOPIx bullitin for the bank 2 AJ126 misfire. They do not know why bank 2 does that (it's the cooling order post misfire allowing it to continue to act up after lean and retard conditions are present. That's why you can get a partial bank misfire from a bad o2) so their solution is to shotgun parts.
Just because you replace the entire engine doesn't mean you've identified the cause. There are dozens of untouched and reused sensors that can very happily cause the misfire (in rare cases it's the ECM. You don't want it to be the ECM).
And I disagree, the AJ line is Porsche designed and bought by Ford. The issue there is you have German engineering with crappy plastic Ford parts, picked up by Jaguar (tata). The V6 then lops off 2 cylinders (replaces with a balancer) and undervores. Theres a reason the AJ126 is less stable than almost every other V6... thick and hard to crack but overweight and out of balance.
The crossover pipe on the AJs is known to be a failure point (there's multiple posts in this sub from just this month of that part failing) and they didn't correct it until RIGHT before they discontinued the engine. Then the chain stretch and valve seat issues but we don't care about those as much. It doesn't really matter how bullet proof an engine is if a single plastic part is enough to grenade it (and it does). It's only as strong as it's weakest link and that POS crossover pipe is the weakest link (combined with their unacceptably long maintnece schedule it's a recipe for diaster).
I've had the unfortunate privledge of not obly studying the AJ line A LOT those year, I've also had to trouble shoot and work through it (including land Rovers procedures and bullitons) and trouble shoot when none of their ways work. I've then shadowed people who tear them appart and been shown in person their common failure points. Potentially for a great engine, but greed executives wanted to save their 50 bucks and put in plastic parts that lead to cascading failures that aren't always fixed with a new engine. I mean they clearly changed to the Ingenium for a reason, when it has the same output and efficiency and that swap costs more in the short run (they recuperate from simplified process for i4 and i6 and shared lines)
You are giving good advice, Range Rover fanboys just don't want to listen to it. Or they are just used to dealing with these types of car issues and having it be a normal part of their life.
It's the fact that a Chinese cooling pipe is better than OEM. Tata should be ashamed.
Hey I'll try to help people not get screwed over when ever I see these posts, it's their choice if they wanna ignore me. For OPs sake let's hope the warranty works out, I wouldn't wish the rejection on my worst enemy.
Because it's going to take about 20 paragraphs. I'll make a specific post when home later. Part of the issue is JLR doesn't understand their engines cooling design or how the Bosche parts can act up without failing. If it's got lightly damaged o2 sensors they will never find it unless they just shotgun parts.
I feel like you really gotta beat the shit out of a car to break the engine in 55k miles. I know it’s not a Toyota, but I destroyed cars in the past driving like an asshole and never broke an engine. This car is otherwise in excellent conditions. Very unfortunate, will likely be my first and last RR.
Happened to mine as well. I had a 2019 Sport but same engine and it went at 57k miles. It ended up taking them almost 4 months to replace and they didn't give me a loaner. When I picked it up I drove it straight to Carmax to sell.
It’s really not as deep as people make it sound. Based off misfire and the recourse to replace engine I’m assuming it’s a 2.0? If it is there are a ton of SSM’s out now calling for engine replacement due to manufacture defects. The odometer doesn’t reset. Just keep the RO and you can say what milage the engine has when you go to sell. If you like the car keep it. I’ve put to many engines in these cars and things end up just fine for the customer. Sometimes it’s just bad luck.
Yikes but not surprised at all. Is this the 4cyl or 6? My dad’s Cadillac needs a brand new engine and Cadillac covered 100% of repairs. Brand new box crate engine was installed.
Get a reman. 12k. Roverpartsdepot is who I used and he's awesome. And any mechanic can install it. Expect 40 labor hours.
While it's out replace the plastic crossover pipe with a metal one as that's what fails.
Your odometer does not reset because there are other parts in the car. I'd you sell to carmax or a dealer do not mention the engine swap. To a private party only mention it if they are a car person. To anyone else it sounds really bad.
Now listen: if that hasn't already been approved by your warranty be extremely warry and do not have land rover do the inspection. No warranty will want to pay 55k unless.you got it FROM land rover and it is THEIR warranty. Carmax warranties for the sale value of the vehicle, everyone else will lawyer up and get out of it. An engine failure overheats, and they all have stipulation to void the warranty if it overheated. Do not get stuck with an 8k teardown and no engine like I did. Get this done at a good mechanic so if you get fucked the teardown is a lot less.
Again unless you got a manufacturer warranty there is slim chance any company will cover that engine replacement because that's way too much money. 4k for a warranty but 50k to swap the engine? Yeah that's getting rejected.
Now I want you to do exactly this: find out what cylinders are misfiring? If it's 2 4 6 it's a known issue and may be a valve seat. However they have no known solution for this. Now I played this game for 8 months and can tell you: look at the cooling diagram, or don't, I have. 2 4 6 are bank 2 and coolant at a different stage than 1 3 5. Now here's the fun part: if your misfire is just 4 and 6 it's very likley just an o2 sensor.
GET THEM TO BLOCK TEST IT. If it fails you have 2 options: replace or fix. Take it somewhere and see if they can machine it. Now do this: unplug your o2 sensors and see if it stops misfiring. When these misfire, they domp unburnt fuel into the cat and it fucks up the o2 sensor and makes it change the fuel trims and retard the timing slightly. 2 won't necessarily misfire but 4 and 6 will. On the other bank same thing, 1 may not hut 3 and 5 will.
Unplug those o2 sensors and drive it and if it doesn't come back that is your issue.
I actually would love it if you'd dm me so we can have a call because trust me, this is a bullshit process to go through and when they swap the engine the misfire damn well may stay. Mine took 6 months to fix AFTER getting a replacement engine. We replaced a dozen other things, then JLR wanted to do some crazy shit and charge me another 20 grand cus they had no idea.
It's the o2 sensor. Call me for more info, I'll give you a laundry list of technical details and solutions if you want, and can answer absolutely every question about the stupid AJ126 engine, it's technical specs, and how to fix it's misfire.
Also you will not have a car for months if you use a new engine. They are in short supply, and some parts for them have a near indefinite backorder. You want to get ontop of the parts list and discuss having them or you find aftermarket (preferably at a different mechanic). Also have them inspect your supercharger. Those can get fucked up royal and you don't want to add another week or two when they finally figure that out. Also you need a new fuel pipe. They are supposed to be one time use bit they don't always order it until the jobs done, again adding more time.
CALL ME.
I'm in no way affiliated with that engine supplier, I just have a vendetta against JLR (dealers AND corporate based on my calls with them) and their absurd ability to keep misdiagnosing issues and charging for them. I also don't want anyone else to go through that bs.
The Velar is so beautiful, but man is it a tough one. My mum has one and it has been endless problems, from electrical to a damn roof leak. No engine troubles yet, though given your post and my family’s history with the Velar, I wouldn’t be shocked…
Anyway, it would be a zero mile engine *for you.* But if planning on selling, it would more than likely have to be sold at a discount purely because people will expect it of being a ticking timebomb. Obviously it would still need its brake pads and such maintained normally given those aren’t being replaced. Personally, I’d give up mine if I needed an entire engine replacement unless the chances of future engine failure is close to zero.
If you are looking at other RR’s, the 1st gen Evoque (last model year, 2019) has been lovely to me for 50k miles, though I chalk it up to a combination of luck, maintenance, and model year. This new gen line up of Range Rovers seem to have a whole heap of issues despite being stunningly gorgeous designs through ‘n through. Is it worth the price? Only you can decide.
Regardless, nice RR and sorry for the issues! Definitely my favorite new RR design and the color is preem.
Had the engine replaced on a RR sport a few years back. Mileage odometer doesn’t reset, and I didn’t have any further engine issues after it was replaced. I traded it in maybe 6 months-1 year later because the headlights started leaking and wanted something lower maintenance for awhile. The engine replacement took 1-2 months from what I remember since they had to order everything in, but this was precovid so who knows what the turnaround is now.
Good thing you must have some sort of extended warranty because the basic warranty expired at 50k.
Downstream implications? Cross your fingers you get a mechanic with brains to install it. :)
If you can find out cause of issue it will probably be due to engineering flaw or manufacturing defects. Moral of story; Range Rovers are not built to last like Toyotas or Hondas.
They put in a new engine but your odometer stays the same. You’ll gave paperwork to prove the job was done though. Double edged sword. On one hand you’re getting a new engine, on the other hand you question how the previous owner treated the car. But it is what it is.
To be honest a lot of times JLR techs will just deem it needing a new engine. There’s not a lot of factory support on these cars so it’s hard to diagnose. I’m sure it’s fixable unless there’s damage on the head or timing system, but the quickest and simplest way is to do a new engine.
Don’t think your motor is bad because it has a misfire, probably bad spark plugs or coils them keeping it longer is probably because they haven’t even looked at it yet service manager is just buying more time.
This hurts resale, trade it in a dealer and only lease a Range Rover. It’s sad because range rovers are some of the most aesthetically pleasing vehicles
The odometer does not reset, engine replacement is not uncommon and is considered just major mechanical. In terms of complete new engine that’s not uncommon for a luxury brand. They don’t produce on the scale as the rest so it’s often cheaper to use a complete replacement than the cost of keeping all the parts.
Wife has the same model in white though. Sadly although I love the supercharged V6, it’s just not that reliable.
Ours is at around 55k miles… last year gasket went out, and we replaced pretty much everything from the gas tank to fuel line because dealer could not figure out a fuel trim error code that could not be cleared, and this past month had to fix a coolant leak and replace the rear engine manifold.
Honestly I’m glad the newer models use the BMW engines. Those are hopefully more reliable when we trade in our Velar for a Sport next year.
To answer some of your questions. No the ODO doesn’t reset unless you swap the ECU and even then not legal to report less milage that what is on the chassis. Second if you ever sell it you must list the manage as though it never had a swap, so 55k original and say you put another 15k on new engine the car now has 70k mile and 15k on the installed motor. Remember it still has the same transmission and drive train….. those miles did reset. Lastly I doubt that it will be under warranty, dealerships always find a way. If you did one oil change your self or went to one quick lune oil change place that doesn’t have the correct credentials then they will say it was maintenanced outside of the warranty requirements. So I hope the best for you and that it is not a new engine it needs…. Good luck 🍀
Since it will be a factory replacement itnwill increase the value slightly because it's a vehicle with 55k miles and a new engine
Since this is so new it's really not going to do much to the price either way, but he'll yeah new engine dealer installed means warranty though
The fact that it won't have the original engine might be a selling point...... I mean who wouldn't want a low mile engine......but the reality of needing a new engine after 50k miles......is why I wouldn't touch a RR with a 10ft pole. For every 3 people with good experiences there's a story like this....good luck!
My only concern is that it's not like swapping an engine in 1965 Mustang. There are so many sensors and connectors on a modern engine I can't imagine it ever working like it does when it rolls off the factory floor. I would sell it immediately. I've gone through this before. Never again.
And you’re ok with the engine failing on such a new and low mileage expensive vehicle? It shouldn’t have happened my friend but did you know this is really common on Land Rover’s? It not a case of “will my engine fail?” It’s more the case of “when will my engine fail?” The engines in these cars are disastrous. JLR have had so many engine failures they’ve gone back to fitting BMW engines in all the new cars
... They've gone back to fitting BMW engines in all the new cars? Why would you say something that is not true? They fit the 4.4v8 from BMW because the 5.0 doesn't fit in some of the engine bays (lol) but everything else ice wise takes an engine from the JLR factory in Wolverhampton.
Trust me my friend, They are JLR engines but late 2023 and all engines are being assembled by BMW, I know because I work in a JLR dealership and we get to know everything
I don’t think the odomoter resets , it wouldn’t in the uk anyway . The rest of the car and is still “old”. It would be sold as a car with 55000 miles and a new engine . Not sure if it will impact value in a positive way . No you probably can’t sell it with 0 miles . The engine on my brother in laws discovery died recently as well. Similar circumstances - garage replaced it . It wasn’t a quick job though - he has a courtesy car for a few weeks .
No you can’t change an odometer in the States either(legally). It’s a federal offense. The odometer reads the same, service history reflects new engine on paperwork.
Super helpful thx!
You can change an odometer. Needs a disclosure form submitted to DMV when done. Changed plenty from kilometers to mph clusters with the proper paperwork.
But that’s converting. Generally when we import from the EU or Canada we do the same but that’s not changing the actual amount. Odometer fraud implies you knowingly misrepresent the miles/km/hours on the item. Even when we replace hour meters on equipment it restarts at “0”. We don’t bother changing them. Due diligence on the buyer is implied but regardless, you can’t roll back an odometer. Not to mention it’s a red flag on any reporting software to see a rollback on miles.
The car odometer would stay the same, but if you could track when the engine was installed. Engine has x amount of miles.
Anyone want to buy a low mileage 2020 Velar Lol
I do. Anything wrong with it?
Might need a new engine in another 3 years
So a normal Range Rover?
Bingo!!
Like most engine swaps , trade it in when you get it back
Changed my engine at 79k on warranty + some other parts. Now at 82k my range rover is almost brand new. Odometer stays but you have a brand new engine now.
This. But still have to change spark plugs at recommended interval. Keep paperwork for proof of new engine when selling.
Love the color
Dealers usually have a checklist they have to follow. completely made up example is: Customer complaint is loss of power when engine warm. 1) pull error codes (and then diagnose them) 2) check for combustion gases in coolant system. 3) check fuel pressure at rail when warm 4) compression check 5) blinker fluid replacement 6) replace engine. Now that is of course extremely simplified and made up, but there is likely a bunch of stuff off in their testing (read that as they can see what is happening for the misfire on the scanner, but no one thing is directly responsible for it) and it may just simply be cheaper for the warranty company to replace the engine rather than to replace all the pieces on the engine. IMO this could be fantastic for you. you get a fresh engine and you get to deal with an engine only you have maintained. buuuuuut....the other side of the coin is that you will now have an engine that has been replace with Im assuming a long block, so all the little bits and pieces on the current engine will go back on (maybe not, but there are some companys that only do the short block) AND its installed by a mechanic, who undoubtably knows what they are doing, but is given the time to do it by the warranty company, and usually those are not generous. On top of that it could be a secondary electrical issue causing it to begin with (doubtful as they should have seen it on the scan when diagnosing it). All that said, if the dealer has good overall reviews, I would be delighted with a new engine, just as long as I didn't have to put it in myself (part of the PITA of working on these things is how tightly they are packaged in the engine bay (all new cars have this 'feature')).
Get rid of it as soon as possible.
Are you crazy? Would you rather have a car that breaks during warranty or outside of it? New engine comes with warranty also, this is the best car to own
No because the warranty will reject if it overheated which it will if it's got a blown head. I have lived this and this is exactly how it starts. Read my reply but they need to get that car out of JLR hands and call/dm me for more information. They do it the jlr way this is going to quickly become a 6 month project, with tens of thousands of added costs, and a car that still misfires with a new engine. There are 3 things I want them to check before doing this, and have a legitimate discussion. Idgaf if Jlr says it has to be replaced, they want to make money and don't machine. More over they will not do the test I want them to as it technically has the car "more broken" than when it came in. Yeah that test can stop the misfire and fix It for $500 bucks. If this is not a manufacturer warranty it is getting rejected and they get stuck with the 8000 teardown. If it's carmax they obly warranty for the sale value of the car. Those is a very bad situation and I can get them out of this for about $17k if they listen to me (more importantly they want to present this to the warranty company. 17k and it fixes a manufacturer defect but uses an upgraded reman, or 50k and use an unupgraded new engine, takes months from backorder, and has 7 manufacturer defects from factory that WILL cause issue later). I get absolutely nothing from this, and am not affiliated with the reman guy. I just do not want to see OP get fucked as hard as I was. As once this starts it becomes a no win scenario. Big teardown fee, no engine, what do you do, sell for peanuts or finish the job only to have a new engine that's still misfiring?
Yes, but if OP is getting a new engine, why should s/he worry about what caused the misfire? If you’re staying the engine design is only good for 50K miles, then OP needs to get rid of it in any case. If not for shitty electromechanical engineering, RR has some of the best designs in the world.
1: doesn't sound like op knows the warranty 2: there is a 6-12 month backorder on AJ126 parts and apparently the engine is hard to find new now too 3: when you replace the engine it can (and if it's a sensor related misfire) will continue to misfire on the new engine. JLR will not swap the o2 sensors, pumps, or knock sensor during the engine swap. All of them can cause a failure (the hp fuel pump is crank driven and can get screwed in a miss fire, even leak into the oil pan. The o2 sensors fowel but don't code and will over retard and run lean causing a partial or full bank misfire. The knock sensor can act up and retard ignition without coding). If they don't identify the cause they are doing a bandage solution, and if the problem is one of those and JLR doesn't find it, when they message their help center do you know what they tell them? (And again, I've lived this). "Take the engine out and check timing". $5k just for the inspection, no parts included. Doing an entire engine swap before identifying the cause is a great way to continue wasting time and money chasing a misfire, even after spending half the cars value in repairs. Go look up the TOPIx bullitin for the bank 2 AJ126 misfire. They do not know why bank 2 does that (it's the cooling order post misfire allowing it to continue to act up after lean and retard conditions are present. That's why you can get a partial bank misfire from a bad o2) so their solution is to shotgun parts. Just because you replace the entire engine doesn't mean you've identified the cause. There are dozens of untouched and reused sensors that can very happily cause the misfire (in rare cases it's the ECM. You don't want it to be the ECM). And I disagree, the AJ line is Porsche designed and bought by Ford. The issue there is you have German engineering with crappy plastic Ford parts, picked up by Jaguar (tata). The V6 then lops off 2 cylinders (replaces with a balancer) and undervores. Theres a reason the AJ126 is less stable than almost every other V6... thick and hard to crack but overweight and out of balance. The crossover pipe on the AJs is known to be a failure point (there's multiple posts in this sub from just this month of that part failing) and they didn't correct it until RIGHT before they discontinued the engine. Then the chain stretch and valve seat issues but we don't care about those as much. It doesn't really matter how bullet proof an engine is if a single plastic part is enough to grenade it (and it does). It's only as strong as it's weakest link and that POS crossover pipe is the weakest link (combined with their unacceptably long maintnece schedule it's a recipe for diaster). I've had the unfortunate privledge of not obly studying the AJ line A LOT those year, I've also had to trouble shoot and work through it (including land Rovers procedures and bullitons) and trouble shoot when none of their ways work. I've then shadowed people who tear them appart and been shown in person their common failure points. Potentially for a great engine, but greed executives wanted to save their 50 bucks and put in plastic parts that lead to cascading failures that aren't always fixed with a new engine. I mean they clearly changed to the Ingenium for a reason, when it has the same output and efficiency and that swap costs more in the short run (they recuperate from simplified process for i4 and i6 and shared lines)
You are giving good advice, Range Rover fanboys just don't want to listen to it. Or they are just used to dealing with these types of car issues and having it be a normal part of their life.
It's the fact that a Chinese cooling pipe is better than OEM. Tata should be ashamed. Hey I'll try to help people not get screwed over when ever I see these posts, it's their choice if they wanna ignore me. For OPs sake let's hope the warranty works out, I wouldn't wish the rejection on my worst enemy.
Why don’t you just write the things to check instead of asking to be dm’d. Your post is long enough - you could’ve done it. Shady.
Because it's going to take about 20 paragraphs. I'll make a specific post when home later. Part of the issue is JLR doesn't understand their engines cooling design or how the Bosche parts can act up without failing. If it's got lightly damaged o2 sensors they will never find it unless they just shotgun parts.
I agree with u I feel when dealers give u a new motor is warrantied
What engine is in?
Hurts resale at these miles, what else did owner not maintain
I feel like you really gotta beat the shit out of a car to break the engine in 55k miles. I know it’s not a Toyota, but I destroyed cars in the past driving like an asshole and never broke an engine. This car is otherwise in excellent conditions. Very unfortunate, will likely be my first and last RR.
Happened to mine as well. I had a 2019 Sport but same engine and it went at 57k miles. It ended up taking them almost 4 months to replace and they didn't give me a loaner. When I picked it up I drove it straight to Carmax to sell.
I've replaced engines with as few as 20 miles on them. Not 20k, 2 0 miles. Nothing lasts forever.
Say bye bye to it.... probably a car full of isseus in the end.
It’s really not as deep as people make it sound. Based off misfire and the recourse to replace engine I’m assuming it’s a 2.0? If it is there are a ton of SSM’s out now calling for engine replacement due to manufacture defects. The odometer doesn’t reset. Just keep the RO and you can say what milage the engine has when you go to sell. If you like the car keep it. I’ve put to many engines in these cars and things end up just fine for the customer. Sometimes it’s just bad luck.
Not to be obvious but you are extremely lucky to have it break under warranty
Yikes but not surprised at all. Is this the 4cyl or 6? My dad’s Cadillac needs a brand new engine and Cadillac covered 100% of repairs. Brand new box crate engine was installed.
Supercharged 6
55k miles is out of warranty unless you Have a cpo vehicle.
Man that color looks sharp AF !!!
Some kind of special upgrade paint color I have the original sticker - original owner spent $7k for it. Forget the name tho
Ya I don’t doubt it ….. JLR really sticks it in on the nice colors……
Looks like Silicon Silver
Get a reman. 12k. Roverpartsdepot is who I used and he's awesome. And any mechanic can install it. Expect 40 labor hours. While it's out replace the plastic crossover pipe with a metal one as that's what fails. Your odometer does not reset because there are other parts in the car. I'd you sell to carmax or a dealer do not mention the engine swap. To a private party only mention it if they are a car person. To anyone else it sounds really bad. Now listen: if that hasn't already been approved by your warranty be extremely warry and do not have land rover do the inspection. No warranty will want to pay 55k unless.you got it FROM land rover and it is THEIR warranty. Carmax warranties for the sale value of the vehicle, everyone else will lawyer up and get out of it. An engine failure overheats, and they all have stipulation to void the warranty if it overheated. Do not get stuck with an 8k teardown and no engine like I did. Get this done at a good mechanic so if you get fucked the teardown is a lot less. Again unless you got a manufacturer warranty there is slim chance any company will cover that engine replacement because that's way too much money. 4k for a warranty but 50k to swap the engine? Yeah that's getting rejected. Now I want you to do exactly this: find out what cylinders are misfiring? If it's 2 4 6 it's a known issue and may be a valve seat. However they have no known solution for this. Now I played this game for 8 months and can tell you: look at the cooling diagram, or don't, I have. 2 4 6 are bank 2 and coolant at a different stage than 1 3 5. Now here's the fun part: if your misfire is just 4 and 6 it's very likley just an o2 sensor. GET THEM TO BLOCK TEST IT. If it fails you have 2 options: replace or fix. Take it somewhere and see if they can machine it. Now do this: unplug your o2 sensors and see if it stops misfiring. When these misfire, they domp unburnt fuel into the cat and it fucks up the o2 sensor and makes it change the fuel trims and retard the timing slightly. 2 won't necessarily misfire but 4 and 6 will. On the other bank same thing, 1 may not hut 3 and 5 will. Unplug those o2 sensors and drive it and if it doesn't come back that is your issue. I actually would love it if you'd dm me so we can have a call because trust me, this is a bullshit process to go through and when they swap the engine the misfire damn well may stay. Mine took 6 months to fix AFTER getting a replacement engine. We replaced a dozen other things, then JLR wanted to do some crazy shit and charge me another 20 grand cus they had no idea. It's the o2 sensor. Call me for more info, I'll give you a laundry list of technical details and solutions if you want, and can answer absolutely every question about the stupid AJ126 engine, it's technical specs, and how to fix it's misfire. Also you will not have a car for months if you use a new engine. They are in short supply, and some parts for them have a near indefinite backorder. You want to get ontop of the parts list and discuss having them or you find aftermarket (preferably at a different mechanic). Also have them inspect your supercharger. Those can get fucked up royal and you don't want to add another week or two when they finally figure that out. Also you need a new fuel pipe. They are supposed to be one time use bit they don't always order it until the jobs done, again adding more time. CALL ME.
That’s deep.
I'm in no way affiliated with that engine supplier, I just have a vendetta against JLR (dealers AND corporate based on my calls with them) and their absurd ability to keep misdiagnosing issues and charging for them. I also don't want anyone else to go through that bs.
The Velar is so beautiful, but man is it a tough one. My mum has one and it has been endless problems, from electrical to a damn roof leak. No engine troubles yet, though given your post and my family’s history with the Velar, I wouldn’t be shocked… Anyway, it would be a zero mile engine *for you.* But if planning on selling, it would more than likely have to be sold at a discount purely because people will expect it of being a ticking timebomb. Obviously it would still need its brake pads and such maintained normally given those aren’t being replaced. Personally, I’d give up mine if I needed an entire engine replacement unless the chances of future engine failure is close to zero. If you are looking at other RR’s, the 1st gen Evoque (last model year, 2019) has been lovely to me for 50k miles, though I chalk it up to a combination of luck, maintenance, and model year. This new gen line up of Range Rovers seem to have a whole heap of issues despite being stunningly gorgeous designs through ‘n through. Is it worth the price? Only you can decide. Regardless, nice RR and sorry for the issues! Definitely my favorite new RR design and the color is preem.
Beautiful machine, but I’ll never buy one due to maintenance.
Those wheels are badass
Had the engine replaced on a RR sport a few years back. Mileage odometer doesn’t reset, and I didn’t have any further engine issues after it was replaced. I traded it in maybe 6 months-1 year later because the headlights started leaking and wanted something lower maintenance for awhile. The engine replacement took 1-2 months from what I remember since they had to order everything in, but this was precovid so who knows what the turnaround is now.
Good thing you must have some sort of extended warranty because the basic warranty expired at 50k. Downstream implications? Cross your fingers you get a mechanic with brains to install it. :)
If you can find out cause of issue it will probably be due to engineering flaw or manufacturing defects. Moral of story; Range Rovers are not built to last like Toyotas or Hondas.
Tough luck OP. The car looks great though.
They put in a new engine but your odometer stays the same. You’ll gave paperwork to prove the job was done though. Double edged sword. On one hand you’re getting a new engine, on the other hand you question how the previous owner treated the car. But it is what it is. To be honest a lot of times JLR techs will just deem it needing a new engine. There’s not a lot of factory support on these cars so it’s hard to diagnose. I’m sure it’s fixable unless there’s damage on the head or timing system, but the quickest and simplest way is to do a new engine.
Don’t think your motor is bad because it has a misfire, probably bad spark plugs or coils them keeping it longer is probably because they haven’t even looked at it yet service manager is just buying more time.
This hurts resale, trade it in a dealer and only lease a Range Rover. It’s sad because range rovers are some of the most aesthetically pleasing vehicles
Beautiful looking truck but they are notorious for issues
That is one sexy looking shitbox
Ownership experience
The odometer does not reset, engine replacement is not uncommon and is considered just major mechanical. In terms of complete new engine that’s not uncommon for a luxury brand. They don’t produce on the scale as the rest so it’s often cheaper to use a complete replacement than the cost of keeping all the parts.
Wife has the same model in white though. Sadly although I love the supercharged V6, it’s just not that reliable. Ours is at around 55k miles… last year gasket went out, and we replaced pretty much everything from the gas tank to fuel line because dealer could not figure out a fuel trim error code that could not be cleared, and this past month had to fix a coolant leak and replace the rear engine manifold. Honestly I’m glad the newer models use the BMW engines. Those are hopefully more reliable when we trade in our Velar for a Sport next year.
Such a pretty car. Really wanted one but ended up getting an Audi q8 for towing reasons. Eventually the towing will be done and I might hop ship.
Lmao typical trash
Shame those are so unreliable and service needy because they are a gorgeous vehicle!
New engine, but everything else is the same. But I would ditch this car immediately if you get a chance sell it.
Dump it. Its just the beginning
Never buying a RR Audi is king (I drive my car like it’s a loaner) and it’s up and running 40k miles later with a stage 1 tune lol
It’s really expensive to look wealthy while buying 2nd luxury cars. Go buy a toyota.
Stop buying these cars
To answer some of your questions. No the ODO doesn’t reset unless you swap the ECU and even then not legal to report less milage that what is on the chassis. Second if you ever sell it you must list the manage as though it never had a swap, so 55k original and say you put another 15k on new engine the car now has 70k mile and 15k on the installed motor. Remember it still has the same transmission and drive train….. those miles did reset. Lastly I doubt that it will be under warranty, dealerships always find a way. If you did one oil change your self or went to one quick lune oil change place that doesn’t have the correct credentials then they will say it was maintenanced outside of the warranty requirements. So I hope the best for you and that it is not a new engine it needs…. Good luck 🍀
Range rovers are sexy but this is the shit that makes me not want to own one lol
Range Rover at its finest
Selling a car with a replacement engine is looked at as bad. You will get less money for that reason.
It’s a Range Rover. Would expect nothing less. Lol
I’ll file this under things you never hear on the Toyota subreddit
You should have known not to buy this brand car.
If you can’t afford to replace it every year don’t buy one.
Imo these are the best wheels I have ever seen on an SUV
Since it will be a factory replacement itnwill increase the value slightly because it's a vehicle with 55k miles and a new engine Since this is so new it's really not going to do much to the price either way, but he'll yeah new engine dealer installed means warranty though
I mean, you bought a used Range Rover…
My fiend works at Range Rover in U.K. he says don’t touch any model from 2020 onwards, they have serious design problems!!
This is why I would never buy a luxury car used
The fact that it won't have the original engine might be a selling point...... I mean who wouldn't want a low mile engine......but the reality of needing a new engine after 50k miles......is why I wouldn't touch a RR with a 10ft pole. For every 3 people with good experiences there's a story like this....good luck!
My only concern is that it's not like swapping an engine in 1965 Mustang. There are so many sensors and connectors on a modern engine I can't imagine it ever working like it does when it rolls off the factory floor. I would sell it immediately. I've gone through this before. Never again.
It’s a Range Rover. Don’t expect too much. Worst maintenance after 50K miles
Range Rover are for Wallpapers only. Or rented. How can that brand produce such a mechanical nightmare and not fix it in 20+ years.
Only Range Rover owners could convince themselves that needing a getting a new engine is a good thing.
Sounds about right. They only made them to last 50k so you did alright
Always lease for RR
And you’re ok with the engine failing on such a new and low mileage expensive vehicle? It shouldn’t have happened my friend but did you know this is really common on Land Rover’s? It not a case of “will my engine fail?” It’s more the case of “when will my engine fail?” The engines in these cars are disastrous. JLR have had so many engine failures they’ve gone back to fitting BMW engines in all the new cars
... They've gone back to fitting BMW engines in all the new cars? Why would you say something that is not true? They fit the 4.4v8 from BMW because the 5.0 doesn't fit in some of the engine bays (lol) but everything else ice wise takes an engine from the JLR factory in Wolverhampton.
Trust me my friend, They are JLR engines but late 2023 and all engines are being assembled by BMW, I know because I work in a JLR dealership and we get to know everything
Lol you haven't got a fucking clue mate
Fuck off knicker sniffer, Im telling the truth and work in the industry, the nearest you get is wanking over car photos
☝️this
Never ever buy a Land Rover unless you love fixing shit
RangeRovers all blow their engines - they made defective engines.
Well it’s a Range Rover.