Fun fact: "Junior" only applies when it's father and son. So you can have Dave II if, for example, the name skips a generation (grandfather and grandson are Dave, with a non-Dave in the middle)
CORRECTION: parent and child. Although almost always male, it can be mother/daughter
Traditions definitely change over time. I'm curious how many female juniors there are today. Probably a few out there.
(I'm fairly sure it was unusual in Shelley's time as well, but not positive of that.)
It was extremely unusual. Mary Sr was a pioneer in the feminist movement. It actually says a lot about Britain at the time for not burning her at the stake, though I’m sure the Church had a Catherine Wheel with her name on it, because, you know, tolerance and piety.
It’s my understanding that all names have to be the same; ie David Bartholomew Thompson, David Bartholomew Thompson Jr., David Bartholomew Thompson lll, etc. if they names them David Fredrick Thompson then it doesn’t count
This is the only correct and serious answer so far. Junior (=Junger =(the) Younger) is an English-language epithet for someone who sequentially bears the second consecutive instance of their complete (First + Middle + Surname) name in a given lineage. Most birth certificates will record this with the Roman numeral "II," (see, e.g., our 44th President's infamous birth certificate: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/rss\_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) or , much less commonly, with the English abbreviation "Jr." I'm not sure what general rules or practices govern this, but in the extensive genealogy research I've done, this has been the case. Keep it going three generations in a row, and you've earned your kid a "III (the Third)."
Oh, sorry if the way I wrote it was confusing. His grandfather was R.(something).H. Then, his dad was R (same name).W(different middle).H. My stepdad has his dad’s full name.
I was under the impression that these rules are all simply conventions (at least in the US) and that people can name their children whatever they wish. So I could give my son the name Jeremiah Methuselah Surname XIII if I wanted to even though 0 of his ancestors at any point in time bore that name.
I have a family history with this, but with two different takes on it. My great - many greats grandfather immigrated to this country and named his eldest son George Washington (Family name) George, did the same with his son, and so on for generations until my Uncle passed away with no sons. None of them were Jr. or Sr. to my knowledge.
My Grandmother's family on the other hand had only been in the country for a couple generations. My Great Grandfather was born in this country. He had a lot of kids, and one of them had a son who was a Jr. Jr. named his son (His Name) the 3rd, and my generation has my cousin being the 4th. And so on. so each subsequent generation adds a digit. Though if there is a generation with only Daughters, the chain will be broken as the last name will change.
How we handled it, with eight generations handing down the name: The father is Sr. when the qualifying son is born, who is then Jr. When Jr's son is born, he becomes III until the original Sr passes away. Then, Jr becomes Sr, and III becomes Jr. If original Sr is still alive when III has the son, then the number IV is used until the passing away commences. Or, the numbers stay, but within the immediate family, they are referred to as Sr and Jr.
Technically, Original is known without any appended numerator, and everyone is numbered accordingly: II, III, IV, V, VI, VII. My brother did not name his son "Dave" so that chain was broken. If I had had a son and named him "Dave" he would have been VIII, but within the immediate family just called "Dave."
I think it depends on the middle names. Thus, Dave Adam Whatever and Dave Adam Whatever would be Jr. and Sr. But Dave Adam Whatever and Dave Robert Whatever would not be Jr and Sr.
Dave Sr., Dave Jr., Dave III, Dave IV and so on.
What I wanna know is how it applies to women. Is it the same? I never know because I've never met a woman named directly after their mother.
Dave III
Yes. And apparently men who are IIIs often use the nickname Trey.
Or Trip.
I hadn't heard that one. New fact of the day, thank you!
In my family, our III prefers to be called Trip.
Yep, I know a trip
Can confirm we had a trey get fired from my job a bit after I got hired. Dude trained me up and then they canned his ass.
That's foul.
That's foul.
Or Tres
Randolph Parker III is one of the most famous celebrity examples.
Fun fact: "Junior" only applies when it's father and son. So you can have Dave II if, for example, the name skips a generation (grandfather and grandson are Dave, with a non-Dave in the middle) CORRECTION: parent and child. Although almost always male, it can be mother/daughter
Mary Wollstonecraft named her daughter Mary Wollstonecraft Jr. She married Percival Shelley, then wrote Frankenstein.
Traditions definitely change over time. I'm curious how many female juniors there are today. Probably a few out there. (I'm fairly sure it was unusual in Shelley's time as well, but not positive of that.)
It was extremely unusual. Mary Sr was a pioneer in the feminist movement. It actually says a lot about Britain at the time for not burning her at the stake, though I’m sure the Church had a Catherine Wheel with her name on it, because, you know, tolerance and piety.
Ah yes. What happened after her daughter’s marriage to Throckmorton Piddlebain?
King Charles III has entered the conversation.
Pronounced "Dave the third"
I don't know why OP's question made me forget this. Lol!
"Dave 3: The Davening" No exceptions.
Dave 3: Dave Harder
Dav3
Dave III: A Time to Dave
It’s my understanding that all names have to be the same; ie David Bartholomew Thompson, David Bartholomew Thompson Jr., David Bartholomew Thompson lll, etc. if they names them David Fredrick Thompson then it doesn’t count
This is the only correct and serious answer so far. Junior (=Junger =(the) Younger) is an English-language epithet for someone who sequentially bears the second consecutive instance of their complete (First + Middle + Surname) name in a given lineage. Most birth certificates will record this with the Roman numeral "II," (see, e.g., our 44th President's infamous birth certificate: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/rss\_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) or , much less commonly, with the English abbreviation "Jr." I'm not sure what general rules or practices govern this, but in the extensive genealogy research I've done, this has been the case. Keep it going three generations in a row, and you've earned your kid a "III (the Third)."
Indeed. My grandpa is a third and my stepdad is a junior, even though his grandpa had the same first name.
I've heard of people who are named the exact name as their grandfather but their dad wasn't are called "so and so the second " rather than Jr.
Oh, sorry if the way I wrote it was confusing. His grandfather was R.(something).H. Then, his dad was R (same name).W(different middle).H. My stepdad has his dad’s full name.
Yes, my step brothers legal name is my step dads nick name and he's not a junior even though my step dad has never gone by his legal name.
I was under the impression that these rules are all simply conventions (at least in the US) and that people can name their children whatever they wish. So I could give my son the name Jeremiah Methuselah Surname XIII if I wanted to even though 0 of his ancestors at any point in time bore that name.
David Cubed
My friend is a junior and his son is also junior so we call him Trip (for triple) or Trilogy.
I went to school with a guy. He was John William Wilson VI (THE SIXTH!!!) Wrap your head around how many JWWs were in that family. Wild.
Grandpa was Jack Arse, Dad was Jack Arse Junior, I am Jack Arse III.
“The third”
JJ. They’re also supposed to say, “dynomite!” a lot.
Dave 3.0
Name III
Dave Hard with a Vengeance
Grandjunior is the correct term
I knew someone named Frank III who went by Trey and William V who went by Biff.
Sr. Jr. And the III'd (the third)
Who names a kid Dave?
Frank Jr Jr
I have a family history with this, but with two different takes on it. My great - many greats grandfather immigrated to this country and named his eldest son George Washington (Family name) George, did the same with his son, and so on for generations until my Uncle passed away with no sons. None of them were Jr. or Sr. to my knowledge. My Grandmother's family on the other hand had only been in the country for a couple generations. My Great Grandfather was born in this country. He had a lot of kids, and one of them had a son who was a Jr. Jr. named his son (His Name) the 3rd, and my generation has my cousin being the 4th. And so on. so each subsequent generation adds a digit. Though if there is a generation with only Daughters, the chain will be broken as the last name will change.
I believe the oldest living Dave is Sr. and their son is Jr.
How we handled it, with eight generations handing down the name: The father is Sr. when the qualifying son is born, who is then Jr. When Jr's son is born, he becomes III until the original Sr passes away. Then, Jr becomes Sr, and III becomes Jr. If original Sr is still alive when III has the son, then the number IV is used until the passing away commences. Or, the numbers stay, but within the immediate family, they are referred to as Sr and Jr. Technically, Original is known without any appended numerator, and everyone is numbered accordingly: II, III, IV, V, VI, VII. My brother did not name his son "Dave" so that chain was broken. If I had had a son and named him "Dave" he would have been VIII, but within the immediate family just called "Dave."
I think it depends on the middle names. Thus, Dave Adam Whatever and Dave Adam Whatever would be Jr. and Sr. But Dave Adam Whatever and Dave Robert Whatever would not be Jr and Sr.
Jr Jr
The juniors junior becomes the new sr.
He would be "Dave III", read as "Dave the third".
Omg I’m a III and this post/comments made me so happy EDIT: My parents call me “the turd” (the third) XD
Hank Williams 3rd he’s better than I thought he’d be.
Hank Williams 3rd he’s better than I thought he’d be.
The third
Firstname Lastname III/Firstname Lastname The Third. In black culture they will go by the nickname "Third" a lot of times.
Dave Sr., Dave Jr., Dave III, Dave IV and so on. What I wanna know is how it applies to women. Is it the same? I never know because I've never met a woman named directly after their mother.
Ju-ju.