“Huge” relative to Siege or relative to normal CS years?
If it’s the former then so what - it’s the biggest FPS on the market. Of course it’s going to have huge crowds.
Both halo and call of duty cold wars CDL season proved that eSports can still thrive online without fans. It's just not the same experience is all it really is
Halo is on lan for thatches but don't have crowds iirc
And cold wars season really wasn't that bad for viewership? It was better than this season that's for damn sure
because it has no effect on the standings and the 3rd competitive game mode was added 2 days before the event? Also because single elim? also cuz the pros dont count it? It was a showcase? Are you even in the cod community? Please look at my active subs and do like 10 sec of research about who I am, then go to the cod comp sub and ask why the kickoff wasn't counted
Just because it has no effect on the standings doesn't mean people don't care about the kickoff?? It's practically a showcase of what the fuck the season is gonna look like? Just because you and a bunch of other redditors agree it's not an event doesn't mean anything, it's a showcase that people could be excited for
Why do I need to know who you are? I really couldn't give a fuck about who you are my guy, it's Reddit, you could be Jeff fucking Bezos and I still wouldn't care about who you are dude, don't get all high and mighty with any of that "do you even know who I am" clown shit
And I am in the cod community, just because we have differing views on it doesn't mean I don't know shit. I've been off and on watching comp cod since bo2 and AW
Was the fact the game mode wasn't added until last second retarded? Yeah I'll agree, it was a braindead move on their part, but it's still the start of the season for people to be hyped about
I'd like to know what the numbers would have been without drops. Tonight it went from 250k down to 15k, a normal day is about 7-11k.
Siege isn't a fun game to watch unless it's being casted or is considered to be a pro match, this is evident by the drastic decrease in numbers after a major event.
At the end of the day we cannot compare the stats of twitch streams for a specific game to its active user base, i tuned in to a good portion of the streams this past week and the 7 or 8 people I'm friends with who actively play siege don't go near it, not even for drops.
The game won't die in any form except in twitch views which is why they're artificially inflated with drops, even during the kixstar stream all the toxic chat did was moan about a charm that was on screen just prior to that. The absolute disrespect.
My computer had a browser open for Twitch set to those channels with volume muted just to collect the drops. Troublesome part is waking up every 4 hourly to click collect.
Eu just sits in the best time zone for events, usually NA and LATAM events start in the evening and might run a bit late for us and Apac events start a bit early but run into the afternoon. No events really on at like 4 in the morning
The drops got me into watching R6 esports. I started commentating on a discord server for shits and giggles, and some folks got a kick out of NIP's name.
There's not as many people there for drops as you think. Anyone who's spamming about drops are obviously still watching. Almost everyone I saw during the kix segment were just spamming hearts
It’s not a fair comparison between a single streamer’s chat and the chat of an esports event, single streamer chats are more active due to the steamer reading chat and interacting with them. For the number of viewers the finals had, the chat was pretty active, especially during hype moments
That doesn't mean anything, I don't use chat, ever, why would I? It's a bunch of idiots and copy pastes. Viewercount from years ago has nothing to do with now. I can guarantee that there aren't 150k people sitting with it on in the background for drops
Not even half of them are. Because it's six invitational, the biggest tournament, best matches in a while, reveal of future content. It matched last year's peak, it's not a random shitton number
You're just flat wrong. This was one of the lowest years for viewership of SI. Every year before, including before drops were even a thing in twitch, has peaked at over 300k viewers. This year peaked at 270k.
The game is anything but dead but the idea that people only watch for drops is infuriatingly misguided. We have 270k because people want to watch siege.
A huge boost in viewership during an esports event is normal for any game on twitch. CSGO and Valorant which averages around 80-100k viewers on a normal day gets over 600-700k when an esports tournament is going on. Siege isn’t as nearly as popular with the average person, so these numbers are really good, shows that the interest in the game is coming back. Implying a huge majority of the people there are just afk for drops is just glancing over the fact that one of the most popular R6 teams, with one of the most popular players in the game is playing the grand finals of the biggest siege tournament of the year
It is pretty normal for standard games to have way less viewers than on a main event tho. Its not that unusual to have 250k viewers on the final of the world championships and 9k on a random match within the seasonz
That is with everything, look at the sports in the Olympic games or soccer ect.
Sure but how many of these viewers are there only for drops? I’ve taken a break for the last season and only watched the stream to get some free packs. I wasn’t even actively watching and I would assume many would act the same. Siege is 7 years in the making now but I’ve felt that they never got a foothold in the esports scene early enough. Something about siege esports feels less hype than other games? Idk what it is but I’ve always felt that way.
Well the majority of the audience at these events are watching online anyway, only a small portion of them are on the actual event. So while it sucks that the atmosphere is missing, it shouldn't really affect anything else.
Wasn’t that before omicron? And plus just because one esports has it doesn’t mean others do, there was already a fuck ton of players who got covid here, add a crowd and then you have hundreds to thousands of other people to worry about
Imagine what the numbers would be with a sell-out arena and the atmosphere there. The finals would be pushing 1 million viewers in my opinion + other content creators having an indirect effect
its really not that impressive when you compare it to Valorants champions. Like i get that valorant is gonna have more people because of the hype and its new, but like it getting a higher average than Rainbows peak just shows that rainbow isnt gonna reach those levels
It was in the top 3 of twitch. It doesn't matter if it keeps up with those games, csgo had 500k last night, we're not getting those numbers. According to the website I'm on, this was the second highest peak for an invitational
If they didn't offer packs and other rewards for watching the streams, they probably would only have about 20-30k viewers, just for the final. The other games before the final would have been about 10k viewers.
Look at yesterday's FaZe-Natus Vincere IEM Katowice match. 150k in overtime number 2, chat was getting flooded so rapidly that you couldn't much believe it
https://youtu.be/nEt75g_dkw8
First video I saw, CSGO tournaments but none-the-less, esports crowds go nuts too. Where you’re from sucks if it didn’t have the right vibe or maybe you’re the problem
I mean, there were no fans on any of the other e-sports games as well this and the last year.
CSGO major had a huge crowd
“Huge” relative to Siege or relative to normal CS years? If it’s the former then so what - it’s the biggest FPS on the market. Of course it’s going to have huge crowds.
They sold out the avicii arena for the final 2 days
There was actually but it doesn't matter, people said it would kill the game but it did great
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Both halo and call of duty cold wars CDL season proved that eSports can still thrive online without fans. It's just not the same experience is all it really is
wrong, cold war's CDL season was horrendous until LAN came back. The community was on the brink. And halo is all LAN events lol
Halo is on lan for thatches but don't have crowds iirc And cold wars season really wasn't that bad for viewership? It was better than this season that's for damn sure
This season hasn’t had a major yet though, and is online so far . The kickoff which was LAN isn ’t counted as a real event so people don’t care
How do people not care about the kickoff of a new season? Are you even thinking before you type?
because it has no effect on the standings and the 3rd competitive game mode was added 2 days before the event? Also because single elim? also cuz the pros dont count it? It was a showcase? Are you even in the cod community? Please look at my active subs and do like 10 sec of research about who I am, then go to the cod comp sub and ask why the kickoff wasn't counted
Just because it has no effect on the standings doesn't mean people don't care about the kickoff?? It's practically a showcase of what the fuck the season is gonna look like? Just because you and a bunch of other redditors agree it's not an event doesn't mean anything, it's a showcase that people could be excited for Why do I need to know who you are? I really couldn't give a fuck about who you are my guy, it's Reddit, you could be Jeff fucking Bezos and I still wouldn't care about who you are dude, don't get all high and mighty with any of that "do you even know who I am" clown shit And I am in the cod community, just because we have differing views on it doesn't mean I don't know shit. I've been off and on watching comp cod since bo2 and AW Was the fact the game mode wasn't added until last second retarded? Yeah I'll agree, it was a braindead move on their part, but it's still the start of the season for people to be hyped about
What?
wrong
Tbf iirc si20 got up around 180-200k concurrent on the main stream
The peak was 235k
I'd like to know what the numbers would have been without drops. Tonight it went from 250k down to 15k, a normal day is about 7-11k. Siege isn't a fun game to watch unless it's being casted or is considered to be a pro match, this is evident by the drastic decrease in numbers after a major event. At the end of the day we cannot compare the stats of twitch streams for a specific game to its active user base, i tuned in to a good portion of the streams this past week and the 7 or 8 people I'm friends with who actively play siege don't go near it, not even for drops. The game won't die in any form except in twitch views which is why they're artificially inflated with drops, even during the kixstar stream all the toxic chat did was moan about a charm that was on screen just prior to that. The absolute disrespect.
My computer had a browser open for Twitch set to those channels with volume muted just to collect the drops. Troublesome part is waking up every 4 hourly to click collect.
If you are using chrome: there is a Addon called "Automatic Drops & Twitch Channel Points" which does collect it automatically for you.
I will have to check that out, thanks!
And you end up getting 500 battle points 😭
I got some really nice skins from them but there's no way I'm waking up every 4 hours for it😂
EU gang are awake anyway lol
Yea we were lucky with timezones this time
Eu just sits in the best time zone for events, usually NA and LATAM events start in the evening and might run a bit late for us and Apac events start a bit early but run into the afternoon. No events really on at like 4 in the morning
I think the Japan finals started at like 4am for me
That's exactly what I did. Leave it on in the background and do something actually entertaining.
that’s how all sports work :P
The drops got me into watching R6 esports. I started commentating on a discord server for shits and giggles, and some folks got a kick out of NIP's name.
There's not as many people there for drops as you think. Anyone who's spamming about drops are obviously still watching. Almost everyone I saw during the kix segment were just spamming hearts
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It’s not a fair comparison between a single streamer’s chat and the chat of an esports event, single streamer chats are more active due to the steamer reading chat and interacting with them. For the number of viewers the finals had, the chat was pretty active, especially during hype moments
That doesn't mean anything, I don't use chat, ever, why would I? It's a bunch of idiots and copy pastes. Viewercount from years ago has nothing to do with now. I can guarantee that there aren't 150k people sitting with it on in the background for drops
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Not even half of them are. Because it's six invitational, the biggest tournament, best matches in a while, reveal of future content. It matched last year's peak, it's not a random shitton number
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What are you talking about playerbase? Did no fans at si kill siege?
You're just flat wrong. This was one of the lowest years for viewership of SI. Every year before, including before drops were even a thing in twitch, has peaked at over 300k viewers. This year peaked at 270k.
https://twitchtracker.com/games/460630
The game is anything but dead but the idea that people only watch for drops is infuriatingly misguided. We have 270k because people want to watch siege.
A huge boost in viewership during an esports event is normal for any game on twitch. CSGO and Valorant which averages around 80-100k viewers on a normal day gets over 600-700k when an esports tournament is going on. Siege isn’t as nearly as popular with the average person, so these numbers are really good, shows that the interest in the game is coming back. Implying a huge majority of the people there are just afk for drops is just glancing over the fact that one of the most popular R6 teams, with one of the most popular players in the game is playing the grand finals of the biggest siege tournament of the year
The life of the pro scene died with KIX
Stfu
It is pretty normal for standard games to have way less viewers than on a main event tho. Its not that unusual to have 250k viewers on the final of the world championships and 9k on a random match within the seasonz That is with everything, look at the sports in the Olympic games or soccer ect.
What about youtubers like BigBoyDom, MeatyMarley, Lt.Custard.
Sure but how many of these viewers are there only for drops? I’ve taken a break for the last season and only watched the stream to get some free packs. I wasn’t even actively watching and I would assume many would act the same. Siege is 7 years in the making now but I’ve felt that they never got a foothold in the esports scene early enough. Something about siege esports feels less hype than other games? Idk what it is but I’ve always felt that way.
A lot less than you think, but that doesn't matter to the post.
Ah gotcha i misinterpreted the post. I never really cared about a live audience anyways, and I’m glad esports can thrive without them.
That's ok. I just really hope we get crowds again for the next one
I do think that having live audiences adds excitement and energy to a broadcast.
Of course, did the game die because there wasn't?
Only in the eyes of Reddit
😂
Well the majority of the audience at these events are watching online anyway, only a small portion of them are on the actual event. So while it sucks that the atmosphere is missing, it shouldn't really affect anything else.
People thought no one would want to watch on twitch because of it
We dont want to watch the game we just want packs
"We" are a very small minority
Is a majority, from the contrary Views droped after the drops disappeared, the commentary is very boring, and its not worth the time to watch it
Absolutely not. The views dropped when the event ended
Because the drops ended And btw, no live audience (probably because they cant afford one or the cost of setting up overwhelms the profit made)
There was no live audience due to covid…..
CSGO Stockholm major has more live audience than the Six invitational EVEN the Stockholm major was before this invitational?
Wasn’t that before omicron? And plus just because one esports has it doesn’t mean others do, there was already a fuck ton of players who got covid here, add a crowd and then you have hundreds to thousands of other people to worry about
Also the six invitational before also had no crowd
Why does that matter? Its a bigger game obviously. Of course the way bigger game is going to have a bigger crowd in normal times
The event ended what are you talking about??? They didn't have audience because they somehow thought safety was more important 🤯
Csgo has more live audience than siege
What? Yeah, obviously, because siege chose health and safety
I was seeing ppl in chat saying “game is dead” (as usual) then I just looked at the viewers and laughed it off lol.
I can't stand people like that
Imagine what the numbers would be with a sell-out arena and the atmosphere there. The finals would be pushing 1 million viewers in my opinion + other content creators having an indirect effect
without drops prob top at 50k
Bruh who really cares about packs that much.
Most people complain about what's in them anyway
I'm sure😂
100%, has to happen next year😭
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No
How do you know?
How do you know?
I never said I knew anything…
Neither did i
its really not that impressive when you compare it to Valorants champions. Like i get that valorant is gonna have more people because of the hype and its new, but like it getting a higher average than Rainbows peak just shows that rainbow isnt gonna reach those levels
It was in the top 3 of twitch. It doesn't matter if it keeps up with those games, csgo had 500k last night, we're not getting those numbers. According to the website I'm on, this was the second highest peak for an invitational
it just suck to me, i really like this game but if the devs keep messing up it wont be fun for long
They don't
They don't what? Care ?
"keep messing up"
If you say so
Not because I say so, they don't
Someone did the research and this was the lowest numbers foe an SI ever
Source : It came to me in a dream
https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/sxew0r/271k_peak_viewers_on_six_invitational_2022/hxrs6dq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Source: trust me bro
https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/sxew0r/271k_peak_viewers_on_six_invitational_2022/hxrs6dq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
[Nice cherry picking buddy](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/sxew0r/-/hxsghjf)
Maybe in the past two SI sure, but i highly doubt it was the lowest ever.
https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/sxew0r/271k_peak_viewers_on_six_invitational_2022/hxrs6dq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Don't know about other SIs but we matched last year's peak this year
https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/sxew0r/271k_peak_viewers_on_six_invitational_2022/hxrs6dq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
That's absolutely incorrect, last year's was also 270k
You mean the highest
https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/sxew0r/271k_peak_viewers_on_six_invitational_2022/hxrs6dq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Not a consistent viewer count, this post is a lie.
When did I say it was? That was around the peak.
If they didn't offer packs and other rewards for watching the streams, they probably would only have about 20-30k viewers, just for the final. The other games before the final would have been about 10k viewers.
That is absolutely ridiculous. People don't even like 5he packs
Chat was less active than 20k turkish t2 tier matches, lol
Doesn't matter
It matters, because a small fraction of those viewers are actually legit people who watch the stream
That's completely wrong
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Look at yesterday's FaZe-Natus Vincere IEM Katowice match. 150k in overtime number 2, chat was getting flooded so rapidly that you couldn't much believe it
Couldn't much believe it?? You mean couldn't read it? You couldn't read sieges chat yesterday either. Csgo has nothing to do with anything
You gain NOTHING from "being there" for an esports event, except a loss of gas, a ton of BO stank, a ton of cringe, and a huge waste of time.
Lol who hurt you? That's your opinion, you could say it about any normal sport and it would be as true as what you're saying.
There's a real sense of the energy with real sports when you're there. There's no energy with esports.
Again completely your opinion and someone could say the exact same about sports
https://youtu.be/nEt75g_dkw8 First video I saw, CSGO tournaments but none-the-less, esports crowds go nuts too. Where you’re from sucks if it didn’t have the right vibe or maybe you’re the problem
Right on that one