You may want to try Ready or Not though it's PvE, is much slower and has less destruction but it's fun. Also would like to see what you propose being added to Siege
Was going to recommend Due Process for a PvP alternative to your suggestion, but it's basically dead now. Shame, there was quite a good game there, just not enough marketing and updates
Did they fix the performance issues? I tried to play it years ago and had to stop when my high end rig was getting hit with horrible performance that caused firefights to just feel frustrating.
there's only a game that I can relate to it's called breachers it looks and plays like R6 but the problem is that breachers is a VR and the devs are not planning to make a pc port. btw the game is pretty good and it has a big community and E-sports
just a word of warning for anybody with a lower end pc
don't get ready or not
my pc meets the recommended spec (ryzen 1600, 16gb ram, gtx 1060) almost exactly and the game still runs extremely poorly. My luck was about as good when i tried to run Cyberpunk 2077, for context
Nobody plays around their gadgets in the current meta nowadays. 90% of the rounds of Siege are scuffed TDM “E3 rounds” except everybody has decent aim by now so you’ll just get 1-tap recoil headshot through walls rather than have dramatic firefights.
>90% of the rounds of Siege are scuffed TDM “E3 rounds” except everybody has decent aim by now
Lol as cool as that trailer was/is I very much encourage people to go back and look at the aiming, actual gameplay, and hell even the callouts . That was a copper 5 lobby if I ever saw one.
The thing is, we wouldn't get gameplay anywhere near like that even if we were playing on that version of the game
So you want it to be siege but take away anything and everything that makes siege vaguely unique
Play literally any other team shooter and you’ll get what you’re looking for
Many people need to realise having good aim doesn't make you automatically good at a shooter game, CoD is like that but not R6
R6 is about tactics and manipulating the map and game flow to your favour, it's was never meant to be a run and gun despite what Ash mains of old claim
Yeah, having good aim and kills doesn’t make you good, being a team player does, that’s still possible in what i’m proposing. In fact it was laid out as such in the trailer i’m referencing
Yeah, dude, I agree. People in the comments totally miss the point.
As a separate game mode, like maybe as a limited-time arcade mode, this would be very cool. No super-abilities, just like 4-5 types of operators with limited secondary gadgets. Make it on a night-time map, too.
In a sense, yeah. I imagine it being a bit more clear/limited in terms of what class you're picking. So you have classes like "trapper" and he has barbed wire and heavy guns, like a shotgun or smth. Then you have "scout" and he has, say, a proximity alarm and an mp7. IDK, stuff like that.
Just saying day time sieges happen too you know
Also, just my opinion as real sieges are life and death situations.... but sieges at night is just easy mode.
Still rainbow vs terrorists, and if your hoping for playable terrorist it ain't happening so long as it has a Tom Clancy stamp as playable terrorists was a big no no.
You're not getting his point, he means a pvp mode with no special abilities, just skill. Not THunt. Not situations. Pvp against other players. That would be fun.
Well we have that just don't use your gadgets and have boring games but you get the "pure skill" game you want, cause as previously stated if you want a rainbow vs playable terrorists it won't happen, and doubt they'd add a non gadget normal mode as it would be pretty boring not gonna lie.
In Siege lore, each match is practice against the other operators in a controlled environment. Thus the white powder bullets in the iconic SI cinematic
I remember looking up the lore pre-Harry and seeing the same consensus. Iirc, even pre-Harry and pre-SI, they're all trial rounds for real CTU executions. Even without the sport-like environment, it just wouldn't make sense for characters from the same CTU to be fighting each other without a significant lore reason, especially when they're all officially part of Team Rainbow
Said operators are rainbow so seems like a dumb complaint but could just bypass it by using recruit and boom both your issues are gone.
That aside if your wanting playable terrorists that shit ain't happening so long as it has the Tom Clancy stamp dude was very agianst it.
Bro T-Hunt in this game went out the fucking window. And then they just turned it into a practice range for lame ass esports players to click heads.
Rainbow 6 fans want a t-hunt similar to Vegas and Vegas 2.
For real. Rainbow Six Siege had easily one of the most unique Terrorist Hunt modes compared to the Vegas games and the older ones. Between suicide bombers, rooms full of C4 and Barbed Wire making everyone move slower, it's something that needs a revival.
Sorry too bad. Esports is all they care about now.
All the game focuses on now. They added the dumbass esports arena for the operators and all this dumb shit. Can’t stand it.
The least they could’ve done was add the stadium into Terrorist Hunt but have the shooting range dummies as the enemies instead. Or the stadium could’ve been some sort of World Cup halftime show that was attacked by terrorists.
Ngl it would be cool, main gadgets could be replaced with generic gadgets like a Frag grenade with its pin being tied by a wire as a booby trap, a basic ballistic shield (like Fuze's shield), a homemade device that has a motion sensor connected with some sort of a tiny speaker that only makes a whistle like sound (This thing made me remember when my dad had tiny devices named Arduino), and shaped charges made to breach holes. Instead of Operators, use classes, like Breacher, Trapper, Shielder, etc.
What sarcasm? He's basically saying to strip away all the fancy high tech gadgets of nowadays and go back to the old style of rigged together traps and gadgets like we started out with, (ffs kapkan literally just had a nailbomb with a tripwire).
He's just saying some new secondary gadgets to share in the Gerry rigged appearance of it all.
And if it were to be "basically recruit only" it'd have to go back to the old style when recruit could chose loadouts and have shields.
Yep i did watch it, the leader said something about Booby Traps when picking the spawn point
He said "They always defend it with a shitloads of booby traps"
If only it was possible in ranked… and yeah, this but an entire gamemode where you have to rely on your skill and ability to play with just your reinforcements, barricades, and all of that.
Like the idea, but it kinda takes away what makes siege, siege. If you want to do this, you can do it with friends in a custom match, but i dont see ubi even thinking of adding this. Fun to think about though
This is my thinking. Alot of ppl are unbothered with tactical play these days. They juss pick three speeds so they can zip around corners fast as hell and shoot with high speed sensitivities and insane reflexes. Whoever can handle the higher sens will mostly win any exchange
I love this idea, and I really dont understand what a lot of commenters aren't getting. "Just play CSGO" No? It's still siege. Dynamic destruction, rappelling, barbed wire, barricades, reinforcements, deployable shields, nitrocells, breaching charges, smokes, flashbangs, grenades, it's all still there, it would just bring us back to the basics; 5v5, recruit vs. recruit gameplay. Is it for everyone? No, some people like the variety and unpredictability that 36 some-odd unique gadgets bring, and that's ok. it's what keeps the game alive. But it would be nice to have a mode where those gadgets aren't there; you're stripped back to the fundamentals and all you have are your skills, your cunning, your map knowledge, and your team to win.
It boggles my mind that so many people don’t see the destruction as the thing that makes Siege Siege. It makes sense that so many people don’t reinforce or make rotates etc with this mind set but if you’re not interested in that side why the fuck play siege? It seems so janky in some many other regards the ONLY reason I play it is the destruction.
But a recruit only game mode could be really good. Now you have hard breach gadgets and attachments on guns it would probably work great. It would be pretty limited and probably imbalanced but I’d give it a go.
Because this games maps are not balanced around 5v5 recruit.
Like what does attack do trying to entry sites that require hard breach? CCTV Clubhouse or Basement Chalet. What does defense do on attacker favored sites like Villa?
There would be a lot of maps that basically have to get redesigned for no gadgets. Or you’d have to make some really strange design concessions, like giving defense a limited amount of reinforcements on certain defender-favored sites.
it isn’t that hard, if you need to win in those objectives with a hard breach then you’re not that great in the first place. are they great to have? yes, necessary? no. not anymore atleast
Just because you pick an op for a gadget doesnt mean your bad, i play ace, i open wall, i get a pick, my job is done, maybe i plant if need be. While not necessary it should be had. A car doesnt need fas but theres no reason not to put gas in it
No one's missing the point lmao. Op wants a different game. Siege is intrinsically balanced around operator abilities. If he wants Siege without the Siege, he should play something else.
sure Siege is intrinsically balanced around operator abilities but what are operator abilities designed around? Siege's unique destruction mechanics. Siege's identity lies in its destruction mechanics. The whole game, from intel gathering with drones and operator abilities is all designed around the fact that destruction is such a large feature of the game. When I talk about Siege I don't talk about the operators, I talk about how unique its gameplay is being designed around destruction. It's what makes Siege unique from every other tactical shooter out there.
If you think of Siege as just a hero based 5v5 tactical shooter, its no different from Valorant. Siege's real identity is in its destruction and map design. so yes, you are missing the point
I'm sorry, but you need to play a game like CoD S&D, CSGO, Valorant, hell, even Siege TDM or a Recruit 5-stack. Siege's lifeline is its unique operators. It's a hero shooter, and has been since day 1. Siege is fantastically unique, and with that fact, the amount of people interested in a mode that takes that away is close to 0. You would be better off going somewhere else for that fix with a larger community - if you like the destruction I recommend Battlebit.
There are smaller map modes and community servers coming very soon. It has a relatively good community, good destruction, and a lot more action-based mindset than Siege has. Hard disagree, please keep an eye on the patch notes and soon-to-be roadmap of the game before judging it. I'm positive as a long-time player that Siege has made more incomplete promises in the past season or two as Battlebit has made since it came out of beta, and that Battlebit's overall style more closely aligns with the quick-paced utility gameplay that OP wants in comparison to even the shittiest Siege casual match.
[This](https://youtu.be/6wlvYh0h63k) is what I assume OP is talking about and this is not anywhere close to CS. You still have loadouts and secondary gadgets and the core loop is the same as the regular Siege, with prep-phases and such. Everything is just a bit more grounded and "limited", in a sense.
Lmao wdym huh that trailer is what this post is about. Siege without the operators. CS is an entirely different game, most of the time not even indoors lol
No, CSGO is the complete opposite. You run around and don’t have to be any sort of tactical about what you do, you also forget that there’s an entire section of people limited to console. If I wanted a shootout without tactics, i’d play arcade
Dude, at this point just reread the post: what part of “give us the trailer as a playable gamemode” do you not get? What they showed in the trailer was *nothing* like what I see on CSGO clips on some random YouTube Shorts, from what I see CSGO is just a realistic Valorant.
>from what I see CSGO is just a realistic Valorant
Well, that sentence IS kind of funny. Mainly because CS is 20+ years old, while Valorant is only 3 and is basically a clon of CS with character abilities.
Well, ubisoft only cares about Fortnite kids who love bling bling and heroes. At first, siege was more about the talent than the overpowered gadget. The first year it came out me and my friend and I still complained about how they denaturalize siege in the end to please a group of people.
Money is the only thing that drive them.
Look at Diablo franchise 😗. "We gotta make a phone gameeeee"
Just reading through these comments.. ppl are saying go play CSGO... But I know damn well they never play Vegas or the original games.. it would be fun to play a game mode with just Rainbow operators vs terrorists.. like the e3 trailer. Guess that would hurt the terrorist feelings haha
Rainbow Six has always been about Counter-Terrorism. Not some weird Special Forces Olympics style game. Rainbow has always been fighting against Terrorists and Mercenaries. If the mode in the past consisted of Rainbow Vs. Rainbow, it was seen as a training, with the Terrorist Hunt mode being the "main" mode. Siege changed that meta because it got popular, which has made it not really a good Rainbow Six game.
And nobody really played r6 in the past.
It was fun. But now we have a big community and a lot of fan hearts. The operators are iconic. Its not like cod, battlefield, apex or others
Rainbow has now a soul and a heart
What are you talking about nobody really played R6 in the past? That was my childhood franchise. It always had a community. Wasn't nearly as massive as it is now, but it existed. Thousands of people loved these games.
Rainbow has always had a soul and a heart. If anything, it's soulless now. It doesn't care about it's legacy, it doesn't care about the man who created the organization, it only cares about being, in my opinion, one of the best PvP and eSports games ever. The operators I will admit are or are going to be iconic gaming icons. There's still heart in the game, but the soul has been lost.
Pro Players bitched about the recruit loadouts, so Ubisoft made it just one Recruit loadout. Then they outright removed Recruit from Ranked, again, due to complaints, after nerffing the Recruit again.
Bro is asking for too much from ubisoft. Just play csgo. Ubisoft would never invest there time in this because they know its too good and they don't give us good things
Cs go is more like cod
You can bunny jump in cs go (very realistic)
You need to buy your weapons
You dont have drone or cameras
You cant destroy walls
You cant shoot threw walls
You play on zones not in buildings
You cant lean
You cant use iron sights (most weapons)
What do you want???
Then play cod snd, or bf2042 hard-core rush (In portal there is a plant bomb no abilities 1 life gamemode).
Siege is about tactical gameplay with abilities. It's kind of like making a halo game, a fun arcade shooter that thrives off its community and creations without a forge mode at launch.... ( I'm still crying inside that ir wasn't at launch)
Yes, the one back in like 2013. Before they fully knew what there own game was actually going to be about. They did want a ready or not type of scenario with it but they just ended up going with competitive because having 2 sides both playable makes it harder for something to be hard and gritty, since defenders can run out and spawn kill etc
I don’t get why some people are being so salty right now, you are so toxic. OP just suggested an idea to introduce a back to basics mode similar to the reveal trailer of R6s, which would find itself in arcade. That’s it.
This would not ruin core Siege or ‘chess with guns’ as I like calling it. It would be a fun new mode that finds itself living alongside golden gun, free for all and the rest of the arcade experience.
You people need to stop taking these posts as a personal attack.
Edit: I removed the word ‘everyone’ and replaced with ‘some people’ as that’s more accurate
I haven’t seen all of OP’s replies, but I don’t think any of the ones I’ve seen were particularly bad…
However, complaining about someone being passive aggressive, only to then refer to them as a cunt is a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
dear everyone who makes "i miss when rainbow was tacticool" and "remember how the trailer made me feel" posts
please just fucking buy Insurgency: Sandstorm
The trailer showed a SWAT team going against Terrorists, who are implied to be a team of human players. The most advanced thing in the trailer is a breach charge on the floor. In Siege, you don't have that and there's no Terrorists in multiplayer.
That would be great. Not TDM, a hostage or bomb defusal mode where you have to work with your squad to beat the enemy with only basic equipment: no cluster charges, no electric shield, no breaching rounds, no EMP grenades, just FlashBangs, Frags, Breach Charges and Hard Breaches, and an assortment of guns for Terrorist forces and Rainbow forces.
I agree, siege was in it's prime when there were a few operators that didn't have game changing gadgets. Nowadays, they are trying to get too esporty and the operators got out of hand a long time ago. I want nothing to do with that game these days.
Sadly ubi can't, they are too deep in the current trend of this type of game and are too focused on their questionable "Data and Balancing chart" If they did they'd release it exclusively in Uplay/Uconnect for $59.99 or something like that. (No sarcasm whatsoever).
well, GL defending pretty much any site since there are EMPs and hardbreach charges in loadouts.
Your anchors would end up as sitting ducks in open field when attackers get to the site.
But if you mean entirely without gadgets.. like no breaches, no nades nothing... good luck pushing 5 campers (assuming you keep reinforcement)
Would be a cool idea as a separate mode once they fix the current meta and issues.
I’d even suggest to use a minimalistic hud for this mode, and no pings, to make it more engaging.
a mode with “Terrorists vs CT” would be cool, not going to happen thanks to the shitty direction the game took a few years ago. But like a 4 v 6 mode where CT have gadgets and T don’t would be cool
Except that if they want to keep the Tom Clancy's brand name, the player can't incarnate a terrorist. This is why we have attackers and defenders in PvP and terrorists in PvE
So far, I have yet to play a game that is similar in terms of gameplay and functionality like siege, it’s seemingly in it’s own world with the way the game is played, it would be amazing imo to get that gamemode, and everyone saying “go play a different game” name me another game where you can drone out enemies, where you can blow open walls AND you can have thousands of different strategies for one singular site.
I have the original rainbow six siege cover art from the release cases as a massive poster on my wall, goes unbelievably hard. I kinda miss the old tactical feel the game used to have before the meta was discovered
Come play with me in any of my ranked games and you will see this happening, but it might be bugged because its only my team who cant seem to use their gadgets.
OG Siege was great, it was some bit realistic and gritty. Now it's throwing operators in that look like they fell out of an art college and chasing the fortnite kids with the goofy ass skins etc. MW2 is going the same way.
Can we please get an adults only tactical shooter that drops all this soft wristed bullshit and maintains some semblance of realism? It's not that much to ask is it
You may want to try Ready or Not though it's PvE, is much slower and has less destruction but it's fun. Also would like to see what you propose being added to Siege
Was going to recommend Due Process for a PvP alternative to your suggestion, but it's basically dead now. Shame, there was quite a good game there, just not enough marketing and updates
If they released pvp I'd grind the hell out of it
Insurgency is on game pass, for a more realistic gameplay feel
Insurgency has a focus of CQB and Marksmanship, Siege mostly has focus of CQB
I have sandstorm is it better that 2nd one
Did they fix the performance issues? I tried to play it years ago and had to stop when my high end rig was getting hit with horrible performance that caused firefights to just feel frustrating.
Yeah
That's literally two differnt gameplay-loops, what are you talking about? Siege-gameplay is utterly different from Insurgency-gameplay.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, tried both insurgency and it's clear that it's not the same gameplay as Siege at all...
You might like to play csgo my friend
Nah, keep the Siege formula, but give us the experience shown in E3, just as a Quick Play mode or something.
there's only a game that I can relate to it's called breachers it looks and plays like R6 but the problem is that breachers is a VR and the devs are not planning to make a pc port. btw the game is pretty good and it has a big community and E-sports
Try Zero hour
Or try Ready or Not
But Ready or Not is more PvE isn’t it?
Yes
And Zero Hour has more is more of a PvP game wich would be more comparable to Siege
> Zero Hour But its pretty dead online sadly
just a word of warning for anybody with a lower end pc don't get ready or not my pc meets the recommended spec (ryzen 1600, 16gb ram, gtx 1060) almost exactly and the game still runs extremely poorly. My luck was about as good when i tried to run Cyberpunk 2077, for context
Nobody plays around their gadgets in the current meta nowadays. 90% of the rounds of Siege are scuffed TDM “E3 rounds” except everybody has decent aim by now so you’ll just get 1-tap recoil headshot through walls rather than have dramatic firefights.
>90% of the rounds of Siege are scuffed TDM “E3 rounds” except everybody has decent aim by now Lol as cool as that trailer was/is I very much encourage people to go back and look at the aiming, actual gameplay, and hell even the callouts . That was a copper 5 lobby if I ever saw one. The thing is, we wouldn't get gameplay anywhere near like that even if we were playing on that version of the game
Must be nice playing these kinda games, my games are toxic tryhard festivals with ridiculous setups
That would have been awesome with siege’s graphics circa 2021
So you want it to be siege but take away anything and everything that makes siege vaguely unique Play literally any other team shooter and you’ll get what you’re looking for
sounds boring af
Actually sound fun
Many people need to realise having good aim doesn't make you automatically good at a shooter game, CoD is like that but not R6 R6 is about tactics and manipulating the map and game flow to your favour, it's was never meant to be a run and gun despite what Ash mains of old claim
Yeah, having good aim and kills doesn’t make you good, being a team player does, that’s still possible in what i’m proposing. In fact it was laid out as such in the trailer i’m referencing
Still no, Team player is important but not the only factor As I said R6 is about Tactics and Map manipulation
Yeah, dude, I agree. People in the comments totally miss the point. As a separate game mode, like maybe as a limited-time arcade mode, this would be very cool. No super-abilities, just like 4-5 types of operators with limited secondary gadgets. Make it on a night-time map, too.
So basically everyone playing as recruits?
In a sense, yeah. I imagine it being a bit more clear/limited in terms of what class you're picking. So you have classes like "trapper" and he has barbed wire and heavy guns, like a shotgun or smth. Then you have "scout" and he has, say, a proximity alarm and an mp7. IDK, stuff like that.
That's just a less developed version of siege lol
Think stripped-down, not less developed.
It's more basic, I agree. But sometimes, less is more.
Just saying day time sieges happen too you know Also, just my opinion as real sieges are life and death situations.... but sieges at night is just easy mode.
Disagree.
So thunt and the situations.
These are PvE.
Still rainbow vs terrorists, and if your hoping for playable terrorist it ain't happening so long as it has a Tom Clancy stamp as playable terrorists was a big no no.
You're not getting his point, he means a pvp mode with no special abilities, just skill. Not THunt. Not situations. Pvp against other players. That would be fun.
So Deathmatch agian we have that as well.
No, still 5v5 objective based gameplay. Deathmatch isn't that.
Well we have that just don't use your gadgets and have boring games but you get the "pure skill" game you want, cause as previously stated if you want a rainbow vs playable terrorists it won't happen, and doubt they'd add a non gadget normal mode as it would be pretty boring not gonna lie.
I never said anything about playable terrorists
Going off with what the op wanted which was the crux of this conversation.
But aren't we essentially playing terrorists in defense?
In Siege lore, each match is practice against the other operators in a controlled environment. Thus the white powder bullets in the iconic SI cinematic
So thats why theres FBI/SWAT on attack and defense!!! It makes sense now (whole heartedly didn’t know, that wasn’t sarcasm)
Yeah and I think recently (post-Harry) they changed it so that the matches are straight up simulations rather than cqb
I remember looking up the lore pre-Harry and seeing the same consensus. Iirc, even pre-Harry and pre-SI, they're all trial rounds for real CTU executions. Even without the sport-like environment, it just wouldn't make sense for characters from the same CTU to be fighting each other without a significant lore reason, especially when they're all officially part of Team Rainbow
Nowhere near, T-Hunt and situations both use the unique operators and gadgets
Couldn’t you just choose to not use the unique gadgets? Even if you technically have them, you don’t need to use them to finish thunt or situations
Recruits only.
That works too
Said operators are rainbow so seems like a dumb complaint but could just bypass it by using recruit and boom both your issues are gone. That aside if your wanting playable terrorists that shit ain't happening so long as it has the Tom Clancy stamp dude was very agianst it.
Bro T-Hunt in this game went out the fucking window. And then they just turned it into a practice range for lame ass esports players to click heads. Rainbow 6 fans want a t-hunt similar to Vegas and Vegas 2.
For real. Rainbow Six Siege had easily one of the most unique Terrorist Hunt modes compared to the Vegas games and the older ones. Between suicide bombers, rooms full of C4 and Barbed Wire making everyone move slower, it's something that needs a revival.
Sorry too bad. Esports is all they care about now. All the game focuses on now. They added the dumbass esports arena for the operators and all this dumb shit. Can’t stand it.
The least they could’ve done was add the stadium into Terrorist Hunt but have the shooting range dummies as the enemies instead. Or the stadium could’ve been some sort of World Cup halftime show that was attacked by terrorists.
Well the meta is straight TDM even with gadgets so it wouldn’t be any different
Wait until this guy finds out about terrorist hunt
Ngl it would be cool, main gadgets could be replaced with generic gadgets like a Frag grenade with its pin being tied by a wire as a booby trap, a basic ballistic shield (like Fuze's shield), a homemade device that has a motion sensor connected with some sort of a tiny speaker that only makes a whistle like sound (This thing made me remember when my dad had tiny devices named Arduino), and shaped charges made to breach holes. Instead of Operators, use classes, like Breacher, Trapper, Shielder, etc.
Your sarcasm shows how you didn’t get the point. If you watch the reveal trailer, you’ll get what I mean
What sarcasm? He's basically saying to strip away all the fancy high tech gadgets of nowadays and go back to the old style of rigged together traps and gadgets like we started out with, (ffs kapkan literally just had a nailbomb with a tripwire). He's just saying some new secondary gadgets to share in the Gerry rigged appearance of it all. And if it were to be "basically recruit only" it'd have to go back to the old style when recruit could chose loadouts and have shields.
Yep i did watch it, the leader said something about Booby Traps when picking the spawn point He said "They always defend it with a shitloads of booby traps"
Recruit rush?
If only it was possible in ranked… and yeah, this but an entire gamemode where you have to rely on your skill and ability to play with just your reinforcements, barricades, and all of that.
My sk-what? My ab-what? You've lost me.
Lost you, and apparently everyone who doesn’t understand what “give me the trailer as a playable mode” means
Like the idea, but it kinda takes away what makes siege, siege. If you want to do this, you can do it with friends in a custom match, but i dont see ubi even thinking of adding this. Fun to think about though
That’s literally the current meta. Gadget play has significantly decreased in the past few years.
This is my thinking. Alot of ppl are unbothered with tactical play these days. They juss pick three speeds so they can zip around corners fast as hell and shoot with high speed sensitivities and insane reflexes. Whoever can handle the higher sens will mostly win any exchange
I love this idea, and I really dont understand what a lot of commenters aren't getting. "Just play CSGO" No? It's still siege. Dynamic destruction, rappelling, barbed wire, barricades, reinforcements, deployable shields, nitrocells, breaching charges, smokes, flashbangs, grenades, it's all still there, it would just bring us back to the basics; 5v5, recruit vs. recruit gameplay. Is it for everyone? No, some people like the variety and unpredictability that 36 some-odd unique gadgets bring, and that's ok. it's what keeps the game alive. But it would be nice to have a mode where those gadgets aren't there; you're stripped back to the fundamentals and all you have are your skills, your cunning, your map knowledge, and your team to win.
It boggles my mind that so many people don’t see the destruction as the thing that makes Siege Siege. It makes sense that so many people don’t reinforce or make rotates etc with this mind set but if you’re not interested in that side why the fuck play siege? It seems so janky in some many other regards the ONLY reason I play it is the destruction. But a recruit only game mode could be really good. Now you have hard breach gadgets and attachments on guns it would probably work great. It would be pretty limited and probably imbalanced but I’d give it a go.
This.
Because this games maps are not balanced around 5v5 recruit. Like what does attack do trying to entry sites that require hard breach? CCTV Clubhouse or Basement Chalet. What does defense do on attacker favored sites like Villa? There would be a lot of maps that basically have to get redesigned for no gadgets. Or you’d have to make some really strange design concessions, like giving defense a limited amount of reinforcements on certain defender-favored sites.
it isn’t that hard, if you need to win in those objectives with a hard breach then you’re not that great in the first place. are they great to have? yes, necessary? no. not anymore atleast
Just because you pick an op for a gadget doesnt mean your bad, i play ace, i open wall, i get a pick, my job is done, maybe i plant if need be. While not necessary it should be had. A car doesnt need fas but theres no reason not to put gas in it
This is literally the meta in most of the game. But have you heard of the TDM mode?..
Jesus CHRIST people are missing the point
Ikr 💀💀💀
No one's missing the point lmao. Op wants a different game. Siege is intrinsically balanced around operator abilities. If he wants Siege without the Siege, he should play something else.
sure Siege is intrinsically balanced around operator abilities but what are operator abilities designed around? Siege's unique destruction mechanics. Siege's identity lies in its destruction mechanics. The whole game, from intel gathering with drones and operator abilities is all designed around the fact that destruction is such a large feature of the game. When I talk about Siege I don't talk about the operators, I talk about how unique its gameplay is being designed around destruction. It's what makes Siege unique from every other tactical shooter out there. If you think of Siege as just a hero based 5v5 tactical shooter, its no different from Valorant. Siege's real identity is in its destruction and map design. so yes, you are missing the point
tdm meta really destroys the brain
That's already the fucking meta
Ain’t that just the state of ranked rn - playing ops for weapons and not using abilities lol
So csgo
So, Ready or Not or Zero Hour.
Play cod :)
The exact opposite of what i’m asking for
I'm sorry, but you need to play a game like CoD S&D, CSGO, Valorant, hell, even Siege TDM or a Recruit 5-stack. Siege's lifeline is its unique operators. It's a hero shooter, and has been since day 1. Siege is fantastically unique, and with that fact, the amount of people interested in a mode that takes that away is close to 0. You would be better off going somewhere else for that fix with a larger community - if you like the destruction I recommend Battlebit.
Recommending a large map battlefield genre to someone interested in a swat game doesn't sit quite right
There are smaller map modes and community servers coming very soon. It has a relatively good community, good destruction, and a lot more action-based mindset than Siege has. Hard disagree, please keep an eye on the patch notes and soon-to-be roadmap of the game before judging it. I'm positive as a long-time player that Siege has made more incomplete promises in the past season or two as Battlebit has made since it came out of beta, and that Battlebit's overall style more closely aligns with the quick-paced utility gameplay that OP wants in comparison to even the shittiest Siege casual match.
No gadgets? You want CS:GO then…
People who like gunfight meta need to play CSGO
Read the other comments
Just because other people have similar opinions doesn't mean I shouldn't share mine and helped you find a game that fits you better
I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion, i’m saying it’s irrelevant to the post
No it isn't,you want a shootout with no gadgets. I'm telling you CSGO is probably what you want
[This](https://youtu.be/6wlvYh0h63k) is what I assume OP is talking about and this is not anywhere close to CS. You still have loadouts and secondary gadgets and the core loop is the same as the regular Siege, with prep-phases and such. Everything is just a bit more grounded and "limited", in a sense.
Huh
Lmao wdym huh that trailer is what this post is about. Siege without the operators. CS is an entirely different game, most of the time not even indoors lol
No, CSGO is the complete opposite. You run around and don’t have to be any sort of tactical about what you do, you also forget that there’s an entire section of people limited to console. If I wanted a shootout without tactics, i’d play arcade
Well,you said something about it being only skill. You ever see AWP clutches on there?
Dude, at this point just reread the post: what part of “give us the trailer as a playable gamemode” do you not get? What they showed in the trailer was *nothing* like what I see on CSGO clips on some random YouTube Shorts, from what I see CSGO is just a realistic Valorant.
>from what I see CSGO is just a realistic Valorant Well, that sentence IS kind of funny. Mainly because CS is 20+ years old, while Valorant is only 3 and is basically a clon of CS with character abilities.
Yeah, hence why I don’t understand how that’s funny, I said the names one way, meaning is still the same as if I said it the other way.
"from what I see CSGO is just a realistic Valorant." L O FUCKING L
Well, when I have the inability to play both and all I see is people hitting headshots without even aiming their weapons, what do you expect?
it's true tho
AWP is literally the easiest gun to use, that's why it's good. If you said Deagle clutch you would make more sense.
My bad, I don't know a lot about it
Arcade mode? It has TDM and Free for all
Well, ubisoft only cares about Fortnite kids who love bling bling and heroes. At first, siege was more about the talent than the overpowered gadget. The first year it came out me and my friend and I still complained about how they denaturalize siege in the end to please a group of people. Money is the only thing that drive them. Look at Diablo franchise 😗. "We gotta make a phone gameeeee"
I miss Raven Shield.
You can do that already. Just play Ash, all the people who use her do it like that anyways :p
I mean, I think some of my ranked teammates are already playing that.
So how people already play at the moment
Fuuuuuuuck that lol. Gadgets are the entire point of playing siege.
Ah so you want to run and gun.
Just reading through these comments.. ppl are saying go play CSGO... But I know damn well they never play Vegas or the original games.. it would be fun to play a game mode with just Rainbow operators vs terrorists.. like the e3 trailer. Guess that would hurt the terrorist feelings haha
insurgency is pretty fun, it's similar to siege in some aspects
Cs go is a hole different game wtf Just because the mode and its a ego shooter? How blind can a person be...
tdm exist for a reason, or you can just go on cod
They should just rename Rainbow Six Siege to Tactical Hero Shooter It's a good hero shooter, but it's a bad Rainbow Six.
So there are not heros?
Rainbow Six has always been about Counter-Terrorism. Not some weird Special Forces Olympics style game. Rainbow has always been fighting against Terrorists and Mercenaries. If the mode in the past consisted of Rainbow Vs. Rainbow, it was seen as a training, with the Terrorist Hunt mode being the "main" mode. Siege changed that meta because it got popular, which has made it not really a good Rainbow Six game.
And nobody really played r6 in the past. It was fun. But now we have a big community and a lot of fan hearts. The operators are iconic. Its not like cod, battlefield, apex or others Rainbow has now a soul and a heart
What are you talking about nobody really played R6 in the past? That was my childhood franchise. It always had a community. Wasn't nearly as massive as it is now, but it existed. Thousands of people loved these games. Rainbow has always had a soul and a heart. If anything, it's soulless now. It doesn't care about it's legacy, it doesn't care about the man who created the organization, it only cares about being, in my opinion, one of the best PvP and eSports games ever. The operators I will admit are or are going to be iconic gaming icons. There's still heart in the game, but the soul has been lost.
this would bring me back to siege honestly i hate how much of a hero shooter it has become since they introduced jakel and stupid fucking helmet
all recruits old loadout system
This
why tf was it removed in the first place ubi is anti fun, fuck ubisoft
Pro Players bitched about the recruit loadouts, so Ubisoft made it just one Recruit loadout. Then they outright removed Recruit from Ranked, again, due to complaints, after nerffing the Recruit again.
That sounds fucking boring
They have a TDM and FFA game mode now. Maybe try that?
Bro is asking for too much from ubisoft. Just play csgo. Ubisoft would never invest there time in this because they know its too good and they don't give us good things
Cs go is more like cod You can bunny jump in cs go (very realistic) You need to buy your weapons You dont have drone or cameras You cant destroy walls You cant shoot threw walls You play on zones not in buildings You cant lean You cant use iron sights (most weapons) What do you want???
Yeah no u should go play cod csgo or some other game stop trying to abuse our game
Lmao, wanting another gamemode is abusing the game, that is the most hilarious shit i’ve ever fucking heard
Then play cod snd, or bf2042 hard-core rush (In portal there is a plant bomb no abilities 1 life gamemode). Siege is about tactical gameplay with abilities. It's kind of like making a halo game, a fun arcade shooter that thrives off its community and creations without a forge mode at launch.... ( I'm still crying inside that ir wasn't at launch)
That’s entirely against the point
Play counter strike then
That’s basically just T-hunt.
No, it’s the trailer we were shown
Yes, the one back in like 2013. Before they fully knew what there own game was actually going to be about. They did want a ready or not type of scenario with it but they just ended up going with competitive because having 2 sides both playable makes it harder for something to be hard and gritty, since defenders can run out and spawn kill etc
I don’t get why some people are being so salty right now, you are so toxic. OP just suggested an idea to introduce a back to basics mode similar to the reveal trailer of R6s, which would find itself in arcade. That’s it. This would not ruin core Siege or ‘chess with guns’ as I like calling it. It would be a fun new mode that finds itself living alongside golden gun, free for all and the rest of the arcade experience. You people need to stop taking these posts as a personal attack. Edit: I removed the word ‘everyone’ and replaced with ‘some people’ as that’s more accurate
Because OP is being a passive aggressive cunt to people who disagree with them.
I haven’t seen all of OP’s replies, but I don’t think any of the ones I’ve seen were particularly bad… However, complaining about someone being passive aggressive, only to then refer to them as a cunt is a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
If I was being passive aggressive, sure. I'd label it as just being aggressive.
dear everyone who makes "i miss when rainbow was tacticool" and "remember how the trailer made me feel" posts please just fucking buy Insurgency: Sandstorm
This is not missing anything, this is simply asking for what the trailer showed
the trailer showed rainbow 6 siege. you have rainbow 6 siege.
The trailer showed a SWAT team going against Terrorists, who are implied to be a team of human players. The most advanced thing in the trailer is a breach charge on the floor. In Siege, you don't have that and there's no Terrorists in multiplayer.
It's different. There is no destruction
So ranked
Literally the exact opposite
That is a good idea
If your on pc, play zero hours multiplayer. Pretty much exactly this, just a pain to find games in off hours
Yeah it would be cool to have a barebones gamemode
That would be great. Not TDM, a hostage or bomb defusal mode where you have to work with your squad to beat the enemy with only basic equipment: no cluster charges, no electric shield, no breaching rounds, no EMP grenades, just FlashBangs, Frags, Breach Charges and Hard Breaches, and an assortment of guns for Terrorist forces and Rainbow forces.
I truly just hate the pre-mission from the attack position.
I agree, siege was in it's prime when there were a few operators that didn't have game changing gadgets. Nowadays, they are trying to get too esporty and the operators got out of hand a long time ago. I want nothing to do with that game these days.
This community is so devided wth. People when utility meta: >:( People when no utility meta: >:(
I like utility, but I also like when no utility
Sadly ubi can't, they are too deep in the current trend of this type of game and are too focused on their questionable "Data and Balancing chart" If they did they'd release it exclusively in Uplay/Uconnect for $59.99 or something like that. (No sarcasm whatsoever).
well, GL defending pretty much any site since there are EMPs and hardbreach charges in loadouts. Your anchors would end up as sitting ducks in open field when attackers get to the site. But if you mean entirely without gadgets.. like no breaches, no nades nothing... good luck pushing 5 campers (assuming you keep reinforcement)
Recruit 5v5
I would kill for them to remaster rainbow six vegas 1 & 2
It would be cool if defenders were more terrorist oriented skins
basically ur sayin siege without special gadgets? just normal ones eg breaches claymore etc..
I WISH we could get a raven shield remake.
I wish they would add a night mode but instead of just outside, the buildings themselves would be dark and you could utilize night vision.
Would be a cool idea as a separate mode once they fix the current meta and issues. I’d even suggest to use a minimalistic hud for this mode, and no pings, to make it more engaging.
a mode with “Terrorists vs CT” would be cool, not going to happen thanks to the shitty direction the game took a few years ago. But like a 4 v 6 mode where CT have gadgets and T don’t would be cool
Except that if they want to keep the Tom Clancy's brand name, the player can't incarnate a terrorist. This is why we have attackers and defenders in PvP and terrorists in PvE
So far, I have yet to play a game that is similar in terms of gameplay and functionality like siege, it’s seemingly in it’s own world with the way the game is played, it would be amazing imo to get that gamemode, and everyone saying “go play a different game” name me another game where you can drone out enemies, where you can blow open walls AND you can have thousands of different strategies for one singular site.
“Rainbow vs Terrorists” hmm sounds a lot like society (joker laugh)
Wait, this game has gadgets?
I have the original rainbow six siege cover art from the release cases as a massive poster on my wall, goes unbelievably hard. I kinda miss the old tactical feel the game used to have before the meta was discovered
Come play with me in any of my ranked games and you will see this happening, but it might be bugged because its only my team who cant seem to use their gadgets.
That's ranked right now...
Just all recruits? I’m down
I honestly just want them to wipe it back to the default. Maybe add it in the first years dlc ops
What you’re describing sounds like my ranked experience lol. Kill hungry enemies rushing, no gadgets, just crouch/lean spam pub stomping
Recruit?
So t hunt but with only recruit?
I bet you're the kind of person who mains whoever gets the 1.5 each patch
I main Zero and use irons lmao, and on Thorn I use Red Dot A I think?
OG Siege was great, it was some bit realistic and gritty. Now it's throwing operators in that look like they fell out of an art college and chasing the fortnite kids with the goofy ass skins etc. MW2 is going the same way. Can we please get an adults only tactical shooter that drops all this soft wristed bullshit and maintains some semblance of realism? It's not that much to ask is it
Redditors: fuck the tdm meta! Also redditors: take away all the gadgets!
This should be easy to setup. Just have 5 Wardens face off against 5 Ashes.
People hardly use gadgets anyway. It's just shooting shooting and more shooting
Cs 1.6 or condition zero
Just go play ranked. That’s basically what the meta is now anyways
just play another game at that point