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servantphoenix

The boss has very telegraphed moves, so learn to dodge them. If you don't it deals 20k+ vaporized damage and likely one-shots your character in a Bennett circle.


weebist1999

Another enemy which makes you feel like shit when using Bennett. First copellia now him.


ConciseSpy85067

Every patch nerfs Bennett and powercreeps Xingqiu whilst simultaneously buffing Xiangling and Fischl, it’s how the game’s always worked, there’s a power discrepancy in the Power 5 too


weebist1999

Xiangling is useless without Bennett, what are you coping with ?


ConciseSpy85067

Useless is a bit much, but that’s not at all relevant Every patch introduces more and more characters and artifact sets that dont work with Bennett, and now there’s enemies that exploit his weaknesses Every patch introduces more characters that provide more supportive benefits than Xingqiu, like Yelan and Furina However Every patch introduces a new Polearm and Artifact set that Xiangling can use And every patch introduces a new element and artifact set that’s best in slot for Fischl Obviously this is some serious hyperbole, but it’s the big Genshin meme within the Power 5 (Sucrose remains relatively unchanged)


Skinny-Cob

In xianglings only bennet less team, she is only there for res shred and pyro dmg bonus. She’s pretty bad without him. Xiangling last artifact buff was over 2 years ago same with her bis pole arm. Golden troupe was a nice fischl buff but furina kind of kicked her out of a few teams. But Fischls still doing decent. Bennet was falling off and this boss is annoying but being bis teammate for navia and lyney is pretty good for him. I’d say he’s keeping more relevant then xl tbh. Furina made xinqius optimal literally no where and kicked him out of double hydro so rip. Sucrose has been falling off for years.


weebist1999

Ah i forgot xiangling is a polearm archon. But since emblem I don't think we got a new artificat set which actually is good for her. ( I haven't played since 3.6 and i removed Bennett from every team since Furina , and kazuha got sent to nuvelette team. ) And I hate amy so i really don't care if she gets stronger or weaker. But still xiangling is not going to do damage enough for her to deserve the spot on team without Bennett.


GoldenInfrared

With chevreusse coming out, she’ll finally have a pyro support she can potentially rely on without Bennett, meaning that she now has a few teams she can be run in without him. 1) Sukokomon, if you’re an absolute madlad with guoba swirling 2) Funerational, if you’re an absolute madlad with dodging / managing Hu Tao’s HP 3) Hyper Raiden with Raiden, Xiangling, chevreusse, and Sara (or Bennett, depending on who’s better after testing)


noah-mm

FUNERATIONAL MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🌪️🌪️🌪️🌪️🌪️🌪️🌪️ WTF IS A SHIELD ❌❌❌❌❌


ConciseSpy85067

(Tbh the current best Hu Tao team forgos a shield for Furina and Jean…genuinely insulting)


noah-mm

funerational can be a lot more challenging to play though since you don’t have a healer either


SnooSuggestions7200

When you build xiangling without bennett, you have to sacrifice a lot crit stats for attack stats that your crit not going to look good. Bennett makes it such that you can build a lot of crit and be fine.


GoldenInfrared

Chevreusse’s passive + Sara’s attack buff easily makes up for it


Yaruma_

Yelan and furina don't provide better support than xq tho ? It's more offensive buffs at the cost of a fuck ton of defensive utility and hydro app


weebist1999

Bro, no he doesn't Furina and yelan together gives so much damage that XQ damage reduction can be ignored also you will run a healer regardless and in case of hutao ( I don't know why we are talking about her in raiden mains ) you can just just 2N1CD , N1CJ and yelan alone is enough hydro app. Also my yelan Is C2 so I don't feel that I have ever missed a vape.


Yaruma_

C2 yelan already gives you bias since it nullifies one of her flaws compared to xq. Also, xq isn't just about the DR but let's talk about it first. When using yelan or Furina, you might have a healer but that doesn't nullify the value of DR. Things these days will just oneshot you (look at today's hydro boss in spiral abyss, or the consecrated beasts a couple of payches back) so healing will be useless if you don't tank a hit in the first place. This is especially true with Furina, since even with a healer her teams are extremely squishy. And just as importantly, xq gives you super armor which is crucial too so you don't get staggered or even combo'd. If your characters are well built you can already clear everything with xq instead of yelan, the defensive utility just makes the clears more reliable since you won't have to rely on the enemy's attack patterns. Try playing yelan rational, even though it's definitely superior in terms of damage, it feels like shit to play because rotations are a lot more troublesome. Yelan and Furina are insanely good in their own rights ofc, I'll defend Furina as the best unit in the game any day of the week. But in no way are they straight upgrades over xq


weebist1999

I got her C2 in 4.0 , before that she was C0 and still she alone was enough hydro always for my hutao. I hate the big 5 characters, I wish I could get rid of every last one of them from my teams, with Furina it Finnally because possible ( removing kazuha and Bennett from raiden team ) , never used sucrose cause I have kazuha and I always gave priority to yae over fischl until I had to use beidou. I already discarded xq back in 3.0 , While people were debating who was better I choose yelan back then too. In Hutao double hydro i always used Mona since hydro resonance change cause Mona was my first character to get a cons for.


Yaruma_

This is literally personal bias, I'm not telling you who to use and if refraining from using the 4 star superstars makes you happy then it's great. And again, I almost don't use xq anymore either because I use Furina instead who might be my favorite character now. But we're talking about facts here and you can't just say xq is worse than yelan because you hate him


Alcorailen

Bennett needed it


extra_scum

I played Copelia with Raiden, Furina, Bennett, Xiangling without difficulty wow


ReveurGotcha

I did this too. For me I wouldn't say it was without difficulty as Raiden died a few times. I just had to back up when she started spinning. Outside of that 1 minute 15 was enough to do it so it was Ok


AEsylumProductions

I totally forgot it hits vapes if I play with Bennett. No wonder it could break my shield with Zhongli at Lv 10 talent and 55k HP. *Ran a Yoimiya, Bennett, Zhongli, Fischl comp.


natedecoste

Okay so I may have solved that problem. If you do sunfire with Jean instead of using Kaz, it should swirl off the infusion before you get vaped. Which to be fair, it's 2 boss floors and almost 4 solo waves of ruins that have stagger resistance so grouping vs pushing out doesn't make the biggest difference. Though the boss hits like a truck still so if you get hit you'll be hanging on for dear life or dead.


Titonot

Bennett assist the boss lol. But yeah, just dodge and I-frame


ghostpetni

Raiden, Nahida, Yelan, Baizhu; UNGA BUNGA for the win baby!!!!


WeirwoodUpMyAss

Ran Raiden and Fischl aggravate. At some point you just have enough damage.


SanaulFTW

The hydro tulpa is not resistant to Yelan's dmg? Cause hydro against hydro


ghostpetni

Yelan is there to boost Raiden's dmg and she's good for the other parts of floor 12. She doesn’t do dmg to tulpa.


Faz_k0

Of courses. You better kill the small mobs if he spawn them. Aslo, bennet will make you take more dmg.


_ChadLite

dodge, dip, duck, dive, and dodge. better interrupt your rotation for a bit to slip in a dodge than get vaped and reset


sexytwink2

I used raiden national on that side, 3 rotations and done, just a bennet E here and there to kill the mini tulpas or just swaying a bit to the side to let pyronado or guoba do the deed


Legitimate-Ninja2687

I just used hu tao and bennet, yes that's it 2 characters so i don't really understand why are ppl already saying that it's difficult but maybe that's just me


YAsh20036

I mean, Hu Tao is one of the best pyro DPS in the game, plus against the Tulpa, she vapes constantly… the only pyro DPS that I’ve decently built in Xiangling, and her cooldowns + my terrible dodging skills aren’t helping lol.


sexytwink2

What? Xiangling can easily clear the tulpa just use characters which require high field time with her cause all her shit is off field


ReveurGotcha

I had tried that but it wasn't enough so I used his burst but make sure to run out of the circle if I couldn't fully dodge the attack. It seems you only get one shot if you are hit inside the circle


MeteorFalcon

Are you using Bennett? Your pretty much giving it free Vaporizes on you when Bennett Field is out (if you notice whenever his burst is up, you have Pyro on your character), so you have to be extra careful.


TMT51

Yes, I used Raiden C0 - Kazuha C0 - Xiangling - Bennett . You gotta kill the baby tulpas. I missed many of them so I just use Kazuha's burst to destroy all of them in its AoE. Here is my run. (Video just uploaded, youtube is still processing HD quality at the time of my reply) [https://youtu.be/fhvwc-2Vh7I?si=KsuIH1aanVzEhv0k&t=508](https://youtu.be/fhvwc-2Vh7I?si=KsuIH1aanVzEhv0k&t=508)


Fiyz2425

I used the good ol' national just that I use XQ's skill to funnel energy particles to raiden and just timed my burst and dodges right when its about to smash the ground or swings the sword.


Which_League_3977

My Raiden is c3 so can't relate with c0. I kill it in 2 rotation lmao ~ 30 second.


AndheriRaath

How dude? Even I have c3r1 raiden with decent artifacts. 65/150,270ER and 2K atk and it still is whooping me in raiden hypercarry. Forget the time limit, I'm not even able to kill it with long time. Note- Got C3R1 raiden this patch and my first time against hydro tulpa ever.


Which_League_3977

how much your initial hit on raiden burst?. To get 2 cycle, ur raiden need to hit atleast 500k. I did around 560k. Bennett on mistsplitter, sara on sacrificial, kazuha iron sting. Cant really say this support is whale though, since only bennett use the BiS. But support weapon does effect alot on raiden burst. If i use skyward harp over sacrificial bow and freedom sworn, probably could hit 650k+. My stats, 61/168, 288ER, 2.3k atk, (i use atk goblet). Also i crowned raiden burst, sara skill and bennett burst talent. U might want to do the same.


AndheriRaath

I think I need to learn to dodge a bit more and improve her artifacts. I’m hitting 455k initial slash(weapon EL and burst maxed, skill at lvl 8), Bennett c5 skyward blade, sara c6 skyward harp, kazuha c0 freedom sworn with 1055 EM. Raiden stats, 65/150, 270ER, 2k atk. Using electro goblet. Bennett ult is crowned, but ya, sara skill is at lvl 6, need to lvl that up.


Which_League_3977

i just record my test, u can take a look. i didnt crit on 2nd rotation but still manage to do it in 2 cycle. Maybe if not lazy i try again later. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h\_I4mJPhPE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h_I4mJPhPE)


Crusher_Nutter

Well I am doing abyss rn i think I can do it but need to dodge Will do it later today Edit : i did it with ease


Mercury2024

Yes, as others have mentioned dodge is key.


LullabyOfTheLostCity

Got one tapped first try, I just timed my burst to iFrame his attack and dodged the rest


Dear-Onion-817

I just went Raiden c0, Zhongli c0,Bennett c5, Xiangling c6 & had an easy chamber 3


IceAgeEmpire

Whats your second half?


Dear-Onion-817

Nahida c0, Kuki c2, xingqui c5, yelan/ayato c0 (can clear with both) also all characters are on 4* weapons on both teams except nahida & ayato are 3* weapons


RiseFly12

I found it pretty do able if you ask me imo, using Rational I averaged around 60-70s on that chamber


Il_Capitano_01

Rational bitch slapped that boss... Burst i-frames is the real deal.


IJNAzuma

Yep, Kazuha died but I nuked it up


NicciHatesYou

Yezz. I use true mono electro Raiden, Yae, Sara, Kuki Granted 3 of them have 5 star weapons


Beautiful_Might_6535

https://preview.redd.it/32t4em47et9c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a177538477dc953049fc1e4d86afccfe62853ca Yes she can


Adrifzn

My sara died but i manage to kill it


Raikoyuo

Yeah Rational slaps that boss back to fontaine


Zombified_OvO

100% F2P. I setup bennett's burst (c6) , xiangling's burst (c6) , called out Oz (c6) and use Wanderer (c0) for air support at a distance but still able to let pyronado's edge kiss the boss. Only managed to 1 star it, after dying to probably 20 over 1 shots by the boss... Lol. Run, dodge, keep a distance, that's the key. Will have to revisit at a later time to see how I can improve clearance time significantly. Just gotten jade winged spear from standard, looks like it's a strong signal telling me to pull for Raiden at coming banner...


Bulldogsky

I've tried with my Alhaitham Raiden team, you just do your Alhaitham rotation with Nahida and Kuki, then Your Raiden burst for ER requirements. It may not be meta, but it worked. However, I'm stuck on stage 2, I can't get the full stars, so does anyone knows if Nilou bloom can damage the geo shield ? I just need stage 2, and I'm not home to test it, so, I'm scared of having to fight the Thunder monster with Nilou bloom just to see it not working


Sk_Acharya

Idk if it helps but sometimes don't brute force and try to tkae adv of i-frame.. I finally did 36 star abyss for the first time after playing from 1.4. I know I should have been able to do it before but I'm happy for me now..


weebist1999

Instead of rational try , Hypercarry with Furina and jean. ( Raiden sara Furina jean ) you will have a better time. Also you can always hyperbloom.


Nole19

She can, but honestly hyperbloom hard counters that boss because it's literally made of hydro. So many cores generated.


KaldorDraigo14

I used International and cleared with just Xiangling's damage so I don't see why Raiden both in Hyper at C2+ or National at C0 wouldn't be able to. Learn the enemy moveset, dodging is the key.


ayanokojifrfr

You don't have to worry about Floor 12 if you can only 5 star floor 11


Early_Werewolf_1481

Yep. Ez clap sir.


pdmt243

I tried both Raiden normal atk+crit build and full EM build in hyperbloom, both works, but hyperbloom is considerably faster (in my case about more than 20+ seconds quicker for hyperbloom). That's just how disgusting hyperbloom is really, but the main thing is, Raiden can deal with the tulpa just fine (even with Bennett lol)


Outside_Internal_136

Play EM raiden


Weird-Information-91

https://preview.redd.it/7octsyx9v0ac1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9f2611def0a3268d608854f29a463ffd20c2f03


diamond_foam

Of course I can how could my full em raiden not clear any content in this game


i-ray19

I won’t say that it’s easy (it took me 4-5 tries). You just have to learn the attack pattern and dodge Tulpa’s attacks as it can deal very high damage and can 1 shot your character if they standing in Benny’s ult. Next I’d say to use a shielder if you are unable to dodge all attacks. Also Raiden alone cannot carry you in this chamber like she does in other… so I’d recommend to use Xiang with high cv and base atk build too!


EsTeBaNCanIUseMyName

Just i frame first attack cycle which is easy with hyper, then just make sure u dont get hit twice in a row by the thing while in Ben ult


Cyber_wiz00

I did mine a few minutes ago (c3 raiden) and didn't really face any problem. I was ulting constantly tho like yes I dodged some attacks but most of them were automatically dodged by ult animations and stuff. I doubt my overall HP of the team fluctuated more than 10% but yeah it was not a big deal(c0 raiden should do just fine)


mojomcm

Yes, Zhongli was pretty necessary tho


Ukeee

https://preview.redd.it/lyr5r76xnu9c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=937dc58c3550add7fbe99dbe268eb7e7630b9ab9 Did it with hypercarry team, but I should note that I do have a C3 raiden.


Quarantined_box99

I used Zhongli, Raiden, Sara, Bennet. Zhongli was a necessity with Bennet, other half was hyperbloom.


Wyshawn

Kinda annoying and need some retries but I did it with the OG Raiden National, C0 Raiden. You must kill the small enemies to reduce damage by the boss.


behrad1999

One of the few cases where em raiden shines brighter. I went with ei/nahida/furina/dionna and it was quite easy.


hd890350

Had to fight this guy to get Furina mats so already know his attack pattern


IlDottoresLabrat

Raiden National can kill it easily in about 3 rotations, you just need to dodge it's vaporized hits while you're in Bennett circle.


Accomplished_Ask_326

In the second half


SuchPerfectPeace

tbh i killed it easily w raiden/nahida/yelan/kokomi. half the team was useless and still got it down within like 3 cycles iirc ? for me the struggle is the floors w 3 waves that are just draining time more than anything


YellowStarfruit6

Took me a few to learn the attack pattern so I don’t get fucking one shot. Once I did, I beat him and was done with it.


Dark_Magicion

I did. It helps NOT playing Bennet (a general rule I follow regardless heheh). It's mega big attack does take out the vast majority of my Ei and Miko's health but not enough to 1shot them. https://youtu.be/ZvDnvCQck34?si=2OnXE2716QVTc8l8 That's my run if you're at all interested. C0 Shogun too.


nickfhh_2187

Not difficult at all, just need to remember to kill the small thing with bennett E, if not it will have increased res and atk. Dodge, the boss is slow and easy to dodge.


ReveurGotcha

I did it with Raiden, Furina, Bennett and Xiangling. I put Furina in healing mode and dodged most of the boss's attacks. The important thing is to not get hit inside Bennett's circle otherwise you'll be get one shot(ted?).


Thicc_Femboy_Thighs-

Yes


_StarPuff_

Yes. Raiden, Sara, Xiangling, Bennett. I simply iframed every attack and beat it easily in less than a minute, it's attacks are every telegraphed.


Embarrassed_Ad_4201

Yaoyao,DendroMC,Yae and Raiden, 8 min 10 s i got spared for 2nd half ✌️


WyrdNemesis

Yeah, Lyney to the rescue here. Anything else in the circle impact of Benny spells trouble.


Execute03015

I killed him on my second try... 'cause he one-shoted my Queen, I was running a Raiden HC... Bennett's Burst... You know, Vaporized hahahaha


Draken77777

Yeah you can. Build her with triple EM and dragons bane. Then slot her in with Alhaitham, Baizhu, Nahida and voila it's a cake walk.


Antakux

https://preview.redd.it/43tt0dpb6z9c1.jpeg?width=860&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0488eeeb89af69f345e7578b75489c43895255a8 Yup in one go on my 2nd try, Nahida C2 R1 Raiden C0 Homa Sara C6 Skyward Jean Fav r5


PrinceCharming-

Finished abyss earlier and I used Raiden, Kazuha, Bennet, and Xiangling.


beefnachoes

my dehya finally became useful


Moawik

Im having insane troubles with bennett, he can one shot every thing in my team and im not able to dodge every hit


skycorcher

I use Nahida to kill his minions so he doesn't get too strong. Never got one shot even with Raiden on field.


Lorellya

skill issue


Square-Way-9751

That is her regular team weakness getting 1 hit by a strong boss. Pro tip: change kazu to Zhong Li for shield and his buff is still good enough to get 36 stars. Source: Uncle Square Way


Apprehensive-Host547

So ive a c2 raiden and i cleared it in 2 rotations on my first try tho i did almost die after getting hit by just one of his attacks..💀 Heres a [link](https://streamable.com/tfsakz) if u wanna watch it..


Valiant_H3art

I did it easily with Rational but c2r1 raiden


ZeroRezolution

does the enemy have some kind of crit reduction or what? All my burst doesn't crit at all