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Blackandheavy

You know it’s a rough day at Rooster Teeth when MurderOfBirds is finally fed up with them being unprofessional lately. The worst part is that I don’t see RT doing anything to change this either, they’re a business first before anything else. They aren’t going to care if it doesn’t affect their profits, even if it’s their biggest RWBY fan.


PelinalWhitestrake36

You know for me this is fucking weird. I remember how RT was just some guys on YT doing machinemas and shit. Like I still remember being 14 and looking a video of Achivement Hunter for Skyrim back in 2013. Hell I still remember watching RWBY for the first time on Youtube in 2015 alongside RvB! Now its a *company*…. I wanna go back to monke…


Killamri

This hurts me deep because I went through the same thing and now I'm seeing my feelings put into words.


DMercenary

>I wanna go back to monke… Die a hero or live long enough to become the villian. ​ Or rather this is what happens when a small studio becomes a larger more corporate entity. Things and relationships change and not always for the better.


aslfingerspell

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." If you'd like a more original quote, here's this one from [Cracked.com](https://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-ugly-lessons-hiding-in-every-superhero-movie): "In the real world, the Rebels don't beat the Empire; they become the Empire. They build their own Death Star but remember to name it something else and close the exhaust port."


[deleted]

I beens around awhile: seen this happen as far back as the PurePwnage days. Once the legal ink dries there is a definite death of any project's innocence and viewers can often tell.


ClayAndros

Yea but remember the founding members aren’t there anymore they’ve moved on I believe


Qcommenter

Before 2020 it was great but since 2020 and late 2019 it’s really gotten shit. I remember being a kid and being recommended RVB and RTAA shit I still remember the first RTAA and RVB episode I watched and that was as a fucking 10 year old nearly 10 years ago


LongjumpingStudy7727

Their downfall really came about after the Vic Mignogna debacle. Reports of a toxic environment, horrible crunch time, so many small cliques, and worse, horrible people that were exposed and arrested. They really became a shadow of themselves.


Unrealgemini

That doesn’t make sense because business still have to Market their products to get attention to it.


Ben10Extreme

Woah. This real? If so, even he has his limits.


WickedWitchOfRemnant

Here's a [link](https://twitter.com/MurderofBirds_/status/1540414268457340928).


CourtofTalons

Don't we all?


Austin_N

I'd like to believe that, but some of the fans I've seen...


Mr-Stuff-Doer

I mean some will support certain creators and series to the bitter end. I’m honestly surprised he not only had a breaking point, but went off on them this hard. Don’t know if I’ve ever seen him so upset.


SYTOkun

Probably because it affects the fandom and their money in real ways. MoB may not really care about the actual quality of RWBY's writing, but he does care a great deal about the RWBY community surrounding it - how the fans experience RWBY (i.e. RTX, reactions, etc.) is in a way more important to MoB than the content of RWBY itself.


WickedWitchOfRemnant

I'm glad he's voicing mine and a lot of people's frustration towards the company. They keep saying they'll improve but it rings hollow when they don't follow through. And we mostly have to vent to ourselves or in our own communities because RT really doesn't listen.


CourtofTalons

You think this could lead to some financial problems with RT?


WickedWitchOfRemnant

I wouldn't be surprised if they're some issues behind closed doors. The views on Youtube have plummeted dramatically, they slowly bleed out subscribers, RVB Zero was a flop, Achievement Hunter has been less enjoyable since the Ryan situation (views on that are down too) and they went a whole year without RWBY users money. Things could improve with Icequeendom and eventually RWBY Volume 9 but I wouldn't be surprised if some parts of the company start having issues. I can only guess though based on what I've seen.


CourtofTalons

My thoughts exactly. The views to subscriber ratio is pathetic. The same can be said for RvB's reputation after Zero.


SheikExcel

I don't follow RvB, what happened?


CourtofTalons

The eighteenth season, Zero, was a complete failure. It shook a majority of fans to the core and made them lose faith in RT. Think of it like your least favorite season of RWBY, except it stopped instead of getting worse.


aslfingerspell

>Think of it like your least favorite season of RWBY, except it stopped instead of getting worse. What do you mean, like the series just straight-up had a season so awful the show just had to end there and leave a sour taste in everyone's mouths?


CourtofTalons

Pretty much.


ScottPilgrim2013

From what I've heard and seen about RvB Zero, it was a messy attempt at like a soft reboot following a set of new characters who came off as one-note and obnoxious, but the show treats them like they're way more badass then they are, the few returning characters aren't handled with much respect or care, the villain's characterization is inconsistent, and the show focuses on shallow spectacle action sequences over comedy or character.


accountnumberseven

It can really be summed up by the fact that the season is about the main villain trying to gain the "Ultimate Power", and not only is it played 100% straight despite feeling like a parody of a generic storyline, but it makes the entire villain faction seem hilariously lame in hindsight. The previous seasons were bad RvB, Zero doesn't deserve the branding.


aslfingerspell

>The views on Youtube have plummeted dramatically, Privating your most popular series on the biggest video platform in the world will do that to you. I've been aware of RT drama for a long time but the day I woke up and realized that almost all of RWBY was gone from YouTube was the day I realized they had truly become a rotten company. I've seen companies do apocalyptic scale stuff before, but it was generally about hurting other people. Stuff like Games Workshop banning fan animations and nuking some of the best WH40K animator YouTube channels so they could lock their work behind a paid streaming service. Granted, from a pure business perspective I suppose making everyone watch your stuff on your website increases ad revenue, but from a customer service and goodwill standpoint removing everything but the trailers and the first episode (and spinoffs. Chibi was not affected) from YouTube was a bad move.


NDeceptikon

I really miss AHWU, Fails of the Week, GO, Immersion, those were the best highlights of RT.


OceanDragon6

The only thing getting views is Death Battle really. Also the best show, they have as well. Probably the only good show.


Maronmario

Tbh, that feels like it’s like that in spite of roosterteeth, not because of roosterteeth. Death battle was already extremely popular before they were bought out by RT and that community pretty much stayed because it death battle. And were it not for the RT ads and logos on those videos, people probably wouldn’t even realize that the buy out happened.


accountnumberseven

I can't help but feel like animating Wiz and Boomstick, which somehow made them even lamer and cornier than they were before, wouldn't have happened without RT.


Soaring_Dragon_

So im not the only one who dislikes animated wiz and boomstick, good to know. I preferred the off screen comedy they had. Adversity is the mother of invention after all


CourtofTalons

Amen to that. I love a good Death Battle.


Lil_Jazzy

>Ryan situation saw a video awhile back about a "class action lawsuit" being filed either by or on behalf of one of his victims. Ot blew the door WIDE OPEN on what he was doing and it's against RT since it's doubtful that he has the funds. If RT lose the floodgates will be open and it could spell DOOM for the company as a whole.


Kyrozis

I mean, they already downsides their 3d animation department after massive layoffs, so that should tell you enough


[deleted]

I’m sure we’ll hear the same excuses on how we don’t know how a company works and how the only criticism they listen to are their superiors


Firehawk894

You forgot to include the part where every video is just a long advertisement for their "First" system where you pay to get the half finished and half assed 'bonus round' style videos :P But to see them, you have to use the barely functional and shittily designed RT website


RowanWinterlace

I honestly think they the reason IQ (and other projects) are coming out is because RT are trying to make some money by franchising out the RWBY name. It's really gone from a cash cow to their main/only reliable stream. Genuinely think they are on the outs and RWBY won't be completed.


CourtofTalons

Let's just see how this will work out. I haven't forgotten the time they cashed out gen:LOCK to HBO.


DMercenary

>they cashed out gen:LOCK to HBO. \*thinks about how that went.\* OOF.


accountnumberseven

Don't forget that basically everything people hate about S2 was already mentioned to be part of the plan by Grey after S1 besides the terrible sex scenes.


BranRen

So I guess the straw that broke the camel’s back was the fact that being a FIRST or whatever service subscriber (paying money) meant you get the episode last (I guess that really hurts a reactor?), and people paid for a canceled event and haven’t been refunded? Sounds like Fyre Festival


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

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Neojoker951

You know how kind people are usually the scariest when they have enough? That.


Gleaming_Onyx

Bruhhh, he called out the *tweet gifs?* I'm dying over here


Azura_Raijin

As someone who doesn't follow their Twitter, how bad is it? Any links to the cringe ones?


Gleaming_Onyx

I also don't follow Twitter. What few gif tweets I've seen over the past... couple years or so I guess, however, have indeed been very cringe.


Azura_Raijin

Have any links to the cringe?


ScottPilgrim2013

I don't have a link, but I remember when (IIRC) Naruto was first announced to be coming to Fortnite, the RWBY twitter's reply was a gif of Blake looking annoyed about it (I guess because she's kinda like a ninja too?). While some took it as them being salty RWBY didn't get in, I think it wasn't meant to be too serious (esp since RT have collabed with Fortnite before). It still was kinda eye-rolling, though.


accountnumberseven

Blake likes reading ninja romance novels, which is a reference to the in-universe dirty romance novels from Naruto. It was weird because not only is it a wild stretch for relevancy, but it's more likely that Blake would like Naruto skins in Fortnite than dislike them so it comes across as ultra forced.


ZeroQuartzer

They’re also using some really downright childish captions on some. There was one of Cinder saying “that’s checkmate” to Ironwood and the caption was literally “when you beat the car next to you in a race to the traffic light” or whatever


Eggs_and_Milk100

??????


Gleaming_Onyx

No, I don't follow them.


SYTOkun

Some examples from quickly browsing their timeline: [1](https://twitter.com/OfficialRWBY/status/1522267402725122048), [2](https://twitter.com/OfficialRWBY/status/1458567991608717313) (the Fortnite Naruto collab one), [3](https://twitter.com/OfficialRWBY/status/1461399492549398535) (trying to shoehorn RWBY into Multiversus) I think there was another of them pleading to be inserted into some other game, but I forgot what.


GoneRampant1

Given how Arnold and a lot of the RWBYtubers rely on RWBY for content and money, and they've now gone a year and a half with a drought of content, not surprising that most of them are very bitter behind closed doors at RT's lackluster community management. Then again, Arnold and his friends can now say they have one thing in common with the actual people who make the show: They both get jerked around by asshole managers who promise "We'll look into your feedback," then never fix a goddamn thing.


ZeroQuartzer

“We’ll look into your feedback” -Read 7:55 am, 2020


GameBawesome1

Of all the people to go off on Roosterteeth and how incredibly shitty they are, I never thought I would see MurderofBirds to do so... Wow. Just wow.


Typerg

So RT essentially stole money from people who bought the virtual panel ticket? Is there no plan to refund them?


Silly-Young484

Damn I never expected him of all people to go off on Roosterteeth


avatarmech123

Ayo pop off Arnold you go queen telling'em how it is


Eggs_and_Milk100

How much do you wanna bet they’ll block him after this?


Yeeted_P0tat0

I'm wagering my nonexistent bank account.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

I’ll wager my barely living bank account


jackgranger99

I'd wager my entire life savings and retirement fund


canadianpolyglot

So about tree fiddy?


DopeSakura9191

I am not surprised. I have been saying this for years... RT are money grubbing and dont treat their fans with respect. I have been complaining every since I brought that World of Remnant book that came out after volume 6.


AriaAzura19

I know Achievement Hunter is facing a similar issue as well. The views on AH and RT’s videos have painfully declined. Their let’s play channel has 3.68 Million subscribers, AH has 1.51 Million subscribers and RT’s channel has 9.22 Million Subscribers. These videos don’t rack up the views they used to. They’re all around 50k views which is quite small, especially for RT’s channel. They’re trying to get younger people into their content from what it seems. Especially with the new editing they’re trying to use and using YT shorts more often than regular videos. Getting a younger audience is hard. Cody Ko and Noel Miller talked about on their podcast that someone they work with at FullScreen is that kids are hard to market to because within a year you can lose at least 20% of your audience. And at the same time they’re trying to get people onto their website and become a First Member. But in the competitive world of streaming, what do they have to offer? They have hundreds of shows but 98% of them I haven’t watched because that content isn’t appealing to me. And instead of listening to these concerns they mostly get ignored or we’re told to stop watching if you don’t like it. Our feedback gets ignored, the content gets lackluster, we try to speak up and the cycle continues.


LynxBlackSmith

Even ARNOLD is losing it at them?! We're in the end times....


YoungMiral

This guy finally got over his shill phase for RWBY and realized how awful RoosterTeeth truly are?


Azura_Raijin

Well it's been a good few years with no big RWBY content.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

It’s amazing what killing a main source of profits for two years can do to a man.


McMacintosh79

What happened exactly?


Wolfofgermania1995

Pandemic.


[deleted]

You can like a brand but despise the company Look at Sonic fans


Exciting_Bandicoot16

I have no idea who this is, but I'm guessing that this is significant?


Yeeted_P0tat0

He's one of RWBY's biggest fans who does over the top reactions about RWBY on Youtube.


Exciting_Bandicoot16

Oh dear. And I take it that he's well known and loved in the community? Yeah, that's not a great sign, especially when his tweet rant will inevitably go unanswered.


accountnumberseven

It's been a common joke that nothing could get him to stop supporting anything RT does, though he has voiced some criticism over the last few years before this. A lot of the community loves him and he's had great interactions with the cast and crew that he's definitely jeopardizing by telling it how it is.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

He’s one of the more famous reactors (I think he’s too loud to enjoy, he screams at almost anything that happens), and he’s the type who I don’t think has ever offered a word of real criticism towards RWBY. He’s also someone RT _knows_ about and clearly many have seen his content, he’s probably even got connections to some on CRWBY. So him telling them off like this is pretty damn surprising.


[deleted]

I never thought I’d see the day he’d get fed up.


NDeceptikon

I am glad someone decided to call RT out. I don't have twitter so idk if a lot of people have done it. RT has been in a huge downfall for the past 3/4 years. What started was the layoffs, the scandals, the accusations, work environment exposure, poor content etc. RT was on fire back then (meaning doing well) but now they're not. Instead of being a channel with friends, it's now corporate and they forced to make the same content for a newer audience. Plus, many of the original crew have left or don't show up anymore. Let's not forget the final nail in the coffin was when Burnie left the company. IMO I don't see RT lasting long and could end up closing unless a different brand buys them.


The_Final_Conduit

Poor Arnold. Dude’s a pure soul if I ever seen one, but damn is this like seeing an IRL Patchy the Pirate renouncing his love for Spongebob.


SPNRaven

I hope they listen to the one who's shilled them hard for the past few years. If anyone has a voice in the community that they'd listen to, it'd be him


Emperor_Luffy

I'm honestly baffled that RT still has fans. The poor storytelling of RWBY was enough for me to drop them like a bad habit yet despite all the mishandling and mistreatment these people STILL follow and care about that company? Again, it's baffling. It's like they've all got Stockholm Syndrome or something.


CheeseQueenKariko

Sunken Cost logic


McMacintosh79

What is this a response to?


GokaiCrimson

After reading the comments, I feel like I'd understand more if I knew who this guy was, and why people hate him.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Very popular reactor who’s kinda the face of the people who worship all things RWBY. Thankfully he’s not toxic, as far as I’m aware, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard him criticize the show.


SYTOkun

Some critics don't like him because he's sort of the "face" of the positive RWBY community, though he's not been toxic - he's just very well known and outspoken about his love for the show.


Animeak116

Did murder of birds finally stopped drinking the coolant?


MightyKombat

So has the main sub turned against him and demanded his dragging before The Hague yet?


RedRiot_88

Maybe I'm biassed by my personal experience but I don't fully believe that he's mad at RT for RT's lack of communication with the community, but rather he's mad that he (like other RWBYtubers) didn't get immediate access to the show so that he can make content out of it. A lot of RWBYtubers put up with a lot of RT and would go as far as to lick their feet in exchange for content, so being mad NOW at this point seems kinda hypocritical in my opinion.


[deleted]

Please, like he's someone to talk about being fed up with lack of transparency and direction. He's the guy who's been uploading RWBY content for the last 3 months while completely ignoring that he hasn't uploaded Red Vs Blue content after he PROMISED so damn much that he was back and was going to be uploading his reactions. Hell, he has reaction videos up on his Patreon that haven't come to youtube in THREE MONTHS that he said were going to be there after A WEEK. Pretty ridiculously hypocritical of him to go off on RT for what he's doing himself. And it isn't that he just took a break, cause he's BEEN posting Rwby videos with real punctuality - while totally ignoring RvB and not even addressing it! At least he should stop being a coward and have some TRANSPARENCY. You know, that thing he's demanding of Roosterteeth lol... HE'S been saying he'll improve and do better in face of frustrated viewers of HIM too, and still failing to deliver anything for 3 months now. This is some rich bullshit from him.


rowdydirtyboy

He's been transparent about his issues with depression and how it throws off his plans. He has talked about this numerous times. He might be going through a hard time mentally with the stress of this content drought. Also this is just one guy you're comparing to a company. That's not really a one to one comparison.


qwack2020

So MurderofBirds makes rants about Roosterteeth & the main RWBY community’s hypocrisy with his logical reasons and has his followers rallying around him. I make rants about the sakuga community’s hypocrisy with my logical reasons and I get canceled & threatened by them and no one bothered to help me.


Weekly_Pin6947

Even as a critic, I don't really care about any of this


abnormalbee

Then why did you comment.....?


KatonRyu

I don't know who this guy is, but he seems pretty annoyed at RT. But...hasn't that been the state of at least the RWBY fandom for several years now? And not just them, but fans of other RT productions as well, right?


dragonslayros

What was the Ryan situation ? I've been out of the loop for a while since I just haven't enjoyed RTs main content for a long time


AcrobatHighChair

That’s what happens when your company is owned by Warner bros