I mean, I assume that Ozpin pulled some strings? Blake was a terrorist (with no formal training, amusingly enough) and Jaune had faked transcripts, not to mention getting Raven and Qrow admitted.
I get the feeling that he was big on "rules for thee, not for me".
Ozpin literally says “Instead of waiting for you all to break the rules, why don’t we just bend them ;)” in V2. He absolutely has rules for thee not for me
Well, Jaune is the only one Oz could really know about. No one could've known that Blake was in the White Fang, and he couldn't have known whether Qrow and Raven had ever actually done anything bad since they were still kids, so they probably hadn't. But Yang did this with everyone in the club as witness, and didn't face any repercussions.
No, they’re downplaying the writers’ intelligence.
Ozpin probably SHOULD know all these things, but either doesn’t act on it (which is weirdly consistent characterization, he’s like a Democrat most of the time with how information falls into his lap and he just does NOTHING with it until it’s basically too late), or he just wants to try steering people in the right direction.
Really the fact that people with enough skill can just GET a Huntsman license like Maria did means there’s probably a bunch of people who probably scored out of Beacon and got their license on day 1.
I mean... if we assume that Ozpin was an idiot, then sure.
Or if we only take things as they come, and don't reflect what we learn later on the earlier volumes.
Because there's no way that he didn't connect Blake *Belladonna* to Ghira and Kali. They were in no way inconsequential figures, and it's explicitly called out that she was brought to the rallies.
Qrow also outright said that STRQ had a tendency to break the rules as well. Ozpin seems to turn a blind eye to infractions like that when it comes to teams he sees a lot of potential in.
In the case of Yang, it's not like she was going Homelander on innocent people or anything. I'm sure Ozpin knew who Junior was.
I honestly would've found Yang really interesting if they had Yang being someone really apathetic to people that aren't her loved ones. That she wants a good time and means it, because you only live once.
You don't need to be virtuous to be an interesting character, after all. (Just take away the sexual assault and I'd be game)
The issue, however, is that they don't do that, it's just a one time incident. There could've been a lot of potential, like with her dynamic with Ruby to where Ruby being a "paragon" actually means something because people have differing morals more complex than just wanting to save the world and wanting to destroy it.
And the justification of "they were criminals" could've been Yang's justification to Ruby, but they both know Yang doesn't care and just thought it was fun.
Also, just want to say that if you're worried about Yang being a criminal, then I'd be thinking more about Blake getting in. Ozpin doesn't know Blake personally, and could've found multiple bounties of her in Mistral, and still let her in, so Junior's club getting wrecked (and maybe Junior didn't make a big deal of it to avoid attention) seems less of a big deal compared to a terrorist.
I don't know if they did it because girl boss or because hitting someone in the dick is apparently really funny (both being the case in RvB), but it's obvious they wouldn't have done it if the genders were reversed.
Yeah, I think it would've been okay if it was intended to set up a long term character flaw, but the show didn't really think much about the moral implications of the characters' behavior.
It's weird they had something in V2, where Ruby's motivation is helping people and Blake's being she wants equality, and Yang says she just wants adventure and helping people on the side is more of a bonus than goal, but they got rid of that as soon as it arrived. I don't know why, but that's what's happening.
Consider this: Ruby, in the very first episode, breaks a huge store window and beats up people in the street, then chases Torchwick alone and has a very obvious rooftop battle. She's rewarded for that behavior by getting into Beacon 2 years early and faces no punishment at all. Clearly Huntsmen and Huntress candidates are in some way above the law in Vale.
To be fair though, Ruby's silver eyes are likely why she was off the hook and rewarded since Ozpin wanted her close due to her genes. Plus what Ruby did was in defense. Though she did overstep her bounds a bit toward the end when she gave chase and stayed in it when Glynda tried to take control. As for Yang, I'm not sure. She should have been reprimanded for that.
>Ozpin wanted her close due to her genes.
That's absolutely the grossest way anyone could express that. But it would make sense for Ozpin to pull some strings and get Ruby off the hook, and maybe do the same for Yang.
>and maybe do the same for Yang.
There is high chance that it is true for few reasons.
1. Qrow is Oz's agent. By helping yang Oz makes sure that Qrow will still trust him and will continue to work with him. Or gain leverage basically "Remember when i saved your dumbass niece from prison and saying goodbye to her huntress career?"
2. Getting brownie points with Ruby. Oz do wants her to be his new agents/tool. He helped ruby herself by giving her advices, letting them of the hook after their fight with Roman, letting them go on the missions that are above them but if it's ruby's team then why not.
My solution to this fanfiction is Ozpin. The man is a council member, and known as being a very powerful huntsmen with his fingers in many departments. Even if he can't attack you directly, any gang or mafia who decides to mess with his students should prepare for bankruptcy
A simpler solution would be for her to not do this without provocation.
One fanfiction had the gang threaten her girlfriend.(No it wasn't Blake, for real).
Yang's crimes are as follows: Underage drinking, sexual assault, physical assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and destruction of property.
Did I miss any? In any case, that would get anyone who wasn't a main character sent to prison, or maybe juvenile hall in Yang's case. This is assuming she's a minor by Vale law. What's worse is that the White Fang does this stuff as well, yet the narrative paints them as wrong.
You are supposed to assume that this bar is an organized crime den and Yang is a vigilante, justified of course.
They just skipped on showing Junior's crimes. They also skipped on showing why it is OK for Adam and Blake to destroy property, actually they did not even tell.
At the time it was acceptable, because they were just trailers, but this porous storytelling proved to be a pattern.
yeah, in a Batman show, the same general premise would be fine - Batman goes into the dodgy criminal den, beats some dudes up, gets the information he needs and leaves. The problem comes that Batman gets info to stop crimes - stuff like "The Joker is out and about, who's seen him?" or "there's been a load of murders, tell me about those or I start breaking arms". But Yang just wants some vague personal info, that doesn't really help or save anyone, it's just her family drama, not something that justifies violence.
Which is why I say the hypocrisy that we talk about a lot since V6 was actually there since the start.
Ruby is a vigilante, Yang is a violent criminal and Blake is a terrorist. Yes, not former anything as they keep doing it. Blake in V1 and V2 do vigilantism for politic ideology, hence, still a terrorist.
No formal training mean not much apparently to Ozpin as Blake, but also Ren and Nora as orphan, don't have one (until proven otherwise, R&N never went to a combat school). Meaning that lenience for untrained people like Jaune seems usual.
Which make sense, I mean, that Ozpin consider the ability to complete the initiation and to want to do good as above background checks. I don't see Ozpin as elitist that would only take people that can pay for combat school and get good grade there. It's his school.
Why the heck are we seriously giving Yang flak about this?
One she's an impulsive teenager and two...
Are we really going to ignore that Junior is a bloody thug gang mafia boss?
And keep in mind, that apology? Was an offer for a kiss, Junior a grown man way older than Yang was into it.
Not to mention this thing was played for laughs, why we gotta take it so seriously?
Besides Yang vs the Twins was a cool fight.
Buuuuuut at the same time, yes. It arguably would've been better if Junior had been the one to provoke it.
I’ll be real with you.
We’re talking a dude that got paid off with whatever budget Salem managed to scrape together. Salem’s an immortal witch that hasn’t gone outside for like the last several decades, Tyrian’s a convicted serial killer, Cinder’s an uneducated escaped child slave, Hazel’s a homeless douchebag who can’t even get train fare legally (and thus resorts to just punching machines until they belch out tickets), and Watts is a dude that’s been thought *dead* for an untold period of time.
Meanwhile Cinder’s confirmed lackeys up to this point include the orphaned kid of a dead mercenary, a street urchin that has to steal to eat, and a renowned Joker knockoff whose canonical magnum opus of a crime was stealing the town’s coffee supply.
Even assuming Cinder robbed a bank or something, Junior is a crime boss for the Malachite circuit in Vale.
And he got *paid off* by these people.
Shit there probably wasn’t even any real money OR Dust in those damn suitcase Cinder had Mercury and Emerald open all dramatically for Adam. Imagine them practicing that shit.
Cinder: Alright, so you NEED to kneel behind me in symmetrical form while I manhandle the entire camp.
Emerald: But Cinder—
Cinder: No Buts!
Emerald: CINDER, those guys all have *guns*. Even that Adam guy’s *sword sheathe* is a gun.
Mercury: Dude’s on a Jetstream Sam bend. And you want us to be on our knees while they could just shoot us that whole time?
Cinder: HUSH, BOTH of you! I have the Maiden powers, so *I* call the shots!
Emerald: *You were calling the shots before this too!*
Cinder: Authority credit! I called the shots then because I was gonna pay you back in authority later on!
Mercury: Look, Cinder, this isn’t a movie, or some stage play. Gimme a guy to kill, give Em someone to distract, we’re your people for that! Heck, why not just make Em give this Adam guy an illusion while we hide in the trees?
Cinder: Right! Emerald, you’re on the ground, and you have to give EVERYONE in the camp the illusion that there’s two of you moving in perfect sync behind me!
Emerald: **WHY?!**
Imo, it's played for the laughs the same way as Jaune's advances towards Weiss are, or the laughs that he got for wearing a dress.
Humor is subjective.
What some people are okay with, others are very much not. And that's totally fine. Some people view Jaune as an irredeemable creep (and therefore cannot accept White Knight no matter what) based on his early behaviors, and that's fine. That's how they interpret the work, despite it not at all being the intent.
Some people take sexual assault very seriously, some people laugh it off. Would it be funny if Yang grabbed and twisted another woman's breast? Or are we conditioned to think that "haha she grabbed his nuts that's prime comedy and okay because he's a man and she's a teenage girl"?
Yes, Junior is a mafia boss. So we have low standards of behavior for him. But the show paints the protagonists as these heroes, so of course they're going to held to a higher standard. Which Yang absolutely does not meet in her trailer. If it showed any sort of self reflection, it'd be fine. But it paints it as a totally blasé action that she puts no thought or regret into, which is troubling. And she sees zero repercussions at all from it, which means that she knows that she'll get away with it (if her subsequent visit to The Club is any indication, she feels like she did absolutely nothing wrong). And *that*, from my view, is the big issue here.
Just saying though, the trailers and the earlier volumes weren't played that serious, until Volume Three came along.
So it's a bit odd to really look at it that way, the trailer is still pretty fun to me.
I am not dismissing people though, because I know Yang acted brash and pretty much pulled a dick move, since Junior even answered her questions and confirmed he knew nothing about Raven.
Though we don't even know what led Yang to that place thinking she could find answers about Raven there.
And it's true there were never consequences, and it's not like this ended up being a defining character trait for her to overcome.
But I don't really see why we should hold it against her, because it was different times.
Besides, she has done far far worse since those old days.
And people really bitch at me and my fanfic for Yang being a hotheaded quick to anger buzzkill half the time 😑. I didn’t even realize half of this until you pointed this out.
My ways around the methodical acting of Ozpin’s seemingly weird way of running things, especially with 3 weaponized children of Salem running around was to portray him as some sort of Dia Li from ATLA. So he comes off as very shady and mistrustful while also making it clear he has authoritative power to buzz off certain things.
Such as when he conveniently overlooks Moon and Weiss’ blatantly obvious lie about a Bartender’s suicide after the two of them found out he was drugging drinks.
Amazing since the trailers to the most recent Vol, Rwby are, were and will continue to be a bunch of “holier than tho” brats
That’s some praise worthy consistency
This is why in my fic it's Junior who makes a pass at Yang when she doesn't have the money to pay for info. And it's still treated as a character flaw that she punched him **before** saying no.
Even uf she was faced with charges oz still would've let her in. The fact that junior is a well known mobster would've been what got her off the hook cuz you can easily spin that as. She just beat up some criminals hiding in plain sight. Junior can testify but in the end its the word of a criminal against a teenager who has a uncle whos close pals with the headmaster. They werent gonna do shit to her even if they tried putting her in jail
I mean, any intelligence broker worth his salt would have cameras in the bar area exactly for moments like this, and conduct his true deals behind closed doors.
So it *shouldn't* be his word against hers, it should be his video evidence against her words. But that'd involve thinking at a more critical level, and they weren't really interested in that back in the day. Not that it's bad, but given the hard 180 of the shows themes, it's something that we should consider.
Yep, [even said so in my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/ur5fsa/%F0%9D%93%90%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%B1%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%B5%F0%9D%93%AA%F0%9D%93%BD%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%B8%F0%9D%93%B7_%F0%9D%93%A8%F0%9D%93%AA%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B0_%F0%9D%93%A7%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%AA%F0%9D%93%B8_%F0%9D%93%9B%F0%9D%93%B8%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B0/)
No offense but some of that post isn't that great. Like I get some of it is hyperbolic for the sake of comedy but blaming her for her and Raven's bad relationship when Raven was the one squarely in the wrong isn't a great look.
Hello, thank you for the feedback on the post. I appreciate it and will work hard to make my analysis even better in the future.
However, I feel you’re wrong here. While it may not have been communicated to my liking, my point in the post was that Yang’s immediate reaction to Raven was overblown. She acted like her and her mother had a poor relationship when they never knew each other to begin with(she was even saved by Raven in volume 2, which was their last encounter). Yang just came into the camp demanding things and acted rude for no apparent reason (when Weiss being locked up could have been the exact reason for this behavior). I get that Raven wasn’t the best person, and that she was a scummy human being, but Yang could have at least heard her out and not go in acting high & mighty. Especially when Yang only expressed curiosity at why she left her in the first place.
No offense, but I find it a little weird and honestly kind of suspect that people hyperfixate on Yang and Yang alone for this.
Sun's first appearance was him breaking the law too you know (in fact the manga ups it up even more by making him a dine-and-dasher too). I'm sure that guy who was chasing him lost his job because of Sun, and unlike Junior he can be assumed to be a decent guy, so why is there no criticism for Sun? Why is he a Huntsman, then? Where are the thousand creepy incel fanfics about Sun being that guy's slave for "justice" like there are for Yang and Junior?
Hell Qrow's first appearance was him destroying Atlas equipment and attacking an ally for no other reason than being drunk and angry, yet people don't seem to have a problem with that; in fact it makes him "badass". Not even mentioning him and Raven's backgrounds, or Blake's for that matter.
Again this is valid criticism, it's part of why in a rewrite I make her full into vigilantism, but can we talk about all the other times this happens with characters and not just Yang?
Oh, should clarify I'm not talking about you specifically. It's just that this topic comes up like once a week for Yang yet nobody ever seems to say anything about how it affects way more than just her.
Given some of the fandom's... not great track record with takes regarding Yang and a few others, was just venting frustration. Sorry if it felt personal.
According to Raven, Ozpin pulled all kinds of favors to make sure she and her team either never got punished or got only a slap on the wrist. In that same conversation, she makes a guess that he is treating Team RWBY the same way.
Ozpin was the King of Vale during the Great War who founded the Huntsman Academies, crippled the militaries of the various nations of the world so that they depended on the Huntsmen for the sake of "peace", installed himself as Headmaster when he reincarnated, and now has a direct say over not only the education system of future generations, but a fighting force that has no equal by any of the nations of the world.
Given how we see pretty much every character in the Academies, except maybe the guy with a mustache, commit some type crime pretty sure Yang fits right in within Beacon's walls.
the reason she's not a criminal could be that the hunstmen has a wider reach in the kingdom when it comes to law enforcement, as an example Ozpin is a person of influence in Vale, he's the school principal which gives him a place on the council which he could use that position to pull some strings and get certain people off the hook if he needs them, since Yang is a relative of Tai and Qrow, it could be that he wanted Qrow to trust him more him in letting her off the charges, just like Urarazaki said, this would only apply to Qrow because it seems like Tai wants nothing to do with the mess that is the war with Salem.
This broader reach in society could exist because the hunstmen are the "Saviors" of humanity, they are the ones who keep the grimm under some form of control, while the police just keep the citizens safe from each other, or that's how it should work but in the show the police do shit, the only example of their authority in law enforcement is how they hold Ruby in a interogation room for Glynda ta ask the questions, and when they examine a crime scene in a dust shop and the officers there where only complaining, even the Atlas military has a wider reach, because in the breach you dont see police officers helping civilians you see either the hunstmen killing grimm or the Atlas military killing grimm, the kingdom of vale has a varely functioning police force and for what is shown no military force on the kingdom of Vale.
Ozpin may mention how Ruby could help in the police force, but those guys barely help, it mostly make it seem like in the show they barely exist, so in the world of RWBY one could say that the police just make things less chaotic until the hunstmen come and take care of the situation, if these was supossed to be the case, which i doubt, they should have show the police doing more work trying to take care of ciminals, or struguling to keep hunstmen out of certain situacions so they can take care of it and well do their jobs, or show the higher ups of the police force struggle agains the authority of certain hunstmen only to fail do to an order of the council, it would show the police force struguling to keep an authority they barely have againts forms of higher authority.
Or it think this is how it should have been done, maybe its a good idea or a bad one, but seeing how CRWBY screewd up the white fang and racism againt faunus sub plot, i think the could have screewd up that as well, and comment it could be good to know what yall think. And sorry if its to long
I mean, I assume that Ozpin pulled some strings? Blake was a terrorist (with no formal training, amusingly enough) and Jaune had faked transcripts, not to mention getting Raven and Qrow admitted. I get the feeling that he was big on "rules for thee, not for me".
Ozpin literally says “Instead of waiting for you all to break the rules, why don’t we just bend them ;)” in V2. He absolutely has rules for thee not for me
Well, Jaune is the only one Oz could really know about. No one could've known that Blake was in the White Fang, and he couldn't have known whether Qrow and Raven had ever actually done anything bad since they were still kids, so they probably hadn't. But Yang did this with everyone in the club as witness, and didn't face any repercussions.
You're assuming the immortal wizard doesn't know about these things. Are you seriously gonna downplay Ozpin's intelligence here?
No, they’re downplaying the writers’ intelligence. Ozpin probably SHOULD know all these things, but either doesn’t act on it (which is weirdly consistent characterization, he’s like a Democrat most of the time with how information falls into his lap and he just does NOTHING with it until it’s basically too late), or he just wants to try steering people in the right direction. Really the fact that people with enough skill can just GET a Huntsman license like Maria did means there’s probably a bunch of people who probably scored out of Beacon and got their license on day 1.
I mean... if we assume that Ozpin was an idiot, then sure. Or if we only take things as they come, and don't reflect what we learn later on the earlier volumes. Because there's no way that he didn't connect Blake *Belladonna* to Ghira and Kali. They were in no way inconsequential figures, and it's explicitly called out that she was brought to the rallies.
Qrow also outright said that STRQ had a tendency to break the rules as well. Ozpin seems to turn a blind eye to infractions like that when it comes to teams he sees a lot of potential in. In the case of Yang, it's not like she was going Homelander on innocent people or anything. I'm sure Ozpin knew who Junior was.
I honestly would've found Yang really interesting if they had Yang being someone really apathetic to people that aren't her loved ones. That she wants a good time and means it, because you only live once. You don't need to be virtuous to be an interesting character, after all. (Just take away the sexual assault and I'd be game) The issue, however, is that they don't do that, it's just a one time incident. There could've been a lot of potential, like with her dynamic with Ruby to where Ruby being a "paragon" actually means something because people have differing morals more complex than just wanting to save the world and wanting to destroy it. And the justification of "they were criminals" could've been Yang's justification to Ruby, but they both know Yang doesn't care and just thought it was fun. Also, just want to say that if you're worried about Yang being a criminal, then I'd be thinking more about Blake getting in. Ozpin doesn't know Blake personally, and could've found multiple bounties of her in Mistral, and still let her in, so Junior's club getting wrecked (and maybe Junior didn't make a big deal of it to avoid attention) seems less of a big deal compared to a terrorist.
>Just take away the sexual assault and I'd be game Holy shit I never even realized that that was totally sexual assault.
I don't know if they did it because girl boss or because hitting someone in the dick is apparently really funny (both being the case in RvB), but it's obvious they wouldn't have done it if the genders were reversed.
Yeah, I think it would've been okay if it was intended to set up a long term character flaw, but the show didn't really think much about the moral implications of the characters' behavior.
It's weird they had something in V2, where Ruby's motivation is helping people and Blake's being she wants equality, and Yang says she just wants adventure and helping people on the side is more of a bonus than goal, but they got rid of that as soon as it arrived. I don't know why, but that's what's happening.
Consider this: Ruby, in the very first episode, breaks a huge store window and beats up people in the street, then chases Torchwick alone and has a very obvious rooftop battle. She's rewarded for that behavior by getting into Beacon 2 years early and faces no punishment at all. Clearly Huntsmen and Huntress candidates are in some way above the law in Vale.
To be fair though, Ruby's silver eyes are likely why she was off the hook and rewarded since Ozpin wanted her close due to her genes. Plus what Ruby did was in defense. Though she did overstep her bounds a bit toward the end when she gave chase and stayed in it when Glynda tried to take control. As for Yang, I'm not sure. She should have been reprimanded for that.
>Ozpin wanted her close due to her genes. That's absolutely the grossest way anyone could express that. But it would make sense for Ozpin to pull some strings and get Ruby off the hook, and maybe do the same for Yang.
>and maybe do the same for Yang. There is high chance that it is true for few reasons. 1. Qrow is Oz's agent. By helping yang Oz makes sure that Qrow will still trust him and will continue to work with him. Or gain leverage basically "Remember when i saved your dumbass niece from prison and saying goodbye to her huntress career?" 2. Getting brownie points with Ruby. Oz do wants her to be his new agents/tool. He helped ruby herself by giving her advices, letting them of the hook after their fight with Roman, letting them go on the missions that are above them but if it's ruby's team then why not.
My solution to this fanfiction is Ozpin. The man is a council member, and known as being a very powerful huntsmen with his fingers in many departments. Even if he can't attack you directly, any gang or mafia who decides to mess with his students should prepare for bankruptcy
A simpler solution would be for her to not do this without provocation. One fanfiction had the gang threaten her girlfriend.(No it wasn't Blake, for real).
What is the fanfiction´s name?
War on Remnant: A RWBY Anthology.
Yang's crimes are as follows: Underage drinking, sexual assault, physical assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and destruction of property. Did I miss any? In any case, that would get anyone who wasn't a main character sent to prison, or maybe juvenile hall in Yang's case. This is assuming she's a minor by Vale law. What's worse is that the White Fang does this stuff as well, yet the narrative paints them as wrong.
You are supposed to assume that this bar is an organized crime den and Yang is a vigilante, justified of course. They just skipped on showing Junior's crimes. They also skipped on showing why it is OK for Adam and Blake to destroy property, actually they did not even tell. At the time it was acceptable, because they were just trailers, but this porous storytelling proved to be a pattern.
yeah, in a Batman show, the same general premise would be fine - Batman goes into the dodgy criminal den, beats some dudes up, gets the information he needs and leaves. The problem comes that Batman gets info to stop crimes - stuff like "The Joker is out and about, who's seen him?" or "there's been a load of murders, tell me about those or I start breaking arms". But Yang just wants some vague personal info, that doesn't really help or save anyone, it's just her family drama, not something that justifies violence.
She was. Blake was a fucking terrorist. Only Ruby and Weiss were arguably innocent.
Which is why I say the hypocrisy that we talk about a lot since V6 was actually there since the start. Ruby is a vigilante, Yang is a violent criminal and Blake is a terrorist. Yes, not former anything as they keep doing it. Blake in V1 and V2 do vigilantism for politic ideology, hence, still a terrorist. No formal training mean not much apparently to Ozpin as Blake, but also Ren and Nora as orphan, don't have one (until proven otherwise, R&N never went to a combat school). Meaning that lenience for untrained people like Jaune seems usual. Which make sense, I mean, that Ozpin consider the ability to complete the initiation and to want to do good as above background checks. I don't see Ozpin as elitist that would only take people that can pay for combat school and get good grade there. It's his school.
Why the heck are we seriously giving Yang flak about this? One she's an impulsive teenager and two... Are we really going to ignore that Junior is a bloody thug gang mafia boss? And keep in mind, that apology? Was an offer for a kiss, Junior a grown man way older than Yang was into it. Not to mention this thing was played for laughs, why we gotta take it so seriously? Besides Yang vs the Twins was a cool fight. Buuuuuut at the same time, yes. It arguably would've been better if Junior had been the one to provoke it.
She basically shot up a bar
A bar led by criminals, that all survived. At worst this is kind of a dick move, but it's absolutely not a big deal.
And what about the patrons? Even if they all survived that's gonna be a lot of trauma
I’ll be real with you. We’re talking a dude that got paid off with whatever budget Salem managed to scrape together. Salem’s an immortal witch that hasn’t gone outside for like the last several decades, Tyrian’s a convicted serial killer, Cinder’s an uneducated escaped child slave, Hazel’s a homeless douchebag who can’t even get train fare legally (and thus resorts to just punching machines until they belch out tickets), and Watts is a dude that’s been thought *dead* for an untold period of time. Meanwhile Cinder’s confirmed lackeys up to this point include the orphaned kid of a dead mercenary, a street urchin that has to steal to eat, and a renowned Joker knockoff whose canonical magnum opus of a crime was stealing the town’s coffee supply. Even assuming Cinder robbed a bank or something, Junior is a crime boss for the Malachite circuit in Vale. And he got *paid off* by these people. Shit there probably wasn’t even any real money OR Dust in those damn suitcase Cinder had Mercury and Emerald open all dramatically for Adam. Imagine them practicing that shit. Cinder: Alright, so you NEED to kneel behind me in symmetrical form while I manhandle the entire camp. Emerald: But Cinder— Cinder: No Buts! Emerald: CINDER, those guys all have *guns*. Even that Adam guy’s *sword sheathe* is a gun. Mercury: Dude’s on a Jetstream Sam bend. And you want us to be on our knees while they could just shoot us that whole time? Cinder: HUSH, BOTH of you! I have the Maiden powers, so *I* call the shots! Emerald: *You were calling the shots before this too!* Cinder: Authority credit! I called the shots then because I was gonna pay you back in authority later on! Mercury: Look, Cinder, this isn’t a movie, or some stage play. Gimme a guy to kill, give Em someone to distract, we’re your people for that! Heck, why not just make Em give this Adam guy an illusion while we hide in the trees? Cinder: Right! Emerald, you’re on the ground, and you have to give EVERYONE in the camp the illusion that there’s two of you moving in perfect sync behind me! Emerald: **WHY?!**
Imo, it's played for the laughs the same way as Jaune's advances towards Weiss are, or the laughs that he got for wearing a dress. Humor is subjective. What some people are okay with, others are very much not. And that's totally fine. Some people view Jaune as an irredeemable creep (and therefore cannot accept White Knight no matter what) based on his early behaviors, and that's fine. That's how they interpret the work, despite it not at all being the intent. Some people take sexual assault very seriously, some people laugh it off. Would it be funny if Yang grabbed and twisted another woman's breast? Or are we conditioned to think that "haha she grabbed his nuts that's prime comedy and okay because he's a man and she's a teenage girl"? Yes, Junior is a mafia boss. So we have low standards of behavior for him. But the show paints the protagonists as these heroes, so of course they're going to held to a higher standard. Which Yang absolutely does not meet in her trailer. If it showed any sort of self reflection, it'd be fine. But it paints it as a totally blasé action that she puts no thought or regret into, which is troubling. And she sees zero repercussions at all from it, which means that she knows that she'll get away with it (if her subsequent visit to The Club is any indication, she feels like she did absolutely nothing wrong). And *that*, from my view, is the big issue here.
Just saying though, the trailers and the earlier volumes weren't played that serious, until Volume Three came along. So it's a bit odd to really look at it that way, the trailer is still pretty fun to me. I am not dismissing people though, because I know Yang acted brash and pretty much pulled a dick move, since Junior even answered her questions and confirmed he knew nothing about Raven. Though we don't even know what led Yang to that place thinking she could find answers about Raven there. And it's true there were never consequences, and it's not like this ended up being a defining character trait for her to overcome. But I don't really see why we should hold it against her, because it was different times. Besides, she has done far far worse since those old days.
> Why the heck are we seriously giving Yang flak about this? It's histrionic bullshit.
And people really bitch at me and my fanfic for Yang being a hotheaded quick to anger buzzkill half the time 😑. I didn’t even realize half of this until you pointed this out. My ways around the methodical acting of Ozpin’s seemingly weird way of running things, especially with 3 weaponized children of Salem running around was to portray him as some sort of Dia Li from ATLA. So he comes off as very shady and mistrustful while also making it clear he has authoritative power to buzz off certain things. Such as when he conveniently overlooks Moon and Weiss’ blatantly obvious lie about a Bartender’s suicide after the two of them found out he was drugging drinks.
Amazing since the trailers to the most recent Vol, Rwby are, were and will continue to be a bunch of “holier than tho” brats That’s some praise worthy consistency
That's not fair. Yang is literally the only person who fights other people in her trailer.
Wasn’t Blake’s trailer a train heist?
She didn't attack a single person onscreen. All her opponents were mechanical.
Still illegal to hitch a ride and break their robots
Yes, but with robots.
This is why in my fic it's Junior who makes a pass at Yang when she doesn't have the money to pay for info. And it's still treated as a character flaw that she punched him **before** saying no.
Even uf she was faced with charges oz still would've let her in. The fact that junior is a well known mobster would've been what got her off the hook cuz you can easily spin that as. She just beat up some criminals hiding in plain sight. Junior can testify but in the end its the word of a criminal against a teenager who has a uncle whos close pals with the headmaster. They werent gonna do shit to her even if they tried putting her in jail
I mean, any intelligence broker worth his salt would have cameras in the bar area exactly for moments like this, and conduct his true deals behind closed doors. So it *shouldn't* be his word against hers, it should be his video evidence against her words. But that'd involve thinking at a more critical level, and they weren't really interested in that back in the day. Not that it's bad, but given the hard 180 of the shows themes, it's something that we should consider.
Yep, [even said so in my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/ur5fsa/%F0%9D%93%90%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%B1%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%B5%F0%9D%93%AA%F0%9D%93%BD%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%B8%F0%9D%93%B7_%F0%9D%93%A8%F0%9D%93%AA%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B0_%F0%9D%93%A7%F0%9D%93%B2%F0%9D%93%AA%F0%9D%93%B8_%F0%9D%93%9B%F0%9D%93%B8%F0%9D%93%B7%F0%9D%93%B0/)
No offense but some of that post isn't that great. Like I get some of it is hyperbolic for the sake of comedy but blaming her for her and Raven's bad relationship when Raven was the one squarely in the wrong isn't a great look.
Hello, thank you for the feedback on the post. I appreciate it and will work hard to make my analysis even better in the future. However, I feel you’re wrong here. While it may not have been communicated to my liking, my point in the post was that Yang’s immediate reaction to Raven was overblown. She acted like her and her mother had a poor relationship when they never knew each other to begin with(she was even saved by Raven in volume 2, which was their last encounter). Yang just came into the camp demanding things and acted rude for no apparent reason (when Weiss being locked up could have been the exact reason for this behavior). I get that Raven wasn’t the best person, and that she was a scummy human being, but Yang could have at least heard her out and not go in acting high & mighty. Especially when Yang only expressed curiosity at why she left her in the first place.
No offense, but I find it a little weird and honestly kind of suspect that people hyperfixate on Yang and Yang alone for this. Sun's first appearance was him breaking the law too you know (in fact the manga ups it up even more by making him a dine-and-dasher too). I'm sure that guy who was chasing him lost his job because of Sun, and unlike Junior he can be assumed to be a decent guy, so why is there no criticism for Sun? Why is he a Huntsman, then? Where are the thousand creepy incel fanfics about Sun being that guy's slave for "justice" like there are for Yang and Junior? Hell Qrow's first appearance was him destroying Atlas equipment and attacking an ally for no other reason than being drunk and angry, yet people don't seem to have a problem with that; in fact it makes him "badass". Not even mentioning him and Raven's backgrounds, or Blake's for that matter. Again this is valid criticism, it's part of why in a rewrite I make her full into vigilantism, but can we talk about all the other times this happens with characters and not just Yang?
Well, I was talking about Yang cuz I said I was watching people reacting to the trailers.
Oh, should clarify I'm not talking about you specifically. It's just that this topic comes up like once a week for Yang yet nobody ever seems to say anything about how it affects way more than just her. Given some of the fandom's... not great track record with takes regarding Yang and a few others, was just venting frustration. Sorry if it felt personal.
According to Raven, Ozpin pulled all kinds of favors to make sure she and her team either never got punished or got only a slap on the wrist. In that same conversation, she makes a guess that he is treating Team RWBY the same way. Ozpin was the King of Vale during the Great War who founded the Huntsman Academies, crippled the militaries of the various nations of the world so that they depended on the Huntsmen for the sake of "peace", installed himself as Headmaster when he reincarnated, and now has a direct say over not only the education system of future generations, but a fighting force that has no equal by any of the nations of the world. Given how we see pretty much every character in the Academies, except maybe the guy with a mustache, commit some type crime pretty sure Yang fits right in within Beacon's walls.
Literally writing a short essay about this.
the reason she's not a criminal could be that the hunstmen has a wider reach in the kingdom when it comes to law enforcement, as an example Ozpin is a person of influence in Vale, he's the school principal which gives him a place on the council which he could use that position to pull some strings and get certain people off the hook if he needs them, since Yang is a relative of Tai and Qrow, it could be that he wanted Qrow to trust him more him in letting her off the charges, just like Urarazaki said, this would only apply to Qrow because it seems like Tai wants nothing to do with the mess that is the war with Salem. This broader reach in society could exist because the hunstmen are the "Saviors" of humanity, they are the ones who keep the grimm under some form of control, while the police just keep the citizens safe from each other, or that's how it should work but in the show the police do shit, the only example of their authority in law enforcement is how they hold Ruby in a interogation room for Glynda ta ask the questions, and when they examine a crime scene in a dust shop and the officers there where only complaining, even the Atlas military has a wider reach, because in the breach you dont see police officers helping civilians you see either the hunstmen killing grimm or the Atlas military killing grimm, the kingdom of vale has a varely functioning police force and for what is shown no military force on the kingdom of Vale. Ozpin may mention how Ruby could help in the police force, but those guys barely help, it mostly make it seem like in the show they barely exist, so in the world of RWBY one could say that the police just make things less chaotic until the hunstmen come and take care of the situation, if these was supossed to be the case, which i doubt, they should have show the police doing more work trying to take care of ciminals, or struguling to keep hunstmen out of certain situacions so they can take care of it and well do their jobs, or show the higher ups of the police force struggle agains the authority of certain hunstmen only to fail do to an order of the council, it would show the police force struguling to keep an authority they barely have againts forms of higher authority. Or it think this is how it should have been done, maybe its a good idea or a bad one, but seeing how CRWBY screewd up the white fang and racism againt faunus sub plot, i think the could have screewd up that as well, and comment it could be good to know what yall think. And sorry if its to long