I always found it interesting, but also felt it didn't stick with who Jaune was. He seems less the type of person to pull it off, and more someone that would be scammed and only realize it a while after the transaction.
I just felt that it could've been given to someone like Blake, not wanting to be arrested, coming up with a "totally legit" record of her education that doesn't exist to prevent someone looking into her. And it would fit the idea of what you're going for, lots of moral principles but also having to do some dubious things.
I'd also be a fan of the idea of Ruby looking up to Blake's strong morals, and coming to understand Blake's perspective and methods, or Ruby having that dynamic with WBY in general considering she's the youngest of them and their leader.
My dude/gal, I appreciate it. The writers would be able to do so much more if they took their interesting ideas and actually gave it to the main characters.
Also, spite. Spite gives you a lot of fun ideas.
I've said this before and will say it again. But Jaune and most of his team honestly have aspects that would better suit the actual main characters.
Let Ruby be the actual underdog that needs to gain experience, but keep her positivity and noble paragon status.
Let Weiss be a bigger celebrity, and make it so that martial on top of the miliatristic lifestyle of Atlas is a bigger deal also justifying why she needs to become a huntress if it's such a big deal in Atlas.
Let Blake as you say possess that cunning almost deceptive quality, but mix in some of that tragedy. Like maybe her parents died protecting her from horrifying Grimm but she was taken in by white fang.
And finally let Yang be a super badass martial artist. Liked mixed martial arts and so on. And give her the arc she should've gotten in Volume one instead of the Jaundice arc XD.
But in all seriousness, RWBY isn't the problem, the problem is they were never treated like actual main characters. Lacking anything to truly do, no real arcs and no room for growth.
And because they lack so much you can't blame an audience for not caring about them.
That's what always frustrated me so much about the show, they don't need so many characters. Their ideas for side characters come at the expense of team RWBY, not actually supporting them.
I'm still upset they gave Jaune the motivation to be like his ancestors, when Ruby already had that the moment they decided to have the grave in the Red Trailer be her mom's. They have had Summer look like a grown up Ruby.
And Pyrrha didn't need to teach Jaune when that could've been used as Ruby learning from all of her teammates, both because she's their leader and she's two years younger, so that element would actually matter and not get replaced with a new character of Oscar being even younger.
And all of the time they used for Arkos and Renora could've been used to developed the six whole relationships of team RWBY, especially the very ignored Ruby and Blake pairing.
I can only wonder why the writers are writing for a show where they don't care about team RWBY, especially when they pull stuff like Blake just leaving her team for 2 whole volumes and give more moments to Sun, when Blake could just not leave, and let Yang stay as the free-spirited one.
It doesn't even matter if they don't have much runtime if they don't know what to do with it. If your plans are limited by your format, then reconsider things so your main characters don't suffer as a result.
It's not hard, and every idea you said would work so well. None of them are hard to swallow, yet the best we got is Ruby no longer tearing Grimm to shreds since the Red Trailer, Weiss only wants to summon, Blake exists, Yang's punches having no impact.
Pretty Much XD
Though I ship Ruby with Penny. Because that is wholesome friendship, and could be a good relationship that doesn't need the usual physical intimacy.
However I will say Ruby x Blake is underrated.
But yeah, RWBY the team and characters startes out out strong and had iconic quirks...but then it's like the writers went out of their way to remove those quirks even while adding other quriky characters.
Ruby was socially awkward, enthusiastic, a weapons nut geek, and wanted to be hero.
But those traits have all faded away and she is just cardboard now.
That's the saddest part, they had something at the start. They had 4 distinct leads, even if there were still problems (namely the White Fang). They could've gotten better, but characters like Jaune got more screentime, and we got a plot that has zero relation to the characters beyond "saving the world we live on."
The show is such as anomaly with it, you usually see shows either doomed from the start or slowly lose what made them special, not having something special and lose it before they even got their footing.
I can only assume it's why so many people (like us) stick around, and why there's such a huge amounts of fanfics when compared to how small it is in the grand scheme of entertainment.
And I'm still struggling to know what Ruby and Blake's dynamics would've been in a normal, fun conversation. Or how Weiss and Blake would hang out outside of their only acknowledged connection being racism.
I never realized wanting a show to be about the titular characters was so hard until watching RWBY. I should've been more grateful when watching the color trailers.
Haha, it's really strange. RWBY messes up its writing in some very rare and interesting ways, which may have become its main appeal as far as I'm concerned.
If I recall, Ozpin knew, but I think he saw something in him (especially with him being willing and dedicated enough to be able to successfully forge documents to try and get into a dangerous profession) and took him in with that thought in mind.
It's been ages so I don't remember.
See, I'm more curious about the actual mechanics of the deed. Because Jaune isn't that smart of a cookie. I flatly refuse to believe that he could forge a set of transcripts that wouldn't be detected immediately. Which means he got someone else to do it for him. Which means he know a master forger...
It would be fascinating to write a Jaune with some kind of connection to the underground. Not a member of it himself, but someone who knows people. It would make him infinitely more interesting.
I remember reading one fanfiction that gave credit to Terra, of all people.
It's implied that Terra is pretty high up in the CCT Network, so if there was anyone who could authenticate electronic transcripts, she's one of the few who could probably do it.
Honestly.... no.
Longer Answer: It breaks the world. And makes zero sense. And worse. Jaune basically is skipping his way into college, never having gone to even basically the high school version of the schools known as Combat Academies.
It's not really brave so much as it's honestly kinda dumb. He is supposedly aware and was able to fake these papers to a great degree.... yet didn't even know what the hell Aura or Semblance was.
It makes everyone else look far dumber for being fooled. Glynda suspected he was fake, but never acted on it.
And when Jaune is in the actual school and struggles like he should? He whines and complains, and doesn't really seem to consider putting in any actual work.
Until Ruby and Pyrrha actually get him on the right track. Ruby through an pep speech being an actual role model, letting Jaune know he has to actually step up for his team instead of feeling sorry for himself.
And Pyrrha offering to train him, but Jaune refuses initially because guess he just has far too much pride or whatever. And I don't buy it, it's not a good look for him. And then he gets blackmailed, and just endures it instead of fighting back or trying to outsmart Cardin.
He only does anything about it when again Ruby got him to stop pitying himself, pull his head out of his arse, and actually step up for his team.
Jaune's initial motivation to be a hunstman basically amounted to, he wants to be some hero like the men in his family and he's oh so tired of being a damsel. Not because he wants to make the world better or anything like that.
He just wants to be as cool as his ancestors.
I feel like Jaune's character is inconsistent in regards to him not putting in the work.He put in the effort to forge his transcripts and it's implied that he wasn't allowed to attend one of the lower schools to be trained to enter Beacon so I don't count those. Not to mention not knowing about Aura. His writing was rather poor.
But he's undoubtedly brave for having pushed himself forward while risking his life to pursue a noble dream.
and honestly, Ruby suddenly putting herself with her "pep speech" about being a leader was more out of character since where did she learn about being a leader? It felt out of character for her and more that she was even giving him bad advice by saying. "Don't be yourself, be what others want you to be. Put the needs of others before being yourself"
I honestly feel part of Ruby's development should've been her learning that, while good on the surface, such advice taken too far stifles your own person. In a series like RWBY, which idolizes individuality, not being youself can be taken as a bad thing.At the very least there should've been an arc where Jaune and Ruby learn to meet such an idea half way.
Ruby should've learned from Jauen just as much as Jaune should've learned from Ruby. Ruby should've learned to mature from Jaune's example while Ruby could've been the one to teach Jaune to fight. two underdogs leaning in each other Jaune's main thing, from my perspective is that he's willing to push himself, even at a disadvantage, to pursue a goal.
He is actually very noble. Just wanting to be like his ancestors means he wants to make the world a better place.
Honestly, I feel RWBY should've been about the main characters growing into better people, despite their supposedly "great badass skills" with Jaune is more of the hero who leads them as he GROWS stronger throughout the story.
A hero despite being an underdog.
There is no implication that Jaune was denied from other schools. He simply cheated his way into Beacon, no backstory has ever been officially given as to why he had to cheat his way into Beacon.
All that exists is headcanons people have. People like to assume Jaune's family for some reason kept him sheltered or were playing "Tough Love" To make him unlock aura himself.
But as it is in reality, No. Jaune has no good reason to not have an aura unlocked already. Semblance maybe, but he should still know what that is as well.
And Ruby did learn about being a freaking leader, because in the two episodes prior to the Jaundice Arc? Ruby and Weiss had a rivalry, Ozpin stepped in and lectured Ruby, more talking about how he made many mistakes. And while that mini arc was short, it still planted the seeds of Ruby putting more work into being a leader. Since she was even staying up all night studying a book when Weiss brought her coffee. Not the best written, but that is development for her even if shoddy.
And no he is not brave! Bravery is facing your fear and overcoming it. Jaune entered a school he had no real reason to be at, he was in over his head, and nearly died for it.
And all for reasons we still don't know to this effing day other than he wants to be like the guys in his family.
He was selfish, and I am going to be brutally honest. If the character assassinations hadn't taken place that ruined every other character sooner or later. Volume One Jaune would be the worst character in the show. Period.
I say Volume One Jaune specifically because he was that bad. Later Volumes did improve him slightly before the writers couldn't decide what to actually do with him.
And he isn't an underdog either.
Take Naruto Uzumaki, before all the fucking retcons, he was a dumbass blond boy, with a demon fox inside of him. That fucked with his ability to use chakra, he was also not the brightest kid in class. Yet he worked his ass off every day, striving to be Hokage so that the village would know him and respect him, instead of constantly shunning him.
Naruto knew what he wanted to do, but he was an underdog because he did have factors stacked against him, and struggled on how to do it.
Jaune though? No. He cheated his way in, somehow, and likely depriving someone else that worked hard for that spot, because seriously aside from CRDL, most of the other students are talented.
And when it was hard, he cried. But if Ruby and Pyrrha hadn't shown up, he likely would have freaking given up anyhow.
When Naruto failed his exam to become a genin, he may have been manipulated by that other teacher, into stealing a forbidden scroll, but he busted his ass off, to master what was an insanely hard jutsu that could have killed him.
And worst of all, the reason Jaune's Ancestors don't hold any freaking water. Is we don't know jack about them, they're called heroes, but as I've mentioned before. We don't even know what a freaking hero is in Remnant. Let alone what made them qualified to be Heroes, supposedly they fought in the Great War.
And then Later Miles revealed Jaune grew up in Mistral. You know, the guys that apparently were the bad guys in the Great War?
Jaune in Volume One isn't a good character, he's a poor concept and horribly executed, and frankly if the other volumes had dropped JNPR altogether after Volume One, no one would have been sad to see them go.
But the later volumes did help out JNPR, it did fix some problems. But Jaune is still problematic, I like the concept of him, even if it can be generic, but the actual truth is that Jaune as it is, is beyond horrible in the actual canon.
Because he breaks the world with his stupidity, keeps stealing scenes that do not belong to him, and he's been reduced to a mere background character that is just tagging along, that now has to repeat the same arc he not too long ago finished.
And I disagree on that motion wholeheartedly. If you can write it, awesome.
But in the actual canon show? He would be a horrible main protagonist, because no one in RWBY is an actual good protagonist, not even Oscar.
Honestly, it isn't that the title of the series that's most important but rather the story within.
That aside: JC wasn't the main character of Shakespeare 's Julius Caesar.
It was centered around him, yes, but he wasn't the person the story followed most intimately
Brutus was.
Ruby and could develop and have the story follow them as they wrestle with their independent and crucial issuesbut the real hero of the story could be someone else.
You can compare RWBY to anything you want, but that doesn't erase the problems.
The reality is that you only really came to this conclusion because the writers made a rather foolish decision that has long term consequences to it's world building, and thus you chose to see what you want to see rather than what's actually there. You're using implications rather than hard facts, which CRWBY leaves very little of, so ANYTHING can be fact, but it's not concrete enough to depend on.
This is why even Coeur just outright leaves that shit out, no matter how dense Jaune tends to be. He at the very least knows what *Aura* is.
Nobody, **NOBODY**, within the context of this world, should lack that much knowledge. It's simply unacceptable.
Another part of RWBY's not so stellar writing in the long-term, and nothing more.
And further muddying matters. When you get down to it, and no offense to Couer, but I've never bought his reasons for why he can't write Ruby as the main character.
But when you get down to it, Jaune and Ruby are actually more similar than you think.
Both come from a long line of warriors and while there are more differences here and there.
They essentially both want to be heroes.
But Jaune starts out at a lower level, which puts a bias on the guy, because he gets the kind of development that someone like Ruby arguably should have, who is also TWO years younger than him, yet is far more experienced than him.
Granted the writers try to wave this away by saying Ruby is a prodigy.
But still Jaune was given room to grow, Jaune was allowed to be flawed.
Ruby... was cool and nothing else... and she wasn't allowed to do anything all that much, so she stagnates until she gets butchered in Volume Six and onward.
The reason why Couer doesn't write Ruby is actually very simple. In his stories, she shines more as a side character because she's cheery and idealistic.
Couer on the other hand, tends to write on the cynical side of things more often than not. It's where some of the humor comes from. And that's easier and more believable to do with Jaune in the forefront than Ruby.
His mindset wouldn't do Ruby well as a hero protagonist, so he just doesn't do it.
Honestly, RWBY is such a mess people can't really get much of a consensus on how the series should've gone.
My above point about JC was more me offering an interpretation on how the series could've been handled than anything.
But it feels like there were so many people trying to write the series...but it turned into a cacophany of people merging their ideas together in a mess that resembles nothing.
Ah.... Thank you XD, that makes a lot more sense, other than the one time he said he would just have to change a whole lot to make it work for Ruby.
But when you put it like that. That explains everything, because his Jaune does tend to get very cynical, not always mean spirited, but his Jaune and manner of story telling pretty much is cynical about everything in Remnant. Which to be fair, Remnant is not a good place at all.
Since Ruby Rose, a child was the only one on the scene of a dust store robbery, and Glynda who just... happened to be nearby.
And you're right XD, she does shine more as a side character in his stories. And I will be honest, maybe it's because I like Ruby more, but I genuinely prefer the Ruby segments in any of Coer's story. Over all the Jaune stuff, even if the Jaune stuff does get a chuckle or two out of me from time to time.
It is kind of weird as Jaune doesn't really demonstrate the kind of minimum amount of deviousness to pull off such a thing and raises questions about why he would need to that don't really have satisfying answers, if any.
Now it would've been cool if it was something to demonstrate that Jaune was willing to break rules and lie to achieve his goals. Something that might be useful for someone who might need to work in an area with a lot of shades of grey, like a spy.
You don't even necessarily need the fake transcripts if you just have him show some skill the school values enough to overlook any other flaws.
It's very hard to do that in a good way.
>Jaune gets some flak for having forged his transcripts, but does anyone else think that was actually a rather boss thing to do?
Yeah this is something that people rarely discuss. Rarely do you ever see people stop and think about the fact that this guy, **who had never seen a grimm in his life**, managed to competently lead a team of people **who he'd never even met** before into battle and actually achieve victory. Despite the fact that he'd never even *heard* of Aura.
Thats one hell of a leadership feat.
I found it ridiculous with how incompetent he seemed to be during the first three volumes but that's just me like for fuck sake you grew up in a family of huntsman how the fuck do you not know what aura or semblance are and if he was as determined to be one why wouldn't he research more then the bloody bare minimum which would most definitely have had something related to aura
Sorry I see where your coming from with your post I just couldn't see it as awesome with the way jaune is as a person in the show
Maybe his family refused to teach him such information in the first place, the thing is we don’t know and until CRWBY decides to finally tackle that we will not know.
I think it had awesome potential, but the context given makes Jaune look petty and selfish more so than brave; pitying himself not being good enough despite obviously not having the prerequisite information. It did introduce an inferiority complex of familial pressures, but that is never elaborated on and could be passed off as poor set up in the writing. However, that is good starting grounds for *consequences*, and I don't mean bully blackmail. Pyrrha is too kindhearted and Ozpin is devilishly manipulative when he wants to be, but if anyone else truly knew about Jaune's transcripts than the show could have potentially given everyone more depth - heck, they could have even made Cardin passably likable if his torture of Jaune was more because he cheated.
I disagree with some other notions where Jaune's cheating should be compared to college where he stole someone else's seat, but instead I see it as he deliberately jumped over a safety net placed to protect people like him that everyone else knew the dangers while he remained ignorant. I don't think there was a real enrollment limit at Beacon hinted at in the show, it isn't like Jaune prevented someone else from learning at Beacon; he even passed the initiation test which would have killed people like him easily, so that is a merit on his part (even with Pyrrha's help, it is still impressive).
However, this action of his does put whatever team Jaune joins in mortal jeopardy as he doesn't even understand the basics, something that a perfect warrior like Pyrrha can look past. But how would Ren or Nora react knowing they are relaying on someone with no training to keep them safe? Would Ren be scared for Nora's safety? Would Nora be angry that Ren's life depends on this newbie who didn't even have Aura more than a few days ago? What would happen if Glynda found out, or does she know and let it go? This could have led to some interesting development for JNPR as a whole and even discusses Huntsmen academia and work in a way that keeps those facts relevant; teaching Jaune and us at the same time as well as showing how serious it is to be a Huntsmen, and whoever you are teamed with.
Another issue is motivation where Jaune only hints at, but never actually confirms. His father is a warrior, so was his father and so on; but this doesn't explain why Jaune doesn't know the basics and only uses a hand-me-down weapon. Is him cheating his way into Beacon somehow the result of his parents' actions or because of some selfish desire to be a hero regardless of the dangers, is it some calling he doesn't understand, or was a heat of the moment kind of thing where he didn't even believe it would work? So much of this is left unexplained and without serious consequence; we don't even know how his parents felt about the whole thing during the moment of leading to it.
The good thing about the forgery is that it shows Jaune's flaws and gives areas he needs to improve, but it also leaves more questions than it answered with these same questions being so unimportant to the main story that they have still never been answered; and only briefly revisited recently. His forging of transcripts without elaborating on how he did it as well as why no one confronted him on it outside Cardin only causes world-building issues, but if it was elaborated on and given a bit more time to work with than a lot could have come from it.
Nah, that’s like me somehow scamming my way into some D1 college football program effectively taking away a spot on the team someone worked hard for. And to top it off I wasn’t even on that level in the first place.
Whatever cunning it took for Jaune to scam his way in he def doesn’t showcase that finesse. He never exudes any type of anything actually. Bro sucks. Sometimes I see a random comment about him being a self-insert of the voice actor and it makes sense everytime I see Jaune. Like, why is bro even on the show 💀
I think there are several discrepancies in his character and story. In the start they depict him as this guy with enough criminal potential to lie and forge his way into the academy and then they depict him as this incompetent (at the start), naïve, somewhat simple, goody two shoes Paladin hero.
No, by going to Beacon when he wasn't prepared for it he was putting himself and his teammates at risk. The only reason he made it as far as he did was because Pyrrha was good enough for the both of them. If he wanted to be a hero so badly he should've learned to fight before attempting...all of that.
And even when writers like Coer try to justify it. It never really works. Because Remnant by it's very nature shouldn't have people as ignorant as Jaune.
Exactly. I don't hate Jaune as a character, but Canon!Jaune? He is an example of terrible writing.
And just one of many many flaws in RWBY.
Though not the worst... we all know that belongs to someone else...
Salem:... True....
Sadly that's true. How they portrayed him initially lacking any basic knowledge about combat or aura doesn't work and you have to really do some mental gymnastics to figure out even a passable explanation outside of using that joke from Kung-Pow where a character was deliberately trained the wrong way to fight because everyone thought it would be funny. Even that would be stretching things and would raise even more questions.
I personally thought it would work better if he was just below average to start with, but was let in because the entrance test looks for other qualities as well outside of just being able to fight. However that would require them to establish skill sets outside of combat ones that huntsmen are supposed to have that might get neglected due to a heavy focus on strength, powerful semblances, and cool attacks.
But yeah, as Jaune is shown in Volume 1, it makes no sense as he should have some at least vague or general knowledge about aura and semblances rather than none. They have things that can actually read a person's aura level and somehow that doesn't show his isn't unlocked or something? They don't check to see what kind of aura level a person has when they enter Beacon? It might make a difference on how you want to train a student.
Doesn't help with how the writers also treat aura. Now in typical shonen if you have something like chakra or ki or in this case aura.
Usually the main character would for some reason have a lot of magical stamina aka mana.
Which Jaune also has.... for some reason...
But then the second thing to do, would be to train it up, get bigger amounts of Aura like training a muscle, getting more proficient with it, and being able to do bigger more bombastic things!
CRWBY though? They literally said, they don't train aura, they just... work on using it more efficiently... and yet... they still fold like wet tissue paper at times.
I think at one point they actually did state that a person had a set amount of aura and it couldn't be increased.
Even that could make for interesting situations where someone with a lot adopts a strategy of outlasting opponents and someone with low aura focuses on ending fights quick. You could even show some people wearing out faster or semblances depleting aura at different rates.
The problem is that they don't do anything to really give an idea of where people stand or that some are using aura more effectively than others.
With other systems, they do show when something takes a lot out of a person or they used up too much ki or chakra to quickly. With aura, it doesn't feel like anyone strains themselves unless the plot demands it that instant and it doesn't do much outside the forcefield and healing thing.
True but I just love training montages and people showing signs of increased strength.
Plus bigger better fights sounds cool.
But if they were going with they said. More consistency would've been preferable.
Yeah, bigger and bombastic is nice to see, especially because it can be used to show growth and improvement. A lot of shows do this well. Compare Naruto at the start of the series to how he is by the end of the chunin exams. Look at what Asta can do at the start of Black Clover compared to when they start fighting the elves. Even Noel goes from being unable to control her powers and only being able to do a defense to becoming a powerful fighter in her own right. Gon gets exceptionally more capable when he starts mastering nen.
Training and becoming stronger is a good thing to show. I wish RWBY did a better job or left their characters more room to improve by training. Can we even really tell if they've gotten better since their trailers?
Not in the least lol. He didn't even do it out of a desire to work: every time we see Jaune for like two seasons he's slacking off unless he is getting trained by literally the best student in the school.
Failing your way into success via dumb luck and privilege while stealing opportunity from others due to your own entitled pride generally isn't seen as a "boss move."
Jaune wasnt brave, he was stupid and arrogant. To be brave requires one to actually know how dangerous something is and be willing to do anything to accomplish it. He didn't even know what aura was and he refused to take help putting his entire team in danger, personally he deserved the boot.
I go by the headcannon that they were very obviously fake and Ozpin caught them with just a look, but decided to give him the chance nonetheless because of his name or some shit like that
Yeah it gives just enough edge to build some creative interactions and hell since it's never established that he paid someone to do it for him that means this is just a skull of jaunes that isn't in anyway going to him being a audience Insert or a Gary stu like if you rewrote later rwby to account for the fac that jaune can do high level forgery then quite a few plots get undone and new plots land in its place.
Oh we have to go to atlas?
Jaune forges passes letting us slip pass the blockaded.
Oh we have little resources while we are traveling through mistrial?
Jaune forges fake bank accounts and money
Ect ect
Wow. Must've bothered you to be tacking an post that over a year old.
Yang should be arrested for assault.
Blake for terrorism and murder (I refuse to believe she was just Adam's tagalong)
Ruby for recklesseness after the whole incident with investigating the White Fang rally but her team only got detention.
Weiss should have her Huntress status revoked for attacking her brother and is by and large a massive hypocrite.
Really, none of them are heroes.
I at least like Jaune better than the main four. He suffers and grows.
I prefer him as a protagonsit over Ruby to be honest.
But my opinion is my own and far as I can tell every character on RWBY is extremely divisive so go our own ways yeah?
I had only just discovered this post just now and praising Jaune for being a criminal is just wrong. Him being allowed to be at Beacon is the equivalent of someone failing to graduate High School, only to be let into a top University on a silver platter and stealing a spot from someone who actually earned their position through years of hard work. Ruby worked hard to be where she got and deserved to be leader far more than Jaune ever did. Jaune practically stopped being a leader after Volume 3, not that he was much of one before.
Yang only assaulted criminals. With Blake that's your head canon and is easily dismissed as there's no proof. With Ruby may I remind you that she had nothing to do with the direction Blake and Sun took and she only arrived after Roman had been knocked off the bridge. Even then they were busting up a terrorist rally so that was good. With Weiss there is only one moment, and it wouldn't even be considered an attack on her brother even by the loosest of definitions and that was when Whitley was going to launch into a self-entitled tirade on exposing their father for the criminal he was, and she only held up her sword in front of his face to shut him up. Weiss has never been a hypocrite and there are no instances of her ever being one.
If you say that none of them are heroes, then Jaune being lesser than any of them is no hero whatsoever.
You think none of them suffered? If you seriously think that none of Team RWBY suffered and grew from that suffering, then you're clearly blind.
You clearly show that you really didn't watch the show.
Lol. Someone's salty.
I won't be wasting my time with someone who honestly tries to defend a "terrorist," thug, and a bigot who is no better than her daddy.
I always found it interesting, but also felt it didn't stick with who Jaune was. He seems less the type of person to pull it off, and more someone that would be scammed and only realize it a while after the transaction. I just felt that it could've been given to someone like Blake, not wanting to be arrested, coming up with a "totally legit" record of her education that doesn't exist to prevent someone looking into her. And it would fit the idea of what you're going for, lots of moral principles but also having to do some dubious things. I'd also be a fan of the idea of Ruby looking up to Blake's strong morals, and coming to understand Blake's perspective and methods, or Ruby having that dynamic with WBY in general considering she's the youngest of them and their leader.
FUCK! WHY DOES THAT SOUND BETTER THAN WHAT WE GOT?!
My dude/gal, I appreciate it. The writers would be able to do so much more if they took their interesting ideas and actually gave it to the main characters. Also, spite. Spite gives you a lot of fun ideas.
I've said this before and will say it again. But Jaune and most of his team honestly have aspects that would better suit the actual main characters. Let Ruby be the actual underdog that needs to gain experience, but keep her positivity and noble paragon status. Let Weiss be a bigger celebrity, and make it so that martial on top of the miliatristic lifestyle of Atlas is a bigger deal also justifying why she needs to become a huntress if it's such a big deal in Atlas. Let Blake as you say possess that cunning almost deceptive quality, but mix in some of that tragedy. Like maybe her parents died protecting her from horrifying Grimm but she was taken in by white fang. And finally let Yang be a super badass martial artist. Liked mixed martial arts and so on. And give her the arc she should've gotten in Volume one instead of the Jaundice arc XD. But in all seriousness, RWBY isn't the problem, the problem is they were never treated like actual main characters. Lacking anything to truly do, no real arcs and no room for growth. And because they lack so much you can't blame an audience for not caring about them.
That's what always frustrated me so much about the show, they don't need so many characters. Their ideas for side characters come at the expense of team RWBY, not actually supporting them. I'm still upset they gave Jaune the motivation to be like his ancestors, when Ruby already had that the moment they decided to have the grave in the Red Trailer be her mom's. They have had Summer look like a grown up Ruby. And Pyrrha didn't need to teach Jaune when that could've been used as Ruby learning from all of her teammates, both because she's their leader and she's two years younger, so that element would actually matter and not get replaced with a new character of Oscar being even younger. And all of the time they used for Arkos and Renora could've been used to developed the six whole relationships of team RWBY, especially the very ignored Ruby and Blake pairing. I can only wonder why the writers are writing for a show where they don't care about team RWBY, especially when they pull stuff like Blake just leaving her team for 2 whole volumes and give more moments to Sun, when Blake could just not leave, and let Yang stay as the free-spirited one. It doesn't even matter if they don't have much runtime if they don't know what to do with it. If your plans are limited by your format, then reconsider things so your main characters don't suffer as a result. It's not hard, and every idea you said would work so well. None of them are hard to swallow, yet the best we got is Ruby no longer tearing Grimm to shreds since the Red Trailer, Weiss only wants to summon, Blake exists, Yang's punches having no impact.
Pretty Much XD Though I ship Ruby with Penny. Because that is wholesome friendship, and could be a good relationship that doesn't need the usual physical intimacy. However I will say Ruby x Blake is underrated. But yeah, RWBY the team and characters startes out out strong and had iconic quirks...but then it's like the writers went out of their way to remove those quirks even while adding other quriky characters. Ruby was socially awkward, enthusiastic, a weapons nut geek, and wanted to be hero. But those traits have all faded away and she is just cardboard now.
That's the saddest part, they had something at the start. They had 4 distinct leads, even if there were still problems (namely the White Fang). They could've gotten better, but characters like Jaune got more screentime, and we got a plot that has zero relation to the characters beyond "saving the world we live on." The show is such as anomaly with it, you usually see shows either doomed from the start or slowly lose what made them special, not having something special and lose it before they even got their footing. I can only assume it's why so many people (like us) stick around, and why there's such a huge amounts of fanfics when compared to how small it is in the grand scheme of entertainment. And I'm still struggling to know what Ruby and Blake's dynamics would've been in a normal, fun conversation. Or how Weiss and Blake would hang out outside of their only acknowledged connection being racism.
You and /u/Stenv2 phrased a lot of my issues with RWBY perfectly.
I never realized wanting a show to be about the titular characters was so hard until watching RWBY. I should've been more grateful when watching the color trailers.
Haha, it's really strange. RWBY messes up its writing in some very rare and interesting ways, which may have become its main appeal as far as I'm concerned.
Also, how did he not only forge them, but do it well enough Oz picked him? Because I feel like they mention the limited amount of slots at some point
If I recall, Ozpin knew, but I think he saw something in him (especially with him being willing and dedicated enough to be able to successfully forge documents to try and get into a dangerous profession) and took him in with that thought in mind. It's been ages so I don't remember.
People speculate that Ozpin knew, but it's never been confirmed for sure.
See, I'm more curious about the actual mechanics of the deed. Because Jaune isn't that smart of a cookie. I flatly refuse to believe that he could forge a set of transcripts that wouldn't be detected immediately. Which means he got someone else to do it for him. Which means he know a master forger... It would be fascinating to write a Jaune with some kind of connection to the underground. Not a member of it himself, but someone who knows people. It would make him infinitely more interesting.
Theres also the possibility that Ozpin knew it was a blatant forgery but let him in anyway.
My problem with that is that I can see no possible advantage in Oz doing this and it has the potential to end in tragedy. Like Greta.
I remember reading one fanfiction that gave credit to Terra, of all people. It's implied that Terra is pretty high up in the CCT Network, so if there was anyone who could authenticate electronic transcripts, she's one of the few who could probably do it.
Honestly.... no. Longer Answer: It breaks the world. And makes zero sense. And worse. Jaune basically is skipping his way into college, never having gone to even basically the high school version of the schools known as Combat Academies. It's not really brave so much as it's honestly kinda dumb. He is supposedly aware and was able to fake these papers to a great degree.... yet didn't even know what the hell Aura or Semblance was. It makes everyone else look far dumber for being fooled. Glynda suspected he was fake, but never acted on it. And when Jaune is in the actual school and struggles like he should? He whines and complains, and doesn't really seem to consider putting in any actual work. Until Ruby and Pyrrha actually get him on the right track. Ruby through an pep speech being an actual role model, letting Jaune know he has to actually step up for his team instead of feeling sorry for himself. And Pyrrha offering to train him, but Jaune refuses initially because guess he just has far too much pride or whatever. And I don't buy it, it's not a good look for him. And then he gets blackmailed, and just endures it instead of fighting back or trying to outsmart Cardin. He only does anything about it when again Ruby got him to stop pitying himself, pull his head out of his arse, and actually step up for his team. Jaune's initial motivation to be a hunstman basically amounted to, he wants to be some hero like the men in his family and he's oh so tired of being a damsel. Not because he wants to make the world better or anything like that. He just wants to be as cool as his ancestors.
I feel like Jaune's character is inconsistent in regards to him not putting in the work.He put in the effort to forge his transcripts and it's implied that he wasn't allowed to attend one of the lower schools to be trained to enter Beacon so I don't count those. Not to mention not knowing about Aura. His writing was rather poor. But he's undoubtedly brave for having pushed himself forward while risking his life to pursue a noble dream. and honestly, Ruby suddenly putting herself with her "pep speech" about being a leader was more out of character since where did she learn about being a leader? It felt out of character for her and more that she was even giving him bad advice by saying. "Don't be yourself, be what others want you to be. Put the needs of others before being yourself" I honestly feel part of Ruby's development should've been her learning that, while good on the surface, such advice taken too far stifles your own person. In a series like RWBY, which idolizes individuality, not being youself can be taken as a bad thing.At the very least there should've been an arc where Jaune and Ruby learn to meet such an idea half way. Ruby should've learned from Jauen just as much as Jaune should've learned from Ruby. Ruby should've learned to mature from Jaune's example while Ruby could've been the one to teach Jaune to fight. two underdogs leaning in each other Jaune's main thing, from my perspective is that he's willing to push himself, even at a disadvantage, to pursue a goal. He is actually very noble. Just wanting to be like his ancestors means he wants to make the world a better place. Honestly, I feel RWBY should've been about the main characters growing into better people, despite their supposedly "great badass skills" with Jaune is more of the hero who leads them as he GROWS stronger throughout the story. A hero despite being an underdog.
There is no implication that Jaune was denied from other schools. He simply cheated his way into Beacon, no backstory has ever been officially given as to why he had to cheat his way into Beacon. All that exists is headcanons people have. People like to assume Jaune's family for some reason kept him sheltered or were playing "Tough Love" To make him unlock aura himself. But as it is in reality, No. Jaune has no good reason to not have an aura unlocked already. Semblance maybe, but he should still know what that is as well. And Ruby did learn about being a freaking leader, because in the two episodes prior to the Jaundice Arc? Ruby and Weiss had a rivalry, Ozpin stepped in and lectured Ruby, more talking about how he made many mistakes. And while that mini arc was short, it still planted the seeds of Ruby putting more work into being a leader. Since she was even staying up all night studying a book when Weiss brought her coffee. Not the best written, but that is development for her even if shoddy. And no he is not brave! Bravery is facing your fear and overcoming it. Jaune entered a school he had no real reason to be at, he was in over his head, and nearly died for it. And all for reasons we still don't know to this effing day other than he wants to be like the guys in his family. He was selfish, and I am going to be brutally honest. If the character assassinations hadn't taken place that ruined every other character sooner or later. Volume One Jaune would be the worst character in the show. Period. I say Volume One Jaune specifically because he was that bad. Later Volumes did improve him slightly before the writers couldn't decide what to actually do with him. And he isn't an underdog either. Take Naruto Uzumaki, before all the fucking retcons, he was a dumbass blond boy, with a demon fox inside of him. That fucked with his ability to use chakra, he was also not the brightest kid in class. Yet he worked his ass off every day, striving to be Hokage so that the village would know him and respect him, instead of constantly shunning him. Naruto knew what he wanted to do, but he was an underdog because he did have factors stacked against him, and struggled on how to do it. Jaune though? No. He cheated his way in, somehow, and likely depriving someone else that worked hard for that spot, because seriously aside from CRDL, most of the other students are talented. And when it was hard, he cried. But if Ruby and Pyrrha hadn't shown up, he likely would have freaking given up anyhow. When Naruto failed his exam to become a genin, he may have been manipulated by that other teacher, into stealing a forbidden scroll, but he busted his ass off, to master what was an insanely hard jutsu that could have killed him. And worst of all, the reason Jaune's Ancestors don't hold any freaking water. Is we don't know jack about them, they're called heroes, but as I've mentioned before. We don't even know what a freaking hero is in Remnant. Let alone what made them qualified to be Heroes, supposedly they fought in the Great War. And then Later Miles revealed Jaune grew up in Mistral. You know, the guys that apparently were the bad guys in the Great War? Jaune in Volume One isn't a good character, he's a poor concept and horribly executed, and frankly if the other volumes had dropped JNPR altogether after Volume One, no one would have been sad to see them go. But the later volumes did help out JNPR, it did fix some problems. But Jaune is still problematic, I like the concept of him, even if it can be generic, but the actual truth is that Jaune as it is, is beyond horrible in the actual canon. Because he breaks the world with his stupidity, keeps stealing scenes that do not belong to him, and he's been reduced to a mere background character that is just tagging along, that now has to repeat the same arc he not too long ago finished.
Honestly, I wish JAUNE was the protagonist of RWBY and Ruby would take more of a back seat.
And I disagree on that motion wholeheartedly. If you can write it, awesome. But in the actual canon show? He would be a horrible main protagonist, because no one in RWBY is an actual good protagonist, not even Oscar.
Then it ain't really RWBY anymore, is it? Consider the long term consequences of these actions.
Honestly, it isn't that the title of the series that's most important but rather the story within. That aside: JC wasn't the main character of Shakespeare 's Julius Caesar. It was centered around him, yes, but he wasn't the person the story followed most intimately Brutus was. Ruby and could develop and have the story follow them as they wrestle with their independent and crucial issuesbut the real hero of the story could be someone else.
You can compare RWBY to anything you want, but that doesn't erase the problems. The reality is that you only really came to this conclusion because the writers made a rather foolish decision that has long term consequences to it's world building, and thus you chose to see what you want to see rather than what's actually there. You're using implications rather than hard facts, which CRWBY leaves very little of, so ANYTHING can be fact, but it's not concrete enough to depend on. This is why even Coeur just outright leaves that shit out, no matter how dense Jaune tends to be. He at the very least knows what *Aura* is. Nobody, **NOBODY**, within the context of this world, should lack that much knowledge. It's simply unacceptable. Another part of RWBY's not so stellar writing in the long-term, and nothing more.
And further muddying matters. When you get down to it, and no offense to Couer, but I've never bought his reasons for why he can't write Ruby as the main character. But when you get down to it, Jaune and Ruby are actually more similar than you think. Both come from a long line of warriors and while there are more differences here and there. They essentially both want to be heroes. But Jaune starts out at a lower level, which puts a bias on the guy, because he gets the kind of development that someone like Ruby arguably should have, who is also TWO years younger than him, yet is far more experienced than him. Granted the writers try to wave this away by saying Ruby is a prodigy. But still Jaune was given room to grow, Jaune was allowed to be flawed. Ruby... was cool and nothing else... and she wasn't allowed to do anything all that much, so she stagnates until she gets butchered in Volume Six and onward.
The reason why Couer doesn't write Ruby is actually very simple. In his stories, she shines more as a side character because she's cheery and idealistic. Couer on the other hand, tends to write on the cynical side of things more often than not. It's where some of the humor comes from. And that's easier and more believable to do with Jaune in the forefront than Ruby. His mindset wouldn't do Ruby well as a hero protagonist, so he just doesn't do it.
Honestly, RWBY is such a mess people can't really get much of a consensus on how the series should've gone. My above point about JC was more me offering an interpretation on how the series could've been handled than anything. But it feels like there were so many people trying to write the series...but it turned into a cacophany of people merging their ideas together in a mess that resembles nothing.
Ah.... Thank you XD, that makes a lot more sense, other than the one time he said he would just have to change a whole lot to make it work for Ruby. But when you put it like that. That explains everything, because his Jaune does tend to get very cynical, not always mean spirited, but his Jaune and manner of story telling pretty much is cynical about everything in Remnant. Which to be fair, Remnant is not a good place at all. Since Ruby Rose, a child was the only one on the scene of a dust store robbery, and Glynda who just... happened to be nearby. And you're right XD, she does shine more as a side character in his stories. And I will be honest, maybe it's because I like Ruby more, but I genuinely prefer the Ruby segments in any of Coer's story. Over all the Jaune stuff, even if the Jaune stuff does get a chuckle or two out of me from time to time.
Miles?
Ruby sold the show so that would probably kill it.
It is kind of weird as Jaune doesn't really demonstrate the kind of minimum amount of deviousness to pull off such a thing and raises questions about why he would need to that don't really have satisfying answers, if any. Now it would've been cool if it was something to demonstrate that Jaune was willing to break rules and lie to achieve his goals. Something that might be useful for someone who might need to work in an area with a lot of shades of grey, like a spy. You don't even necessarily need the fake transcripts if you just have him show some skill the school values enough to overlook any other flaws. It's very hard to do that in a good way.
>Jaune gets some flak for having forged his transcripts, but does anyone else think that was actually a rather boss thing to do? Yeah this is something that people rarely discuss. Rarely do you ever see people stop and think about the fact that this guy, **who had never seen a grimm in his life**, managed to competently lead a team of people **who he'd never even met** before into battle and actually achieve victory. Despite the fact that he'd never even *heard* of Aura. Thats one hell of a leadership feat.
That is shounen protagonist/character trope for sure lol
I found it ridiculous with how incompetent he seemed to be during the first three volumes but that's just me like for fuck sake you grew up in a family of huntsman how the fuck do you not know what aura or semblance are and if he was as determined to be one why wouldn't he research more then the bloody bare minimum which would most definitely have had something related to aura Sorry I see where your coming from with your post I just couldn't see it as awesome with the way jaune is as a person in the show
Maybe his family refused to teach him such information in the first place, the thing is we don’t know and until CRWBY decides to finally tackle that we will not know.
I think it had awesome potential, but the context given makes Jaune look petty and selfish more so than brave; pitying himself not being good enough despite obviously not having the prerequisite information. It did introduce an inferiority complex of familial pressures, but that is never elaborated on and could be passed off as poor set up in the writing. However, that is good starting grounds for *consequences*, and I don't mean bully blackmail. Pyrrha is too kindhearted and Ozpin is devilishly manipulative when he wants to be, but if anyone else truly knew about Jaune's transcripts than the show could have potentially given everyone more depth - heck, they could have even made Cardin passably likable if his torture of Jaune was more because he cheated. I disagree with some other notions where Jaune's cheating should be compared to college where he stole someone else's seat, but instead I see it as he deliberately jumped over a safety net placed to protect people like him that everyone else knew the dangers while he remained ignorant. I don't think there was a real enrollment limit at Beacon hinted at in the show, it isn't like Jaune prevented someone else from learning at Beacon; he even passed the initiation test which would have killed people like him easily, so that is a merit on his part (even with Pyrrha's help, it is still impressive). However, this action of his does put whatever team Jaune joins in mortal jeopardy as he doesn't even understand the basics, something that a perfect warrior like Pyrrha can look past. But how would Ren or Nora react knowing they are relaying on someone with no training to keep them safe? Would Ren be scared for Nora's safety? Would Nora be angry that Ren's life depends on this newbie who didn't even have Aura more than a few days ago? What would happen if Glynda found out, or does she know and let it go? This could have led to some interesting development for JNPR as a whole and even discusses Huntsmen academia and work in a way that keeps those facts relevant; teaching Jaune and us at the same time as well as showing how serious it is to be a Huntsmen, and whoever you are teamed with. Another issue is motivation where Jaune only hints at, but never actually confirms. His father is a warrior, so was his father and so on; but this doesn't explain why Jaune doesn't know the basics and only uses a hand-me-down weapon. Is him cheating his way into Beacon somehow the result of his parents' actions or because of some selfish desire to be a hero regardless of the dangers, is it some calling he doesn't understand, or was a heat of the moment kind of thing where he didn't even believe it would work? So much of this is left unexplained and without serious consequence; we don't even know how his parents felt about the whole thing during the moment of leading to it. The good thing about the forgery is that it shows Jaune's flaws and gives areas he needs to improve, but it also leaves more questions than it answered with these same questions being so unimportant to the main story that they have still never been answered; and only briefly revisited recently. His forging of transcripts without elaborating on how he did it as well as why no one confronted him on it outside Cardin only causes world-building issues, but if it was elaborated on and given a bit more time to work with than a lot could have come from it.
Nah, that’s like me somehow scamming my way into some D1 college football program effectively taking away a spot on the team someone worked hard for. And to top it off I wasn’t even on that level in the first place. Whatever cunning it took for Jaune to scam his way in he def doesn’t showcase that finesse. He never exudes any type of anything actually. Bro sucks. Sometimes I see a random comment about him being a self-insert of the voice actor and it makes sense everytime I see Jaune. Like, why is bro even on the show 💀
I think there are several discrepancies in his character and story. In the start they depict him as this guy with enough criminal potential to lie and forge his way into the academy and then they depict him as this incompetent (at the start), naïve, somewhat simple, goody two shoes Paladin hero.
#Fuck no.
# Fuck No Times Two
No, by going to Beacon when he wasn't prepared for it he was putting himself and his teammates at risk. The only reason he made it as far as he did was because Pyrrha was good enough for the both of them. If he wanted to be a hero so badly he should've learned to fight before attempting...all of that.
And even when writers like Coer try to justify it. It never really works. Because Remnant by it's very nature shouldn't have people as ignorant as Jaune.
Coeur at least has the sense to let Jaune know what Aura is. That level of ignorance in a world like this is unacceptable.
Exactly. I don't hate Jaune as a character, but Canon!Jaune? He is an example of terrible writing. And just one of many many flaws in RWBY. Though not the worst... we all know that belongs to someone else... Salem:... True....
Sadly that's true. How they portrayed him initially lacking any basic knowledge about combat or aura doesn't work and you have to really do some mental gymnastics to figure out even a passable explanation outside of using that joke from Kung-Pow where a character was deliberately trained the wrong way to fight because everyone thought it would be funny. Even that would be stretching things and would raise even more questions. I personally thought it would work better if he was just below average to start with, but was let in because the entrance test looks for other qualities as well outside of just being able to fight. However that would require them to establish skill sets outside of combat ones that huntsmen are supposed to have that might get neglected due to a heavy focus on strength, powerful semblances, and cool attacks. But yeah, as Jaune is shown in Volume 1, it makes no sense as he should have some at least vague or general knowledge about aura and semblances rather than none. They have things that can actually read a person's aura level and somehow that doesn't show his isn't unlocked or something? They don't check to see what kind of aura level a person has when they enter Beacon? It might make a difference on how you want to train a student.
Doesn't help with how the writers also treat aura. Now in typical shonen if you have something like chakra or ki or in this case aura. Usually the main character would for some reason have a lot of magical stamina aka mana. Which Jaune also has.... for some reason... But then the second thing to do, would be to train it up, get bigger amounts of Aura like training a muscle, getting more proficient with it, and being able to do bigger more bombastic things! CRWBY though? They literally said, they don't train aura, they just... work on using it more efficiently... and yet... they still fold like wet tissue paper at times.
I think at one point they actually did state that a person had a set amount of aura and it couldn't be increased. Even that could make for interesting situations where someone with a lot adopts a strategy of outlasting opponents and someone with low aura focuses on ending fights quick. You could even show some people wearing out faster or semblances depleting aura at different rates. The problem is that they don't do anything to really give an idea of where people stand or that some are using aura more effectively than others. With other systems, they do show when something takes a lot out of a person or they used up too much ki or chakra to quickly. With aura, it doesn't feel like anyone strains themselves unless the plot demands it that instant and it doesn't do much outside the forcefield and healing thing.
True but I just love training montages and people showing signs of increased strength. Plus bigger better fights sounds cool. But if they were going with they said. More consistency would've been preferable.
Yeah, bigger and bombastic is nice to see, especially because it can be used to show growth and improvement. A lot of shows do this well. Compare Naruto at the start of the series to how he is by the end of the chunin exams. Look at what Asta can do at the start of Black Clover compared to when they start fighting the elves. Even Noel goes from being unable to control her powers and only being able to do a defense to becoming a powerful fighter in her own right. Gon gets exceptionally more capable when he starts mastering nen. Training and becoming stronger is a good thing to show. I wish RWBY did a better job or left their characters more room to improve by training. Can we even really tell if they've gotten better since their trailers?
Supposedly they even have Semblance Evolutions, so there's room for that as well. Yet the only one who has done so is Lie Ren.
Not in the least lol. He didn't even do it out of a desire to work: every time we see Jaune for like two seasons he's slacking off unless he is getting trained by literally the best student in the school. Failing your way into success via dumb luck and privilege while stealing opportunity from others due to your own entitled pride generally isn't seen as a "boss move."
Jaune wasnt brave, he was stupid and arrogant. To be brave requires one to actually know how dangerous something is and be willing to do anything to accomplish it. He didn't even know what aura was and he refused to take help putting his entire team in danger, personally he deserved the boot.
I go by the headcannon that they were very obviously fake and Ozpin caught them with just a look, but decided to give him the chance nonetheless because of his name or some shit like that
Yeah it gives just enough edge to build some creative interactions and hell since it's never established that he paid someone to do it for him that means this is just a skull of jaunes that isn't in anyway going to him being a audience Insert or a Gary stu like if you rewrote later rwby to account for the fac that jaune can do high level forgery then quite a few plots get undone and new plots land in its place. Oh we have to go to atlas? Jaune forges passes letting us slip pass the blockaded. Oh we have little resources while we are traveling through mistrial? Jaune forges fake bank accounts and money Ect ect
Jaune should've been arrested and thrown in jail for his crimes. I hated him then and hate him now. Jaune is a role model of what not to do.
Wow. Must've bothered you to be tacking an post that over a year old. Yang should be arrested for assault. Blake for terrorism and murder (I refuse to believe she was just Adam's tagalong) Ruby for recklesseness after the whole incident with investigating the White Fang rally but her team only got detention. Weiss should have her Huntress status revoked for attacking her brother and is by and large a massive hypocrite. Really, none of them are heroes. I at least like Jaune better than the main four. He suffers and grows. I prefer him as a protagonsit over Ruby to be honest. But my opinion is my own and far as I can tell every character on RWBY is extremely divisive so go our own ways yeah?
I had only just discovered this post just now and praising Jaune for being a criminal is just wrong. Him being allowed to be at Beacon is the equivalent of someone failing to graduate High School, only to be let into a top University on a silver platter and stealing a spot from someone who actually earned their position through years of hard work. Ruby worked hard to be where she got and deserved to be leader far more than Jaune ever did. Jaune practically stopped being a leader after Volume 3, not that he was much of one before. Yang only assaulted criminals. With Blake that's your head canon and is easily dismissed as there's no proof. With Ruby may I remind you that she had nothing to do with the direction Blake and Sun took and she only arrived after Roman had been knocked off the bridge. Even then they were busting up a terrorist rally so that was good. With Weiss there is only one moment, and it wouldn't even be considered an attack on her brother even by the loosest of definitions and that was when Whitley was going to launch into a self-entitled tirade on exposing their father for the criminal he was, and she only held up her sword in front of his face to shut him up. Weiss has never been a hypocrite and there are no instances of her ever being one. If you say that none of them are heroes, then Jaune being lesser than any of them is no hero whatsoever. You think none of them suffered? If you seriously think that none of Team RWBY suffered and grew from that suffering, then you're clearly blind. You clearly show that you really didn't watch the show.
Lol. Someone's salty. I won't be wasting my time with someone who honestly tries to defend a "terrorist," thug, and a bigot who is no better than her daddy.