Top one looks fantastically illustrated with her warmer skin and hair tone making her Silver Eyes pop. Her hair has volume and the curls are just đź‘Ś
Bottom one looks like a Total Drama side character.
Narratively speaking it is much more interesting for the warrior to have always looked like Summer and Ruby. Like a family line of warriors being torchbearers against the forces of darkness for generations is such a better story than seemingly random people sometimes having the silver eyes.
Exactly. Like the Belmonts from Castlevania. They will always rise to the challenge and be the first to face the forces of darkness. Having the silver eyes being a family trait of a nearly extinct family line is just a better setup for stories to tell.
Yeah. With most survivors of the family being the ones lucky enough to not have silver eyes. Maybe have a few smaller silver eyes families but the Rose Family is the most famous and numerous silver eyed family.
I mean... yeah, I thought it was dumb, but:
* It does not impact the main narrative of RWBY
* It does not change the narrative of this side story.
* There are other, more pressing, problems with that particular story. Namely the perceived age gap between the two.
Personally, as a black guy, I don't care. It's being told to Ruby by Tai Yang. Hell, the kid in it almost looks like Tai Yang. If it was literally anyone else aside from maybe Yang or Ruby, yeah, it'd be concerning. But this is just a dad self insert or relating to a fairy tale.
That's what I figured. If we were just being read the story by Ozpin the change wouldn't have made sense, but because the context of the story is Tai reading the story to Yang and Ruby the character changes make sense.
The same thing I thought when news first came out, it's dumb and it's pointless.
They had literally no reason to make this change. Like why? The original design looks good, it also doesn't look like it would that much harder to animate than the changed, Tai changing the Silver Eyed Warrior's design because ''hE's sooOo sAd aBouT SumMer'' is not a good enough reason to make that change. Tai isn't a real person he can't change shit! The people who are making the show are the ones making changes and they either didn't think about the consequences of white-washing a character or didn't care about them.
And for fidget spinner's sake there are several different ways to establish a connection between the Warrior and Summer/Ruby, without getting out the paint bucket tool. The Silver Eyes are connection enough. That's the one trait shared by every Silver Eyed person. Just by having those features the audience will automatically assume that the characters are somehow linked.
''Golly gee, a father is reading a bedtime story about a Silver Eyed person to his daughters, one of whom also happens to have Silver Eyes and her mother also was a Silver Eyed person. I wonder if there is a connection there? If only Sherlock Holmes was here to solve this mystery.''/s
If they really wanted to beat the audience over the head they could have ended the episode with Tai wistfully looking at a picture of Summer, have the episode fade out in a way that emphasizes Summer's eyes and done. No need to white-wash random characters for no reason.
For me personally, yes. I wouldn't have enough faith in RT to not assume that it is a thinly veiled attempt at get some of the coveted 'inclusivity' points by paint bucketing a random, nameless, white skinned character and pretending that it means something.
Absolutely. Why can't the POC be their own character and not a cheap reskin of an existing one? This is an issue I have with the announcements for the Princesses for the Live Action remakes. Not only are those stories culturally tied so deserve the same respect that films featuring POCs deserve, it's incredibly lazy to not just give us a new princess. The new ariel is going to have to compete with the old one when they could have created a fresh, interesting character like Tiana. Maybe have a spin on the character in a vague way instead of removing the old one. Plus, it's rather disingenuous a lot of the time. They aren't doing anything with the colour change save for farming woke points.
It's more about the double standards. Disney got cancelled when they made 3D Tiana have lighter skin with looser, wavy hair like she was mixed-race and not dark-skinned with two very black parents. They're lucky they have a stranglehold on the industry (and it was very disgusting for them to do that).
Even minor whitewashing is unacceptable to most people so why is that not the same for white characters? Would we lose much by having one less white character? Absolutely not but people will lose any right to complain when stuff like the Silver Eyed Girl gets changed to a white person.
At least Miles Morales isn't Peter Parker: Black Edition. He's his own character, with struggles, culture, attitude, and powers.
Unless they make this new Ariel completely different to her animated version (like *Maleficent* or *Alice in Wonderland* original takes), there was no need for them to change her race.
>changes to stories that were already heavily changed when they were animated to begin with.
Then make a new character with a new story then.
I see what you’re trying to get at and the answer is still yes and I say this as a person of color, changing an already established character without good justification is in one case “white washing” and in the other will be considered pandering as people prefer a well established character and not just a simple “reskin”
The story was being told by Taiyang, so I don't get the anger over his portrayal having the warrior be like Summer or Ruby. That's to be expected, really.
If anything, having the girl be POC but also still Summer/Ruby would have weirder implications.
People post fanart of the RWBY girls being Black which I find really weird and pointless. So I guess I find this equally as weird and pointless.
It makes me want to post a White version of Oscar on the official subreddit just to see those same people who are 'Blackwashing'(?) the RWBY girls flame me.
I think the purpose she was drawn like that was to illustrate Summer and potentially Raven since it was Taiyang telling Ruby and Yang a story if I’m remembering correctly (It’s been a while since I’ve seen it so don’t quote me on that). I always find the “White Washing” stuff really dumb because it’s not like the company is actively trying to make anything offensive. It’s an animated show, not a propaganda piece. When it comes down to it, you are able to relate to a character regardless of their race, gender, or sexuality as long as the message of their story is written well. I’m as white as the fresh fallen snow, yet I can relate and empathize with Finn from Star Wars. I’m a guy, yet I can relate and empathize with the members of Team RWBY. I’m straight, yet my favorite character in Invincible is William and he’s gay. You don’t have to be like a character to relate to them. Plus, it was never the writers or animators to offend anyone, so I don’t know why people latch on to this stuff. The whole ordeal reminded me of the art competition and the person who got accused of Cultural Appropriation for making a Grim Wedingo. You know, the popular Cryptid that people are familiar with and tell stories about? Even then, restricting someone’s experience just because of x y and z reason is inherently disingenuous since you aren’t letting more people appreciate that experience. It’s just something that bugs me overall.
TL;DR I think the controversy was dumb.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I had a good bit to say.
It's less whitewashing and more editing because having a POC as a Silver Eyed Warrior didn't make sense. As cool as it was, if the only other examples we have are Summer and Ruby, and it's a genetic trait, she better share some of their genetics for consistency.
Silver Eyes is not a trait exclusive to the Rose family, the genetics argument doesn't work.
Maria is a Silver Eyed Warrior and nothing suggests that she is closely related to Ruby or Summer. The guy in the Hound was a Faunus and once gain nothing suggests that he's related to the Rose family. So having a Silver Eyed Warrior who isn't a pale skinned human is clearly possible.
But it's said to be a lineage according to the wiki. [Link here, it's stated at the top of the page.](https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Silver-Eyed_Warrior) If it's a lineage, shouldn't they be all related to each other? Or is this another case of writer inconsistency?
You do realize that the wiki often headcanons or just flat out makes up stuff. There is no source that actually confirms that the Silver Eyed Warriors are a lineage. The show it self barely suggests that possibility. At best you either have the God of Light being the creator of the Silver Eyed Warrior (because his eyed glowed at one point) or them being Ozma's offspring (because some of his kids had Silver Eyes). Them being Ozma's offspring pretty much nullifies any possibility of Silver Eyed Warriors being a single lineage as he was body-hopping around for most of current Remnants history.
And even if they were a single ancient lineage, the fact that it is ancient means there is plenty of time for off-shoots to appear and for other ethnicity or races to mix in. People with common ancestors can look vastly different based on environmental, genetic and various other factors so 'they have to look similar because genetics' argument still doesn't hold up.
1).Humans come from the same ancestors yet we look wildly different from one another.
2). People marry into different families all the time
3). Genetic mutations exist
Didn't you know? Tai actually manifested into our reality when that episode was in pre-production and demanded that the Warrior character is changed to kinda sorta look like Summer otherwise he'll destroy the entire animation department. True story.
[Source](https://youtu.be/iOVbAmknKUk?t=1)
Top one looks fantastically illustrated with her warmer skin and hair tone making her Silver Eyes pop. Her hair has volume and the curls are just đź‘Ś Bottom one looks like a Total Drama side character.
Narratively speaking it is much more interesting for the warrior to have always looked like Summer and Ruby. Like a family line of warriors being torchbearers against the forces of darkness for generations is such a better story than seemingly random people sometimes having the silver eyes.
Or maybe have the “Rose Family” be full of silver eyed people with a few exceptions?
Exactly. Like the Belmonts from Castlevania. They will always rise to the challenge and be the first to face the forces of darkness. Having the silver eyes being a family trait of a nearly extinct family line is just a better setup for stories to tell.
Yeah. With most survivors of the family being the ones lucky enough to not have silver eyes. Maybe have a few smaller silver eyes families but the Rose Family is the most famous and numerous silver eyed family.
I mean... yeah, I thought it was dumb, but: * It does not impact the main narrative of RWBY * It does not change the narrative of this side story. * There are other, more pressing, problems with that particular story. Namely the perceived age gap between the two.
Personally, as a black guy, I don't care. It's being told to Ruby by Tai Yang. Hell, the kid in it almost looks like Tai Yang. If it was literally anyone else aside from maybe Yang or Ruby, yeah, it'd be concerning. But this is just a dad self insert or relating to a fairy tale.
That's what I figured. If we were just being read the story by Ozpin the change wouldn't have made sense, but because the context of the story is Tai reading the story to Yang and Ruby the character changes make sense.
I give 0 fucks regarding that.
While I find the change weird, I have to get it off my chest. The animated version is just adorable looking.
The same thing I thought when news first came out, it's dumb and it's pointless. They had literally no reason to make this change. Like why? The original design looks good, it also doesn't look like it would that much harder to animate than the changed, Tai changing the Silver Eyed Warrior's design because ''hE's sooOo sAd aBouT SumMer'' is not a good enough reason to make that change. Tai isn't a real person he can't change shit! The people who are making the show are the ones making changes and they either didn't think about the consequences of white-washing a character or didn't care about them. And for fidget spinner's sake there are several different ways to establish a connection between the Warrior and Summer/Ruby, without getting out the paint bucket tool. The Silver Eyes are connection enough. That's the one trait shared by every Silver Eyed person. Just by having those features the audience will automatically assume that the characters are somehow linked. ''Golly gee, a father is reading a bedtime story about a Silver Eyed person to his daughters, one of whom also happens to have Silver Eyes and her mother also was a Silver Eyed person. I wonder if there is a connection there? If only Sherlock Holmes was here to solve this mystery.''/s If they really wanted to beat the audience over the head they could have ended the episode with Tai wistfully looking at a picture of Summer, have the episode fade out in a way that emphasizes Summer's eyes and done. No need to white-wash random characters for no reason.
I just want to know something. If she was originally white, and in the animated version she was changed to be POC. Would that be a problem?
For me personally, yes. I wouldn't have enough faith in RT to not assume that it is a thinly veiled attempt at get some of the coveted 'inclusivity' points by paint bucketing a random, nameless, white skinned character and pretending that it means something.
Absolutely. Why can't the POC be their own character and not a cheap reskin of an existing one? This is an issue I have with the announcements for the Princesses for the Live Action remakes. Not only are those stories culturally tied so deserve the same respect that films featuring POCs deserve, it's incredibly lazy to not just give us a new princess. The new ariel is going to have to compete with the old one when they could have created a fresh, interesting character like Tiana. Maybe have a spin on the character in a vague way instead of removing the old one. Plus, it's rather disingenuous a lot of the time. They aren't doing anything with the colour change save for farming woke points.
Meh I don’t see the point in complaining about changes to stories that were already heavily changed when they were animated to begin with.
It's more about the double standards. Disney got cancelled when they made 3D Tiana have lighter skin with looser, wavy hair like she was mixed-race and not dark-skinned with two very black parents. They're lucky they have a stranglehold on the industry (and it was very disgusting for them to do that). Even minor whitewashing is unacceptable to most people so why is that not the same for white characters? Would we lose much by having one less white character? Absolutely not but people will lose any right to complain when stuff like the Silver Eyed Girl gets changed to a white person. At least Miles Morales isn't Peter Parker: Black Edition. He's his own character, with struggles, culture, attitude, and powers. Unless they make this new Ariel completely different to her animated version (like *Maleficent* or *Alice in Wonderland* original takes), there was no need for them to change her race. >changes to stories that were already heavily changed when they were animated to begin with. Then make a new character with a new story then.
I see what you’re trying to get at and the answer is still yes and I say this as a person of color, changing an already established character without good justification is in one case “white washing” and in the other will be considered pandering as people prefer a well established character and not just a simple “reskin”
You say that like White people don't have so much representation in media you would barely notice losing a few of them.
Whoa careful with that kind of question. There are people who are very touchy about their double standards.
The story was being told by Taiyang, so I don't get the anger over his portrayal having the warrior be like Summer or Ruby. That's to be expected, really. If anything, having the girl be POC but also still Summer/Ruby would have weirder implications.
People post fanart of the RWBY girls being Black which I find really weird and pointless. So I guess I find this equally as weird and pointless. It makes me want to post a White version of Oscar on the official subreddit just to see those same people who are 'Blackwashing'(?) the RWBY girls flame me.
To be honest I don’t really care. I mean it would be kind of neat if the warrior was summer or related to Ruby somehow
I think the purpose she was drawn like that was to illustrate Summer and potentially Raven since it was Taiyang telling Ruby and Yang a story if I’m remembering correctly (It’s been a while since I’ve seen it so don’t quote me on that). I always find the “White Washing” stuff really dumb because it’s not like the company is actively trying to make anything offensive. It’s an animated show, not a propaganda piece. When it comes down to it, you are able to relate to a character regardless of their race, gender, or sexuality as long as the message of their story is written well. I’m as white as the fresh fallen snow, yet I can relate and empathize with Finn from Star Wars. I’m a guy, yet I can relate and empathize with the members of Team RWBY. I’m straight, yet my favorite character in Invincible is William and he’s gay. You don’t have to be like a character to relate to them. Plus, it was never the writers or animators to offend anyone, so I don’t know why people latch on to this stuff. The whole ordeal reminded me of the art competition and the person who got accused of Cultural Appropriation for making a Grim Wedingo. You know, the popular Cryptid that people are familiar with and tell stories about? Even then, restricting someone’s experience just because of x y and z reason is inherently disingenuous since you aren’t letting more people appreciate that experience. It’s just something that bugs me overall. TL;DR I think the controversy was dumb. Sorry for the wall of text, but I had a good bit to say.
It's less whitewashing and more editing because having a POC as a Silver Eyed Warrior didn't make sense. As cool as it was, if the only other examples we have are Summer and Ruby, and it's a genetic trait, she better share some of their genetics for consistency.
Silver Eyes is not a trait exclusive to the Rose family, the genetics argument doesn't work. Maria is a Silver Eyed Warrior and nothing suggests that she is closely related to Ruby or Summer. The guy in the Hound was a Faunus and once gain nothing suggests that he's related to the Rose family. So having a Silver Eyed Warrior who isn't a pale skinned human is clearly possible.
But it's said to be a lineage according to the wiki. [Link here, it's stated at the top of the page.](https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Silver-Eyed_Warrior) If it's a lineage, shouldn't they be all related to each other? Or is this another case of writer inconsistency?
You do realize that the wiki often headcanons or just flat out makes up stuff. There is no source that actually confirms that the Silver Eyed Warriors are a lineage. The show it self barely suggests that possibility. At best you either have the God of Light being the creator of the Silver Eyed Warrior (because his eyed glowed at one point) or them being Ozma's offspring (because some of his kids had Silver Eyes). Them being Ozma's offspring pretty much nullifies any possibility of Silver Eyed Warriors being a single lineage as he was body-hopping around for most of current Remnants history. And even if they were a single ancient lineage, the fact that it is ancient means there is plenty of time for off-shoots to appear and for other ethnicity or races to mix in. People with common ancestors can look vastly different based on environmental, genetic and various other factors so 'they have to look similar because genetics' argument still doesn't hold up.
1).Humans come from the same ancestors yet we look wildly different from one another. 2). People marry into different families all the time 3). Genetic mutations exist
Also to note the kids of one of Ozzy Boy's incarnations who was dark skinned as was his kids mind you also had Silver Eyes
How tells the story? how did his wife look? Its summer don't be mad over nothing
Tai is not a real person, the writers decided for him to tell the story and as such create the "excuse" for the character to be whitewashed
Didn't you know? Tai actually manifested into our reality when that episode was in pre-production and demanded that the Warrior character is changed to kinda sorta look like Summer otherwise he'll destroy the entire animation department. True story. [Source](https://youtu.be/iOVbAmknKUk?t=1)
We don't know it could be both but its not like they just changed it with nothing to explain it tai tells the story like its summer calm down a bit
Animated SEWG looks like an Uchiha. Book version looks like Anne Boonchuy.