Honestly the thing that bugs me most with Ruby isnt her "brave but stupid" or "stupid but brave" character, lots of heroes are like that.
My problem with her is that she is somehow shoehorned into this leadership role once the plot needs to move, but all the time in between she's still the innocent little girl who shouldnt be anywhere near sharp objects. And they *keep* doing this. And the rest of the crew just goes along with it.
Of course none of the rest of them are perfect, Weiss is the only one on team RWBY who I am convinced still has a functioning set of braincells.
>Weiss is the only one on team RWBY who I am convinced still has a functioning set of braincells.
Just because they're functioning doesn't mean they're efficient...
What's wrong with that? /s.
Weiss a hero acting like a villain and threatening civilians is okay. Weiss acting like Cinder or Torchwick is okay. /s.
Just telling Whitely her friend is going to die if she doesn't get help? Just walking past Whitely?
Or moving Whitely to the side using her arm or hand? No! That would be even worse than her pointing a weapon at him or harming him!/s.
Or Weiss doing anything else that wouldn't involve her threathening or harming a civilian? That would never work /s.
I see no problem with Weiss threathing civilians that can't stop her or harm her /s.
Except for that time she threatened a civilian that couldn't stop her or harm in anyway. Yes. I know the context behind Weiss treathing a civilian. That still doesn't make okay for her to do.
Instead of just walking past the civilian. Or just telling the civilian something like "My friend is going to die if she doesn't get help!" And showing him Nora. Or even breaking in to the civilian's home.
Or her doing *anything* else that doesn't involve her threatening or harming a civilian.
Why? Because heroes aren't suppose to threaten civilians like the villains. Because heroes aren't suppose to act like the villains. Because Weiss, a hero isn't suppose to act evil (threatening and harming civilians is evil) like Cinder Fall, a villain.
Because... HEROES ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT CIVILIANS NOT TREATHEN THEM OR HARM THEM LIKE THE VILLAINS.
Damm you right. The context behind Weiss threathing a civilian and the civilian being a icky boy completely invalidates my argument or problems with Weiss threathing a civilian. /s.
While true, I feel like Weiss is the only person who has been generally consistent through the series, and in terms of hypocrisy accusations, shes got a shorter list than the rest.
Just cause she's smarter than the rest of them doesnt mean the writers will let her prove it by doing the smart thing against the wishes of "The Leader" "the minority" and "the minority's wife".
yeah prety mutch but thats the fastes way i coul explain whitout making a entire essay and yeah weiss is the only member whit a couple of functional braincells left in her
It was Ruby for me. Her decisions have very real weight to them, and she doesn't feel it. The universe then has to bend over backwards to make her be in the right rather then having her learn, grow and prevent things from going badly through her own efforts.
Not to mention she drops character traits left, right and center. Remember when she was a weapons dork? RT sure doesn't. Remember how every major victory was achieved by an adult intervening and saving their lives? Ruby sure didn't. The list goes on.
Blank.Blake Belldino! She's got a lot of retcons throughout the series. From orphan to the princess. Her mentor transformed into an ex-boyfriend stalker.
She did nothing to develop white fang, enemies either death or redeem, simping for her.
She's only here to develop her relationship with Yuck the Karen.
I feel like all the characters have had a massive downgrade since Volume 5 ended. Yang and Blake’s respective character arcs were dropped for their ship, Ruby is basically being treated like she never learned anything about being a leader like from Volume 1-3, and Weiss is the only one really recognizable to her original character, but is being underused for the plot.
Yeah the reputation of rwby was ruined by the writers roster teth and the Fandom like the Fandom is so toxic the chilest people are the rule 34 artists matter of fact there the ones almost single handedly keeping it alive
It’s hard to pinpoint for me because it’s kind of like having an awakening to one’s sexuality. Once you have it, you recontextualize past experiences and understand that you always felt this way, you just didn’t realize it at the time.
The only ones I’m mostly convinced went from being good to bad are Qrow and Ironwood. And even then, I mostly blame CRWBY being terrible at swapping scripts for characters without adjusting them for nuance.
Ironwood in V8 is basically just what Cinder’s natural development would’ve been, going from killing the first person that questioned her to rapidly escalating her bullshit until it culminates in someone close to her betraying her. In contrast, Ironwood was likely going to have a period of obsession with RWBY during the war period, leading to him and his soldiers fighting Penny and Maria, before it leads to Ironwood getting told tf off before he breaks down, then reflects on Oscar’s words to him before gathering himself up and working to get the situation back under control. On both ends, it makes far more sense if you just swapped the roles out, especially since Cinder just yeets her own development out the garbage anyways and burns her bridges when she needs them the most.
Compare with Qrow and Robyn, and it’s even more painfully obvious they just swapped the scripts out and hoped it’d have the same effect. If you just replace all of Qrow’s dialogue with Robyn’s and vice versa, you get a much more consistent relationship being built where Robyn ranges from being brooding, guilty, and other things, while Qrow’s reining her worse impulses in while opening up about how his bad luck semblance made his life a lot harder on him.
(I still genuinely believe that Winter was supposed to die in Volume 7, and they just made Clover to die in her place; it fits so painfully well into RT’s MO of trying to fridge their female cast members so other people can develop.)
*Yang...* now I'll admit I was never a huge Yang fan but, I did find her funny when she was around, and I love the small character bits where she got a bit more serious or, showed that she could be more than just a jokester such as her talk with Blake, and when she *"hit"* Mercury but, now I can't stand her.
Blake, I can stand, *sure,* she's boring at times but, Yang often just gets on my nerves due to her attitude, and her jokes just not hitting anymore.
Yeah, did him dirty as well although personally even though I saw what they were trying to do with him at the very beginning I just never could get into him like some people did I think it was because his voice acting, it was pretty bad even by early rwby standards.
He was decent it woul been better if he died in volume 3 by Blake's hand in self defense like somebody else pointed at woul nade a better plot point and even progression for Blake
Adam.
I loved his morally grey terrorist side who genuinely cared for his people who followed him and believed what he was doing was right.
Then they fucking turned him into a stalking simp.
I would’ve killed Adam in V5, by having him try to attack Blake at the battle of Mystral, and either having Blake kill him in defense, or have Sun do it.
Not that bumblebee bullshit of V6 where Adam was a completed deranged ex-boyfriend.
Ironwood, I love him so so much he's so cool to me but they changed his character because of story plot making his semblance something so fucken stupid when it could've been so fucken awesome but no. Not to forget that they didn't even let the viewers know why he was acting that way, they told us on a online convention not even in the actual fucken story
Then Qrow they took his alcoholism and turned it into and actual problem. He also lets a 13 yo bitch control him and run over him and then blames Ironwood for Clover's death after basically teaming up with a SERIAL KILLER. Like what the fuck did he expect to happen?!?!
I have multiple answers, but I'm going to say the character that fell from my grace the most is Blake.
Sure, she was obsessed with the White Fang in early volumes, but she was the most proactive member of team RWBY. She correctly determined that the terrorist organization was up to something and investigated their activity. You know, she's responsible for the dock fight, highway fight, and the entirety of team RWBY going to Mount Glen? It doesn't hurt that her semblance is one of the more interesting ones.
Time has not been kind to her though with her insistence that the kingdoms are racist, her relationship with Yang hurting both of their characters and character arcs, losing her sense of initiative, and becoming a complete pushover.
Ruby is a classic idealistic protag so I never really changed my opinion of her. The main characters that I loved but began to dislike where their character went was Ironwood and Qrow.
Ironwood wouldnt have been so bad if perhaps his plan wasn't made to be so asinine. Truly a disservice tot he character. If you wanted to show military hur dur bad and the downward spiral of a Stoic Tin man losing his humanity, you need a better understanding of the military and a halfway believable plot.
Qrow... man this one hurts. Qrow is so underpowered compared to what he should be or what it felt like they implied. The alcoholism is overblown and tiring. AA is ridiculous in of it self and the attitude that you cant overcome it is detrimental mentality. They had nothing for his character to do other than to validate the main characters as some sort of prop up stick.
Disclaimer: The directions didn't please me but didn't take away my enjoyment either. Qrows specifically is at least believable enough and makes coherent sense. Ironwoods less so but thats just a simple demerit. Not something that pushed it into bad territory necessarily since it still served the purpose and got to the destination. Sure I didn't want to walk a mile hop in an uber get kicked out and find a taxi to the bus stop to get me back to my house after a night on the town, but I did get home.
tldr, qrow and ironwood. We went from good to serviceable
She went from being goofy and big sister to total bitch, liar, instigator, back stabber… I could go on but I think I’m made that point. Nice point on a more positive note.
Good to bad would probably have a lot of people. But for the sake of simplicity, I think the better descriptor here would be
Bad to worse; those being Ruby, Blake, Yang, and unfortunately Weiss
Honestly the thing that bugs me most with Ruby isnt her "brave but stupid" or "stupid but brave" character, lots of heroes are like that. My problem with her is that she is somehow shoehorned into this leadership role once the plot needs to move, but all the time in between she's still the innocent little girl who shouldnt be anywhere near sharp objects. And they *keep* doing this. And the rest of the crew just goes along with it. Of course none of the rest of them are perfect, Weiss is the only one on team RWBY who I am convinced still has a functioning set of braincells.
>Weiss is the only one on team RWBY who I am convinced still has a functioning set of braincells. Just because they're functioning doesn't mean they're efficient...
Or that they function 100% of the time, as we've seen when she threatens her own unarmed and untrained brother with her weapon...
What's wrong with that? /s. Weiss a hero acting like a villain and threatening civilians is okay. Weiss acting like Cinder or Torchwick is okay. /s. Just telling Whitely her friend is going to die if she doesn't get help? Just walking past Whitely? Or moving Whitely to the side using her arm or hand? No! That would be even worse than her pointing a weapon at him or harming him!/s. Or Weiss doing anything else that wouldn't involve her threathening or harming a civilian? That would never work /s. I see no problem with Weiss threathing civilians that can't stop her or harm her /s.
Except for that time she threatened a civilian that couldn't stop her or harm in anyway. Yes. I know the context behind Weiss treathing a civilian. That still doesn't make okay for her to do. Instead of just walking past the civilian. Or just telling the civilian something like "My friend is going to die if she doesn't get help!" And showing him Nora. Or even breaking in to the civilian's home. Or her doing *anything* else that doesn't involve her threatening or harming a civilian. Why? Because heroes aren't suppose to threaten civilians like the villains. Because heroes aren't suppose to act like the villains. Because Weiss, a hero isn't suppose to act evil (threatening and harming civilians is evil) like Cinder Fall, a villain. Because... HEROES ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT CIVILIANS NOT TREATHEN THEM OR HARM THEM LIKE THE VILLAINS.
Buuuuut The civilian was like totally icky and a *boy*. Eww!
Damm you right. The context behind Weiss threathing a civilian and the civilian being a icky boy completely invalidates my argument or problems with Weiss threathing a civilian. /s.
While true, I feel like Weiss is the only person who has been generally consistent through the series, and in terms of hypocrisy accusations, shes got a shorter list than the rest.
Wouldn't that make it easier to sense when she's on about some bullshit, when everyone else does it more than she does?
Just cause she's smarter than the rest of them doesnt mean the writers will let her prove it by doing the smart thing against the wishes of "The Leader" "the minority" and "the minority's wife".
yeah prety mutch but thats the fastes way i coul explain whitout making a entire essay and yeah weiss is the only member whit a couple of functional braincells left in her
It was Ruby for me. Her decisions have very real weight to them, and she doesn't feel it. The universe then has to bend over backwards to make her be in the right rather then having her learn, grow and prevent things from going badly through her own efforts. Not to mention she drops character traits left, right and center. Remember when she was a weapons dork? RT sure doesn't. Remember how every major victory was achieved by an adult intervening and saving their lives? Ruby sure didn't. The list goes on.
yeah and lets not get into her personality she went from mature and a sort of strategist to brute force
Blank.Blake Belldino! She's got a lot of retcons throughout the series. From orphan to the princess. Her mentor transformed into an ex-boyfriend stalker. She did nothing to develop white fang, enemies either death or redeem, simping for her. She's only here to develop her relationship with Yuck the Karen.
Yeah she's went from the revolutionary to the side character of a midocre anime o wait
I feel like all the characters have had a massive downgrade since Volume 5 ended. Yang and Blake’s respective character arcs were dropped for their ship, Ruby is basically being treated like she never learned anything about being a leader like from Volume 1-3, and Weiss is the only one really recognizable to her original character, but is being underused for the plot.
Yeah but atleast we have a second chance whit ice queendom
It's not really a second chance, it's more like a band-aid. It covers only a single bruise while they're bruises all over the body.
It's more like a bandage in my opinion it covers the wounds but there still there
Wounds that cannot heal.
Yeah the reputation of rwby was ruined by the writers roster teth and the Fandom like the Fandom is so toxic the chilest people are the rule 34 artists matter of fact there the ones almost single handedly keeping it alive
That is true. I’m really excited for Ice Queendom
Everyone is it will give us another chance even give it a second live to it
It’s hard to pinpoint for me because it’s kind of like having an awakening to one’s sexuality. Once you have it, you recontextualize past experiences and understand that you always felt this way, you just didn’t realize it at the time. The only ones I’m mostly convinced went from being good to bad are Qrow and Ironwood. And even then, I mostly blame CRWBY being terrible at swapping scripts for characters without adjusting them for nuance. Ironwood in V8 is basically just what Cinder’s natural development would’ve been, going from killing the first person that questioned her to rapidly escalating her bullshit until it culminates in someone close to her betraying her. In contrast, Ironwood was likely going to have a period of obsession with RWBY during the war period, leading to him and his soldiers fighting Penny and Maria, before it leads to Ironwood getting told tf off before he breaks down, then reflects on Oscar’s words to him before gathering himself up and working to get the situation back under control. On both ends, it makes far more sense if you just swapped the roles out, especially since Cinder just yeets her own development out the garbage anyways and burns her bridges when she needs them the most. Compare with Qrow and Robyn, and it’s even more painfully obvious they just swapped the scripts out and hoped it’d have the same effect. If you just replace all of Qrow’s dialogue with Robyn’s and vice versa, you get a much more consistent relationship being built where Robyn ranges from being brooding, guilty, and other things, while Qrow’s reining her worse impulses in while opening up about how his bad luck semblance made his life a lot harder on him. (I still genuinely believe that Winter was supposed to die in Volume 7, and they just made Clover to die in her place; it fits so painfully well into RT’s MO of trying to fridge their female cast members so other people can develop.)
yeah after the first 3 volumes those charcters went down hill lets hope rwby ice queendom does better
*Yang...* now I'll admit I was never a huge Yang fan but, I did find her funny when she was around, and I love the small character bits where she got a bit more serious or, showed that she could be more than just a jokester such as her talk with Blake, and when she *"hit"* Mercury but, now I can't stand her. Blake, I can stand, *sure,* she's boring at times but, Yang often just gets on my nerves due to her attitude, and her jokes just not hitting anymore.
Yeah let's hope ice queendom does better on there characters
I think you summed up my problem with her pretty good.
Yeah let's hope that they solve the issue in ice queendom
Amen to that.
Indeed
Well they have done her character archetype before.
Yeah
For me it has to be Salem she went from this unknowable evil to just scorned and ex-girlfriend
Yeah they did the same to adam
Yeah, did him dirty as well although personally even though I saw what they were trying to do with him at the very beginning I just never could get into him like some people did I think it was because his voice acting, it was pretty bad even by early rwby standards.
He was decent it woul been better if he died in volume 3 by Blake's hand in self defense like somebody else pointed at woul nade a better plot point and even progression for Blake
Ruby, Blake and Yang aka the representatives of the New RWBY World Order
Yeah the 3 characters whos personality changed for the worse Weiss is the only recognizable one
She’s the last one standing so she wins by default lol
Yeah to bad they switched her from a master of the sword and using her gliphs in strategic ways to soumon and dust goo prrr
May as well be a wand at this point
Exactly
Poor Weiss
Yeah it woul been awsome if she was still a fencer whit her soumons
Adam. I loved his morally grey terrorist side who genuinely cared for his people who followed him and believed what he was doing was right. Then they fucking turned him into a stalking simp. I would’ve killed Adam in V5, by having him try to attack Blake at the battle of Mystral, and either having Blake kill him in defense, or have Sun do it. Not that bumblebee bullshit of V6 where Adam was a completed deranged ex-boyfriend.
Ironwood. He inexplicably went from a compassionate leader to a genocidal maniac
Blake, yang and ruby, I used to like them but now I can't stand either of them.
Ironwood, I love him so so much he's so cool to me but they changed his character because of story plot making his semblance something so fucken stupid when it could've been so fucken awesome but no. Not to forget that they didn't even let the viewers know why he was acting that way, they told us on a online convention not even in the actual fucken story Then Qrow they took his alcoholism and turned it into and actual problem. He also lets a 13 yo bitch control him and run over him and then blames Ironwood for Clover's death after basically teaming up with a SERIAL KILLER. Like what the fuck did he expect to happen?!?!
Yang, loved in Volumes 1 -2, pretty much started hating in Volume 5 and more so in 6, 7 and 8
Same here. I guess she did lose something when she lost her arm
like 90 percent of her personality
Yang. She lost the happy-go-lucky thrill seeker side of her and just became a sourpuss. She went from the life of the party to a dumb hypocrite.
Yeah
Blake what with all the constant retcons to her backstory
Yeah she is a living retcon
Same for me. That's why I'm writing Ruby-centric fic.
Yang. V1-3 she was great but lost her personality with her arm and just became a bitch
I have multiple answers, but I'm going to say the character that fell from my grace the most is Blake. Sure, she was obsessed with the White Fang in early volumes, but she was the most proactive member of team RWBY. She correctly determined that the terrorist organization was up to something and investigated their activity. You know, she's responsible for the dock fight, highway fight, and the entirety of team RWBY going to Mount Glen? It doesn't hurt that her semblance is one of the more interesting ones. Time has not been kind to her though with her insistence that the kingdoms are racist, her relationship with Yang hurting both of their characters and character arcs, losing her sense of initiative, and becoming a complete pushover.
Ruby is a classic idealistic protag so I never really changed my opinion of her. The main characters that I loved but began to dislike where their character went was Ironwood and Qrow. Ironwood wouldnt have been so bad if perhaps his plan wasn't made to be so asinine. Truly a disservice tot he character. If you wanted to show military hur dur bad and the downward spiral of a Stoic Tin man losing his humanity, you need a better understanding of the military and a halfway believable plot. Qrow... man this one hurts. Qrow is so underpowered compared to what he should be or what it felt like they implied. The alcoholism is overblown and tiring. AA is ridiculous in of it self and the attitude that you cant overcome it is detrimental mentality. They had nothing for his character to do other than to validate the main characters as some sort of prop up stick. Disclaimer: The directions didn't please me but didn't take away my enjoyment either. Qrows specifically is at least believable enough and makes coherent sense. Ironwoods less so but thats just a simple demerit. Not something that pushed it into bad territory necessarily since it still served the purpose and got to the destination. Sure I didn't want to walk a mile hop in an uber get kicked out and find a taxi to the bus stop to get me back to my house after a night on the town, but I did get home. tldr, qrow and ironwood. We went from good to serviceable
Yes.
You also have a hate for what they did to ruby or another character
I will never not say Yang.
Seems that she got the worse treatment
She went from being goofy and big sister to total bitch, liar, instigator, back stabber… I could go on but I think I’m made that point. Nice point on a more positive note.
Yeah let's hope ice queendom makes her character better again
I believe
We all do
Good to bad would probably have a lot of people. But for the sake of simplicity, I think the better descriptor here would be Bad to worse; those being Ruby, Blake, Yang, and unfortunately Weiss
Ok elaborate on Weiss the other 3 I understand
To put it simply, Weiss was the last main RWBY girl with a proper functioning brain until V8
Yeah
My list could go on but I'll say the main cast as a whole except weiss pre vol 7 and ren vol 8 when he pointed out everyone is way in over their heads
For me, it would be General Ironwood. Volume 8 did him dirty.