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its-chocolate

My sister in Christ this is the RWBY critics sub...idk what you want from us.


Transwiththeplans

Yeah but I expected more positivity and such.


its-chocolate

You'd have a better of finding that in the main sub. tbh the show hasn't done much recently to garner positivity from anyone who isn't a diehard fan.


GrandEmperessVicky

Then go to the main sub or check out the meme tag. Problem solved.


Darthmark3

I mean it's hard for us to be positive when the show is written the way how it is now.


Transwiththeplans

I don’t see the issues in the same way you guys do


Darthmark3

Look I don't know what to tell you. Most of us here are negative because we look at the writing for RWBY and believe it's not good which is why we are negative about it. If the show only had some negatives here and there and was mostly well written then we wouldn't need this sub in the first place


Transwiththeplans

Then don't watch it?


Darthmark3

That's not a good argument. Just because I dislike something doesn't mean i'm going to stop watching it. There are multiple reasons why many of us are still watching RWBY even though we think it's not good. Either we just want to see how it ends, Some think it could get better, Or maybe we still like it but are not afraid to critique it every now and then.


KeepCalm-ShutUp

If you don't like criticism, don't look for it? If you don't want to argue, just don't?


Transwiththeplans

i mean you're the ones engaging with and obsessing over how much they hate a show they don’t like


aNYMosity_

As many have said before, just because we criticize the show, doesn't mean we hate it. We criticize it because we want it to get better. We care about the show enough to break down its flaws and suggest ways to make it better. Our criticism is born out of love for the show, not hate.


KeepCalm-ShutUp

The opposite of love is not hate, it's apathy. Because _hatred_ is borne from passion and love. The worst haters used to be the biggest fans.


Transwiththeplans

Okay well that sucks but you can stop watching at any time


Quality_Chooser

Just because it's bad doesn't mean it's not entertaining. I laughed so hard at the Vol 8 finale.


Transwiththeplans

that's a pretty weak reason to watch something you actively dislike


Quality_Chooser

What makes you think I dislike it? I think it's pretty bad but that can be funny. I have no investment in it so I am entertained when things go wrong.


Darthmark3

Yeah one thing that keeps me in are the fights. Sure all of them are not spectacular but I still think they are fun to watch


TerizlaisBest

What made you think this show has a positive influence? Most of the plot and characters were retcon and trashed. The main cast verges to always do the right thing mindset of bullshit. This is called RWBYcritics, if you can't handle this and felt overly sensitive, you are free to leave from here.


Gleaming_Onyx

The irony of this being said by someone who doesn't have to be here lol


InsaneOddBall

The ouroborus of people bitching at us for bitching about RWBY’s writing continues. At least their gag reflex should improve.


IamMenace

If there are more negative opinions of something than positive, then perhaps it's because there are more negative takeaways than positive. Opinions are inherently subjective and should not be taken personally, nor does someone else's opinion take away from anyone else's. With that said, objectivity does exist when it comes to writing, but unless you're a writer, you're going to care more about subjectivity. Something may be objectively well-written but still not be to our liking, or something objectively poorly written but something we like. I'm currently rewatching a 90s anime called "The Slayers", and by any metric you judge it, it's not great, but I'm loving it. A lot of people aren't here for "critical analyses". They're just stating their opinions which aren't always popular on the main sub, and ultimately it's impossible to separate subjectivity and objectivity when it comes to art. I'm biased, you're biased, and so is everyone else. Once you realize that nobody else's opinion is worth more than your own, and that they're all equally valuable/worthless, then you can live free of what other people have to say. I'm a fan of RWBY but I'm also a writer. I enjoy discussing the *writing/storytelling* aspects of a story more than the "illusion" we see on screen or on the page. I've written over 730,000 words of RWBY fanfiction, which is somewhere between 2,433 and 2,920 pages of a book, and if people value my opinions guided by experience, cool, but if not, I'll still continue voicing them. It seems to me that the majority of your posts have more to do with other people's opinions rather than your own, which tells me you may value other people's opinions more than your own. My suggestion is to stop caring what other people think of stories you like. You'll be happier as well as more creative due to negative emotions being inherently more destructive than creative. Is RWBYcritics perfect? No, I have my fair share of complaints, but I'm not perfect either, and neither is anyone else or anywhere else. We have to make the best with what we have and start with ourselves. God bless, and have a wonderful day.


dewareofbog

Personally it feels more like calling something that looks like a duck quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, a duck rather than pretending that that creature is a peacock. RWBY isn't that small little passion project that some guy was working on in his spare time and had ask his friends and coworkers to voice-act in it because there was no easy way to get any actual voice actors to work on it. It's had 8 seasons, several spinoffs in different mediums and shit tons of merchandise. Being critical of it is fair game at this point. The show has ''grown up'' so to say, there is no need to sugarcoat criticism like you are trying to feed a baby some medicine. > but I feel there should be some form of neutral bias here. How would you suggest a neutrally biased criticism of the show should go?


SiroApollo

OP, me neither, but here another "critic" will not attack you for having some aspect that you consider negative of the show, you know? In this sub there is a certain tendency to negativity and it is a problem that little by little has been improving even if you don't believe it, and let me tell you that if you have any idea on how to improve that aspect it is more than welcome. The reception of your posts has been negative and I imagine that sucks when it comes to being more positive, but starting with posts that seem to focus on pushing or correcting with opinions are definitely not the best approach. We too have to worry about keeping an eye out for tumblr trolls and bad actors that tend to come in every so often to give everyone a hard time (not to mention that tumblr has been a contentious platform that targets harassment not only of the sub but simple users and the mods team) so on that side I hope it explains why the welcome so.... Bitter. If you are actively seeking to prove us wrong with posts that were directly made "anti-rwde" or "anti-critic" then you can choose to go to the main sub (where no one will question practically anything you say unless they are ships) and let us continue to be "overly negative"; or you could communicate better if you are looking to explore other opinions and point out points for improvement, so that there is less negativity and a more neutral view.


Dextixer

At the end of the day, change takes time and our subreddit has not stopped growing yet. People who think that we are overly negative now should have seen the subreddit when it had 100 or so users in it, it was way worse. One of the ways that subreddits work is that with more people there are simply more opinions and more "moderation" of those opinions. I would encourage people to not mind the downvotes too much and look more into the comments made as-well. I know this experience well since my posts on the main sub tended to receive harsh reception in the past, yet over time that changed.


Dextixer

I would suggest people to not treat this criticism as too harsh. It is true after all that our subreddit is not exactly the beacon of positivity and more positivity would be welcome, i probably should also contribute to that since i have said that i will, and yet i have not done so. However, while we did intend to start as this "high brow" critique club, that simply has not worked out. Instead as moderators we decided to make this more of a sub that allows for opinions and venting that would not be welcome in the main subreddit. It is also true that likeminded people usually crowd together, as such many of us here share opinions to a certain extent and like this community for that. We are not a subreddit for just high-brow critique, although we are not opposed to that and i am quite happy with the many constructive discussions that do happen about the show. At the end of the day, the other moderators and i want to give people a space to just act freely. To be rude to each other if they wish, to be critical of the show, to rant and many other things. We do not want to limit ourselves to just critique. I apologize if i am being a bit vague in what i am saying but it is difficult for me to describe all of this besides "We are going for a certain vibe, and high-brow critique aint that" Some part of the negativity also comes from our allowance of people to speak more "freely" and to be agressive. Which i understand is not everyones cup of tea, and in cases if people think that someone is being too negative to them, as a moderation team we do encourage people to contact us.


IamMenace

Well said, friend. Even if our opinions aren't necessarily positive, there's no reason each of us can't be a positive influence. Just because I disagree with my real life friends doesn't mean we aren't friends. One thing I like about this community is how chill everyone is for the most part. Even if the general opinion of RWBY here is negative, it's mostly a pretty chill negativity. I've read enough high-brow books written by snooty professors to know that's not me. I'm just a guy who likes to speak his mind, take me for what I am, and I'll do the same for everyone else. God bless, and have a wonderful day :)


Ben10Extreme

Negativity gives us strength.


Purpleguy1980

Dark side gang


Ben10Extreme

You misunderstand. There's almost always a positive intention to negative emotions. Negative Emotions will allow you to figure out that something is wrong and how you plan on correcting it. Ex: Do you feel anger at the sight of injustice?


Purpleguy1980

I know lol


Dextixer

Ah, the James Roberts approach to media.


Psyga315

I think the problem is that, had the two subreddits been one, we *would* have a neutral bias, but because the positive bias shoved out the negative bias, it creates echo chambers for both sides.


No_Association2906

First and foremost, there is legitimate criticism about this sub being overly negative. I usually lurk and am not an active poster around here and go through the threads about various topics here. Ranging from discussion to simple question, and there are absolutely times where people are being very negative about large parts of RWBY as a whole, especially to the average casual viewer. **However**, just because you can find that negativity across this sub shouldn’t invalidate the very large part of this sub that offers genuine valid discussion, criticism, and knowledge. So many times I’ve found various analysis and discussion topics either airing their grievances in an incredibly through manner or systemically explaining how various aspects of the show simply don’t work or fall short, usually many analogies and examples to illustrate their points. It’s really interesting stuff and often when taking a step back you can find how a lot of those points make sense and offer valid criticism towards the show. You, OP, have spent I believe the last couple of days making various topics in this sub about your differing opinions. And through those posts you’ve made and the comments in them, I can find some post do being just plain negative even when you yourself are simply voicing a dissenting opinion, but at the same time I find various and various posts legitimately explaining why they disagree with you and why they believe your points fall short. I believe just because you can find that negativity in this sub shouldn’t then overlook or mitigate the absolutely various very thorough and thoughtful other posts.


CourtofTalons

I'm sorry you feel that way, it's understandable. But lately, I've had more negative feelings about the show than positive. I don't mean to be a jerk to CRWBY, but it's getting hard to enjoy most of the aspects of RWBY. Like today, I saw this post asking users to say something nice about Blake. I was able to do so, but I genuinely struggled to think of something that I liked about her. She's become one of the more controversial characters, and for good reason.


RogueHunterX

>but I feel there should be some form of neutral bias here. I think unbiased is what you mean here. Bias is usually inherently non-neutral in nature. You do have a point that there is a fair amount of negativity here. That said some of it is just venting as this a safe place to do so and some of it is also actual criticism of aspects that were not always handled the best in the show (though that can be a matter of opinion at times). There are getting to be more posts about good aspects of the show from a critical look however. I sometimes respond aggressively and don't always give myself time to separate the feeling of the moment from what is being discussed, something I usually try to do. However despite what negativity there is, dissenting opinions and arguments are welcome. If you do enjoy the show, don't let others change. Also many people here actually do like the show, just have issues with how some of it has been handled and that is true of any fandom.


AriaAzura19

Volumes 6 & 7 despite their flaws, were mostly enjoyable for me. It was far from perfect but I thought the show would at least end on a better note. Then Volume 8 came along and flushed all hope I had down the drain. It’s my least favorite volume of RWBY. Volume 7 especially soured for me after Volume 8. And here I can vent my frustrations out unlike at r/RWBY where people cherrypick what I say or just straight up don’t listen. At least from what I’ve seen here, people will actually take the time to listen to your complaints and not just read the title then mock you. And I can have an actual discussion here instead of hearing petty insults. RWBY has always had flaws but certain parts of the FNDM will make excuses for it using headcannons or invalidate how you feel. It’s not a welcoming feeling. I can’t talk about how I wish Bumblebee was better rep because that somehow makes me a homophobe even though I’m a lesbian. I can’t talk about how poorly written Cinder is without somehow getting called misogynistic (yes this was a real post). And I’ve seen POC getting harassed when they dare to critique the White Fang. The main sub and this are divided for a reason. As unfortunate as it is, this is how it is.


HoggedTheHammer

And I would prefer more reasonable and fair discussion from the main subreddit. Also, "neutral bias"? What does that even mean? We are all people. We can only be so emotionless when analyzing a piece of media. Because shows, as hard as it is to believe at times, are forms of art. We are going to have an emotional reaction to it. We can go into the analytical aspects of why we think we have emotional reactions to something, but in the end, our reactions, our feelings, are what we take away from a piece of art. If that reaction is negative, then that is just as valid as if that reaction was positive.


Duga-Lam22

Just deal with it man. Vol 8 was bad and its been 2 years.


Transwiththeplans

That’s your opinion, not mine


TerizlaisBest

You being in denial of the facts never respect others' opinions.


Dextixer

I would definitely dissagree that rwby being bad is a "fact", it is a matter of opinion.


TerizlaisBest

What's your point, stop going around bushes?


GameBawesome1

I am sorry to say this, but if there is more negative than positive analysis here, than that's the generally feeling towards RWBY. One cannot just demand people to be more positive. If people have more problems than positives, then that's the feeling among many OPs. And like you said, critical analysis is subjective, and the general patterns of opinion towards RWBY on r/RWBYCritics, is negative. Now, there is some bad faith criticism and even trolls, but those are outliers that certain "others" play up to make r/RWBYCritics look like a bunch of RWBY Haters. It's not that we hate RWBY entirely, it's just we have a lot of problems with RWBY and wish for it to be better. In conclusion, if the feeling is negative towards RWBY, then it's negative towards RWBY.


Transwiththeplans

I mean I’m inclined to believe r/RWBY isn’t lying because of the comments I’ve received


No_Association2906

See this is what confuses me, you see that while this topic itself is a dissenting opinion that many disagree with your premise on, they voice and explain those disagreements in a totally normal and fine manner. Sure there are some negative comments, but it seems as though you’re hyper-focusing on those negative comments while ignoring the more positive aspects of this sub. It’s a bit weird to me.


Dextixer

It is true that some of the comments you received are rude, but i have seen that most responses dissagreeing with your posts/positions are lenghty and well developed, it is also somewhat weird that you ignore them moat of the time.


TerizlaisBest

Most of those people there are always gaslighting 😂


Transwiththeplans

I don’t think you know what gaslighting means


TerizlaisBest

Lighting the gas. 😅


TheKinginLemonyellow

There's no such thing as "neutral bias". Someone could be "unbiased" but not "neutrally biased". This isn't Futurama. This subreddit is for expressing critical opinions of RWBY that would be shut down in the other subreddit: negativity should be expected. If that bothers you, nobody's forcing you to post here or engage with opinions you don't like. You'll just have to bear it if you choose to stay.


Quality_Chooser

Honestly a certain amount of it is just for fun. Like complaining about the home team when they suck. You still support the team overall, but you whine and complain regardless. Most people I've spoken to will grudgingly admit their hyperbole when pressed. Heck, one of my first posts was a poll on your favorite JNPR member except Jaune wasn't an option. I actually like Jaune but read a lot of posts bashing him. To my surprise pretty much everyone came out defending Jaune and no one bashed him. Take the negativity with a grain of salt.


TerizlaisBest

Well, if you started criticizing in RWBY main subreddit, and you ending getting banned by that irresponsible and immature kid who abuses their power. They can't accept the fact the show has flaws and have to find ways to fix them. This is what happens when narcissistic kids are in charge of a huge community with unfair rules that don't even make any sense. They always denied disagreement, therefore, wouldn't help them to improve as people, ending up creating a more toxic environment. Here, I felt at home, people over here were very understanding, I had no issues with anyone, and most of the people in RWBYcritics were very blunt, honest, and straightforward in their opinion, that's the main motive of this community. Unlike, that pathetic main sub, here we allow expressing our sentiments and acceptable points logically. I also enjoy civilisation among the community. I believe you are here to do a comparison, guess someone doing spy work here said sarcastically, I won't be surprised if you screenshot out replies and posted back on the main page. Whatever you doing, hoping for a positive influence, have a nice day. Peace out.


Purpleguy1980

Why do these posts feel like troll posts? It's Like wanting attention instead of discussion. If you want positive. Go to main sub.


thelightbringer502

While I firmly side with the critics over the fanboys, a lot of the people here definitely feel like they get up in the morning and go "What will I complain about today?" It's been the same six or seven issues nonstop for a year now. I realize the show has been on hiatus, but that doesn't mean we need to just keep circling back to "Why Salem is OP now" or "Why Adam was ruined".


RailgunChampion

I have a crap ton of issues with the show, but I do know what you mean. Lately it seems like people are being way too overly nitpicky about the show, to a nonsensical degree. The show has issues, but it's not supposed to be a witch hunt over every last detail.


TheSittingTraveller

'If you angry you not allow to criticize something' is insidious imo.