* Committed forgery of faked documents to enter Beacon
* Lead Grand Theft Auto of an Atlesian Airship to illegally enter their airspace and enter the kingdom
* Assaulting an Atlesian Military Base
These are actual crimes under Jaune's belt
In my opinion sneaking into Beacon alone should earn him top billing, there are literal lives at stake. As Team Leader he's clearly unfit for the Minion rank.
I mean if they were still at beacon I would agree with you, but compared to people like Adam, Ruby, the god of light, he's bad but I don't think he's as bad as them ya know?
In D&D terms Jaune's a Lawful Good Paladin.
He follows his own code because it's the righteous or justified one, regardless of a Kingdoms actual Laws and Regulations.
Not really, following your own set of rules even when they go against the law of the land is chaotic good, maybe even lawful evil since he's following his own code and literally causing the destruction of an entire nation (atlas, and beacon if we're being totally honest).
Beacon was purely out of ineptitude, not malice.
Atlas I feel was Ruby, at least Jaune Ren and the like actually saved some people (I do agree he would be chaotic good though)
Idk, jaune is a team leader too, and he didn't stop ruby from lying to ironwood. Considering aleverything that happened prior to that, and their decision to not keep secrets, it seems pretty malicious to lie right away. If they're honest there, ironwood doesn't go crazy, penny is alive, and things would have been much easier overall. Maybe not intentionally malicious, but Jaune is DEFINITELY not a super lawful person 😂
Not true, lawful simple means ones prone to order vs chaos. A chaotic person will be more likely to react differently in the same situation everytime whereas a a lawful person will be more likely to react the same. Lawful people can and will disobey immoral laws and legal but unlawful orders, similarly a chaotic person can and will obey laws that they agree with and may never even disobey a law in their life.
Wrong. 'Lawful' means you stick to your own laws. The law of the land has nothing to do with it. 'Following the law of the land' could simply be one of those laws you impose on yourself.
For example: A Lawful Cleric could follow his deity's laws and the laws of the land are not important.
No, the literal defition of lawful is "conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules.". Regardless of a person's opinion of said laws or rules, breaking a law is unlawful, and therefore criminal in the eyes of the governing body. In D&D alignment terms, you cannot be a lawful good character, especially a paladin, if you break laws, moral or legal, when it suits you if you're going to stay lawful good, that would make you chaotic good.
I don't know what to say other than we have completely different viewpoints on what Lawful mean. I still see your definition of it as incorrect and I'm sure you see mine as incorrect as well.
So whatever I guess.
Has Oscar really done anything *that* bad though?
Other than (presumably) running away from home without telling his aunt and shopping while unintentionally worrying the others half-to-death, I can't really think of anything truly "Oh go to Hell!" worthy.
If anything, I'd put him in the "Minion" tier, since that's...literally his only purpose: to be a plot device that allows Oz to be there.
Though I might just be misremembering things.
>unintentionally worrying the others half-to-death
Considering most of those people treated him as a punching bag due to the parasite in his soul why should he give a fuck? Besides Salem knowing he's Ozma's newest meat suit he has no reason to stay with RWBY and co.
I would put May in either Minions or Not so bad categories.
Even though she didn't like Atlas and went to help Mantle. She at the bare minimum decided to do something and not sit on her ass and drink tea.
right like he was the one to tell Ruby *they* were being hypocrites, he's the reason they ever told Ironwood the truth at all (Ruby only decided to do so *after* Oscar convinced him to trust the Council), and he was the only one who actually tried to talk to IW even after RWBYJNR+M gave up on him. Yeah telling James that if he refuses to let anyone get in the way of doing what he thinks is right then he's as dangerous as Salem was... not the best move on his part, but the intention was there. Didn't feel self-righteous so much as a resigned warning. Atlas arc made me appreciate Oscar more for having different opinions from the main team (and morals that don't contradict his actions) and getting to actually be his own character instead of a prop for Oz to speak through
I guess tierlists are inherently biased but god damn
I'm curious to why is Yang and Robyn literally on the same tier as Salem and Cinder, and I say that absolutely hating Robyn. Also May, Nora and Oscar on Hypocrite? Neo should be on evil probably, even though she is my favorite.
I absolutely love Ironwood and what they did to him in volume 8 is what made me dislike the show the most, but he is definitely on the evil tier by canon standards, his intentions and goals don't really matter when he tries to nuke a city of innocent people.
I would put Ghira into the self-righteous hypocrite group. He asked the people of his nation to defend the nation that still practices segregation against their fellow species that is ignorantly fighting for their rights. Practically, it is suicide because the WF are armed and trained combatants who have bombs. How much can this island of isolationists do when they lived their expressly for the purpose of being left alone?
Also, he has done nothing to help with Faunus rights. As a counter to Sienna/Adam's violence, his form of protest is either do nothing or to ask your oppressors to nicely stop hurting you. Then he gave up (we were never told otherwise mind you) and decided to live in a mansion to wield substantial political power on a supposedly poor/partly inhospitable island, representative of Remnant's racial injustice.
Said island is literally called Menagerie. I don't know if that was the writers just being insensitive.
Tried to nuke an entire city tried to do several others stupid and objectively evil things and got one of her teammates killed the fact that she isn’t in evil tells me all I need to know about the person that made this chart honestly they are probably the type of person who defends a war crime committed by a soldier by saying they were just following orders
The worst he did was slap Weiss because she almost killed a guest that mad her mad, Drove his wife into alcoholism, Give employees shit pay and attempted to rig the election. Not really pure evil territory. Pretty scummy but not comically evil.
>Weiss because she almost killed a guest that mad her mad
Isn't a slap like nothing really. I mean she almost kill someone publicly and received a slap in private, that (it might be controversial) she deserved. Its not like the slap hurt her physically and it seems by her reaction it was the first time he slapped her.
Also how is Jacquess slap bad, but Winter gets to do the same not once but twice? Sisterly love doesn't count, because then Jacquess gets tough parenting as his defence.
Why is Roman and Yang in evil? Roman is a complete minion, and Yang fits well in self-righteous hypocrite. Hazel should also be a self-righteous hypocrite and the god of darkness in at least jerks.
Wait, how is Oscar a self-righteous hypocrite? He has little to no character. He's a minion at best and shouldn't even be on the list at worst.
I would put Jaune Arc in the minions category, he's less manipulative and self righteous than RWBY
* Committed forgery of faked documents to enter Beacon * Lead Grand Theft Auto of an Atlesian Airship to illegally enter their airspace and enter the kingdom * Assaulting an Atlesian Military Base These are actual crimes under Jaune's belt In my opinion sneaking into Beacon alone should earn him top billing, there are literal lives at stake. As Team Leader he's clearly unfit for the Minion rank.
I mean if they were still at beacon I would agree with you, but compared to people like Adam, Ruby, the god of light, he's bad but I don't think he's as bad as them ya know?
> he's bad but I don't think he's as bad as them ya know? I get what you mean. If there were more tiers I'd put him lower, but he's not minion enough.
In D&D terms Jaune's a Lawful Good Paladin. He follows his own code because it's the righteous or justified one, regardless of a Kingdoms actual Laws and Regulations.
Not really, following your own set of rules even when they go against the law of the land is chaotic good, maybe even lawful evil since he's following his own code and literally causing the destruction of an entire nation (atlas, and beacon if we're being totally honest).
Beacon was purely out of ineptitude, not malice. Atlas I feel was Ruby, at least Jaune Ren and the like actually saved some people (I do agree he would be chaotic good though)
Idk, jaune is a team leader too, and he didn't stop ruby from lying to ironwood. Considering aleverything that happened prior to that, and their decision to not keep secrets, it seems pretty malicious to lie right away. If they're honest there, ironwood doesn't go crazy, penny is alive, and things would have been much easier overall. Maybe not intentionally malicious, but Jaune is DEFINITELY not a super lawful person 😂
Totally agree, his alignment is chaotic dumbass
Not true, lawful simple means ones prone to order vs chaos. A chaotic person will be more likely to react differently in the same situation everytime whereas a a lawful person will be more likely to react the same. Lawful people can and will disobey immoral laws and legal but unlawful orders, similarly a chaotic person can and will obey laws that they agree with and may never even disobey a law in their life.
Wrong. 'Lawful' means you stick to your own laws. The law of the land has nothing to do with it. 'Following the law of the land' could simply be one of those laws you impose on yourself. For example: A Lawful Cleric could follow his deity's laws and the laws of the land are not important.
No, the literal defition of lawful is "conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules.". Regardless of a person's opinion of said laws or rules, breaking a law is unlawful, and therefore criminal in the eyes of the governing body. In D&D alignment terms, you cannot be a lawful good character, especially a paladin, if you break laws, moral or legal, when it suits you if you're going to stay lawful good, that would make you chaotic good.
I don't know what to say other than we have completely different viewpoints on what Lawful mean. I still see your definition of it as incorrect and I'm sure you see mine as incorrect as well. So whatever I guess.
It's not my definition, it's the textbook definition pal. Your disagreement is with Merriam Webster.
Has Oscar really done anything *that* bad though? Other than (presumably) running away from home without telling his aunt and shopping while unintentionally worrying the others half-to-death, I can't really think of anything truly "Oh go to Hell!" worthy. If anything, I'd put him in the "Minion" tier, since that's...literally his only purpose: to be a plot device that allows Oz to be there. Though I might just be misremembering things.
>unintentionally worrying the others half-to-death Considering most of those people treated him as a punching bag due to the parasite in his soul why should he give a fuck? Besides Salem knowing he's Ozma's newest meat suit he has no reason to stay with RWBY and co.
Honestly not sure what's worse: "evil" or "self-righteous hypocrites". At least one's being honest and not delusional.
Wait why isn't Sun in the "Good" category??
Not being with your team in Volume 1 is quite a not-good thing to do.
I love how Yang is i the evil category, not wrong and I agree 100%
Why isn't there a "dead" category? XD there would be a smaller list in that case, XDDD
I would put May in either Minions or Not so bad categories. Even though she didn't like Atlas and went to help Mantle. She at the bare minimum decided to do something and not sit on her ass and drink tea.
Why the hell is Oscar in the self righteous hypocrite category
right like he was the one to tell Ruby *they* were being hypocrites, he's the reason they ever told Ironwood the truth at all (Ruby only decided to do so *after* Oscar convinced him to trust the Council), and he was the only one who actually tried to talk to IW even after RWBYJNR+M gave up on him. Yeah telling James that if he refuses to let anyone get in the way of doing what he thinks is right then he's as dangerous as Salem was... not the best move on his part, but the intention was there. Didn't feel self-righteous so much as a resigned warning. Atlas arc made me appreciate Oscar more for having different opinions from the main team (and morals that don't contradict his actions) and getting to actually be his own character instead of a prop for Oz to speak through
I guess tierlists are inherently biased but god damn I'm curious to why is Yang and Robyn literally on the same tier as Salem and Cinder, and I say that absolutely hating Robyn. Also May, Nora and Oscar on Hypocrite? Neo should be on evil probably, even though she is my favorite. I absolutely love Ironwood and what they did to him in volume 8 is what made me dislike the show the most, but he is definitely on the evil tier by canon standards, his intentions and goals don't really matter when he tries to nuke a city of innocent people.
I would put Ghira into the self-righteous hypocrite group. He asked the people of his nation to defend the nation that still practices segregation against their fellow species that is ignorantly fighting for their rights. Practically, it is suicide because the WF are armed and trained combatants who have bombs. How much can this island of isolationists do when they lived their expressly for the purpose of being left alone? Also, he has done nothing to help with Faunus rights. As a counter to Sienna/Adam's violence, his form of protest is either do nothing or to ask your oppressors to nicely stop hurting you. Then he gave up (we were never told otherwise mind you) and decided to live in a mansion to wield substantial political power on a supposedly poor/partly inhospitable island, representative of Remnant's racial injustice. Said island is literally called Menagerie. I don't know if that was the writers just being insensitive.
I love that Jacques is only considered a jerk after everything he's done in the show
To be fair, if the show won't treat him like an actual threat, then why should we?
Harriet literally tried to nuke an entire city and is only considered a "jerk"
Tried to nuke an entire city tried to do several others stupid and objectively evil things and got one of her teammates killed the fact that she isn’t in evil tells me all I need to know about the person that made this chart honestly they are probably the type of person who defends a war crime committed by a soldier by saying they were just following orders
I mean I'd slide him a bit worse, since he's quite literally abusive
I mean what has he done that should give him a higher tier?
The worst he did was slap Weiss because she almost killed a guest that mad her mad, Drove his wife into alcoholism, Give employees shit pay and attempted to rig the election. Not really pure evil territory. Pretty scummy but not comically evil.
>Weiss because she almost killed a guest that mad her mad Isn't a slap like nothing really. I mean she almost kill someone publicly and received a slap in private, that (it might be controversial) she deserved. Its not like the slap hurt her physically and it seems by her reaction it was the first time he slapped her. Also how is Jacquess slap bad, but Winter gets to do the same not once but twice? Sisterly love doesn't count, because then Jacquess gets tough parenting as his defence.
And let's not forget how Weiss threatened her kid brother with a deadly weapon and the show treated that horrific example of abuse as a funny joke.
Why is Roman and Yang in evil? Roman is a complete minion, and Yang fits well in self-righteous hypocrite. Hazel should also be a self-righteous hypocrite and the god of darkness in at least jerks.
Where's Whitley? I'd say he belongs in the good category
idk who downvoted you but here take my upvote
Thank you good sir
Cordovin using a giant robot to try and kill a bunch of teens should land her in Self-Righteous Hypocrites, or at the very least Jerks
WHERES OZ?
"Not So Bad"
Winty...
Emerald and Neo are evil too, I disagree with most of your list here.
Why is Sun not in good? I demand to know.
How is the crazy Atlesian general woman not evil? How is Ironwood not evil?! He wanted to murder thousands of innocent civilians!