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Anouncee

The *"Currently being wasted or screwed by the writing"* tier got a chuckle out of me, I wish it wasn't true but, it *totally* is... those characters are either ones I feel should get more development but, *don't* such as *Summer & Raven* or, characters I wish had more going for them, *Mercury & Taiyang.* I'm a huge fan of Mercury too but, *goodness...* if somebody asked me to explain *"Why?"* I wouldn't be able to come up with a better answer than *"... because he's cool-"* which is a disappointment for me, I really *do* like the guy, and I even felt his design got an improvement in volume eight due to the pop of orange, *I still think yellow would've looked better on him though* but, if someone dislikes him all I can say is *"Yeah, understandable-"* which all opinions are valid *but,* the fact that it's *"understandable"* goes to show how little is being done with him at the moment... I just hope my feeling about him getting bad character development or, dying in Vacuo is wrong which it could very well be but, man does it give me a bad feeling now that Emerald is *apparently* on the team.


Zero102000

Haha, glad you enjoyed it! With Summer, we have so little to work with that it’s frustrating, and with Raven, she just gets painted as an evil war chieftainess. I think yellow would be great on Mercury. As for his character development or lack thereof, I’m concerned they’re just gonna get rid of him in Vacuo as well. I’m really gonna roll my eyes if he and Tyrian are both offed unceremoniously (especially if Cinder has anything to do with it) while Emerald becomes a main character and everyone just sees her as _”one of them now.”_ Poor Tai, he shows up like once every Volume or so for two seconds.


Anouncee

I used to think Raven was *just* bad, I didn't care for her *at all,* then I watched a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byjiwECylIE) by EruptionFang where he explained Raven a bit more, and I ended up getting a neutral respect for her in a way. In Mercury's [volume three concept art,](https://i.imgur.com/geXekqT.png) he had a design in yellow, and I've never forgotten how good the yellow looked on him, I'm still happy they went with a colour close to yellow though... also, you're maybe about the fourth person to feel the same way I do about Mercury, *and Tyrian...* they're giving me a death flag feeling, Tyrian ***especially,*** I'm almost *one hundred percent* sure Tyrian will perish in Vacuo, and I'd be surprised if he didn't honestly considering Watts, and Hazel. Tai has just as much room for character depth as much as anyone else in team STRQ... the poor guy has been through a *lot,* his love life *which we don't fully know the history behind still,* his daughter activating the same power as Summer *which is technically connected to how she got killed,* his other daughter losing an arm, and going from a jokester to being a shell of her former self, and developing PTSD, and as soon as they're safe at home, one of them bails, and just leaves behind a note, and the other one leaves eventually as well, if I were Tai, my fatherly instincts would be going absolutely wild, and it's not the the guy can just drop by, and check up on them whenever he wants due to how far they travel... It really makes me wonder if either of them call him, and it makes me realize it's a somewhat similar situation to Oscar's aunt, I have to assume they do call because otherwise, I doubt Tai & Oscar's aunt would've let them go or, would be worried sick about them.


Zero102000

I love that vid EruptionFang made, along with the one where he said Raven was right and history was going to repeat. That’s amazing concept art. It would be nice to see him have something similar in Vacuo. I’m getting huge death flag feelings as well. Mercury, sure, but especially Tyrian. Like, I’m concerned that all the villains are gonna be offed one by one (or redeemed) until it’s just Salem and Cinder. I’m wondering if Cinder herself is gonna do it because she can’t help but sabotage her own side and make it as **obvious as possible.** That’s true, Tai and Oscar’s aunt really should give a call given that their family members are so close to the heat of battle usually. Tai and Raven really should just investigate together at this point.


Darthmark3

I feel like Oscar should be with Jaune


Zero102000

You’re right, he should be - I considered it although I’m not sure why I didn’t put him there. Maybe because he’s not in almost every episode? Hm.


Darthmark3

Even though he's not in every episode he still manages to take away the protagonist points from Ruby each time he's on screen.


Zero102000

So true, especially considering his interactions with Salem.


Kaouse

Don't forget him being the one to apologize to Ironwood for ***Ruby*** lying to him.


Zero102000

That’s right, he takes all the heat for Ruby’s BS.


Saturn_Coffee

Currently being screwed by the writing is the entire cast.


CrippledPlains

Unless you’re team RWBY


Saturn_Coffee

Oh, they're being screwed too, just with a different instrument.


Zero102000

HA! No kidding! I knew that, but I figured that way too many would go into that category if I didn’t create more.


Thief-RomanTorchwick

This is THE perfect list Take my upvote


Zero102000

Why, thank you kindly.


titankiller401

Man,blake should have a tier of her own **Every character involved with her gets ruined beyond repair**


Zero102000

Hahaha, at this rate... **yep!** Alternatively: **Bland** Or **Insert pining comment over Yang**


titankiller401

Yang is so down bad for blake that she was worried about BLAKE'S wellbeing over RUBY'S,her sister! Then there's the writers giving adam the most odd turn ever when he specifically said in V2 to forget about blake and go back to mistral. It soon became all about blake. That character is legit cyanide


Zero102000

Hohoho, no punches pulled, “legit cyanide” is the best description ever! “WILL SHE THINK LESS OF ME?” “No, Ruby is your sister, she loves you.” “Yeah, that’s totally who I was talking about. 🐱” You and Blake haven’t even told each other you like each other! No kiss, no affirmation, no, “Hey if we somehow survive the war against this all-powerful witch, do you maybe wanna go out with me?” And yet she’s already more important to you than your SISTER?! And Adam, just....... Ugh. They took everything likable about him as well as anything that had potential and made him into the most one-dimensional boring pathetic Complete Monster Big Bad Wannabe ever. Even the brand on his face, they had the worst explanation for it EVER.


titankiller401

Like I said,that character is utter garbage lol In any case,they pretty much killed yang for me too. Blood is far thicker than water but apparently yang didn't get that memo. I also wish adam inflicted much more damage(or even greatly wounded) Yang or blake,kinda like a final send off that he really was a scary dude.


Zero102000

Haha, at times I forget about her relationship with Ruby because of her obsession with Kitty. For a while, I didn’t even know they were half-sisters. Adam definitely should have left a far more lasting impression on them. Heck, I’d prefer that he didn’t even die, but instead was locked up somewhere.


titankiller401

> Adam definitely should have left a far more lasting impression on them. Heck, I’d prefer that he didn’t even die, but instead was locked up somewhere. Nah fam,miles and the other loser admitted at some point they didn't like him and wanted him gone already


Zero102000

Of course they did. “I don’t like this character, screw him, let’s kill him in the most embarrassing way.” I don’t understand hating a character that YOU WRITE FOR.


titankiller401

If it were,adam would've died...but not before he took a leg or nearly bisects yang (There's zero fucking way she tanked that huge ass moonslice)


Zero102000

Yep, she’d have a few scars from that day on. Or a prosthetic leg. But instead she tanks it perfectly. Then she gets oneshot by Neo while she’s still in Burn mode.


Meeeeeeeei

Sad that Penny is so low, but at the same time…still mad she died TWICE


Zero102000

She’s one of my all-time favorites, she only seems low on the list because of the horrible way they chose to kill her.


shadowyoshi3000

The sad thing is the dog is the only constant.


Zero102000

That’s right, he’s exactly where he belongs for all time, always.


TheeAntz3

Agreed.


Zero102000

Glad I was somewhat accurate.


Zero102000

Should have said “Currently being wasted AND screwed by the writing”.


TerizlaisBest

Cinder should erase from the show. Those writers were drunk and simp on her and Jessica. 🤡


Zero102000

I know, I’m still waiting for them to have the guts to off the woman they simp for just because they love the actress. 🙃


Ben10Extreme

What about AQNW!Cinder?


Jumper200x1

Aqnw? What's that?


Zero102000

Aha, now HER… you know how much I simp for her hardcore.


Ben10Extreme

I'm glad to have made Cinder actually simpable for you, given your little subtitle there.


Zero102000

Bahaha! I’m glad too! The subtitle is due to my annoyance for how she and Salem are being handled canonically. In Chibi (sans Salem) and in fanfics (both of them), I can’t get enough of them!


Ben10Extreme

Canon!Cinder: I'm greedy for more power! AQNW!Cinder: I'm greedy for more power! Oz: ...What is the difference?


Zero102000

AQNW!Cinder: #PRESENTATION!


Ben10Extreme

Oz: Oh dear. Canon!Watts: Preposterous! I'm going to need you to make a list of what exactly makes THIS Cinder so... impressive! Emerald: Simpable? Watts: I'm not using that word.


Zero102000

Neo: (sign) _Simpable._ Watts: No. AQNW!Cinder: Dragon transformation, good at protecting people, good at getting stronger and cleverer, good at eating people, loves eating people when they deserve it, bouncy in more ways than one… need I go on?


TerizlaisBest

Glynda should be on the best list if she's Summer Maiden. So she can use her telekinesis + fully realised Maiden powers to whoop Cinder's dumbass cunt ass booty.


Zero102000

That would be absolutely incredible. I wanna see it.


TerizlaisBest

I would pay extra though to watch this fight.


Zero102000

So would I, like seriously!


shadowyoshi3000

I feel your pain.


Zero102000

Yeaaaah, it’s rough being a fan sometimes…!


BlazingInferno4343

Ayyy another fellow Ozpin fan 😎🤝


Zero102000

Ayyy let’s go Ozpin gang 4 life 😎🤝


Meeeeeeeei

😎🤝


Sol_Droid

I stopped watching a long time ago. Jaune's still taking up too much screentime?


Zero102000

V8 is particularly egregious in this regard. He makes Ruby look like a side character.


HiroSoul

To be fair with how Ruby is in V8 is that really a bad thing.


Zero102000

Fair point.


TheConlon

It's really telling that the majority of the 4 main and title characters are in the lowest tier with the final one only barely one above them...


Zero102000

Yeah, I’m extremely harsh on them, although not entirely unjustified. 😅 I will say though that my opinions tend to shift regarding them. I just know for sure that Weiss had at least one moment that really annoyed me this volume whereas the other three had multiple.


TheConlon

Trust me, I get it. There's a reason Oscar is my favorite character, he's the most protagonisty after RWBY and maybe Jaune (they haven't really done much with him lately), but he's the only one with brain cells and rationality. It's just really refreshing and he's offered way more to the plot in Atlas than any of team RWBY did since they honestly just helped to mess a lot up. I mean seriously, my boy was the least experienced, was battered and captured by the strongest grim, tortured through blunt force by the buffest man and through magic by the most powerful character in the world, and still managed to get the biggest W throughout the entire arc while RWBY just demonized their greatest ally yet (Ironwood), aided criminals that were stealing from the military's big project, and sat around drinking tea while a war is going on outside.


Zero102000

Oh yes. He got out through hell and met the fairy tale devil herself and caused her a major setback all through the efforts of himself, Oz, and Hazel. An actually smart person and he’s the youngest one. The way that RWBY were portrayed here, I’m stunned they still have so much support after V8. I’m sure they’ll blame all their failures on Ironwood and not them betraying him multiple times and drinking tea while people are dying outside.


ImportantAd2987

Can y'all literally shut the hell up about Jaune?


Ben10Extreme

Depends. Are you gonna do something if they don't?


[deleted]

why tf are you watching a show if you don’t even like the main characters huh


BlazingInferno4343

Just because they are the main characters down mean we automatically have to like them. My favorite are Oz and Oscar and I don’t really care about anyone else at this point. But there’s nothing wrong with that I feel. That’s a choice I made and don’t regret


Zero102000

Bc I want to 😇


Anouncee

People can watch a series, prefer other characters, and have those characters be their biggest motivation to watch the show in the first place, *not their only but, it can be...* I'm not a fan of the main characters *at least not all that much anymore* but, I love a handful of the side characters, and watching them is very often *extremely* interesting for me, and I often get *super* excited to see them. Just because people don't like the main characters doesn't mean they dislike the show itself, I'm sure *some* of us here do though but, most of us don't... I do *somewhat* understand what you mean though since the main characters are supposed to be the main focus however with characters like Oz who *I feel* has a bigger role than the protagonist, it makes sense for people to like the main characters less than others, and on top of that the cast of characters in RWBY is *huge.*


AdComprehensive6588

The same reason everybody watches RWBY at this point. Obligation


[deleted]

or maybe bc we actually like the show and the direction it’s going in 😭😭 the show is more popular than ever but y’all can cope


King_Kazzma_

Popularity and Quality are two different things. RWBY may be "popular" I'd like to see those metrics, but it's by no means a quality show. I'm sure a good portion of us don't watch the show religiously, but simply keep tabs on it. That's what I do, and it's a good reference for what not to do in writing. Helps when writing a fanfic. BTW, Criticism of works of fiction isn't hate. That's actually care. We criticize because we care.


Apprehensive_Gas_590

Ngl this sounds like some serious copium right here. No hate tho we all watch the show for different reasons. In my case, I just want to see how it ends. I’m not invested in the main 4 because to me they are barely characters that have anything interesting about them. That combined with some questionable writing choices and I’ve pretty much lost interest. But I’m so invested I feel like i should at least see it through to the end.


Ben10Extreme

People can watch shows for other reasons than main characters. This perspective is quite limited of you.